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Secret Chips in Replacement Parts Can Completely Hijack Your Phone's Security (arstechnica.com)

Dan Goodin, writing for ArsTechnica: People with cracked touch screens or similar smartphone maladies have a new headache to consider: the possibility the replacement parts installed by repair shops contain secret hardware that completely hijacks the security of the device. The concern arises from research that shows how replacement screens -- one put into a Huawei Nexus 6P and the other into an LG G Pad 7.0 -- can be used to surreptitiously log keyboard input and patterns, install malicious apps, and take pictures and e-mail them to the attacker. The booby-trapped screens also exploited operating system vulnerabilities that bypassed key security protections built into the phones. The malicious parts cost less than $10 and could easily be mass-produced. Most chilling of all, to most people, the booby-trapped parts could be indistinguishable from legitimate ones, a trait that could leave many service technicians unaware of the maliciousness. There would be no sign of tampering unless someone with a background in hardware disassembled the repaired phone and inspected it. The research, in a paper presented this week (PDF) at the 2017 Usenix Workshop on Offensive Technologies, highlights an often overlooked disparity in smartphone security. The software drivers included in both the iOS and Android operating systems are closely guarded by the device manufacturers, and therefore exist within a "trust boundary."

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  1. Phone manufacturers by Dan+East · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder which phone manufacturers sponsored this FUD. Technically possible? Sure. Any evidence it has ever occurred in the wild? No. Would this sort of malicious hardware have to transmit data in some way to offload the stolen information, thus raising alarms in various corporate type networks and the like? Eventually.

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    1. Re:Phone manufacturers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably our friendly, neighborhood, fruit tree company...

    2. Re:Phone manufacturers by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      How can a screen or digitizer communicate to the outside world? It likely isn't on a bus where it can ask the radio or NIC to packetize stuff it feels like. At best, it can record taps on a screen, but getting those out would be a different story. Perhaps for physical snooping where the device is captured later on (say to glean someone's PIN), but for a remote attacker, it isn't that feasible.

    3. Re:Phone manufacturers by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Not only is it FUD, but it could be done with brand-new phones. Thousands of people have access to the supply chain and at any point could pull inventory, modify/replace the original parts, and swap them back in. The fact is that there is no reasonable commercial incentive for the random repair person at a store to spy on the random customer that has his screen replaced, and it would be super simple to catch the responsible party. Talk about hard evidence!

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    4. Re:Phone manufacturers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Secret RUSSIANS in replacement ELECTIONS can completely hijack your ELECTIONS security.
       
      Remember this, kids.
       
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    5. Re:Phone manufacturers by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      if you're a front for organized crime, then it's an easy way to hijack people's phones

    6. Re:Phone manufacturers by WD · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Perhaps you're not familiar with how security research works. Stopping at "is this being exploited in the wild now?" is shortsighted.

      For some background, read:
      https://blog.osvdb.org/2017/08...
      (about "L0pht, Making the theoretical practical since 1992." )

    7. Re:Phone manufacturers by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 1

      Dumb question here. Why do we trust Apple or Samsung parts more than Huwai?

    8. Re:Phone manufacturers by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      thus raising alarms in various corporate type networks and the like?

      Only if you assume that no one ever uses a network outside their corporate network and that all networks used employ various ways to detect this data transmission. For most consumers, the normal is not to have such high security. They don't employ such detection methods and they connect to outside networks all the time.

      Also consumers are far more likely to buy these 3rd party parts than someone with a corporate phone who will most likely send it to their company for repair who will use genuine parts.

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    9. Re:Phone manufacturers by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

      If it knows what touches to simulate, then it can use any of a number of ways of doing so when the user isn't actively handling their phone (e.g. after it has been set down, but not yet auto-locked).

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    10. Re:Phone manufacturers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      now android marketing and spy OS ,there is no difference to ios,(it's not for geek), I used to like before there was a 2.3 version, now I use a simple push-button telephone

    11. Re:Phone manufacturers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      now no trust all)))

    12. Re:Phone manufacturers by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      But like I said, super easy to trace back and with tons of hard evidence, both on-premises and in all of your victim's hands. Plus the circumstantial evidence of all the ripped off people having a common experience of using your business. Much better off with a software hack. I mean, you have the person's phone in your possession... why not just install whatever software that you want - where there is at least some degree of plausible deniability?

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    13. Re:Phone manufacturers by ctilsie242 · · Score: 2

      In theory, Apple and Samsung have a lot more to lose. Apple especially, since their reputation as a phone provider rides on how secure their devices are, and if something is discovered, there are many rivals who will be happy to take the loss. Samsung, similar.

      Huawei? Not as much, as they are in a different market segment.

    14. Re:Phone manufacturers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "error 53"

    15. Re:Phone manufacturers by bsDaemon · · Score: 4, Informative

      Apple and Samsung devices and software have been evaluated and validated against FIPS 140-2, Common Criteria and Commercial Solutions for Classified (CSfC) standards and are considered safe enough for use by the US government and others which respect those certifications (such as the 20+ countries in the Common Criteria Recognition Agreement).

      Huawei has financial and political ties to the Chinese government, which has a well known history of taking "cyber" action for both political and industrial espionage purposes, in addition to siding with adversarial countries such as Russia, North Korea, etc. on a number of issues.

      Therefor, Apple and Samsung are probably better choices from a trustworthiness standpoint. On the other hand, they're largely manufactured and assembled in the PRC and would be targets for the kind of supply-chain-infiltration type hardware implant attack. It'd just be less easy to accomplish than embedding implants or back doors into the hardware of one of their own companies.

    16. Re:Phone manufacturers by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Probably our friendly, neighborhood, fruit tree company...

      Probably not; but I'll bet their devices don't share this issue. Not because of good design (but that is likely part of it); but because they don't use commodity SoCs like in 100% of Android devices.

      But I would really be surprised if ANY independent repair shops are replacing BGA-packaged SoCs, anyway.

      I agree: The article is FUD.

    17. Re:Phone manufacturers by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 0

      "error 53"

      That again?!?

      It was a coding error, subsequently fixed with an Update (which iOS devices actually RECEIVE, unlike 99.9999999999999999999999999999% of Android devices).

      https://ifixit.org/blog/7924/e...

    18. Re:Phone manufacturers by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      How can a screen or digitizer communicate to the outside world? It likely isn't on a bus where it can ask the radio or NIC to packetize stuff it feels like. At best, it can record taps on a screen, but getting those out would be a different story. Perhaps for physical snooping where the device is captured later on (say to glean someone's PIN), but for a remote attacker, it isn't that feasible.

      Right. Because the user taps in several places on the screen; but unless the display/digitizer is privvy to exactly WHAT App is running in the foreground, those taps and swipes are USELESS outside of the phone.

      FUD.

    19. Re:Phone manufacturers by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      If it knows what touches to simulate, then it can use any of a number of ways of doing so when the user isn't actively handling their phone (e.g. after it has been set down, but not yet auto-locked).

      But unless it knows exactly WHAT App is receiving those "taps" (which the display and digitzer most assuredly do NOT), so the fuck what?

    20. Re:Phone manufacturers by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      But like I said, super easy to trace back and with tons of hard evidence, both on-premises and in all of your victim's hands. Plus the circumstantial evidence of all the ripped off people having a common experience of using your business. Much better off with a software hack. I mean, you have the person's phone in your possession... why not just install whatever software that you want - where there is at least some degree of plausible deniability?

      Good luck doing that with a signed OS, like iOS... You can't even install a LEGIT, but no-longer-signed, version of iOS; let alone some backroom-hacked FrankenWare version.

    21. Re:Phone manufacturers by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Dumb question here. Why do we trust Apple or Samsung parts more than Huwai?

      Because by now, any nefarious transmissions would have long-ago been discovered by people like you.

    22. Re:Phone manufacturers by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      now android marketing and spy OS ,there is no difference to ios,(it's not for geek), I used to like before there was a 2.3 version, now I use a simple push-button telephone

      WTF are you even talking about?

    23. Re: Phone manufacturers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wasn't there some case with US government agencies intercepting mail order routers and network gear a while ago? Granted it'd be a bit of a stretch to intercept the entire manufacturing chain of Apple but it wouldn't stop them trying.

    24. Re:Phone manufacturers by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      In theory, Apple and Samsung have a lot more to lose. Apple especially, since their reputation as a phone provider rides on how secure their devices are, and if something is discovered, there are many rivals who will be happy to take the loss. Samsung, similar.

      Huawei? Not as much, as they are in a different market segment.

      Exactly.

    25. Re:Phone manufacturers by Tjp($)pjT · · Score: 1

      Smart "chip in the middle" devices would wait until you were off wifi and on the LTE or other telecom data. Or if they were really suave, even if you were on wifi they'd use the telecom communications channel.

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    26. Re:Phone manufacturers by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Apple and Samsung devices and software have been evaluated and validated against FIPS 140-2, Common Criteria and Commercial Solutions for Classified (CSfC) standards and are considered safe enough for use by the US government and others which respect those certifications (such as the 20+ countries in the Common Criteria Recognition Agreement).

      Huawei has financial and political ties to the Chinese government, which has a well known history of taking "cyber" action for both political and industrial espionage purposes, in addition to siding with adversarial countries such as Russia, North Korea, etc. on a number of issues.

      Therefor, Apple and Samsung are probably better choices from a trustworthiness standpoint. On the other hand, they're largely manufactured and assembled in the PRC and would be targets for the kind of supply-chain-infiltration type hardware implant attack. It'd just be less easy to accomplish than embedding implants or back doors into the hardware of one of their own companies.

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    27. Re:Phone manufacturers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My two year old Samsung still gets an update at least every other month. Soooooo wth were you saying again champ?

    28. Re:Phone manufacturers by Tjp($)pjT · · Score: 2

      They don't need to replace the processor. They are exploiting data capture from the digitizer and screen, and using the privileged position the display assembly has in the hardware to inject and essentially jailbreak the device. Or root it in the case of Android. Consider at one point you could just visit a website to jailbreak an iPhone. So wait until the user is quiescent and use the digitizer to visit a website. Pretty easy to do that. Then once compromised, game over. It isn't an easy process, nor cheap one, but for nation states not much of a problem. Once compromised the installed app can sit in the background. It is a waiting game for the installed hardware to find the right moment. The only "value" to this attack vector is that a known good repair shop can be compromised by their supplier, else a bad repair shop would likely just install bad firmware. As to replacing BGAs, there was a Vietnamese shop that did this to break earlier iPhones by swapping out the image on the firmware with a new one since out of the phone the chip could be reprogrammed. So even little shops on cramped, third world evident streets can do this without much difficulty.

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    29. Re:Phone manufacturers by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      OK, but if you can't do it with physical access to the phone, then a screen hack also won't help you.

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    30. Re:Phone manufacturers by Tjp($)pjT · · Score: 1

      The hardware is not something a small scale actor would be able to create. At the moment this is nation state, and maybe organized crime or the teamsters level of involvement to create a hack that you could then re-close the phone up. Done properly the hardware would be selective about the data it captures and when it sends it. And if you're a bad actor shop you only install the spyhard-ware on select victims phones and use legitimate hardware on others. You limit your footprint. If you are a bad actor on the supply chain side you have to manage to crack your victims phone and insert your devices into the repair supply chain to overlap the period from breakage to replacement, so you'll compromise more phones. The reason to prefer hardware over software is a complete from the ground up software reinstall doesn't undo the compromise. Imagine a hacked BIOS on an older PC. You hide your malicious code in the unused portion of the BIOS memory. When the user flashes a new BIOS image, the old image was still in control. It could, in theory, just reinfect the new image. Of course if you're a malicious shop you skip the firmware and install a new boot-rom. If there is one. SoC chips with a fuse segregate the "boot-rom" to a virtual existence and if the chip also contains the walled garden security mechanism, it is likely not very easy at all to compromise that without detectable side affects, like on an iPhone touch id no longer working as the sensor gets unpaired. But even then you could just disregard the security since it's now your walled garden.

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    31. Re:Phone manufacturers by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      Right. Because the user taps in several places on the screen; but unless the display/digitizer is privvy to exactly WHAT App is running in the foreground, those taps and swipes are USELESS outside of the phone.

      FUD.

      No, it's not. Because if you log where you touch on the screen and where you swipe, you can probably figure out what's going on.

      Look at the lock screen on your phone, and your keypad is probably laid out like every other keypad out there. In fact, it looks remarkably like the phone keypad too (if you're using a PIN). So any succession of taps in that region of the screen with the relatively wide spacing may be either a phone number, or the PIN code to unlock your phone.

      Ditto with the keyboard - if you're making a bunch of taps in the lower 1/3rd of the screen, I don't need to know what you're running in order to guess you might be typing something. If I record the locations of the taps, and then try to play it back with various scaling on the keyboard, I might be able to recreate what you typed.

      Heck, I might log information about when the touch screen chip is turned off so I can tell when you power it up, you're screen is probably locked and to note the next few taps and swipes.

    32. Re:Phone manufacturers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Solution: high security devices (NSA, CIA, maybe some hedge fund) get replaced, no repaired.

      No one else is going to be subjected to this kind of attack, ever.

    33. Re:Phone manufacturers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    34. Re:Phone manufacturers by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Right. Because the user taps in several places on the screen; but unless the display/digitizer is privvy to exactly WHAT App is running in the foreground, those taps and swipes are USELESS outside of the phone.

      FUD.

      No, it's not. Because if you log where you touch on the screen and where you swipe, you can probably figure out what's going on.

      Look at the lock screen on your phone, and your keypad is probably laid out like every other keypad out there. In fact, it looks remarkably like the phone keypad too (if you're using a PIN). So any succession of taps in that region of the screen with the relatively wide spacing may be either a phone number, or the PIN code to unlock your phone.

      Ditto with the keyboard - if you're making a bunch of taps in the lower 1/3rd of the screen, I don't need to know what you're running in order to guess you might be typing something. If I record the locations of the taps, and then try to play it back with various scaling on the keyboard, I might be able to recreate what you typed.

      Heck, I might log information about when the touch screen chip is turned off so I can tell when you power it up, you're screen is probably locked and to note the next few taps and swipes.

      I'm sorry; my lock screen doesn't have a keypad, nor do I swipe to unlock.

    35. Re:Phone manufacturers by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      My two year old Samsung still gets an update at least every other month. Soooooo wth were you saying again champ?

      So, you're in the .00000000000000000000000000000001 percent of Android users that have gotten mire than an updated or two.

    36. Re:Phone manufacturers by Joosy · · Score: 1

      So, you're in the .00000000000000000000000000000001 percent of Android users that have gotten mire than an updated or two.

      Rubbish. My Samsung Galaxy Note 4 (last of the line with a replaceable battery!) was originally released in late 2014. It still regularly receives updates.

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    37. Re: Phone manufacturers by philmck · · Score: 1

      My Galaxy S4 says it was last updated in November 2016. Must be pretty vulnerable by now :-(

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  2. Don't panic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The same thing can be done with original screens.

    1. Re:Don't panic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So true. In fact, Samsung "Smart" TV screens come pre-hijacked, so it's not even hypothetical.

  3. NSA catalog. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't the NSA teach us this was such a thing?

  4. so much for "the right to fix" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hoorah, now you have the right to turn your own phone into a surveillance device.

    By asserting your right to fix your own phone, you've destroyed not only your own privacy, but the privacy of all your contacts.

    Boo-yeah!

  5. Can LG and Huawei keep a secret? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Representatives threw up their hands and muttered (in Korean): Hey, if they can understand what I'm saying, fuckyouverymuch, then we're officially blown. Please tell our beloved dictator to cancel those plans on Guam. No, the bombing part only. His scuba dive trip will still proceed as scheduled--we don't want to disappoint him now, do we?

  6. There are much worse things already happening by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    Such as faulty/counterfeit batteries used in Galaxy Note 4s during repair.

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  7. This isn't news by mlw4428 · · Score: 2

    Once you give up physical access to your device, you give up security. This is no different than the possibility that a locksmith could use a copy of a key he made for you. It's stupid.

    1. Re:This isn't news by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      This is why the USER should be able to set the locks themselves. The 'physical access' loophole can be defeated with 'Trust, but Verify' methods.

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    2. Re:This isn't news by Sloppy · · Score: 2

      Once you give up physical access to your device, you give up security.

      And when it comes to phones, that happens before you even buy it. The idea of a phone's security being subverted is laughable. It never had any security! It was always someone else's computer.

      Granted, you would probably prefer your phone to have n masters above you, rather than n+1. But for high values of n, the more you care about that, the less sense it makes. You should probably worry more about n and less about the +1. Solve the real problem, and you'll solve the fake problem too.

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    3. Re:This isn't news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The vulnerability is the same even if you do the screen replacement yourself.

  8. Miniturization of electronics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's pandora's box baby. I work in automotive security, and even if we airgap systems, we basically can't assume that all systems will be airgapped. It's so easy for an owner (or even a non-owner, clandestinely) to install a tiny piece of hardware with an internet connection that bridges to a previously airgapped system. The miniturization of electronics will be a security nightmare for the years to come.

  9. The genuine original chips do that too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The genuine original chips do that too!

  10. A cell phone inside the cell phone to send data? by BenJeremy · · Score: 1

    So fine, your screen part has a malicious "touch logger" capability... how does it send data? Oh yeah, it CAN'T.

    This sounds like FUD to make sure customers use the most expensive repair channel - the original manufacturer - to have the work done.

  11. New, more accurate headline by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

    "A hacked touchscreen can inject pre-scripted touch events into the event screen"

    Of course, this assumes:

    a) the device is unlocked

    b) the malicious driver can guess where the required touch zones are located (no small feat, considering the diversity of softkey layouts (e.g, Samsung vs Nexus vs LG vs HTC), homescreen launchers, and the layout of app drawers (depending upon what the user installed).

    c) Since malware (in addition to the driver itself) is almost a requirement (given a & b), the hardware itself is almost superfluous. At most, it might log touch events to its own local ram, then make them available to malware that knows how to use the attack chip (events Android itself might otherwise choose to not share with the malware).

    Put another way, under precisely the right circumstances, a mouse can be used to completely hijack a device's security (by guessing where to move & generating phantom clicks). And if pigs had gills, they could breathe underwater.

    The more likely scenario: a state espionage agency replaces touchscreen controller chips with hand-crafted replacements that include a simple radio transmitter so they can remotely monitor & log touch events. That's an ENTIRELY different challenge than implementing your own network stack or attempting to do naughty things over the i2c bus or as a USB peripheral.

    Put another way, this is a multi-stage attack that's SO outrageously complex, requiring so many resources from the attacker, and requiring so much knowledge about the state of the target victim's phone, even taking it seriously as a possibility of something that has happened to you requires venturing into the realm of conspiracy-theory paranoia. There are easier, cheaper, and more profitable ways to compromise a user's device without going so far off the complexity deep-end.

  12. You got trust backwards! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The software drivers included in both the iOS and Android operating systems are closely guarded by the device manufacturers, and therefore exist within a "trust boundary." The factory-installed hardware that communicates with the drivers is similarly assumed to be trustworthy, as long as the manufacturer safeguards its supply chain.

    "Closely guarded", i.e. unauditable, would imply that they are outside of any trust boundary: they would be the least trusted software components present on the system. And if the OS just happens to treat them as more trusted, that's merely a hilariously disastrous design flaw. But not unexpected, since most of us run fairly shitty OSes on our handhelds.

    And as for the bigger picture, it's not news that "if you didn't build it, then you don't know what it does." That's the big problem with handheld PC hardware right now: almost nobody builds it themselves (as opposed to ATX, etc form factor systems).

    BTW, whining about "malicious hardware" getting added to your phone is kind of funny. Most people knowingly buy phones already containing malicious hardware on purpose, planted by the manufacturer, without any subterfuge or denial. This isn't even an "open secret," it's just open. Apple's phones have stuff that directly works against the user to prevent them from installing whatever software they want, many Android phones contain hardware to allow the to be compatible with DRM, etc. You know you are buying a computer intended to serve someone else at your expense at the time you put down your money. And also, for all you know, some government pointed a gun at the manufacturer and it might contain a key logger already. Why wouldn't it?

    (This is all somewhat related to why I still haven't put my phone on my VPN. I just assume it's compromised, because there are so many ways that it might have been, and by so many different parties. Yes, I hate my phone.)

    This is the case for all iOS users (nobody can buy a trustworthy iOS device) and a vast majority of Android users (trustworthy Android phones probably exist, though I don't happen to know where to get one). In many ways, the handheld computer situation is actually worse than the desktop situation of the 1990s. In terms of security, these are not good times.

  13. Omg! Thanks for the warning. by easyTree · · Score: 1

    I'll be sure to pay out the a$$ for the expensive parts with spyware approved by the shiny people.

  14. You fools and your so-called 'smartphones' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're all getting the grief you deserve for wasting your time, money, and attention on what amounts to a shiny toy. We got along just fine without smartphones before they showed up, but now you're all like a bunch of drug addicts, you can't go 5 minutes without checking your goddamned stupid Facebook or whatever other social-media nonsense you waste your time on, or play some dumbass game, or light money on fire by 'streaming' video from somewhere because you can't BEAR to be bored, ever. You're like little kids with overly-permissive parents, spoiled rotten and totally out of control. You're going to pay for it one way or another when you have ZERO privacy in your life, and get your identities stolen repeatedly, and your life savings drained away. I have nothing but contempt for all of you and will point and laugh when you're utterly ruined.

    1. Re:You fools and your so-called 'smartphones' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay so you are the modern day, "guy who doesn't own a TV."

  15. Who do you trust? Really? by gillbates · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ken Thompson's Reflections on Trusting Trust is well worth a read. Long story short, anyone with access to the hardware/software stack of your machine can compromise its security.

    These attacks are not merely theoretical. The key to good security is to make the cost of compromise greater than the value of whatever would be received by doing so. For the average person, their privacy is not worth the effort of surrepitiously installing hardware. However, if you're a Palestinian terrorist... You may just want to have someone else purchase/service your electronic devices, as the Israeli equivalent of the CIA has planted explosives in the cellphones of Palestinians (and successfully carried out assassinations this way.)

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  16. If i were Apple or Google i would finance this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If i were Apple or Google i would finance this to discourage third party cheap parts and repairs... devious.

  17. stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How hard would it be to monitor and log the transmissions through your router to detect what your device is doing?

  18. how do you trust the original? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    by this line of reasoning, how do you trust the original equipment you get? how would you ever know the original parts had not been tampered with?

  19. You should always order by mail or Amazon by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    This just shows that you should always order by mail order or by Amazon, so that the NSA can install their own chips inside instead of the other ones a repair shop would install.

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  20. Re:Who do you trust? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ken Thompson's Reflections on Trusting Trust is well worth a read. Long story short, anyone with access to the hardware/software stack of your machine can compromise its security.

    These attacks are not merely theoretical. The key to good security is to make the cost of compromise greater than the value of whatever would be received by doing so. For the average person, their privacy is not worth the effort of surrepitiously installing hardware. However, if you're a Palestinian terrorist... You may just want to have someone else purchase/service your electronic devices, as the Israeli equivalent of the CIA has planted explosives in the cellphones of Palestinians (and successfully carried out assassinations this way.)

    ... and Palestinians are naturally the default examples of terrorists, because resisting an illegal, brutal foreign military dictatorship is 'terrorism'.