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Samsung Pushes Its 4K/HDR TV Service in Europe (4k.com)

An anonymous reader quotes 4K.com: Samsung Electronics has announced that its premium Smart TV content service, TV Plus, is now available for users of Samsung Smart TVs in France, Germany, Italy, Spain and the United Kingdom... Owners of eligible Samsung Smart TVs with 4K / HDR capabilities in the above-mentioned European countries now have direct access to premium 4K UHD HDR content offered by Samsung, in partnership with Rakuten TV, and can find their favorite shows using the TV Plus straightforward interface... The expansion comes at what could be considered a strategically well timed moment in the European market, given that 4K TV sales in the huge continental market are steadily growing year by year and are expected to rise to over 17 million 4K TV units shipped by the end of 2017. Meanwhile, TV Plus content has become a success in Southeast Asia since its launch, where 70% of Smart TV users in Korea are watching TV PLUS channels, and 41% of Smart TV users in Vietnam are using TV PLUS.

55 comments

  1. Samsung tv watches you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Subject said it all.

    1. Re: Samsung tv watches you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bullshit. No cameras in New models and the mic is in the remote so if paranoid you can use a 3rd party remote.

    2. Re: Samsung tv watches you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. No cameras in New models and the mic is in the remote so if paranoid you can use a 3rd party remote.

      A mic in the remote attached to a "smart" TV that likely doesn't work worth a shit unless it's permanently connected to the internet, but has no camera?

      Speaking of bullshit, you can stop trying to make me feel better. I happen to be one of those rare consumers armed with common fucking sense who still values privacy.

    3. Re: Samsung tv watches you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to read this. "Please be aware that if your spoken words include personal or other sensitive information, that information will be among the data captured and transmitted to a third party through your use of Voice Recognition."

      But don't worry, dear consumer. They promise to only send your data to "authorized" partners!

    4. Re: Samsung tv watches you by Jethro · · Score: 1

      I have a Samsung SmartTV.

      The remote it came with never had batteries put in it.

      The TV was never allowed to connect to my network.

      I'm pretty sure it's never spied on me.

      And before you ask why I got a Smart TV if I'm never going to use those features - it's impossible to find a TV without those features that still had other features I wanted. Luckily the smart features are pretty easy to disable. Or never enable in the first place.

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    5. Re: Samsung tv watches you by krakelohm · · Score: 1

      FYI some of the TV's have been known to automatically connect to open wifi to transmit information back to the mothership.

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    6. Re: Samsung tv watches you by Jethro · · Score: 1

      Good luck. There aren't any in my area.

      (Plus I can always put the TV's MAC in my DHCP server and set it's IP to 127.0.0.1).

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    7. Re: Samsung tv watches you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck. There aren't any in my area.

      (Plus I can always put the TV's MAC in my DHCP server and set it's IP to 127.0.0.1).

      How about your neighbors non-pass protected wifi? Or the coffee shop nearby? It could sneek into any open wifi that's close enough, not just yours.

    8. Re: Samsung tv watches you by Jethro · · Score: 1

      Anyone in my neighbourhood who USED to have open had mysteriously produced messages telling their owners to lock them down. I believe the printers were the funniest ones.

      There are no commercial entities anywhere near me that would have an open network. Definitely not within any kind of range of my house. Unless that TV has a robotic arm that can plug itself into an ethernet port, it ain't happening.

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  2. Just what we need by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

    Yet another streaming service but this one's tied to your hardware

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    1. Re:Just what we need by geekmux · · Score: 2

      Yet another streaming service but this one's tied to your hardware

      What? You mean you didn't want to replace your television every other year because they purposely stopped pushing firmware updates, breaking all functionality?

      You must be some kind of communist hippie who doesn't want to support landfills overflowing with capitalistic greed...

  3. OK by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    By "premium content" do they mean that same localized region locked shit you can get from your local cable provider? No thanks.

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  4. Korea isn't in Southeast Asia. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Korea isn't in Southeast Asia. It's part of East Asia.

    1. Re:Korea isn't in Southeast Asia. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like Japan. /troll

  5. Shooting your own foot? by sanf780 · · Score: 1

    I know that Rakuten streaming service, formerly Wuaki, has been eclipsed by Amazon Prime and Netflix. I fear it is not a good idea to have exclusive content on Samsung TVs when you aim to be on as many devices as possible. I hope there is a fat check in order to make Rakuten live longer.

    1. Re: Shooting your own foot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's sexist and weight-isms! What in the world do you have against fat ch... Oh.

    2. Re: Shooting your own foot? by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      How do you feel about File Allocation Tables?

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    3. Re:Shooting your own foot? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      This seems to be more of a store than a subscription streaming service. Samsung figure that if you can buy movies directly from the TV UI (which they will advertise at you and your children with no opt out) they can get some extra revenue.

      Rakuten is kinda like Amazon, but coming from the East. While Amazon struggles to gain footings in east Asian countries, Rakuten struggles to succeed in the west. I think part of their problem as their confusing site where you could see all this great stuff but actually buying it was damn near impossible.

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    4. Re:Shooting your own foot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another way to look at it is: You won't sell too many 4K TVs unless there's also 4K content to go with it.

    5. Re:Shooting your own foot? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      This seems to be more of a store than a subscription streaming service. Samsung figure that if you can buy movies directly from the TV UI (which they will advertise at you and your children with no opt out) they can get some extra revenue.

      Well that's what you get for plugging your tv into the internet.

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    6. Re: Shooting your own foot? by sanf780 · · Score: 1

      I call them FAT.

    7. Re:Shooting your own foot? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I bet if you don't plug it in you just get adverts and nagging to connect it instead.

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  6. Wait for HDR to mature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are competing HDR standards and current standards will very likely not be the final version of whatever standard wins out.

    1. Re:Wait for HDR to mature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and after all these years Youtube still doesn't have a button to unsquash 4:3 videos squashed to 16:9.

      (some of these are 16:9 video stored in 4:3 stored in 16:9, so they're cinemascope with squashed people)

      So I'm not exactly about to buy a huge HDR monitor to look at low bitrate squashed people.

    2. Re:Wait for HDR to mature by mentil · · Score: 1

      The latest LG OLED TVs support HDR10+, Dolby Vision and Hybrid Log Gamma, which will likely cover all the final HDR standards. Haven't looked at Samsung's stuff though.

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  7. Why the fuck would I want this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please, someone explain that to me. Is there anything in that I *do* want to have?

    1. Re:Why the fuck would I want this? by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      Please, someone explain that to me. Is there anything in that I *do* want to have?

      A childlike sense of wonder?

    2. Re:Why the fuck would I want this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for this one :-)

    3. Re:Why the fuck would I want this? by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Please, someone explain that to me. Is there anything in that I *do* want to have?

      Allow me to clarify. Product features these days have nothing to do with what you want. Manufacturers only give a shit about features that make them the most money.

      Your needs or wants are a distant priority to that. And no, they don't care if you don't like it, because there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

    4. Re:Why the fuck would I want this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And no, they don't care if you don't like it, because there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

      Ah, but there is, my friend.

      There is.

    5. Re:Why the fuck would I want this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > And no, they don't care [...] because there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

      Well, there is. Remind myself and others that I don't *have* to shell out money for that. Sometimes there's a bit of activation energy to tunnel the barrier, but that's their trick, and *knowing* that life is always better beyond the barrier deprives them of customers.

      I try to take as many as I can to the other side.

      Remember the red pill metaphor?

    6. Re:Why the fuck would I want this? by geekmux · · Score: 1

      > And no, they don't care [...] because there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

      Well, there is. Remind myself and others that I don't *have* to shell out money for that. Sometimes there's a bit of activation energy to tunnel the barrier, but that's their trick, and *knowing* that life is always better beyond the barrier deprives them of customers.

      I try to take as many as I can to the other side.

      Remember the red pill metaphor?

      You and your defiant opinion represent less than 1% of the customer base, which is exactly why they don't give a fuck what you think or do. You won't even be able to make a pathetic dent against those that dominate the industry.

      Keep dreaming that you taking "as many as you can" to the other side is going to change a fucking thing. It won't, and my original statement stands. Consumers are lazy, and won't even expend the effort to look for a red pill, or swallow it.

    7. Re:Why the fuck would I want this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And no, they don't care if you don't like it, because there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

      Ah, but there is, my friend.

      There is.

      Prove it. Otherwise, you're just another consumer who's empty threats are full of shit.

    8. Re: Why the fuck would I want this? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Out of curiosity, do you have a source for that 1% figure?

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  8. Yeah right by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Nice marketing release. "where 70% of Smart TV users in Korea are watching TV PLUS channels". Sure they are.

  9. i ejaculate into the microphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    every day if they want to listen to me good luck the crusted remains just grow higher and higher and hiiiiiiiiiigher.

  10. Quite clever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There isn't that much 4k content around, which probably affects people's decision as to whether it's worth upgrading to a 4k tv set. So giving access to a significant library of 4k content to anyone buying a Samsung tv will probably get them a bunch of sales they wouldn't otherwise have had. There's no mention of cost in the article, I'm not clear if it's free for owners of the specified tv set models, but if so then it seems to be a pretty good deal.

    1. Re: Quite clever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone buying a TV now should get a 4K version even if they don't care about 4K. Manufacturers aren't using their quality LCD panels on 1080p TVs anymore.

    2. Re: Quite clever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The majority of humans aren't capable of noticing a difference in 4K resolution vs 1080p at the size of screen and distance most people sit at. That being said, I agree with your statement. Newer sets have better color quality, higher refresh rates, better contrast etc. Things that the majority of people can clearly see a difference in.

    3. Re:Quite clever by sanf780 · · Score: 1
      What I fear is that the service will be focused on movie rental, as movies is where 4K excels. And not on watch-as-much-as-you-can subscription scheme. My reasoning is that the subscription scheme only shows movies and TV shows that are older than four years. Most recent 4K shows are on Netflix, HBO or whatever else, and not in this service. Heck, even shows like Breaking Bad were removed from the service. Movies older than 4 years (licensing becomes cheaper the older the movie is) have not been mastered for consumer in 4K as there was no easy way to deliver that content four years ago.

      By looking at today's pricing for Fast & Furious 8, SD rent is 4EUR, HD rent is 5EUR, HD "buy" is 10EUR. My assumption is that either 4K is going to be at 6EUR, or if they are benevolent, at the same price as HD. It is cheaper than going to the movies, not considering the TV set price.

    4. Re: Quite clever by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      I would say things like the online interface elements, the TV guide etc. do actually benefit from the 4K resolution. Basically you are getting a HiDPI or "retina" display. The Plex interface on my 4K LG smart TV is noticeably crisper than the 1080p HD interface on the TV in my bedroom.

    5. Re: Quite clever by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      I guess a good niche usage can be showing pictures from digital camera (or phone connected as USB mass storage, or an arranged folder of pictures, or on the Internet), although 16:9 is annoyingly wide.

      It's something I can imagine "normal" people to do. Unless you use a computer or device with 1080p or less output, you stand a chance at seeing the additional pixels/high res.
      Otherwise 4K might be used to read text on the TV (web, pdf, txt, ...)

      All the TV OS are sleazy and untrustworthy - you might as well buy your TV from Real Player or the Ministry of State Security. So there might be a need or demand or opportunity for a Free OS. Let's say, Ubuntu and Firefox OS are in a good position to provide such a critical software infrastructure. Oh wait!!! No they're not, the basement dwellers and their angry rants won. There's no safe OS for a TV (though maybe you can look at a picture gallery off-line)

  11. For how long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given that YouTube got disabled on 4yo Samsung TVs, I wonder for how long it will work before they try to leverage it to push you a new TV.

    1. Re: For how long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They killed my Samsung tv before it ever got smart.

  12. 4K UHD? Not on my DSL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't see how this could possibly function well. H.264 encoded video from my 4K cameras (Yi 4K, Panasonic GX-85) is well over 50MBit. Even if they're using HEVC (H.265) for this service, you'd be looking at around 25MBit/s to stream UHD content.

    Looking at the average internet connection speeds in Europe: https://www.fastmetrics.com/internet-connection-speed-by-country.php#top-10-comparison-2017

    There are no European countries where the average home internet connection is above 25MBit/s. Certainly you can get faster service (the fastest offer I've seen is 400MBit over DOCSIS 3 in metro areas in Germany) but anecdotal evidence says 50MBit is more common.

    Why? Because lots of Europeans are still connected via DSL. It's expensive to run fibre, coax is not all that common unless the building is new or it's been retrofitted because someone has cable TV. Phone lines are ubiquitous, and speed advances in DSL and cost reductions in DSLAM mean you can easily get 150MBit/s over DSL now (again, in metro areas).

    So, maybe Samsung will have some success with this. But I'm going to guess they won't. Because even on a 150MBit/s connection here in Germany, you still have a "fair use" quota of 300GB/month. Which won't buy you too many hours of UHD content at 25MBit/s.

    Or maybe my experience is too Germany specific and other countries don't have these silly rules.

    1. Re:4K UHD? Not on my DSL by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I'm in the US, a wasteland for broadband, even my smallish city has a regional wireless (ground based directional) at over 100mbps.

      When there is content that needs, or even benefits from, more than 25-50mbps, it'll come.

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    2. Re: 4K UHD? Not on my DSL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think your experience is indeed rather country-specific. The Netherlands almost every consumer broadband connection has unlimited data, 99%+ of households have coax with DOCSIS options, most have VDSL with speeds far over 50Mbps and the number of fibre connected homes is growing steadily. I don't think this country is particularly ahead either.

  13. Thank you for the ad, Slashdot! by RedMage · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously, is this "news" or just ad copy? It sure does sound like product placement to me...

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    1. Re:Thank you for the ad, Slashdot! by sl3xd · · Score: 1

      Ad copy. Slashvertizing is a thing now.

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  14. The FAT tax on solid-state storage by tepples · · Score: 1

    How do you feel about File Allocation Tables?

    I feel they're a way for Microsoft to tax users of removable storage. Once the VFAT patent (covering the method used to store long file names in FAT since Windows 95) was due to expire, Microsoft evergreened its patent by introducing exFAT and convincing the SD Card Association to make exFAT mandatory for SDXC hosts instead of UDF.

    Do Samsung 4K TVs have an SD slot or USB receptacle whose use for storage would incur a FAT tax?

  15. Internet activation required by tepples · · Score: 1

    I've read reports that some TVs capable of IPTV have an interstitial requiring the owner to agree to the software license agreement and activate the TV online before using it even for things other than IPTV. Until the owner connects the TV to the Internet, all it can do is display the nag screen.

    "Then just buy a TV that isn't 'smart'." Good luck with that now that the cost of including IPTV has become negligible in a large TV compared to the cost of engineering and stocking a separate SKU without IPTV. Because of this, not all such TVs even have a corresponding model with a similar panel but without IPTV.

  16. Colour gamut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's their coverage of the BT.2020 space like these days?

    Ah it's irrelevant: the content will be so over compressed that you won't be able to make full benefit of the display anyway, even if it is's only partial BT.2020 compliant.