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Monsanto Was Its Own Ghostwriter For Some Safety Reviews (bloomberg.com)

Reader schwit1 writes: Dozens of internal Monsanto emails, released on Aug. 1 by plaintiffs lawyers who are suing the company, reveal how Monsanto worked with an outside consulting firm to induce the scientific journal Critical Reviews in Toxicology to publish a purported independent review of Roundups health effects that appears to be anything but. The review, published along with four subpapers in a September 2016 special supplement, was aimed at rebutting the 2015 assessment by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) that glyphosate is a probable human carcinogen (PDF). That finding by the cancer-research arm of the World Health Organization led California last month to list glyphosate as a known human carcinogen. It has also spurred more than 1,000 lawsuits in state and federal courts by plaintiffs who claim they contracted non-Hodgkin lymphoma from Roundup exposure. Monsanto disclosed that it paid Intertek Group Plc consulting unit to develop the review supplement, entitled An Independent Review of the Carcinogenic Potential of Glyphosate. But that was the extent of Monsantos involvement, the main article said. The Expert Panelists were engaged by, and acted as consultants to, Intertek, and were not directly contacted by the Monsanto Company, according to the reviews Declaration of Interest statement. Neither any Monsanto company employees nor any attorneys reviewed any of the Expert Panels manuscripts prior to submission to the journal.

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  1. What if they put their name on it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Devils Advocate, don't get all mad at me. What if Monsanto had submitted the paper under its own name? Would it stand a chance at being published? Would anyone actual take it seriously? It sounds nefarious, but what if they actually wanted what they view as legitimate information to be actually read by someone?

    With that said, doing crap like that only further damages trust.

    1. Re:What if they put their name on it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed - but given how many people actually READ the paper by the Google guy as opposed to those that went with their prejudiced notions - I don't think it matters much these days. It certainly didn't to the state of California that banned it outright without even further research.

    2. Re:What if they put their name on it? by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well it only damages trust if they are caught.

      However the GMO Crazies are mainly a subset of all companies are evil crazy. Means an article posted by them, will immediately be considered false and lies. Much like a report from the Tobacco industry saying smoking doesn't cause cancer. And the from the Oil Industry saying carbon doesn't cause global warming.

      Granted they should had posted it with their own name, just so if other independent results confirm it, they look all the better.

      But in general for Science Reporting for man made things, are politically charged.
      Liberal groups have a hard time accepting science which says man made product is safe. (GMO, Vaccines)
      Conservative groups have a hard time accepting science saying that a product is dangerous. (Global Warming, Tobacco)

      In a culture where we are unable to trust science, because of all the bad science going on.

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    3. Re:What if they put their name on it? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It would be great if there were an independent review, from credible and qualified individuals, of the conflicting studies to perform some sort of validation and also to point out the potential flaws or margins of error. But who would choose and fund that review? It would be ideal if the two opposing entities funded it together, but that's not gonna happen.

      My biggest concern with these 'causes cancer' studies is that its always a matter of levels of exposure, and there often is a big hole when it comes to what level of exposure a typical user would encounter, and what risk that presents, and how that compares with other risks. In my opinion, any study that puts forth an association of cancer to a product is incomplete, and sometimes even negligent, when they stop without attempting to answer that questions whilst leaving the public to assume the worst. But to be fair to those performing the studies, often its the media that simply takes the study and mis-characterizes its findings for either clicks or agenda.

    4. Re:What if they put their name on it? by hey! · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's not even necessary. Journals have conflict of interest disclosure rules; any potential conflict such as funding from an interested party is disclosed when the paper is published, and everything is kosher.

      In fact if you go to the paper itself, here's the relevant bit from the disclosure statement:

      The Expert Panelists were engaged by, and acted as consultants to, Intertek, and were not directly contacted by the Monsanto Company. Funding for this evaluation was provided to Intertek by the Monsanto Company which is a primary producer of glyphosate and products containing this active ingredient. Neither any Monsanto company employees nor any attorneys reviewed any of the Expert Panel's manuscripts prior to submission to the journal.

      [emphasis mine]

      The bit I've highlighted is the crux of this matter. The accusation was that those bits were false.

      Deliberately misrepresentation on a conflict of interest statement constitutes scientific fraud.

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    5. Re:What if they put their name on it? by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Can the same results be duplicated by someone who doesn't care about the outcome? If not, it's bullshit. So why did the mother f**kers lie?

    6. Re:What if they put their name on it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not that there is bad science going on, it is all of the propaganda that claims to be science that is going on.

    7. Re:What if they put their name on it? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Devils Advocate, don't get all mad at me. What if Monsanto had submitted the paper under its own name? Would it stand a chance at being published? Would anyone actual take it seriously? It sounds nefarious, but what if they actually wanted what they view as legitimate information to be actually read by someone?

      If you want your research to be read, the last thing you do is submit it for peer review in a respected journal.

    8. Re:What if they put their name on it? by ScienceofSpock · · Score: 1

      Are you in the right place? This is about Monsanto, not the fired google employee.

    9. Re:What if they put their name on it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See what I mean?

    10. Re:What if they put their name on it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There should be no trust at all for Monsanto. They do no actual real good for the world.

    11. Re:What if they put their name on it? by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      I think that they're damaged just by the accusation.

      Assume for the sake of argument that Monsanto is completely innocent of any wrongdoing or impropriety for which they're being accused of in this specific case. It's essentially impossible to prove that you didn't do something (which is why the burden of proof must lie with the claimant) but there will always be some number of people that will only view a lack of evidence of guilt as proof of a wider-ranging cover up.

      Once they've made up their mind, it's practically impossible to change. Even if Monsanto started donating a lot of money to environmental causes, it would still be viewed suspiciously. People will twist the explanation to fit their beliefs, i.e., this is just Monsanto trying to mislead people into believing they're good.

      I'm inclined to believe that Monsanto had no need to be dishonest because almost all of the studies related to glyphosate haven't found a link to increased rates of cancer. I recall there was one study that did find a positive link, but it was quite controversial. It may have also been retracted by the journal that published it over claims of impropriety or serious methodological errors by the research team that conducted the study. Additionally, I previously watched a video that was skeptical of the claims made by the IARC report and the creators came to the conclusion that the language used by authors of the report was disingenuous and that they had misrepresented some of the studies referenced in that report. I haven't read all of the papers myself, so it's possible I'm being led astray, but it was from a skeptic channel that does a lot of videos on various topics so I'll give them a bit of trust.

    12. Re:What if they put their name on it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, what?

    13. Re:What if they put their name on it? by dryeo · · Score: 1

      But in general for Science Reporting for man made things, are politically charged.
      Liberal groups have a hard time accepting science which says man made product is safe. (GMO, Vaccines)
      Conservative groups have a hard time accepting science saying that a product is dangerous. (Global Warming, Tobacco)

      The big difference is that GMO, Vaccine are processes or tools while global warming and especially tobacco are things. GMO is like a hammer and saw, can be and usually is used for constructive purposes such as building a house but can be used to kill and dismember a person. Even when used to build a house, it is smart to make sure the house is built to some standards so it doesn't collapse and kill someone. Tobacco is a substance that has all kinds of evidence that it is harmful when consumed by people.
      The real problem is greed. Some of the population thinks that people will misuse tools in such a way that can be dangerous and some of those people go too far in believing that the tools are never well used. Another part of the population believes that the greedy are honest enough not to push harmful substances or perhaps believes in buyer beware, greed is usually good and some of these people go too far and believe that anyone that succeeds in making money on harmful substances is superior.

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    14. Re:What if they put their name on it? by dryeo · · Score: 2

      What about the surfactants (sp?) that are mixed into roundup to break the surface tension and allow the glyphosate to penetrate the plants? They're usually a trade secret, not studied and also a potential carcinogen. Roundup is not just glyphosate, which at least breaks down real quick and appears to be quite safe.

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    15. Re:What if they put their name on it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Every anti-vaxxer I've ever even heard of is a hard right conservative. GMO is a mixed bag as well, though liberals are generally the outraged ones there.

    16. Re:What if they put their name on it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jenny McCarthy is a hard right conservative? Jim Carrey is a far right conservative? Charlie Sheen is a far right conservative? Bill Maher is a far right conservative?
      Who knew?

  2. Doesn't matter by Neuronwelder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even if they are proved to be dangerous. They won't fix it. And if you do sue them. It will be your tax dollars: For court fees. And the settlement will probably come out of your taxes. They know how to buy Lobbyists and manipulate laws. You can't fight big companies. Look what happened to Flint Michigan.. nothing. People cant move from their houses until they pay for utility repairs and their houses are not worth squat.

    1. Re:Doesn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was listening to the History of Rome podcast and finally got to the triumvirate period. Crassus had 180 billion dollars, which for almost the entirety of history since has been insane. Mark Zuckerberg has 72 billion. The earlier periods of Rome where consuls straight up ignored legal tradition draws a dark parallel to today. If the president does something unconstitutional* and Congress doesn't vote to impeach, is it really unconstitutional?

      *I am not talking about that stupid partisan Russian "interference" or Monica Lewinski sex scandal crap.

    2. Re:Doesn't matter by Sindar+By+Choice · · Score: 1

      I've listened to that podcast. Great stuff!
      And yes, the parallels to our current time are very apparent.

      If there was one thing you could really point to, to show where the break with previous American "integrity" in politics, it would be the 2010 Supreme Court decision in the Citizens United case. No other event in American history has so completely changed the political landscape. Now a tidal wave of dark money flows unchecked, creating discord, rampant cronyism and an acidic eating away at the underpinnings of American Democracy.

    3. Re:Doesn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's see how 'not fixing it' works for them when people who have been made sick or have lost family members to cancer, or who knows what else glyphosate may cause, go and burn Monsanto to the ground, drag the board of directors out by their feet, and burn them alive in the street. All hyperbole aside what makes you think that ANYONE is going to put up with people being poisoned? The shit is already outlawed in so many countries, it's not like we're being the outliers in this.

    4. Re:Doesn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      translation: pathetic loser wants you to give up so he can claim to be right.
      I actually think a lot of these "we can't do anything so don't try" are plants by those very same big companies to demoralise us. Funny thing is, I do stuff and it affects companies. Not a lot but enough to irritate them, and their behaviour does consequently change.
      But carry on losing, dude.

  3. Yay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More money for lawyers. All they need is a few jury trials trotting out victims in front of sub 100 IQ jurists. It's the American way.

    1. Re: Yay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jury of your peers ;)

  4. What an article by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Declaration of Interest statement was rewritten per McClellan’s instructions, despite being untrue.

    Just a paragraph up:

    Specifically, McClellan told Roberts to make clear how the panelists were hired--"ie by Intertek," McClellan wrote. "If you can say without consultation with Monsanto, that would be great. If there was any review of the reports by Monsanto or their legal representatives, that needs to be disclosed."

    McClellan instructed them to disclose any contact. If they didn't, then that's not a fault of McClellan's instructions, and McClellan's instructions were not followed.

    1. Re:What an article by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

      Just a paragraph up:

      Specifically, McClellan told Roberts to make clear how the panelists were hired--"ie by Intertek," McClellan wrote. "If you can say without consultation with Monsanto, that would be great. If there was any review of the reports by Monsanto or their legal representatives, that needs to be disclosed."

      McClellan instructed them to disclose any contact. If they didn't, then that's not a fault of McClellan's instructions, and McClellan's instructions were not followed.

      Actually, McClellan specifically instructed them to disclose if Monsanto or their legal representatives reviewed the reports. That's a whole different statement than disclosing any contact. The panelists could all have been consultants for Monsanto who were hired by Intertek and be 100% following instructions without disclosing Monsanto ties under the wording used.

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    2. Re:What an article by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Consultation with Monsanto or their legal representatives. Consultants for Monsanto hired by Intertek would be legal representatives in some fashion.

      They put in the disclosure that they didn't consult with Monsanto when writing the paper, even though there's a hell of a lot of consultation with Monsanto going on in the review of the reports. Saying that McClellan instructed them not to disclose that Monsanto had been consulted in reviewing the reports is ... at odds with the facts.

      The whole thing is a mess. I was pointing out a logical inconsistency that seems to attribute blame to someone who didn't conspire to create this mess.

    3. Re:What an article by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

      The correct way of stating it would be "Please disclose if there was any communication with Monsanto for any reason while producing this report and note each incident along with topics discussed."

      That covers full disclosure of all potential problems.

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    4. Re:What an article by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Probably clearer and better, yeah. I still say that there was, in fact, review (and editing!) of the reports by Monsanto and their legal representatives, and that we can't claim McClellan ordered such contact to not be reported.

      I've a vested interest in seeing people of integrity in positions of power. From what I can tell, McClellan acted to maximize disclosure and minimize collusion, albeit with minimal apparent involvement himself he doesn't have much power until someone elevates a problem to his awareness. We should be focusing on Monsanto and the panel which accepted a paper with undisclosed editing by its key stakeholder.

    5. Re:What an article by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      I've a vested interest in seeing people of integrity in positions of power. From what I can tell, McClellan acted to maximize disclosure and minimize collusion, albeit with minimal apparent involvement himself he doesn't have much power until someone elevates a problem to his awareness. We should be focusing on Monsanto and the panel which accepted a paper with undisclosed editing by its key stakeholder.

      We all have vested interests in seeing such things otherwise things go down the slippery slope of deteriorating services and standards. McClellan appears to have left lots of legal wiggle room, whether intentional or not. And yes, we absolutely should also focus on whether there was editing of the paper by Monsanto backed interests. That is a separate issue.

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  5. Profit above all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even if glyphosate turns out to be very carcinogenic, and Monsanto is successfully sued to the utmost, they will still have made a hefty profit on Roundup and its associated products. So faked safety reports are just a minor hedge, and if they fail Monsanto will still be golden in investors' eyes. Unless and until we as a society get serious about bankrupting companies that pull this shit, (and their investors too), it will keep happening, and will keep getting worse. We keep rewarding psychopathic behaviour, then moan about the evil in human nature, when the real evil is our failure to organize a proper fight. Sad.

  6. Does anyone care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm surprised this topic hasn't generated more discussion here. My guess for Monsatan's punishment, if anything at all, is a laughable slap-on-the-wrist fine and a made-for-TV scolding. Until heads start to roll and executives of these types of organizations are thrown into prison for crimes against humanity, these types of problems will continue flourish unabashed.

  7. SOP by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

    This is hardly "news" in that itâ(TM)s pretty standard for companies to fund "independent" research papers on their products, and of course the expectation is that these studies will be friendly to whatever thing they are studying. The bigger issue to me is that the majority of the public does not understand this is going on and has been since almost the beginning of time.

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  8. Big whoop by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    DDT was considered bad too, but, years later it is found to be safe, but, don't tell that to the save the whales/bambi/tree hugger types. They will hit you with website after website saying how DDT kills this or that. Roundup has been used for almost 40 years. If it was THAT deadly, it would have showed up by now. Like I said, you can't have a peaceful meaningful conversation with the "animals first" bunch...they are always right, and anyone with an opposing view is a (insert one of their favorite terms).

    1. Re:Big whoop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed it would; What do you suppose the systemic exposure of toxins in our food supply over 40 years would look like? Huge increases in Autism, Cancers, Auto Immune conditions, et al?

    2. Re:Big whoop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too much of anything is bad and trying to minimise the use of inputs in agriculture is a high priority for farmers because they take away from profit margins.

      That being said, glyphosate itself is relatively harmless compared to many other common agricultural herbicides and pesticides and it breaks down rather quickly when exposed to weather.

      The nasty shit in Roundup and other glyphosate-based herbicides are actually the surfactants that are used to help the glyphosate stick to plants long enough for it to be absorbed. This is why there are different versions of Roundup for different spraying situations. E.g. there's one that is formulated for spraying in aquatic environment that has surfactants that are much less toxic to aquatic animals and break down a lot faster and as a consequence of that it has a higher concentration of glyphosate compared to the regular version.

  9. I'll keep using it by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    Nothing works better. I'll sneak it in from Canada if I need to.

  10. While we're on the topic... by Uncle_Meataxe · · Score: 1

    ... another article regarding Roundup, Monsanto, and lax oversight by US EPA...

    Internal EPA Documents Show Scramble For Data On Monsanto’s Roundup Herbicide
    The documents raise questions about how and why regulators for years have failed to require robust testing on what is the world’s most widely-used weed killer. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

  11. Everything is carcinogen in California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bought some half cotton, half polyester laundry line not that long ago in a state a thousand miles away, and it had one of those "known to the state of California" carcinogen warnings. I'm starting to think if it's not vegan or EU level expensive, they slap it on anything plastic they want to encourage you to by the 10x more for 1/3 less hippie brand. Because let's face it, they don't actually produce anything; they're all designers, programmers, or actors; the rest of know this as "bullshit artists." Half have too much money that they can only prove digitally and the other half have none at all. If you're worried, I'm sure there's some vinegar and nut shell, bullshit brand you can waste your time on instead.

  12. Vinegar, dish soap, and table salt by TheOuterLinux · · Score: 1

    Thats all you need, but you need to be really careful with it. It'll kill any small plants that grow and the salt helps prevent plants from growing back. The soap helps it all "stick." It's actually an ancient military tactic to salt the ground of your enemies. We've use it in and along the driveways and it takes a few days to notice, but with this hot weather, maybe not.

  13. Re:Because LIEberals control the mainstream media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tell me, how does it pay to be a filthy discusting Monsanto shill ?

    And what do you tell your kids when they ask you what Daddy does for a living. Do you tell them the truth ? Do you tell them "Daddy works for a big company that intends to take control of the entire food production in the world, to enslave the poor in developping countries, and that knowwingly poisons the entire population of earth for profits, just like the big tobacco companies do !"

    Boy, your kid must be very proud of his dad.

  14. 1099 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Neither any Monsanto company employees nor any attorneys reviewed any of the Expert Panels manuscripts prior to submission to the journal.

    The manuscripts were reviewed by contractors.

  15. Potential for Shareholder Lawsuit? by ytene · · Score: 2

    I wonder if any regular Slashdot reader has knowledge of the 10Ks that were filed by Monsanto during this period. Under Securities Law, the SEC requires that publicly listed companies like Monsanto complete a number of publications. The annual 10K includes a section, (Item 1A, Risk Factors) in which Monsanto should have been fully disclosing the risks that they were attempting to protect with the edits that they were inducing these "independent" specialists to produce.

    If the "evidence" that was being claimed via these "independent" results were substantially different from what the company knew to be reality, then it is entirely within the realm of possibility that a class-action lawsuit could be raised by shareholders who could reasonably claim that they were materially misled.

    Why am I focusing on this dimension first and foremost? Simply because we've seen how little large corporations care for the opinions of employees, of adversely affected clients, of the neighbours to their industrial plants, pipelines and processing centres or even the law. The only thing that really seems to worry a CEO these days is a posse of angry shareholders with the power to vote them out of their job.

    1. Re:Potential for Shareholder Lawsuit? by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is that all of the hippies that are showing up to things the March Against Monsanto should actually invest in the company instead because it has a better chance of actually allowing them to attain their goals?

      I'd pay good money just to see a video of someone suggesting this to such a crowd and their reaction to said proposal.

    2. Re:Potential for Shareholder Lawsuit? by ytene · · Score: 1

      I concede that the idea is unlikely to be popular. But I'm open to suggestions for a better way to make a change.

    3. Re:Potential for Shareholder Lawsuit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on, man. The instant you mentioned the SEC whatever remedy you were going to suggest lost all credibility.