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Iowa Computer Programmer Gets 25 Years For Lottery Scam (desmoinesregister.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Des Moines Register: Eddie Tipton, the Iowa brainpower behind a case of multi-state lottery fraud, will spend up to 25 years in prison for rigging "random" drawing jackpots. It's unknown how many years Tipton will actually spend in prison. He could be paroled within three or four years, his attorneys noted. Tipton, 54, was a longtime computer programmer in the Iowa offices of the Multi-State Lottery Association who installed software that allowed him to pick winning numbers in some of the nation's most popular lottery drawings. His scam began to unravel following unsuccessful attempts to anonymously collect a $16.5 million Hot Lotto ticket that was purchased at a Des Moines convenience store in 2010. "I certainly regret," Tipton said. "It's difficult even saying that. With all the people I know behind me that I hurt and I regret it. I'm sorry."

131 comments

  1. well i know one thing by shadowrat · · Score: 1

    At 54, he's someone who didn't like his job.

    1. Re:well i know one thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      At 54, he's someone who didn't like his job.

      Heh. Makes you wonder how many dissatisfied people did a one-off, and didn't get caught!

    2. Re: well i know one thing by bn-7bc · · Score: 1

      Wow out at 79 if he does all his time, not much life left then

  2. What a jerk! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    He should be ashamed for scamming stupid people out of their money...oh wait.

    1. Re:What a jerk! by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 2

      I was thinking that too. He scammed a company who makes its business by taxing the weak and stupid. Then a government who taxes them gets pissy because even though they would still get their cut, it might hurt future earnings from their voluntary stupid tax.

      These people glorify gambling in the eyes of children everywhere with billboards and commercials that look more like they're advertising Chuck'e Cheese than a addictive drug with almost zero (by almost zero, I mean zero... it's designed like that) chance of coming out ahead of where they started. The only reason there is a winner... ever is that they need to reel the suckers in.

      Historically, whenever I've wanted to call someone stupid and embarrass them publicly, I ask them "What's your lotto numbers" and when they respond, I say "I don't know what's worse... that you're the type of person that plays lotto or that you think that by choosing your numbers it will increase your odds"

    2. Re:What a jerk! by slew · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Historically, whenever I've wanted to call someone stupid and embarrass them publicly, I ask them "What's your lotto numbers" and when they respond, I say "I don't know what's worse... that you're the type of person that plays lotto or that you think that by choosing your numbers it will increase your odds"

      Although choosing your numbers won't increase your odds, it can improve the expectation value of your winnings (if you win a shared prize). For example, since many people choose numbers that have to do with dates, by picking random numbers that cannot be dates will decrease your expected loss value of playing the lottery. Doing this exercise once making them your "lotto number" is an efficient way to get this small improvement...

      Anyhow, you can now return to your standard mocking program...

    3. Re:What a jerk! by Monoman · · Score: 1

      IIRC you can also avoid playing 1,2,3,4,5,6 because something like 50k people play it each week which really eats into your share.

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    4. Re:What a jerk! by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't always picking the same numbers also slightly increase your chances of winning, in that you're only dealing with one set of random numbers (the winning numbers) instead of two (your quick-pick numbers and the winning numbers)?

    5. Re:What a jerk! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in 2016, in one draw of the UK national lottery, 5 out of the 6 balls were multiples of 7. (7, 14, 21, 35, 42). 4082 people had those numbers, but none of them matched the sixth number which wasn't a multiple of 7.

      As a result, they shared the pool for 5 numbers and each got about £15 - less than the £25 they would have had for matching three numbers.

    6. Re:What a jerk! by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      No. I think that's mathematically unsound.

      If you want to go on a thought exercise, imagine you're ...

      1) Rolling one die, and always trying to hit a predetermined number.

      2) Rolling two dice, and trying to get them to match.

      The odds will be exactly the same.

    7. Re:What a jerk! by houghi · · Score: 1

      It does not increase your odds. It reduces you winnings if those odds are met.
      Say that a payout is 80c with head an tails. You play for 50 cents, That mean if I play head and it is tail I lose 50c. If I win, I get 80c.

      Now if we BOTH play the same, payout is still 80c, so we get 40c each. "But there are many people playing so they would still pay out 80c"
      This was just an example. In Lotery they set a percentage of winning the first rang, then go down. So instead of winning 100MM, they only get 50MM.

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    8. Re:What a jerk! by operagost · · Score: 2

      You make a good point. The Pennsylvania Lottery has a cute puppet mascot, Gus, the "Second Most Famous Groundhog in Pennsylvania." He even has his own catchphrase, "keep on scratchin'". If he were working for a tobacco company, the lawsuits would have started flying immediately.

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    9. Re:What a jerk! by operagost · · Score: 1

      You know what? I'm stupid! The state "fixed" this like the "Bobs" in Office Space. If you're under 18, if you win your ticket is void and you can't collect your prize. Of course, you don't get your ticket money back.

      They fixed the glitch!

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    10. Re:What a jerk! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what's worse... that you're the type of person that plays lotto or that you think that by choosing your numbers it will increase your odds

      Assuming I'm understanding the "crime" he was convicted of, if it did increase the odds, that would be considered fraud!

      Basically, everyone who plays has the intent to commit fraud. It's just that nobody cares about the criminal intent, unless you win.

      This whole story is bullshit. If I'd been on his jury, I would stubbornly voted not guilty, to either acquit him or hang the jury. Not because he isn't a cheat (he is) but sometimes, what you cheat really does matter. This "crime" had no victim. Integrity and dignity of a lottery system?! Give me a fucking break!

    11. Re:What a jerk! by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

      It makes sense, but my stupid human brain is trying to make me believe that using the same numbers is a better idea still. I can't wrap my mind around two moving targets having equal odds as one moving target and one stationary target. Can anybody give me some kinda ELI5 on this?

    12. Re:What a jerk! by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Look, you'll believe it better if you do it yourself. Just type it out in Excel. With cut and paste it's about 8 seconds of work. You'll see 36 combinations with two dice, of which 6 are hits and 30 are not. 6/36 = 1/6, which is the same thing as a static die.

      Basically, the idea that there are "two moving targets" is wrong. There's a target. It doesn't matter if the target is moving or not, because the odds of any of the targets is the same. It doesn't matter if you always pick 6, always pick 1, or have some random number. The odds that the draw matches the target are still 1/6, regardless.

    13. Re:What a jerk! by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      And if you still don't believe that, dumb it down further to heads and tails.

      Do you really think that you're more likely to win if you always pick tails, than if you flip two coins and see if they match? It's 50% either way.

    14. Re:What a jerk! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have a pre-defined method to belittle people in public?

      Please reflect on that.

    15. Re:What a jerk! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, that's interesting! I was assuming that people would try to avoid recognizable patterns - the way they do when they're told to generate a stream of random numbers. But, perhaps in this case, the recognizable patterns give people a sense of control.

    16. Re:What a jerk! by torkus · · Score: 1

      No.

      Each roll of the dice is completely independent. The odds of getting 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 are exactly the same on any given day - even if they come in yesterday. Equally, each possibility is equally possible. It doesn't matter at all what you pick... ...except for commonly played numbers. If one of those do come in, you split the jackpot with many other people.

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    17. Re:What a jerk! by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

      Oh shit. This one hammered it home. "But if I always pick tails, I have a better chance of winning. Wait, I also have a better chance of losing." Suddenly, the dim lightbulb got a bit brighter. Thanks!

    18. Re:What a jerk! by johnw · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't always picking the same numbers also slightly increase your chances of winning

      No

    19. Re:What a jerk! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was beautiful to see. That 'aha!' moment is great!

    20. Re:What a jerk! by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      I can't wrap my mind around two moving targets having equal odds as one moving target and one stationary target.

      Imagine that instead of rolling the two (six-sided) dice together you roll them one at a time. Same result, right? The timing shouldn't make any difference. When you roll the first die any result will serve, so the probability of success is 100% and the problem can be simplified to the single-die case: you're trying to match a fixed number, which happens to be the result of the first roll. In the end it doesn't matter how the first value is selected. It wouldn't even make a difference if one die was loaded, so long as the other was fair.

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  3. Innocent! by galabar · · Score: 2

    He did it with a computer. So, he should be found innocent!!! ...or something...

    1. Re:Innocent! by galabar · · Score: 1

      There have been cases where people get less time for manslaughter, armed robbery, rape, and murder! Innocent I say!!!

    2. Re:Innocent! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The slashdot response you are making fun of is driven by the strange quirk of US law that often committing an offense with a computer will be much more harshly punished than an equivilent offense without.

      As a trivial example, downloading a song from a p2p network may be punished with up to five years imprisonment under the NET act - substantially longer than walking into the store and shoplifting the CD.

    3. Re:Innocent! by squiggleslash · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I wouldn't say that, but 25 years for rigging a lottery, when rape has been known to get a six month sentence and an apparently tearful statement from a judge upset about the damage he's doing to the rapist's life, seems... excessive. Even if he "might" be released after four years on parole it still seems ludicrously high.

      I get that white collar crimes are often underrated, but did this hacker actually ruin anyone's life? He didn't steal people's homes, he didn't wipe out anyone's life savings, hell he didn't even make people less likely to buy the official Blu-ray version of a movie, he just interfered with a gambling game to change who'd win it.

      25 years for that? That's absurd.

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    4. Re:Innocent! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stealing 16.4 million dollars isn't worth a long prison sentence? Thanks, Slashdot!

  4. I certainly regret... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...getting caught

  5. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This story lacks entropy

  6. His big mistake by Jeremi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    (Outside of deciding the break the law in the first place, of course)

    ... was going back for more. If you're going to rig a lottery, rig just one lottery, one whose prize will be big enough so you don't have to go back for more later. Then delete all traces of your hackery and never do anything illegal again. Otherwise a pattern starts to develop, leading to you getting caught.

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    1. Re:His big mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Greed will fuck u up, all the time. Get the money once, and stay away.

    2. Re:His big mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Was he actually legally allowed to play the games to begin with? I would think not, if you work for the company/agency in charge of the games.

      You see this a lot for contests were employees that work for the company cannot take part, or casinos which usually don't allow their workers to play games at the casinos they work for.

    3. Re:His big mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't know who he thinks he is. Only CEOs of mega corps and politicians can get away with robbing the system. Not peons like him!

    4. Re:His big mistake by argumentsockpuppet · · Score: 1

      Okay, good point. Related, how does this not get audited and caught before it gets implemented? Shouldn't there be more checks than one guy could bypass?

    5. Re:His big mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know if there is a law against it, but as an employee, there was certainly a policy against employees playing.

    6. Re:His big mistake by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      ... was going back for more. If you're going to rig a lottery, rig just one lottery, one whose prize will be big enough so you don't have to go back for more later. Then delete all traces of your hackery and never do anything illegal again. Otherwise a pattern starts to develop, leading to you getting caught.

      Probably more sensible would be to rig it so you can get small payouts whenever you want. Most folks wouldn't consider that horribly suspicious, and if someone catches you winning $1,000 twice, you can just claim you play a lot and are lucky. You can even get other people (a different person each time) to go pick up your winnings, with a reasonable expectation they won't run off with it or turn you in. Your only real worry would be an IRS audit.

      However, NOBODY is going to look at a former lottery programmer caching in a $million+ ticket and not find that suspicious, and there's nobody who they could trust to cash in that ticket for them and not to try to cheat them once they have the money.

    7. Re:His big mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Downmod parent. It's not insightful, it's exactly what the guy tried to do. He was caught because he was unable to anonymously redeem the ticket. The 'pattern' of his several other known small fixed drawings was one the authorities were completely ignorant of until they started looking into the "one whose prize (was) big enough so (he didn't) have to go back for more"

    8. Re:His big mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to work for the company that printed scratchers. I was not allowed to buy scratchers during, and for 7 years after employment. Not that I would buy them anyway...

    9. Re:His big mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well since most of the time scratchers have low value prizes that you can generally claim at the same store you bought them, it seems like that would be pretty easy to anonymously get away with. Unless you are required to present ID when you claim the prize? I'm not sure, I have never played a scratcher

      I only ever play lotto when it gets to insane jackpot values, like tonight's powerball.

  7. My big mistake by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    My big mistake was to mine reddcoins instead of mooncoins.

    Uh, wait...

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  8. sorry he got caught? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    given his constantly excuses I think the only thing he is sorry for is that he got caught.

  9. don't go for the big prize keep it small under X by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    don't go for the big prize keep it small under X that can be paid out by the local lotto store is unlike to rise a flag even more so then there like 1000's of them in a urban area. At least 30+ within 4 miles.

    The big prizes lead to audits

  10. the ball based ones are harder to rig and easier t by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 3, Informative

    the ball based ones are harder to rig and easier to test for loaded balls. Not some software with an RGN that can be hacked or worked out due to it being buggy.

  11. He should have robbed banks for less jail time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    25 years? You get less time for manslaughter or armed robbery.

    The doctors charging ObamaCare with scam services never provided scammed more money than this guy and I bet they get 5 years -- if they do any prison time.

    1. Re:He should have robbed banks for less jail time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The whole US health care scam runs to the tune of $2T a year. Nobody in jail. Everybody whining that they need another blood funnel called "healthcare" jammed in as well..

    2. Re:He should have robbed banks for less jail time by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's a difference.

      Killing someone or popping off a minimart isn't cheating the government out of taxes.

      Rigging the lottery could impact lotto ticket sales which could cost the government millions in lost revenue from taking advantage of the poor and the weak.

      Publicly flailing this guy for messing with the system builds confidence in the people that the government is out to protect their interests and guarantee their 1 in 292,201,338 (powerball) or as they say "The overall odds of winning a prize are 1 in 17.22" which means that since the vast majority of prizes is the cost of your ticket back, you would have to spend $17.22 to win $1.

      I can't find ANYPLACE that explains Iowa State's Megamillions game play or odds. If they are similar to most others, then it's probably something like 1 in 7.1 million odds. The break-even chances are probably in the ballpark of 1 in 15 overall.

      So that being said... the only people who would ever play this are people who are simply too stupid to figure out that that $5 a week they spend is really $260 a year or $5200 every 20 years which is a luxury cruise for two plus airfare when you retire. So, after 50 years of work, you can be guaranteed at least a little bit of the rich life... or you can pay the stupid tax and wonder why when you retire that you can't do those nice things.

      The government will always punish harshly anyone who threatens their ability to tax the stupid.

    3. Re:He should have robbed banks for less jail time by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So that being said... the only people who would ever play this are people who are simply too stupid to figure out that that $5 a week they spend is really $260 a year or $5200 every 20 years which is a luxury cruise for two plus airfare when you retire. So, after 50 years of work, you can be guaranteed at least a little bit of the rich life... or you can pay the stupid tax and wonder why when you retire that you can't do those nice things.

      I think you're leaving out the desperation factor. If you know for a fact the wealth you need to do anything substantial with your life is based on chance encounters, who you know and how well you can sell out others without getting caught and you have a reasonable assessment of your life while not being born into a billionaire family, you know that's not you. It's a case of 0% chance of ever achieving anything of note vs a 1-in-a-few-hundred-million chance. The lottery is infinitely better odds than zero.

    4. Re:He should have robbed banks for less jail time by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      We're talking about that most heinous of crimes: theft of money.

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    5. Re:He should have robbed banks for less jail time by jvanber · · Score: 1

      Lighten up. Looking at everything in life as a math formula or a calculated risk is boring. Some of my fondest memories were of doing things that probably weren't a very good idea.

      Once the Lottery gets up this high, casual people start buying tickets, which really makes the jackpot jump. That's usually when I will buy a ticket, too. I realized the stupidity behind the a) chances of winning, and b) the fact that a shot at a mere 300 million isn't worthy of my $2. However, it does make a great escape, imagining yourself as one of the super-rich.

      I'd say that $2 investment provides a much greater entertainment value, and discussion with my wife and friends, than does seeing half of the movies out there, to the tune of $10 each.

      Also, have you ever tried to explain your logic to someone who won? I'm sure they'd love to hear how incredibly stupid they were. =D

    6. Re:He should have robbed banks for less jail time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't find ANYPLACE that explains Iowa State's Megamillions game play or odds.

      The emphasis is incredible. There's this thing called "google" where you can put in search terms like "megamillions" and "rules":

      http://www.megamillions.com/how-to-play

    7. Re:He should have robbed banks for less jail time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or $5200 every 20 years which is a luxury cruise for two plus airfare when you retire. So, after 50 years of work, you can be guaranteed at least a little bit of the rich life.

      You think $5200 is going to be worth more than one month's rent in another twenty years? Hilarious.

    8. Re:He should have robbed banks for less jail time by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      So that being said... the only people who would ever play this are people who are simply too stupid to figure out that that $5 a week they spend is really $260 a year or $5200 every 20 years which is a luxury cruise for two plus airfare when you retire. So, after 50 years of work, you can be guaranteed at least a little bit of the rich life... or you can pay the stupid tax and wonder why when you retire that you can't do those nice things.

      Here is what I disagree with on this part. I understand why you want to call those who play lottery stupid because majority of them wasted their money on it. However, would you still call those who won "stupid" too even though they may not know the maths you explained? Your maths shows that the risk is very high, and it is correct. But why do people still play? Because if they think that the reward is high enough for the gamble (subjective feeling), then they will play. Would that be called stupid? I don't think so unless they sold their house or put all their retirement funds on lottery and lost.

      Theoretically, it is stupid to play unless you are on the winning side (which is very slim). However, I would call those who won stupid if they don't know how to manage the reward and spend it all without saving for their own retirement.

    9. Re:He should have robbed banks for less jail time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Killing someone or popping off a minimart isn't cheating the government out of taxes."

      Not exactly, killing someone reduces the tax base .

    10. Re:He should have robbed banks for less jail time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...$5 a week they spend is really $260 a year or $5200 every 20 years which is a luxury cruise for two plus airfare when you retire.

      Typically the big lottery drawings are twice a week. So let's say someone buys a lottery ticket immediately after each drawing and then spends the next couple days before the drawing feeling hopeful and happy thinking about the possibility that they might win. Maybe they even have some fun conversations with their spouse about the good things in life that are pleasant and fun - and maybe they even get a little clarity about what's really important to them.

      So how does a lifetime of feeling hopeful and happy and having fun conversations with your spouse about the things in life that you enjoy and are pleasant - balance against a week or two on a "luxury cruise" at the end of your life when your health is failing? It's not clear to me that the luxury cruise actually wins on total happiness.

      Now, if someone is playing the lottery out of a sense of overwhelming desperation and misery. That may be a good sign that the person needs to make some changes to their life. And, given that somewhere around 20,000 children a day die of poverty, there are questions about the ethics of spending money solely to make yourself richer. But simply in terms of being happy, it's not clear to me that buying a lottery ticket or two every week is really all that stupid.

    11. Re:He should have robbed banks for less jail time by vjg · · Score: 0

      If the victim was poor, the tax loss is minimal and maybe even a net gain when all the tax credits aren't used. If the victim was rich... estate taxes.

  12. Re:don't go for the big prize keep it small under by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's was my reaction. Take out just enough, in cash, that with your probably meager pay you're doing pretty well for yourself. Then I noticed where he's from: Iowa. If you lived in New York City you could cash a couple dozen lottery tickets a week an never visit the same lottery agent twice, but if you lived in Cedar Rapids you'd get noticed eventually.

    Still, trying to take out over a million bucks is crazy. In most states you can't take a large lottery prize anonymously, which he should have known.
     

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  13. Re:the ball based ones are harder to rig and easie by bugs2squash · · Score: 2

    you only get to hear about the ones they discover though. Maybe the ball tampering they detect isn't the first occurrence

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  14. Two things by quonset · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1) This is why the names of lottery winners are made public. There may be an exception or two, but the vast majority of states require the person's name to be made known.

    2) In Pennsylvania, it is illegal for employees of the Lottery Commission, and their immediate families, to play any lottery games, even the small(er) daily drawings and scratch off tickets.

    Sure, he could have given the big prize to someone else to collect, but then he'd either have to split it or risk the person keeping it all because he couldn't say anything.

    1. Re:Two things by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      2) In Pennsylvania, it is illegal for employees of the Lottery Commission, and their immediate families, to play any lottery games, even the small(er) daily drawings and scratch off tickets.

      That sounds like an unconstitutional law there. Prohibiting an employee is one thing, but prohibiting other people, especially adults, is quite another. Does that include parents or adult children? It wasn't their choice for the employee to take that job, and has no bearing on them.

    2. Re:Two things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you allow their spouse to compete, then it's too easy to just get the spouse to claim the fraudulent prize.

      That said, they could just get their best mate to do it instead.

    3. Re:Two things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you don't have an unqualified constitutional right to play the lottery.

    4. Re:Two things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you don't have an unqualified constitutional right to play the lottery.

      You have a legal right to engage in lawful activities, that's close enougfhtht for me.

    5. Re:Two things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have a right to a contract with a particular company, unless they're refusing to serve you because of your gender etc.

    6. Re:Two things by The+Creator · · Score: 1

      or risk the person keeping it all because he couldn't say anything.

      He couldn't threaten to report the other guy, but he could threaten to commit crimes against him.

      The other guy could do the same in return, but would he really want to go down that path, when there is $16M to share.

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    7. Re:Two things by johnwallace123 · · Score: 1

      You have a legal right to engage in lawful activities, that's close enougfhtht for me.

      You also have a legal right to choose to NOT engage in lawful activities. In this case, employees of the lottery commission choose NOT to play the lottery, and in exchange, they get a paycheck from their employer. The immediate family also presumably benefits from this compensation and also waives their "legal right" to play the lottery.

      It's simple: if you want to play the lottery, don't work for the lottery commission. There are very similar rules in most areas of legalized gambling; I know that Vegas also has rules about regulators gambling. As a regulator, you want to avoid even the appearance of impropriety.

    8. Re:Two things by Rolgar · · Score: 1

      I have a cousin who is a manager of some sort in the Kansas lottery system. Her mom told me that she and her husband are not allowed to play lottery games due to their relationship to her.

      It makes sense. If they win a big lottery, how can you guarantee that the employee didn't have a conflict of interest where they rigged a game, her parents win a lottery, and they share the money with her either now, or later if she gets any inheritance?

    9. Re:Two things by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      What's "immediate family'? Are adult children included? How did they waive their right to play? They're not benefiting from the compensation.

      It's simple: if you want to play the lottery, don't work for the lottery commission.

      This is fine logic for the employee. For other adults, not so much. If my nearly elderly mother got a job with the lottery compensation tomorrow, why would that preclude me from buying a lottery ticket? I had nothing to do with that choice of hers. And the lottery isn't a private company anyway, it's run by the state government, so I don't buy the idea that they can choose who's allowed to play. Remember also, the previous poster said it was **illegal** for family members to play, which is far beyond a private business refusing to do business with particular people.

    10. Re:Two things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Winners can hide behind trusts represented by lawyers. On the lottery website it will say "The such and such trust" as the winning entity.

    11. Re:Two things by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Many anti-discriminatory laws are statutory rights rather than raw constitutional ones (and those that are are usually derived from an explicit amendment rather than implied in general.)

      So there is nothing stating some inherent right to partake in a lottery if you have a relative who works for it. Meanwhime there is probably plenty of evidence of scam behavior involving relatives, so the reasoning behind the law isn't pulled out of the blue.

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    12. Re:Two things by houghi · · Score: 2

      Two other things:
      1) In Belgium names will not be known, unless they put it out themselves
      2) The lottery is PROUD that their people can play, if they so like, because they KNOW how secure it is and not possible to crack.

      If you do not allow some people to play, you say that the system is hackable and thus not to be trusted. It would be the same as if people who wrote gpg or pgp would not be able to use it, because they could hack it.

      So the 2 points you give prove that it is not secure. At that moment you are just waiting for something to go wrong. And then it did.

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    13. Re:Two things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure you could buy a ticket, however the lottery rules say they won't pay you. Good luck getting a court to say they have too.

    14. Re:Two things by Etcetera · · Score: 1

      You've got it backwards.

      It's: You are prohibited from playing the lottery if you have a family member who works for them.

      And this is a pretty long-running type of condition that's used in all sorts of situations. I'm sure it's been tested in courts. Most family members (and persons living in the same househod -- i.e., roommates) of employees of a radio station or any affiliated or partnered company aren't able to take part in radio promotions or contests either.

      When you don't have a prohibition like this, it's too easy for the trusted/audited company workers to skew the results, like in the McDonald's Monopoly scandal a decade or so ago.

    15. Re: Two things by KGIII · · Score: 1

      That was tough to find out. Google eventually turned up NH's rules, which were more specific. It only applies, for them, if you're in the same household. Other States may vary, but that's what NH does.

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    16. Re:Two things by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I don't buy it, sorry.

      What is McDonald's or a radio station going to do if a family member ignores this and plays anyway? Simple: they do nothing unless they win. Then if they do win, the company simply rejects them, and moves to the runner-up. The radio station or McDonald's do NOT have the power to throw someone in jail for ignoring their rule. These are not laws, they're rules.

      According to the prior poster, this thing about the lottery is a *law*; he specifically said it was *illegal* for family members to play. That sounds like unconstitutional BS to me. (Remember, the lotteries are actually run under the auspices of the state governments.) Private companies can make up whatever rules they want for the most part, but their enforcement of them is limited mainly to simply refusing to award payouts (or give discounts to etc.) people who they deem disqualified. Things are different for governments; the idea that someone could go to *jail* because they decided to buy a lottery card is quite repugnant.

    17. Re:Two things by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      And that's fine; that's no different from being a family member of a McDonald's employee and winning their monopoly promotion or whatever. McD's will simply refuse to pay out. They have that right.

      That's not what's being discussed here. The prior poster asserted that it was **illegal** for family members to play. That means you go to jail! That's unconstitutional IMO. (Or, the poster was incorrect about it being illegal.)

    18. Re:Two things by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      You don't, but that's not the problem. What happens if her husband decides to buy a ticket anyway? Are they going to throw him in jail? That's my problem here.

    19. Re:Two things by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      You don't have a right to a contract with a particular company

      But this is different: as I understand it, the lottery is run by state governments, or at least under the auspices of a state government. It's not just some private for-profit company like McDonald's running a Monopoly game promotion, or a casino. Governments should not have the right to refuse service to just about anyone.

  15. Re:the ball based ones are harder to rig and easie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RGN... WTF?

  16. regret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I certainly regret [getting caught]."

  17. He regrets it by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    What he regrets is they have caught him. Why do so many miscreants even bother to say that they regret what they have done, when it is obvious that what they regret is getting caught?

    1. Re:He regrets it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Probably because if he doesn't state it, then it reflects badly upon his parole hearings. They're real big on making sure you regret your actions, so it's best to fake it if you don't.

    2. Re:He regrets it by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      But they do regret what they've done. They regret that they haven't done it better, right?

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    3. Re:He regrets it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Convicts basically have a gun to their heads telling them recite a script. They won't literally be shot for refusing to recite the script, but deadly force will be used to imprison them for longer.

      Until plea deals and parole are abolished, you can never trust anything remorseful that a convict says. The government has successfully undermined remorse, by undermining how we all perceive the "sincerity" of anyone under their power. We always know the convict is always lying. This is not a reflection on the convict's character; it's a symptom of the doubt created by government power being used to put words in peoples' mouths. (Shit, when I think of it that way, plea deals and parole might be First Amendment issues.)

  18. Are lotteries conducted by computer now? by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I thought this is why they have the video of people pulling the ping pong balls out of hoppers. I know at least Powerball (which is a MUSL lottery, same as where this guy worked), operates that way. It could still be scammed, but it requires physical access to tamper with the balls.

    If a computer is picking the numbers it seems like a conflict of interest since the list of known printed tickets could also be interfaced with the computer.

    1. Re:Are lotteries conducted by computer now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could still be scammed, but it requires physical access to tamper with the balls.

      Precisely. The use of physical analog devices to pick the numbers both ensures randomness and makes any tampering much harder to conceal. Voting should be the same way, physical and analog. Even with all of our advances in computerization there are still some things in this world that we cannot trust to digital.

    2. Re:Are lotteries conducted by computer now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could still be scammed, but it requires physical access to tamper with the balls.

      Precisely. The use of physical analog devices to pick the numbers both ensures randomness and makes any tampering much harder to conceal. Voting should be the same way, physical and analog. Even with all of our advances in computerization there are still some things in this world that we cannot trust to digital.

      You mention not trusting the digital, and that is a fair point, since even if you audit the code, did you audit the creation of every piece of silicon? Did you make sure no one brought any strange equipment by that somehow influenced the results? Sure hacking via RF waves would be difficult, but would it be impossible? Particularly if you had a machine to practice with? Things get vastly easier if it is possible for people to plug in something or somehow get to a service menu. Even if you protected the end terminals, are you sure you protected the entire chain? What is to stop someone from copying a data cartridge from a town of similar size but different political leaning and then submitting that, with or without further changes? If you can change the data in transmission, I'm sure there are a lot of qualified mathematicians who could figure out how much you could get by with without arising suspicion.

      Of course various republicans and probably some democrats take the easier route. They gerrymander or outright throw roadblocks up to make sure to deter the wrong sort of voter. That is the easier way to hack the system, well not easier than viral propaganda on facebook, but less likely to cause a fuss.

      As far as elections go, I'd just have a short booklet of election information certified by an independent body such as a set of random judges and a separate fill in the circle thing with a pen. Write ins can fill in a circle and then write a name. If the write in vote exceeds the others then you have to have people look at that field which could be scanned in to speed things up, with the option of doing a full manual tally.

      Of course, if the election is close you should probably tally it manually anyway, and some should at random be tallied randomly anyway, along with any that are statistically suspicious or requested by the other side, and random I mean with a provably random process.

    3. Re:Are lotteries conducted by computer now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prove to me those hoppers don't have a bias towards certain numbers too. They might be unpredictable on any one run, but that doesn't mean some numbers aren't more likely than others.

    4. Re:Are lotteries conducted by computer now? by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 0

      They have 3 different machines for the powerball which they swap between at random (computer pick, dice roll, don't know how) for each drawing, each of which is supposed to be random. If you do a statistical analysis on them with that bit of info in mind you can roughly group them into 3 distinct sets, but the overlap is too much to do so with more than about 60% accuracy. Once you've gone that far they are still mostly random - some balls might have dents or slightly different weights or starting conditions which differ based on the last run, but there's not enough information to correlate it well enough to pick a winning set of numbers in under a million tries.

    5. Re:Are lotteries conducted by computer now? by houghi · · Score: 1

      The ball picking is mostly not done as if it is a bingo. That is, they do not put their hands in the big bowl. At least not the ones I have seen. The fact that they pick it up and show it is pure for entertainment.

      There are some lotteries where they pick a ball, open it and then show the name/number. There it COULD be in theory be possible. In reality? Not so much. What they do afterwards is verify that the numbers that where not picked are still in there.

      The only reason this was possible is the identical reason why elections should not be done without a paper trail: because it is easy to do some things that nobody sees.

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    6. Re:Are lotteries conducted by computer now? by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      I of course can't prove this, but this isn't really a concern to me as a potential lottery player.

      Honestly if the balls are biased to some outcome, great. All of the numbers are available online back to the 90's -- write a python script that tells you the 'good' numbers and bet them like crazy.

      I'd love to find a roulette game which with a slight bias or a craps table with some crooked dice. That's only going to hurt the game operator as you can bet either way in all of these games.

    7. Re:Are lotteries conducted by computer now? by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      I worked in the Iowa gambling industry for a bit.

      Where I worked, the slots were all digital bingo. At one point they managed to convince a judge or regulator or someone that digital bingo that picked numbers with a computer was legit. And then they convinced someone that putting a bit of a facade in front of the game of bingo was legit. So every time you pull the lever on a slot machine in Iowa, it plays a quick game of bingo and if you win that, the three slots align on what your bingo-winnings resulted in.

      Realize this is also the place where they have a casino where they dug out a pit, filled it with water, put pontoons on the water, then built a casino on top of those pontoons, and covered up the rest of the water so they could legally say that it was a floating river-boat and not a free-standing casino because those have different rules.

      It's all bullshit all the way from the top to the bottom and the industry is feeding on lifeless husks of former people addicted to the glimmer of hope and easily distracted by gaudy lights and the gilding of wealth. God I'm glad I got out of that.

    8. Re:Are lotteries conducted by computer now? by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      Commentary on the gambling industry aside, that doesn't seem that shady, at least from a fair game perspective, just like an end around for a lawmaker who said 'bingo is fine' but was deathly afraid of slot machines. It sounds about the same as how they play craps (with perfect 1-in-6 odds per deck) with cards instead of dice in California because some lawmaker freaked out about dice but cards are OK.

      So long as your bingo-slot-machine plays a fair game of bingo (fair as can be achieved with a computer's RNG, I don't want to start that development debate on Slashdot), and pays out according to state guidelines on slot machine return, I don't really see the issue with using a bingo simulation as an (unnecessarily complex) source of randomness.

      It gets much shadier if you get into the realm of making it look like an 'almost jackpot' every time the bingo game fails and the spin is a loss. If that's going on Iowa needs better gambling regulators.

  19. Re:the ball based ones are harder to rig and easie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RNG

  20. Re: the ball based ones are harder to rig and easi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Random God Number

    777 You win!

    I'm not sure if this is supposed to be funny or stupid...just like the reply I'm replying to!

  21. You've Got To Cup The Balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's really the only reliable means to a happy ending.

  22. Re:the ball based ones are harder to rig and easie by PPH · · Score: 1

    You don't rig the drawing. You find a way to insert a record of the winning number being sold after the drawing. You get some blank lottery ticket paper and print yourself that winning ticket.

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  23. Re:the ball based ones are harder to rig and easie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eh, it still works. Randomly Generated Number.

  24. Got sloppy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Simple solution. Hire somebody to cash the ticket. Both parties get proof that they were conspiring to defraud the lotto, so if one screws the other, they have leverage to tank the whole thing and go to jail. This works provided both are about equally prepared to go to jail - so pick another fat 54-year-old. How old is creimer?

  25. light penaties by siamesevodka · · Score: 1

    I read the article. Looks to me like he is getting off light. May only spend 4 years in jail. Only has to return 3 million. How much did he and his companions steal? Story gets vague at that point. There is probably enough to go around to let him off early don't you think? I only believe that you should believe half of what you hear and none of what you see..

  26. Re:the ball based ones are harder to rig and easie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did something like that as a practical joke once. I worked as a clerk and had access to blank lottery paper. I took a few feet and a losing ticket. I scanned the ticket, erased the background and rearranged the numbers so that they were one number off from the winner. I had to tape the blank ticket on the edge of some printer paper to get it to line up and it worked near flawlessly. There was a slight smudge in the corner. But it looked like a real thermal printed ticket. I hid it in the store but never saw the results of my handy work.

  27. Good advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If you're going to steal, steal big." -My Mom

    1. Re:Good advice by diesalesmandie · · Score: 1

      "If you're going to steal, steal big." -My Mom

      Tell your mom I want my penis back

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  28. Re:the ball based ones are harder to rig and easie by arth1 · · Score: 1

    the ball based ones are harder to rig and easier to test for loaded balls.

    The balls can be manipulated in a lot more ways than loading them. Imperfect roundness, surface tension, expandability with temperature changes, vibration when exposed to ultrasounds - there are so many ways that are very hard to detect that may skew the odds of some balls being picked more often than others.

    But you still have a computer that has all the sold tickets registered, at least with a checksum to prevent forgery, and that's a big fat target. It doesn't help much if the balls are random if the ticket system is vulnerable.

  29. Re:the ball based ones are harder to rig and easie by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2

    The balls can be manipulated in a lot more ways than loading them. Imperfect roundness, surface tension, expandability with temperature changes, vibration when exposed to ultrasounds

    More difficult to do discretely. Even if you work in a position where you have access to the drawing machine and the balls, it's a lot more likely that some coworker notices you swapping balls with doctored balls. Not to mention the need to have them manufactured in such a way that they look exactly like the real balls. No off color, off smell, off sound when they bump, etc. And don't think about going to the same manufacturer as the original balls, he'd likely mention the strange order to your employer.

    - there are so many ways that are very hard to detect that may skew the odds of some balls being picked more often than others.

    ... and this will show up on some simple statistical analysis.

    Whereas by manipulating a computer-based PRNG, you could manipulate the numbers in such a way that not one number is more frequent than others, but that you could still calculate it if you knew the right formula.

  30. Re:the ball based ones are harder to rig and easie by Xenna · · Score: 1

    Ingenious of you to randomly shuffle the letters so that only crypto-experts like me know what you're talking about!

  31. Bayes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He regrets having done it because they caught him. So having been caught is a condition for the regret, but it's now a given so he can truthfully say that he unconditionally regrets.

  32. Re:the ball based ones are harder to rig and easie by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    ReaGaN.

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  33. Re:the ball based ones are harder to rig and easie by swb · · Score: 1

    I'd hope they go pretty far to prevent that from happening.

    1) Balls are cheap, so you keep a dozen sets of them, split into two pools, the use pool and the hold pool. A die is rolled to choose the set of balls used in the drawing. After the drawing, the die is rolled again and a hold pool box is put into the use pool and the recently used box of balls goes into the hold pool. This makes sure nobody knows which balls will get used and no way to keep a single set of balls in use consistently.

    2) Balls are locked away and it takes 3 employees to work with them under video surveillance.

    3) Frequent replacement of all ball sets.

    4) Chain of custody for all balls from manufacturer to lottery.

    This would make it really difficult to tamper with the balls or even know which balls would be used for any drawing or even how many times they might get used.

  34. This is the only way to win the lotto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Easy

  35. Re:the ball based ones are harder to rig and easie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They do that. They also don't permit people to touch the balls without gloves on as the oils in your hands affect the balls. They rotate through different ball sets each drawing and replace after a set amount of time.

  36. Re:don't go for the big prize keep it small under by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What he needed was a trusted accomplice.

    Someone he could trust to play it straight while collecting the winnings and be fair about dividing up the spoils.

    Have your agent do his/her thing, collect your share and play out your exit strategy.

    Retire to an island somewhere.

  37. Re:don't go for the big prize keep it small under by MTEK · · Score: 1

    In most states you can't take a large lottery prize anonymously, which he should have known.

    True, but I believe there are tricks around that. A competent lawyer can create a trust and the trustee collects and manages the winnings on your behalf.

  38. In a way i don't blame him by diesalesmandie · · Score: 1

    In a way I don't blame him; how did they let it come to the point that one person was able to game the system? Why didn't they have procedures in place to stop this? Or maybe why didn't they hold people who weren't directly involved accountable for not checking what this guy was doing? Easy to say in hindsight true but this wasn't on par with rigging a community raffle, there was MILLIONS of dollars involved.

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  39. I once said it was a fraud. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And was asked how do I know. I said no place I have ever worked was straight once on the inside, Be it Aerospace Military. If there is a way someone in or for power will abuse it.

  40. Re:the ball based ones are harder to rig and easie by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

    RNG

    Joe_Dragon was clearly using the French ordering. Randome Nombre généré .

  41. Re:don't go for the big prize keep it small under by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

    What he needed was a trusted accomplice.

    Someone he could trust to play it straight while collecting the winnings and be fair about dividing up the spoils.

    Have your agent do his/her thing, collect your share and play out your exit strategy.

    Retire to an island somewhere.

    And historically, this scheme hasn't been working very well because of human greed. Whoever is willing to be accomplice, the person is greedy. When the person sees that much money in hand, the person wants it all -- human nature. Very rare to see this scheme succeed...

  42. Let me get this straight, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The state can scam millions of the gullible citizens they are supposed to be looking out for by selling 'lottery' tickets. These tickets ostensibly go to help disadvantaged kids receive a decent education, when in reality they go to politicians so they can afford to not send their children to the crappy schools they run. Rather than taxing their subjects and using the money wisely, the state openly encourages gambling. At best 50% of the money goes to overhead that the lottery commission (the family members and buddies of the politicians) need to run this scam.

    It seems to me that this guy is not the real problem.

    The state is openly saying that if you do not buy lottery tickets you are a bad person who hates children. If this is the case I proudly hate kids and want them all to die horrible deaths, because that is how i roll.

  43. Re:don't go for the big prize keep it small under by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Therein lies quite a paradox.

    The people one could trust the most to carry out such a scheme are the same people most likely to be linked to you by an astute observer.

  44. Re:the ball based ones are harder to rig and easie by arth1 · · Score: 1

    1) Balls are cheap, so you keep a dozen sets of them, split into two pools, the use pool and the hold pool. A die is rolled to choose the set of balls used in the drawing. After the drawing, the die is rolled again and a hold pool box is put into the use pool and the recently used box of balls goes into the hold pool. This makes sure nobody knows which balls will get used and no way to keep a single set of balls in use consistently.

    It's still a problem if the balls all come from the same manufacturer.
    And, even if you manage to keep different sets, some of which are not bad, the bad ones are going to be used every now and then. That's enough to skew the results in the long run.

  45. Re:the ball based ones are harder to rig and easie by arth1 · · Score: 1

    More difficult to do discretely. Even if you work in a position where you have access to the drawing machine and the balls, it's a lot more likely that some coworker notices you swapping balls with doctored balls.

    Exploits like these are more likely to happen at the manufacturing side. (Just like with slot machines and voting machines, but I repeat myself.)

    ... and this will show up on some simple statistical analysis.

    There aren't enough drawings performed for a skew to be statistically significant. That, say, the number 8 is picked twice as often as the number 17 in 100 drawings is not in itself alarming. It would be more alarming if the distribution was too uniform.

  46. Re:the ball based ones are harder to rig and easie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has been done. It happened in 1986 and was done by the lottery number announcer Pennsylvania. He had numerous accomplices. He was caught because the accomplices who actually bought the tickets (and won) were investigated and got caught calling him from a pay phone from the location of some of the ticket purchases. They also bet on the winning numbers with bookies. Not exactly criminal masterminds.
    The purp only got two years though. Most of the accomplices got off scott free by turning states evidence.

  47. Re: don't go for the big prize keep it small under by KGIII · · Score: 1

    If it succeeded, we wouldn't know.

    --
    "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  48. Re: don't go for the big prize keep it small under by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

    If it succeeded, we wouldn't know.

    Right. But human nature usually urges them to brag or disclose to someone else. Still not easy to keep secret. So it is still rare...

  49. Re: don't go for the big prize keep it small under by Whorhay · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't bet on it being all that rare. This definitely falls under white collar crime, which gets a lot less press coverage and consequentially less funding, than violent street crime. Just look at the numbers for bank robberies from the FBI. The last time I looked in a good year the FBI was only able to identify half of the suspects. That doesn't even equate to catching half of the suspects. Bank Robberies are unlikely to not be reported as the FBI is responsible for them, and so you can bet that the numbers are pretty accurate. Banks are aware of the danger of being robbed and so have lots of cameras and usually armed guards on the premise. Robbing a bank is usually viewed as being a high risk venture even by the criminals themselves. So you have a kind of crime where the odds of getting busted are relatively high, but still only a 50% chance of being identified. I think that says a lot for the odds of getting away with white collar crimes, and especially when the fact that a crime was committed might not ever be realized.

    It would seem to be a self re-enforcing myth that people can't keep their mouths shut about crimes they've committed. In white collar crime it is highly likely that a person or organization wouldn't even realize they had been victimized. So law enforcement can only make guesses as to how much of it there is and the low hanging fruit that is easiest to catch is going to be the criminals that couldn't keep their mouth shut.

    This is similar to the low homicide rate, and insanely high closure rate for homicides in Japan. You could choose to believe that Japan just has much less lethal crime and that the police are magically more effective. Or you could notice that if a case doesn't appear to be open and shut, it won't be ruled a homicide. And on top of that attempted homicides are counted as homicides for reporting purposes while robbery homicides aren't.

  50. Re: don't go for the big prize keep it small under by KGIII · · Score: 1

    > But human nature usually urges them to brag or disclose to someone else.

    Does it?

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  51. Balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My balls can be loaded and manipulated. I invite attractive members of the opposite sex to test and manipulate them at will!