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Canonical Needs Your Help Transitioning Ubuntu Linux From Unity To GNOME (ubuntu.com)

BrianFagioli quotes BetaNews: On August 24 and 25, the Ubuntu Desktop team will be holding a "Fit and Finish Sprint," where they will aggressively test GNOME. Canonical is also asking the Ubuntu community to help with this process. In other words, you might be able to assist with making Artful Aardvark even better.

What makes this particularly cool, however, is that Canonical will be selecting some community members to visit its London office on August 24 between 4 pm and 9 pm. "Over the two days we'll be scrutinizing the new GNOME Shell desktop experience, looking for anything jarring/glitchy or out of place," says Alan Pope, Community Manager. "We'll be working on the GTK, GDM and desktop theme alike, to fix inconsistencies, performance, behavioral or visual issues. We'll also be looking at the default key bindings, panel color schemes and anything else we discover along the way."

A few caveats: Canonical won't pay anyone's travel expenses to London, and "Ideally we're looking for people who are experienced in identifying (and fixing) theme issues, CSS experts and GNOME Shell / GTK themers."

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  1. "This is not a democracy" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bite me. You broke it, you fix it.

    http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/ubuntu-is-not-democratic.html

    1. Re:"This is not a democracy" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unity may be broken, gnome3 isn't a fix.

    2. Re:"This is not a democracy" by ckatko · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I keep saying this: Unity isn't half bad.

      It makes excellent use of screen space on netbooks, and overloads almost every combination of arrow keys and meta keys to do something nifty like merge window into half the screen, or move it to another workspace, or switch viewing workspaces. It uses fairly low RAM, and CPU resources. I use a 2 GB RAM (1 GB is ZRAM'd) laptop with a CELERON processor and until I fill up the RAM, it's snappy. I run apache. I do development work in C/C++/D/Python and more. I take business notes and do recordings. I play old windows games like Fallout 1 and 2 with Wine. All from my crappy little laptop.

      I FINALLY get used to this damn thing after Canonical is like "fuck what you want, you'll use Unity, you bitch, because IT'S BETTER." and now we find out that "better" means "whatever I like today (and maybe not tomorrow)." By switching back to GNOME they've basically lost any good faith that they knew what they were doing when they selected Unity.

      Whoever is making decisions at Canonical, they're complete morons. They have no real plans. And they don't understand their users at all. (Like their insane Ubuntu-integrated Amazon adsense debacle.)

    3. Re: "This is not a democracy" by jmcvetta · · Score: 2

      Unity is great. I love it, and I will miss it.

      In fact, Unity is the main reason I use Ubuntu on the desktop. And using it on the desktop is the main reason all my servers run Ubuntu. Get rid of Unity and I'll be a whole lot more motivated to try different distros.

      Canonical seems to have stunningly bad leadership in recent years. You get the feeling they spend all day thinking of ways they could fuck over their users and squander their good reputation.

  2. Great Process by bankman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Ideally we're looking for people who are experienced in identifying (and fixing) theme issues, CSS experts and GNOME Shell / GTK themers."

    So they're not specifically looking for input from actual users, the people who have to change all the idiotic defaults designers and themers chose in their endless wisdom? And all this is going to happen over the course of two days? I expect great things and will stick with Xubuntu. :-)

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    1. Re:Great Process by unixisc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Ideally we're looking for people who are experienced in identifying (and fixing) theme issues, CSS experts and GNOME Shell / GTK themers."

      So they're not specifically looking for input from actual users, the people who have to change all the idiotic defaults designers and themers chose in their endless wisdom? And all this is going to happen over the course of two days? I expect great things and will stick with Xubuntu. :-)

      Which begs the question: why are they doing this? If Unity has failed, why not fall back to the existing and established sub-distros, like Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Kubuntu (yeah, I know another organization now owns it), or just let users pick from miscellaneous distros, such as Trinity, Mate, Razor/qt, LX/QT, et al?

    2. Re:Great Process by unixisc · · Score: 2

      With KDE, I can see the value: aside from Plasma, there is a whole family of applications that is available for KDE - from myriad small applications like kmail to Calligra (formerly KOffice).

      With GNOME, I just can't see it. Yeah, there are some fringe 'made for GNOME' appslications, like GNOME Web (Epiphany), but they're just unwieldy. GNOME 2.x - now MATE - was okay, but not great. GNOME 3.x is bizarre, at best.

      If big desktops have such value, why doesn't Canonical wanna drive it any more? It's having their cake & eating it too. They should do what PC-BSD does on the FreeBSD side of things, provide all the environments, and just work on tools that make their environment useful. Maybe focus on Steam integration more, since that's potentially a big driver of their platform

  3. Clean up your own mess, douchebags by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    Unity was always a farce, many of us warned you. Now you want our help cleaning up the mess you've made? Next you'll want us to help you remove systemd.

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    1. Re:Clean up your own mess, douchebags by Kjella · · Score: 2

      Unity was always a farce, many of us warned you. Now you want our help cleaning up the mess you've made?

      To be fair, Canonical went where a lot of the market - Microsoft, in particular but a lot of other tech pundits too - thought the world was heading. Convergence, touch, one OS from smartphones to desktops. In retrospect, it's easy to see they were wrong. Microsoft had to backpedal on the Windows 8.x UI and Windows Phone is dead. Android and Chromebooks haven't merged, neither has iOS and macOS. You might say the Surface line has proven that cross-over devices aren't totally dead, but it's more of a border skirmish than all-out war. I don't know, it might have flopped because the implementation was bad too. But it mainly flopped because the market wasn't there.

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    2. Re:Clean up your own mess, douchebags by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's one part. The second critical part is that "modern" apps (formerly "metro") used to be full screen only, which was ridiculous on PCs. The third was the elimination of the on-by-default screen hotspots, which were a disaster for normal mouse users. I generally don't mind using Windows 10 with those major issues fixed. I still think Metro apps look ridiculous on PCs, but at least they're reasonably functional now.

      It's so strange to me how this looked so completely obvious to many of us looking from the outside in: that desktop PCs and touch devices have radically different interface needs, and any attempt to merge them is going to end up being a serious compromise for the PC users, making them unhappy.

      I suspect this was largely a fearful reaction by those entrenched in PC tech as they saw mobile OSes eating PC's lunch in terms of general market share. So instead of focusing on making their core users happy, they tried to desperately grab at the emerging mobile market, only to lose their core constituency even faster.

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  4. Tests don't fix the problems of identity politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    In my opinion, it is identity politics that has resulted in GNOME being in such poor shape today.

    Using past Slashdot submissions, let's track what happened to the GNOME desktop environment project after it started engaging in identity politics, instead of just focusing on software development.

    On June 15, 2006, Slashdot featured the story "GNOME Reaches Out to Women".

    As we progress from 2007 through to just last week, we can see the decline:

    The GNOME project went from creating GNOME 2, which was perhaps the most widely used and most liked open source desktop environment ever created, to the GNOME 3 disaster (which was quite delayed), and eventually to the project having trouble finding a maintainer for its text editor!

    Some people will misinterpret what happened, and blame women for it. Of course, that's a load of bollocks. As we can

  5. Re:This is funny by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They paid to screw it up, now want help to fix it and won't pay for that.

    No, that's not what's happening.

    Yeah, Unity was a stupid idea. I've complained here about not even considering Ubuntu because of Unity before (though I've since run XUbuntu for some compatibility-driven tasks).

    But what they're saying here is, "Guys, we were wrong, we're going with GNOME, but there are some things GNOME doesn't do right that Unity did". Can you believe that Unity might have not done EVERYTHING wrong and that GNOME doesn't do EVERYTHING right?

    They want to make a good, more Open release and are asking for help from the community to do that.

    Don't shit on people who are trying to mend their ways; the best thing about Open Source is the community and the "never forgive, never forget" attitude only serves to damage it.

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  6. Re:Isn't Canonical a business? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    On April 12, 2017 there was a story here at Slashdot titled "Dozens Of Canonical Employees Resign As Ubuntu Switches To GNOME, Shuttleworth Returns As CEO".

    I don't know if it's correct, but the summary for that submission stated:

    The Reg has learned 31 or more staffers have already left the Ubuntu Linux maker ahead of Shuttleworth's rise, with at least 26 others now on formal notice and uncertainty surrounding the remainder.

    Maybe they wouldn't have to be begging for community help if those employees were still around.

  7. If you want Xubuntu, you know where to find it. by tepples · · Score: 2

    If they wanted to 'make a good, more Open release' like you're claiming, then they'd be switching to Xfce or Kde instead of Gnome 3.

    Which is why Kubuntu and Xubuntu exist. I personally run Xubuntu on my PC at work. If you want Xubuntu or Kubuntu to gain momentum, then go ahead and contribute to that project. This project is for people who prefer GNOME.

  8. Re:Tests don't fix the problems of identity politi by SumDog · · Score: 2

    I don't understand why this is modded down. It's a pretty good comprehensive summary of the gnome project. I remember back in 2012 when I was using Linux at work (used a hackintosh/Mac for years) and installed openSUSE with gnome3. Dear god .. took me a few hours to get everything semi-working to the way it was in gnome2. That's when I took the plunge and switched to i3.

    Tiling window managers are the way to go. I've tried xnomad, i3 and a few others. I've settled on i3 for years, but whichever one you use, once you go tiling you won't go back.

  9. Mate desktop - yes, Gnome 3 - no by Alain+Williams · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have tried Gnome 3 several times, I also run it on a virtual machine .... but I just find it unusable; way too dumbed down, essential (to me) features removed; Mate (Aka Gnome 2) has them - so I stay there.