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IBM To Trace Food Contamination With Blockchain (cnbc.com)

Thelasko shares a report from CNBC: IBM has been joined by a group of global food giants including the likes of Nestle, Unilever and Walmart in an effort to reduce food contamination by using blockchain. The corporation announced Tuesday that it would enable global food businesses to use its blockchain network to trace the source of contaminated produce. IBM said that the problem of consumer health suffering at the hands of toxic food could be solved using its distributed ledger technology, which maintains a digital record of transactions rather than a physical one. It would enable food suppliers to source information about the origin, condition and movement of food, and to trace contaminated produce in mere seconds.

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  1. Food Consumers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would enable food suppliers to source information about the origin, condition and movement of food, and to trace contaminated produce in mere seconds.

    What about us food consumers? Can a brother get a link to a public API?

    1. Re: Food Consumers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      GET /food

      {"food": "shit"}

  2. POTUS contamination traces itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Russian whore urine, on videotape. Stupid nazis lol. "Oh he's so smart!" You can't make this shit up.

    1. Re:POTUS contamination traces itself by cunina · · Score: 1

      I'm fairly certain the "Russian golden shower" thing was fake news.

    2. Re: POTUS contamination traces itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am fairly sÃre that his shower must be gold and the liquid slightly orange

  3. A step farther by fibonacci8 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Will this help with willful contamination? Soy/corn/wheat byproduct are being added into previously non-soy/corn/wheat byproduct items as additives. Some of the time the additives are labeled, sometimes its "natural flavoring".

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    1. Re:A step farther by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The idea is that you have some sort of record so you can trace what happened, and "blockchain", being the latest buzzword, is supposed to make it hard to forge electronic records. The latter may work, maybe, depending on lots of things, but that can only make it hard to falsify later already existing records.

      It doesn't help with wilfully making up bullshit documents and doesn't somehow magically prevent contaminants to be added to the food itself, no.

      Also that possessive doesn't belong where you put it.

    2. Re:A step farther by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you eat the food, and then pass the waste to be used as organic fertilizer, will IBM be able to track you with the blockchain?

      If we go soylent green, and people are food, will IBM be able to track you with the blockchain?

    3. Re: A step farther by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully your handler can get your helmet back on you, and track you back home.

      Can ibm do that with blockchain?

    4. Re:A step farther by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get it. If IBM controls it, why not just a database? I think they're missing the idea of blockchain...

    5. Re:A step farther by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure why we'd want food safety monitoring to be either encrypted or decentralized....... both of those sound like the opposite of what would be good for consumers.

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    6. Re:A step farther by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Finally somebody gets it!

      >IBM and Walmart recently ran parallel trials in China and the US, demonstrating that blockchain can be used to track a product from a farm through every stage of the supply chain up to the retail shelf in just seconds, instead of days or weeks.

      As opposed to a database query, an excel spreadsheet, or a simple paper ledger? My hype detector has buried the needle on this one!

      The shallow problem here is compsci101: the GIGO (Garbage In Garbage Out) problem of information and reporting: 1) compulsory collection of information and 2) accuracy. In short, the quality of results is only as good as the quality of the inputs. Blockchain doesn’t solve either of these problems. In fact I think it masks it behind extraordinary complexity and gives a false sense of surety.

      And while there might be edge cases where a barista in Seattle wants to know which side of a hill his coffee beans were grown upon or which field lettuce was grown (Chipotle?), the deep problem is criminal behavior – adulteration, falsification, fraud. Three examples from recent memory:

      1. UK - Horsemeat in supermarket frozen dinners: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/22/horsemeat-scandal-guardian-investigation-public-secrecy “Guardian investigation uncovers complex international supply chain including drug and horse smuggling”
      2. China - Melamine in baby formula: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal
      3. US/China - poisoned pet foods : http://www.poisonedpets.com/alert-vets-warn-about-new-treats-from-china-poisoning-dogs/

      We gain a false sense of security by wrapping lies with technology, and really just end up burying the problem deeper. Like painting over rust or rot.

      I do not expect criminals to enter trustworthy data to rat themselves out, whether this data is written on a cocktail napkin, stored in a database row or recorded in a blockchain transaction.

  4. Why use blockchains? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought the main point of the blockchain system was to have a decentralized network to prevent customer/user abuse by a central organization.

    Why is that relevant here? What's the incentive to run one of these nodes? Is the blockchain method of searching for quasi random hashes really an efficient way verifying transactions?

    To me it really sounds like a PR stunt and they're just throwing the word word blockchain to mean "any digitally distributed ledger" which to me sounds like virtually any database system. Might as well call it transparent too? And eco-friendly since there's no paper! Revolutionary blockchain technology...

    1. Re:Why use blockchains? by hey! · · Score: 3

      Specifically blockchain creates a distributed audit trail that is for practical purposes protected by the massive computational resources needed to reconstruct it, and does it in a way in which pseudonymous parties can agree without trusting each other or even knowing who each other is.

      Clever as it is, very few applications really have all those requirements. That means that most proposed uses of blockchain are just pointlessly complicated and expensive ways of achieving things that could be accomplished with a few simple cryptographic and data representation conventions. In fact they make ordinary data management tasks incredibly cumbersome. If a bitcoin moves from Alice to Bob to Carol, Carol really wants to make sure that Alice doesn't repudiate the initial transaction with Bob. If company A mistakenly records a transfer to company B, in order to make that fixable you have to build an entire set of practices on top of blockchain to undo what blockchain is supposed to do.

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    2. Re:Why use blockchains? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      The ultimate PR stunt is going to come when someone 3-D prints the first blockchain.

    3. Re:Why use blockchains? by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 0

      There's some legitimacy to this. If you've ever seen a production environment of any kind people will fudge transactional logs all the time - though it usually doesn't matter because it's doing things like fixing a typo a month later. There is however the possibility that someone discovers something their company and in turn their group is responsible for that will just go away if they delete it or fudge the data, in which case it likely goes unnoticed or gets blamed on someone else. In the latter cases a blockchain system would make the process more reliable from an auditor's perspective because the log is either real (and they don't give a shit about typos anyway) or it is missing.

    4. Re:Why use blockchains? by flargleblarg · · Score: 1

      Specifically blockchain creates a ...

      Stop using "blockchain" as though it were plural. It isn't. It's not milk; it's not rice. It's a singular thing. You create a blockchain.

      When you say things like "blockchain creates," you sound like President Trump when he says "cyber is."

      Correct usage of the term is to say "blockchains create" or "a blockchain creates" or "the blockchain creates."

    5. Re:Why use blockchains? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Pedantic much?

      Actually IBM uses "blockchain" singular to describe its product. You can refer to "blockchains" if you refer to instances of blockchain technology collectively, or "blockchain" if you are referring to the technology itself; there is no practical semantic difference.

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  5. Yawn by sexconker · · Score: 3, Informative

    A blockchain is just a list.

    IBM is going to trace food contamination with a list.

    1. Re:Yawn by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      A while back, Europe had a scandal where horse meat was being used in frozen lasagna. It took a bit of detective work to find the supplier who was selling cow meat, but only buying horse meat. A Blockchain could speed up this detective work, with tamper-proof evidence.

      Of course, I can't imagine that Big Food are going to be totally happy with this solution. In principle, you could scan your tomatoes, and really see if they came from a hot house in Holland, or a sunny field in Spain.

      Big Food won't want to make their supply chain totally transparent to their customers.

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    2. Re:Yawn by deKernel · · Score: 1

      Then I would suggest you only buy your food from stores that get their supply from suppliers that support this mechanism. See, that way, you are coercing the supply to go the direction you want...kinda like voting with your pocket books. That is the nice thing about the blockchain technology: everything is out there.

      As a side note, you might be surprised as to just how many actually try to do the right thing.

    3. Re:Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe in the UK, but it was not a very big scandal elsewhere, where horse meat is not that much of a taboo. Some people really like its taste.

      We happened to buy some tinned goulash (?) that was one of the products affected. It tasted fine. Wouldn't mind buying again.

      FWIW, here's the relevant Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_horse_meat_scandal

  6. wow that was fast by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    How quickly technology used to conceal transactions by criminals became a technology to trace bad stuff.

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    1. Re:wow that was fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excellent job you've done showing how little you know about the technology.

    2. Re:wow that was fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excellent job you've done showing how you're a snippy little be-artch.

  7. New & Improved with Blockchain by mileshigh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Looks like blockchain is this year's marketing "it" word, just in time to replace cloud. E.g. "our new word processor is powered by blockchains."

    1. Re:New & Improved with Blockchain by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3

      Everything tastes better with Blockchain.

      It's like bacon.

      But you are correct, if someone tells me that they want to use a Blockchain, then they had better be able to tell me why they are using one, and what specific advantages over other technologies that it has.

      Using a Blockchain just for the sake of using a Blockchain does not cut it. In this case, they want to be able to exactly trace who bought a tin of fish bait, but sold it as caviar.

      That is legit.

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    2. Re: New & Improved with Blockchain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm going to start storing my email in blockchain, because blockchain. It's just like regular email, except blockchain.

    3. Re: New & Improved with Blockchain by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      I'm going to start storing my email in blockchain, because blockchain. It's just like regular email, except blockchain.

      This would actually help a lot, when IRS folks have multiple disk crashes and re-cycle backup disks.

      They'll find other ways to cheat, though.

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    4. Re:New & Improved with Blockchain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their pathetic "blockchain" technology cannot compete with my new disruptive, gamified, wearable, bigdata, IOT, blockchain cloud solution!

    5. Re:New & Improved with Blockchain by thesjaakspoiler · · Score: 1

      But does it have AI? Else your solution is already outdated for the 2018 buzz.

    6. Re: New & Improved with Blockchain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Theres an addon for AI called Skynet..

    7. Re:New & Improved with Blockchain by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      It's already on this years Bullshit Bingo https://twitter.com/paulbuitin...

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  8. Yawn-unbreakable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A list that can't be broken, or forged.

    1. Re:Yawn-unbreakable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But will it blend?

    2. Re:Yawn-unbreakable by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

      A list that can't be broken, or forged.

      Exactly. It is just a list for sure - but one where you can never go back and change anything.

      Like a traditional ledger is supposed to be but is not really in practice.

    3. Re:Yawn-unbreakable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? You should read up on blockchain poisoning. I find it amusing that IBM's blockchain ledger for tracing contaminated food can itself become contaminated.

    4. Re:Yawn-unbreakable by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Sauron should have made the One Ring out of blockchain, then!

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    5. Re:Yawn-unbreakable by flargleblarg · · Score: 1

      A list that can't be broken, or forged.

      Or bargained with. Or reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear.

  9. Digital record of transaction rather than physical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah yes, Walmart will save millions on ink and double your checkout speed when the cashiers no longer have to update the physical ledger books by hand as you check out...

    Serious question: Is there an actual explanation anywhere of how a block chain is supposed to be applied to (and improve) anything other than digital currencies? The video in the article is the best I've seen, and it's technical details amount to "math."

  10. Blockchain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And a blockchain is used for this because?

  11. IBM has ADD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A few weeks ago their solution would be "Hey Watson, where is the spoiled food?". This company has the attention span of a gnat.

  12. You hope so, anyway. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The thing is that the deeper you want to change something the more work you have to do, forging not just the block you want to change, but everything that came on top, too, because the blocks are chained.

    The question is, how much work is it to forge one block? In bitcoin, that's quite a lot of work. In the smaller altcoins, much less. And with this initiative? It all depends on just how exactly they run the thing.

    So "unforgeable" is not an inherent property, just something you could get if you play your cards right. But if you don't, then the whole thing just doesn't make much of any sense. The devil is very much in the details.

  13. How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does food get contaminated with blockchain anyway?

  14. The problem is in the "giants" themselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the blurb:

    > IBM has been joined by a group of global food giants including the likes of Nestle, Unilever and Walmart [...]

    There, that's our problem. Boundless, unrestricted, depersonalized greed. Enough money to buy *any* lawmaker. Enough money to wage the biggest disinformation war on stupid consumers.

    Blockchain sounds cool and appeals to us geeks, but that's just a way for IBM to get some part from the killing.

    Corporations: I've been watching this dirty game for too long to believe anything your marketing department vomits on us.

  15. Garbage in garbage out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They don't trust each other to store the record, yet they trust each other to make the data that creates the record?

    So what does blockchain add to this? IBM?

    I think any company is opening itself to litigation if they do this, because IBM are making claims not backed up by their technology, and their contract will dump liabilities onto the customer.

    Better to use proper legal escrow if you don't trust your suppliers record keeping and also don't trust your own contemperaneous copy of their records. But then if you don't trust your suppliers and your own staff, but do trust IBM, you have bigger problems.

  16. Next week IBM will introduce a penis size blockcha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There will be no more mistaken measurements after the first one.