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Bitcoin Is Forking. Again. (vice.com)

Merely weeks after it was announced that Bitcoin was splitting into two separate entities, the initial version of bitcoin and it's new "bitcoin cash," the network is adding a third version, according to a report. From the article: On Wednesday, a group of bitcoiners scheduled yet another split for the network in November, which would create a third version of bitcoin. So, what makes this version different from the others? Right now, the bitcoin network can sometimes take a long time to process transactions due to so many people using it. This is because the "blocks" of transaction data that get added to bitcoin's public ledger, the blockchain, are getting full. In the weeks preceding the fork, bitcoin coalesced around a solution called "segregated witness," which will change how data is stored in blocks to free up some space when it kicks in later in August. But the size of the blocks themselves will stay at one megabyte on the original bitcoin blockchain. Still, some bitcoiners maintained that the only way to speed bitcoin up for the foreseeable future was to increase the size of blocks themselves. So, a group of bitcoin companies and developers got together and launched a fork called bitcoin cash, which does not include segregated witness. It bumped the size of blocks up to a maximum of eight megabytes. That fork was widely anticipated to be a failure before it happened, but at the time of writing, bitcoin cash is trading above $300 USD per coin, which is comparable to cryptocurrencies like ethereum. Sounds like everyone got what they wanted, right? Oh, no. There's a third group of bitcoin developers, companies, and users who advocate for a "best of both worlds approach." This group includes Bitmain, the largest bitcoin infrastructure company in the world, and legendary bitcoin developer Jeff Garzik. They got together back in May and signed what is known as the "New York Agreement," which bound them to implement a two megabyte block size increase alongside segregated witness via a hard fork within six months of the time of signing. They call the fork Segwit2x. Now, that's exactly what's happening. According to an announcement posted to the Segwit2x GitHub repository, a bitcoin block between one and two megabytes will be created at block 494,784.

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  1. Sounds like by invictusvoyd · · Score: 2

    Its getting closer and closer to paper money.

    1. Re:Sounds like by Train0987 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, paper money is at least backed by something. Even if that backing is only the full faith and credit of the US Government it's still better than being backed by absolutely nothing.

    2. Re: Sounds like by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Informative

      So, nothing tangible or of any real value whatsoever.

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    3. Re:Sounds like by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They're cloning the tulips

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    4. Re:Sounds like by Mitreya · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, paper money is at least backed by something. Even if that backing is only the full faith and credit of the US Government it's still better than being backed by absolutely nothing.

      Also, one money.
      You don't see California or New England creating its own US currency in parallel.

    5. Re: Sounds like by Luthair · · Score: 2

      No, you're confusing counterfeits with currency backing.

    6. Re:Sounds like by Jamu · · Score: 4, Funny

      Coming soon... New Bitcoin, Bitcoin Classic, Bitcoin Cherry, Diet Bitcoin, Bitcoin Zero and Bitcoin Life.

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    7. Re: Sounds like by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3

      The US dollar is backed by the ability of the US Federal Government to tax its citizens to pay off its debts - which it currently does (about $400 billion a year right now). Can Bitcoin back up the value the same way?

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    8. Re:Sounds like by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Funny

      Does your statement mean that Ethereum is basically Pepsi? And Dogecoin is RC Cola?

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    9. Re:Sounds like by Afty0r · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even if that backing is only the full faith and credit of the US Government

      Isn't Bitcoin backed by the full faith and credit of all Bitcoin owners?

    10. Re: Sounds like by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      No, I just know what my Government spends. That's the interest we're paying on our debt, annually. When t-bills and bonds are redeemed, we pay for those. We issue a lot more (to the tune of $1.4 trillion in the FY2016 under President Obama), but right now, we're paying $400 billion a year.

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  2. well quite a failure, chain is not dead, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    > That fork was widely anticipated to be a failure before it happened, but at the time of writing, bitcoin cash is trading above $300 USD per coin, which is comparable to cryptocurrencies like ethereum.

    Well it is quite a failure in terms that it was given to each Bitcoin owner, and yet most owners dropped it, resulting in price drop from default 100% (you had N bitcoins and N of BCH "bitcoin-cash" tokens)

    through 50% (two times more BCH was sold then bought) - on futures market

    through 20% - when real trading opened, not just futures,

    then 10%

    now trading at 6-8% of original Bitcoin price.

    Also this does not account for all the people who did not yet bothered to sell the BCH "bitcoin-cash" tokens they are given (e.g. because it's in cold-wallet, burried somewhere, or on address not used in years) - or because it is simply lost forever (all addresses that had N amount of BTC on August 1, were "given" also N of BCH).

    Another metric is hashing power (mining power), it is at around 10% of original Bitcoin's.

  3. In the future... by jeff4747 · · Score: 5, Funny

    In the future, everyone will have their own cryptocurrency for 15 minutes.

  4. Split 3X by stevez67 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When one pyramid scheme isn't enough to fuel speculation, triple down on it.

  5. Re: If only bitcoin could die... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Cryptos are consuming more and more electricity when humanity should save it up... Bitcoin and etheruem miners are RUINING THE EARTH !!!

  6. Bitcoin's worst nightmare by timholman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The "success" of Bitcoin Cash has shown the way, as it is currently worth > $300 without impacting the price of BTC. Free money, right? So it will be seen as a no-brainer to keep doing hard forks, as long as different parties in the BTC ecosystem see some advantage to it.

    But at some point, all of these hard forks will make it abundantly clear to everyone that there is nothing special about any cryptocurrency. They're all made up out of the ether. They may provide some marginal utility for currency transfer across borders, but as investment vehicles (which is what is driving the current price spikes), putting your money in a cryptocurrency is like getting involved in a bidding war for a patch of tulips sitting in the middle of a infinite field of them.

    BTC is "special", because there are only 21 million of them, right? Except maybe if there are 210 million, or 21 billion, or 21 trillion, because hey, here comes another hard fork of the blockchain by some group that wants to get rich quick. At some point the whole cryptocurrency mania collapses as everyone realizes just how limitless they really are. That is something that the people pushing BTC do not want to happen, but it is inevitable.

    There are interesting times ahead for cryptocurrencies.

    1. Re:Bitcoin's worst nightmare by helga+the+viking · · Score: 2
      QE is not / never will be inflationary. Thats the problem with using a homeopathic term 'printing money' without context:

      Quantitative Easing (QE) involves the central bank buying treasuries (or in some cases private sector securities) from the private sector by paying with newly created reserves.

      Quantitative easing simply swaps one type of asset on private sector balance sheets (typically treasuries) for another type (deposits backed by bank reserves, or simply bank reserves if a bank did the selling.)

      QE effectively changes the duration mix of outstanding government liabilities toward more short term liabilities and less long term ones. As such, it is roughly equivalent to if the treasury had previously chosen to issue relatively more T-Bills (short duration) and less bonds (long duration).

      No sectors (or entities within sectors) see any change in balance sheet equity as a direct result of QE. Therefore, there is no meaningful increase in the private sector's purchasing power or propensity to spend. At the level of each individual household or firm who might sell to the Fed during QE, decisions regarding investment portfolio composition tend to be made independently from decisions about how much to spend versus hold in an investment portfolio — so a change in the portfolio mix (cash, bonds, stocks, etc) won't cause more spending. Also, treasuries are almost as liquid as "money" and anyone previously holding treasuries could have easily sold them to support any planned spending.

    2. Re:Bitcoin's worst nightmare by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

      Metal is very useful for practical purposes. Gold became valuable originally because people wanted to use it, not hoard it.

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  7. The eventual result... by tonique · · Score: 2

    The eventual result will be the will be a separate forked bitcoin for every potential user and then their true value will be seen.

  8. What I don't understand... by ilsaloving · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What I don't understand, is why bitcoin is being valued so stupidly highly. To me, this kind of instability is frightening. The risk of losing value is so high that only a fool would invest.

    And yet in the real world, I'm the fool because if I had bought bitcoin earlier on, I'd be filthy rich now.

    1. Re:What I don't understand... by helga+the+viking · · Score: 5, Insightful

      like any ponzi scheme: the best time to invest was way back when it started... or now. Quick ;-)

  9. The true utility may be (will be?) by Sqreater · · Score: 2

    The usefulness of these forks may simply be that they allow an algorithm to determine at the moment of your transfer what coin has the greatest transaction speed at that moment for that transaction, so there will develop an abstract "Bitcoin of Bitcoins," environment. If you fold the other major coins in to such a "Coin of Coins" environment, money transfer goes to a truly mind-boggling level of abstraction. It would be like having one blank credit card that represents the best credit card deal at the moment for that particular purchase.

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