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Google's Other Ugly Secret: Some Managers Keep Blacklists (inc.com)

Last week a controversial internal memo written by a concerned Google employee was going viral within the company. The memo, titled "PC Considered Harmful" and since dubbed "the Google manifesto" on social media, argued two points: First, that Google has become an ideological echo chamber where anyone with centrist or right-of-center views fears to speak their mind. Second, that part of the tech industry's gender gap can be attributed to biological differences between men and women. The person who wrote the memo has since been fired, but the internal tussle has revealed one more thing. The Inc reports: The contentious internal discussion revived a concern dating back to 2015: An unknown number of Google managers maintain blacklists of fellow employees, evidently refusing to work with those people. The blacklists are based on personal experiences of others' behavior, including views expressed on politics, social justice issues, and Google's diversity efforts. Inc. reviewed screenshots documenting several managers attesting to this practice, both in the past and currently, explicitly using the term "blacklist." The screenshots were shared by a Google employee who requested anonymity due to having signed an NDA. In additional screenshots, one Google employee declared his intent to quit if Damore were not fired, and another said that he would refuse to work with Damore in any capacity. A Google spokesperson told Inc. that the practice of keeping blacklists is not condoned by upper management, and that Google employees who discriminate against members of protected classes will be terminated. It's not clear whether that principle applies in Damore's case. Although political affiliation is a protected class according to California labor law, the views expressed in the manifesto and echoed by others who oppose political correctness do not seem to merit legal protection.

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  1. Google is not a political club or Slashdot by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Informative

    Freedom of speech doesn't mean that your employer is obligated to give you a podium. In general, so that everyone can get along I'd rather not know that my co-worker is a bigot or a Trump supporter, etc.

    Had this fellow made his posting outside of his employment, things would have been different. But he chose to do it at work, and because of the way Google's merit system works (your co-workers grade you), he marked himself as someone who would not fairly grade women co-workers. This so demoralized a lot of his women co-workers that many stayed home from work on Monday. And the CEO called off a family vacation in order to come back and deal with the fallout.

  2. Re:Does that include in the interview process by El+Cubano · · Score: 4, Informative

    age is not a protected class (is it? I doubt it).

    It has been, under federal law for the last 50 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  3. Re:The Rainbow Scare by gweihir · · Score: 4, Informative

    Basically nobody that criticizes him has actually read what he wrote. You can tell immediately by invalid the claims they are making.
    Some actual experts that did read his text come to the conclusion that he is pretty much accurately describing reality:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20...

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  4. Re:Is there anything wrong with this? by TheSunborn · · Score: 4, Informative

    ???

    My list and Googles list contains people can not do the job, or who prevent other from doing their job. Or people who are impossible to work with. It does not contain people I don't like, or don't agree with.

  5. Re:Feeling kind of misled about Google by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Having worked at Google, "The Internship" was utter BS. Especially the part where it shows going back and forth between Mountain View and San Francisco as a short Google bike ride without breaking a sweat. Experienced bikers could make that commute in 30 minutes but would require taking a shower.

  6. Re:The Rainbow Scare by thecatt · · Score: 3, Informative

    Men and women differ by an entire chromosome. That's more than differentiates many species from each other. How much more genetic difference do you need? But the memo in question mentioned that genetics was only one of the factors involved and that culture and bias undoubtedly played a role as well. Again, did you really read it?

    As to the shift in engineering demographics, perhaps it's not men and women that have changed in the past 40 years but rather the nature of the job.

  7. Re:Does that include in the interview process by JohnFen · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not just in California, in the whole nation.

  8. Re:The Rainbow Scare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    For me after nearly 35 years working as an electrical engineer then later a programmer, I've seen a bunch of changes. There's more competition between companies now, so you have to work harder and smarter. That drives off a lot of women. Also, you have to work longer hours, and from what I've seen that drives all every women I've worked with for long. They refuse to be teamworkers and work as long as their teammates do. They leave early, refuse to work weekends, and demand vacation time. All of those things are incompatible with a modern tech company.

  9. Re:The Rainbow Scare by gweihir · · Score: 3, Informative

    1. Not a trick (unless you are unable to read)
    2. quilette.com is currently down, and that is the only reason why I posted that link

    Also, are you claiming the scientific credentials of those people are invalid? Unless you do, you have no leg to stand on.

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  10. Re:The Rainbow Scare by Noble713 · · Score: 5, Informative

    https://motherboard.vice.com/e... Here's the full, original manifesto with all the embedded hyperlinks the original author included. Why did Gizmodo post a version stripped of this information?

  11. Re:The Rainbow Scare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Because it's easier to attack it when you remove the sources.

    Can't really say the document is sexist when one of the core parts (differences in gender) come directly from a section of a wikipedia article, with said section having over 60 sources. People aren't that stupid.

    The problem is that now that the idea that it is sexist has been propagated enough, nothing will change the narrative despite us finally having the full sourced version. People are that stupid.

  12. Re:The Rainbow Scare by jeff4747 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Men and women differ by an entire chromosome

    Nope. Men still have a copy of an X chromosome.

    Also, if you want to try to measure the difference via counting genes, there are more differences between unrelated men than there are between all men and all women.

    (Sounds weird, but when you switch to "all", you are now talking about the frequency of various mutations in the overall population. When you're talking about the individuals, you are measuring the difference in their specific set of mutations.)

  13. Re:The Rainbow Scare by DRJlaw · · Score: 3, Informative

    The dude has a PHD relevant to the topic he was discussing, and was well sourced.

    Oh really? Harvard doesn't think that he has a pHD. Care to provide a link to his doctoral thesis?