Is the EU really trying to be that anti-business? Do mom and pops have to open stores throughout the EU if they open one up in, say, Germany? Are they required to be online retailers? The EU is kind of being a little stupid.
As long as they still make smartphones, use any form of technology with any components from China, or hire contractors from China...Google is STILL doing business with China.
So don't use the products? You're complaining and the fact of the matter is that 90% of Google's target audience doesn't hold the same values you do. In Googleland you're the product, not the customer. It's parasitic symbiosis, if such a thing can exist. They will do what they can to keep you engaged so that they can collect the data and sell it so they make their profit. The benefit you get is that usefulness of products and an engaging enough experience. But yes, you throw away privacy. If you want Google to do what Apple does you're gonna need to pay $1500/phone + support contract and at some point you'll be forced to upgrade. Don't like it? Don't use the products.
Almost assuredly the vast majority of users of Linux OS cannot and do not ever maintain the kernel and are not capable of doing so. What good are sticks and dry grass if one doesn't know how to employ them to make fire? Just because you CAN make fire doesn't mean the person who needs it knows how and in many cases they may not fucking care how to make it. They just want to be warm. That is what a lot of open source advocates can't seem to grasp.
My bank has a special feature that masks routing and account numbers. The routing number shows up as ######### and my account number shows ups ############. Weird, it even works on Slashdot.
I think, in general, the food itself isn't all that bad. It's the people who order a triple quarter pounder, a large fry, a gallon of coke, 2 dessert pies, a sundae, and then work a desk job and couch surf while repeating the same meal for supper who have problems. There's nothing inherently "fake" about any of their products.
None of that law invalidates other laws or prevents states from adding on more protections. It only "hurts" by establishing a better minimum than we have no. But I think it's funny that you've gotta defend Trump when I never mentioned him...he's not the ENTIRE Republican party. Project much, snowflake?
State privacy laws? You mean like the ones my state doesn't have? Where does it "gut" any existing law? Nothing in the law says that states can't add additional requirements and add MORE privacy-friendly laws ontop of this one. Or are you saying states should be free to not give a fuck? Because that basically makes my point: Republicans (aka "Red States") don't give a fuck. That's why my state doesn't really have data privacy laws.
The Data Care Act would be one such item, introduced by DEMOCRATS. The Republicans are against it and claim it is "detrimental" to the "free market". And the fines are working. Right to be Forgotten, for example has had Google make massive changes to how they operate in the EU. GDPR changed how Google, Facebook, etc all operate in the EU. Democrats protect privacy and the consumer. Republicans not so much.
So far the EU has hit Google with about $9.3 billion in fines over the last 3 years. Now, yes, that may still be "chump change" to Google. However the EU is at least willing to continue hitting them and the fines and actions will get bigger over time. Furthermore if the US repeated similar pro-consumer laws (instead of tossing their citizens under the bus of big corps) they'd REALLY not be in a good situation. But it won't happen. Republicans hate poor and middle class Americans. The Dems introduce legislation and the Repugs block it. Every single time.
The problem is a fundamental weakness in Democracy: people. With the expectation of a reasonable IQ, proof of education, and a nuance understanding of the issues facing a nation, the voters are at the mercy of others who they seek to summarize and highlight key issues that are deemed important to those voters. There's nothing wrong that, most people don't have the time/desire/energy/basic intelligence to dedicate themselves towards understanding the thousands of local, state, national, and geopolitical issues. They rely on news sources to condense that information. That's NOT bad. What's bad is a foreign power actively working to falsify information to attack that news source.
"But the US does it." You're right. We do. Generally towards weak and unstable regions who may have regional influences, but nothing major. Russia is actively engaged in doing this to the EU, the UK, America, Canada, and the Nordic regions. This is meant to destabilize the Western powers entirely. Russia has an interest in causing chaos so that they can continue to annex and invade sovereign nations in their region. People will end up dying from this, civilians and those who wish to remain separate from Russia. And that's the difference. The US does this because the US's interests are more trade, less terrorism, or some combinations therein. It's selfish, sure, but nothing quite like destabilizing an entire hemisphere of geopolitical players simply so you can annex more shitholes in Eastern Europe.
Look if these sites were satirical in nature, it'd be one thing. But these "news" sites are proclaiming to be actual journalistic news organizations. But they're more or less mouthpieces supported by and for prominent Republicans in their area. They exist to push an ideology. This is disturbing and the fact that after 2016's Fake News debacles, you'd think either party would be rather adverse towards creating yet more fake news. I'm disappointed in the Republican party...
I enjoy that this ignores many of the issues that Google brings. Apple doesn't spy on its users and sell that data to third parties. Google and companies that operate like them are having difficulty navigating under laws like GDPR, Right to be Forgotten, etc. Their only saving grace is that US Republicans still favor businesses over people. As attitudes change towards a more privacy conscious society (not all of us want our employers to be able to buy up marketing data to use in their recruitment processes), companies like Google will find it very challenging to operate in that kind of environment.
Apple has been making investment in its AI and has recently brought on key talent to revamp those services. But there should be no illusion, when you don't collect and store terabytes of data on each of your users, it may BE harder to develop amazingly accurate AI services. When you don't read every single email, message, and spy on every single bit of web traffic, it's more challenging to build up a picture of a person without all of the data points. I don't personally give a fuck that Siri can't read my mind. I don't want it to. I don't need someone to be able to make a call for me to setup an appointment. Those things I can do myself.
I addressed this point already. You decided to have a relationship with a company who has a relationship with the social media company you're trying to avoid. You're still not able to really claim any sort of "right". As far as your other point, it's called commercials. The program/show/movie you're watching is literally paused and you are bombarded with ads. On most networks the amount of ads comes in fairly often. The average 30 minute sitcom is only 22 minutes long. So more than a quarter of the show is advertisement. The put that in perspective, it'd be like Facebook stopping you from seeing or doing ANYTHING on their website for 16 seconds every 1 minute. And extensive research is done, certain families are paid to take on boxes that record what they watch and how long.
They don't have a right? It's their platform son. They make money doing this. You give them the right when you use their shit. When you go to a third party website that's using their code to track you, you've given that website permission to collect data on you and send it to Facebook. Stupidity is not understanding that the services you consume, including this one, costs a shit of money to run and manage. The people doing the work need/want paid for it. I don't want to be on an internet where everything is behind a paywall. Most people don't either - they bitch about them. But that's where we'll go to at some point. $50/year for 90 minutes/day for Youtube, $100/year for unlimited Google searches that return back 2 pages of results, $10/month for Facebook, $10/month for Snapchat, $10/month for whatever else.
Agreed. Those same wikileaks also demonstrated that Russia was actively working and spreading outright lies in The_Donald and other highly conservative Reddits. White Nationalists, racists, and sexists and most Republicans have tried to turn the site into their own collective version of shit. Their Subreddits outright ban alternative thoughts. It's quite disgusting what conservatives are doing in the name of being able to hold onto racist/sexist/rapist beliefs.
How so? How do open borders = death to the working class? Our most productive time in American history saw a large amount of immigration. The minimum wage ensures legal citizens are paid at least at the same starting point. Oh, you must mean those illegals, right? Hmm...and I wonder how they're getting jobs that place them below the federally mandated minimum wage? Oh, that's right, corporations. See an illegal in America doesn't work a job unless a company hires him to begin with. So the real death of the working class isn't Jose from Mexico, it's Bob the CEO from Fuck You, USA who is saying "I'm going to break the law and hire this person and pay them under the table at a severely reduced wage, because fuck America." Perhaps instead of a wall, we need mandatory background checks and employer new-hire reporting and auditing.
Like most conservatives, you'd rather government not get in the way of private enterprise's ability to spy on American citizens and sell it for a profit. After all, Profit > People for Republicans.
They wouldn't be so easily able to do this if corporations and for-profit companies didn't work to throw the American citizen under the bus in the name of $$$$PROFITS$$$$. It seems to me the real issue is that these companies are allowed to exist at all.
You gave them explicit permission when you signed up to use their service. I mean come on, morons, servers, employees, bandwidth, etc all cost money. What did you dumbasses think was going to happen? Are you gonna act surprised when you find out Gmail is a data mining operation for Google or that Youtube tracks what videos you watch, how long you watch them for, what you liked/save, and then proceed to build a profile about you to give that data to advertisers? Creativity isn't free. Work doesn't go unpaid. People love to hate on Apple, but they sell you a device and they price it to include the services. Google/Facebook/etc all subsidize their work and YOU become the product. Either tell them you're willing to pay the $10-$20/month it'd require to use their service normally or don't a bunch of shit on those sites. The above person's sense of entitlement (and that of those who think like him) is disgusting. You don't get something for nothing.
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Is the EU really trying to be that anti-business? Do mom and pops have to open stores throughout the EU if they open one up in, say, Germany? Are they required to be online retailers? The EU is kind of being a little stupid.
As long as they still make smartphones, use any form of technology with any components from China, or hire contractors from China...Google is STILL doing business with China.
Except like Microsoft has dumped all support of it.
So don't use the products? You're complaining and the fact of the matter is that 90% of Google's target audience doesn't hold the same values you do. In Googleland you're the product, not the customer. It's parasitic symbiosis, if such a thing can exist. They will do what they can to keep you engaged so that they can collect the data and sell it so they make their profit. The benefit you get is that usefulness of products and an engaging enough experience. But yes, you throw away privacy. If you want Google to do what Apple does you're gonna need to pay $1500/phone + support contract and at some point you'll be forced to upgrade. Don't like it? Don't use the products.
Almost assuredly the vast majority of users of Linux OS cannot and do not ever maintain the kernel and are not capable of doing so. What good are sticks and dry grass if one doesn't know how to employ them to make fire? Just because you CAN make fire doesn't mean the person who needs it knows how and in many cases they may not fucking care how to make it. They just want to be warm. That is what a lot of open source advocates can't seem to grasp.
My bank has a special feature that masks routing and account numbers. The routing number shows up as ######### and my account number shows ups ############. Weird, it even works on Slashdot.
I think, in general, the food itself isn't all that bad. It's the people who order a triple quarter pounder, a large fry, a gallon of coke, 2 dessert pies, a sundae, and then work a desk job and couch surf while repeating the same meal for supper who have problems. There's nothing inherently "fake" about any of their products.
Quit voting for Republicans then.
None of that law invalidates other laws or prevents states from adding on more protections. It only "hurts" by establishing a better minimum than we have no. But I think it's funny that you've gotta defend Trump when I never mentioned him...he's not the ENTIRE Republican party. Project much, snowflake?
State privacy laws? You mean like the ones my state doesn't have? Where does it "gut" any existing law? Nothing in the law says that states can't add additional requirements and add MORE privacy-friendly laws ontop of this one. Or are you saying states should be free to not give a fuck? Because that basically makes my point: Republicans (aka "Red States") don't give a fuck. That's why my state doesn't really have data privacy laws.
The Data Care Act would be one such item, introduced by DEMOCRATS. The Republicans are against it and claim it is "detrimental" to the "free market". And the fines are working. Right to be Forgotten, for example has had Google make massive changes to how they operate in the EU. GDPR changed how Google, Facebook, etc all operate in the EU. Democrats protect privacy and the consumer. Republicans not so much.
So far the EU has hit Google with about $9.3 billion in fines over the last 3 years. Now, yes, that may still be "chump change" to Google. However the EU is at least willing to continue hitting them and the fines and actions will get bigger over time. Furthermore if the US repeated similar pro-consumer laws (instead of tossing their citizens under the bus of big corps) they'd REALLY not be in a good situation. But it won't happen. Republicans hate poor and middle class Americans. The Dems introduce legislation and the Repugs block it. Every single time.
The problem is a fundamental weakness in Democracy: people. With the expectation of a reasonable IQ, proof of education, and a nuance understanding of the issues facing a nation, the voters are at the mercy of others who they seek to summarize and highlight key issues that are deemed important to those voters. There's nothing wrong that, most people don't have the time/desire/energy/basic intelligence to dedicate themselves towards understanding the thousands of local, state, national, and geopolitical issues. They rely on news sources to condense that information. That's NOT bad. What's bad is a foreign power actively working to falsify information to attack that news source.
"But the US does it." You're right. We do. Generally towards weak and unstable regions who may have regional influences, but nothing major. Russia is actively engaged in doing this to the EU, the UK, America, Canada, and the Nordic regions. This is meant to destabilize the Western powers entirely. Russia has an interest in causing chaos so that they can continue to annex and invade sovereign nations in their region. People will end up dying from this, civilians and those who wish to remain separate from Russia. And that's the difference. The US does this because the US's interests are more trade, less terrorism, or some combinations therein. It's selfish, sure, but nothing quite like destabilizing an entire hemisphere of geopolitical players simply so you can annex more shitholes in Eastern Europe.
Look if these sites were satirical in nature, it'd be one thing. But these "news" sites are proclaiming to be actual journalistic news organizations. But they're more or less mouthpieces supported by and for prominent Republicans in their area. They exist to push an ideology. This is disturbing and the fact that after 2016's Fake News debacles, you'd think either party would be rather adverse towards creating yet more fake news. I'm disappointed in the Republican party...
Why is it one or the other? The two can be mutually exclusive.
I enjoy that this ignores many of the issues that Google brings. Apple doesn't spy on its users and sell that data to third parties. Google and companies that operate like them are having difficulty navigating under laws like GDPR, Right to be Forgotten, etc. Their only saving grace is that US Republicans still favor businesses over people. As attitudes change towards a more privacy conscious society (not all of us want our employers to be able to buy up marketing data to use in their recruitment processes), companies like Google will find it very challenging to operate in that kind of environment.
Apple has been making investment in its AI and has recently brought on key talent to revamp those services. But there should be no illusion, when you don't collect and store terabytes of data on each of your users, it may BE harder to develop amazingly accurate AI services. When you don't read every single email, message, and spy on every single bit of web traffic, it's more challenging to build up a picture of a person without all of the data points. I don't personally give a fuck that Siri can't read my mind. I don't want it to. I don't need someone to be able to make a call for me to setup an appointment. Those things I can do myself.
I addressed this point already. You decided to have a relationship with a company who has a relationship with the social media company you're trying to avoid. You're still not able to really claim any sort of "right". As far as your other point, it's called commercials. The program/show/movie you're watching is literally paused and you are bombarded with ads. On most networks the amount of ads comes in fairly often. The average 30 minute sitcom is only 22 minutes long. So more than a quarter of the show is advertisement. The put that in perspective, it'd be like Facebook stopping you from seeing or doing ANYTHING on their website for 16 seconds every 1 minute. And extensive research is done, certain families are paid to take on boxes that record what they watch and how long.
They don't have a right? It's their platform son. They make money doing this. You give them the right when you use their shit. When you go to a third party website that's using their code to track you, you've given that website permission to collect data on you and send it to Facebook. Stupidity is not understanding that the services you consume, including this one, costs a shit of money to run and manage. The people doing the work need/want paid for it. I don't want to be on an internet where everything is behind a paywall. Most people don't either - they bitch about them. But that's where we'll go to at some point. $50/year for 90 minutes/day for Youtube, $100/year for unlimited Google searches that return back 2 pages of results, $10/month for Facebook, $10/month for Snapchat, $10/month for whatever else.
It's such a rarity these days that a (laugh all you want) dongle works good enough.
Credit Union. No BS fees, highly regulated, insured, professional, not bullshit like crytpocurrency.
Agreed. Those same wikileaks also demonstrated that Russia was actively working and spreading outright lies in The_Donald and other highly conservative Reddits. White Nationalists, racists, and sexists and most Republicans have tried to turn the site into their own collective version of shit. Their Subreddits outright ban alternative thoughts. It's quite disgusting what conservatives are doing in the name of being able to hold onto racist/sexist/rapist beliefs.
How so? How do open borders = death to the working class? Our most productive time in American history saw a large amount of immigration. The minimum wage ensures legal citizens are paid at least at the same starting point. Oh, you must mean those illegals, right? Hmm...and I wonder how they're getting jobs that place them below the federally mandated minimum wage? Oh, that's right, corporations. See an illegal in America doesn't work a job unless a company hires him to begin with. So the real death of the working class isn't Jose from Mexico, it's Bob the CEO from Fuck You, USA who is saying "I'm going to break the law and hire this person and pay them under the table at a severely reduced wage, because fuck America." Perhaps instead of a wall, we need mandatory background checks and employer new-hire reporting and auditing.
Like most conservatives, you'd rather government not get in the way of private enterprise's ability to spy on American citizens and sell it for a profit. After all, Profit > People for Republicans.
They wouldn't be so easily able to do this if corporations and for-profit companies didn't work to throw the American citizen under the bus in the name of $$$$PROFITS$$$$. It seems to me the real issue is that these companies are allowed to exist at all.
You gave them explicit permission when you signed up to use their service. I mean come on, morons, servers, employees, bandwidth, etc all cost money. What did you dumbasses think was going to happen? Are you gonna act surprised when you find out Gmail is a data mining operation for Google or that Youtube tracks what videos you watch, how long you watch them for, what you liked/save, and then proceed to build a profile about you to give that data to advertisers? Creativity isn't free. Work doesn't go unpaid. People love to hate on Apple, but they sell you a device and they price it to include the services. Google/Facebook/etc all subsidize their work and YOU become the product. Either tell them you're willing to pay the $10-$20/month it'd require to use their service normally or don't a bunch of shit on those sites. The above person's sense of entitlement (and that of those who think like him) is disgusting. You don't get something for nothing.