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Justice Department Walks Back Demand For Information On Anti-Trump Website (theverge.com)

After issuing a warrant to DreamHost for "all files" related to an anti-trump website, the Justice Department says it's scaling back a demand for information from hosting service DreamHost. The Verge reports: In a legal filing today, the Justice Department argues that the warrant was proper, but also says DreamHost has since brought up information that was previously "unknown." In light of that, it has offered to carve out information demanded in the warrant, specifically pledging to not request information like HTTP logs tied to IP addresses. The department says it is only looking for information related to criminal activity on the site, and says that "the government is focused on the use of the Website to organize, to plan, and to effect a criminal act -- that is, a riot." Peaceful protestors, the government argues, are not the targets of the warrant. The filing asks the court to proceed with the new, less burdensome request, which, apart from the carved-out sections, still requests "all records or other information, pertaining to the Account, including all files, databases, and database records stored by DreamHost in relation to that Account." It's unclear if DreamHost will continue to fight the new demand.

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  1. This is fine by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Troll

    Privacy and free speech only apply to people who support the president.

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    1. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      People who support the President would share everything with him anyway, their hearts, their minds, their wallets.

      Truly they care the best of us.

    2. Re:This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must have missed the warring protesters. I saw plenty of free speech coming from both sides.

    3. Re:This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course we support the president. Who else do you expect to support - perverts snowflakes?

    4. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Clearly not. Many who supported Trump are shut down from speaking out in public, disinvented to speak in public places paid for with tax dollars, violently attacked when gathering in a public place, had their private information released to the general public... in what way are Trump supporters getting special protection here?

      I don't agree with them or their choice for president, but I'd have to say if this was happening to Clinton supporters there would be major outrage. I know I'd be rather pissed off if my civil rights were being violated.

      We either have free speech and privacy, or we don't. if you're willing to violate them for political purposes, don't expect to have them when the pendulum swings the other way again.

    5. Re: This is fine by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have the right to free speech and privacy. But if you make your views known publicly, you can't assume you'll somehow magically be immune from the consequences. Want to be a Nazi in your basement, go right ahead. Want to be a Nazi out in the town square, then you have voluntarily surrendered your rights to privacy, and if your friends, family and employer no longer want to be associated with you because you believe the white race is superior and all the Jews and brown skinned people should be chased off, well, that's tough on you.

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    6. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't agree with them or their choice for president, but I'd have to say if this was happening to Clinton supporters there would be major outrage

      How many people did Clinton supporters run over, again?

    7. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Berkeley Nazis Now STFU NAZI!

    8. Re:This is fine by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I guess "free speech" now means running people down and actually killing them, according to the Right

      FTFY

      Congratulations on becoming everything you claim to hate..

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    9. Re:This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Privacy and free speech only apply to people who support the president.

      I guess "free speech" now means rioting, destruction of private & public property, and violent attacks and beatings, according to the Left.

      Congratulations on becoming everything you claim to hate.

      Strat

      Nice false equivalence. Congratulations on abandoning logic on a News for Nerds website. You have become everything scientific minds abhor.

    10. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have them give speeches at maralago.

    11. Re: This is fine by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh bullshit

      You have the right to free speech and privacy. But if you make your views known publicly, you can't assume you'll somehow magically be immune from the consequences. Want to be a terrorist AntiFa in your basement, go right ahead. Want to be a terrorist AntiFa out in the town square, then you have voluntarily surrendered your rights to privacy, and if your friends, family and employer no longer want to be associated with you because you believe socialism is superior and all the Jews and white skinned people or whomever is the alinksy-ite determined people to hate du jour should be chased off, well, that's tough on you.

      You're not going to like it when the tables are turned.

      Except that being a Nazi in most parts of the Western world are viewed as far worse than being an antifa thug. Sorry, that's just the way it is. I'm sorry your white supremacist beliefs make you into among the most deplorable human beings around. Maybe you should reconsider your hatred of minorities and your misplaced, and frankly idiotic. View.of your superiity, because what you really are is a pathetic whining snowflake whose misfortune is your own goddamned fault and not some Jewish conspiracy to keep you down.

      Grow up.

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    12. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You have the right to free speech and privacy. But if you make your views known publicly, you can't assume you'll somehow magically be immune from the consequences. Want to be a Nazi in your basement, go right ahead. Want to be a Nazi out in the town square, then you have voluntarily surrendered your rights to privacy, and if your friends, family and employer no longer want to be associated with you because you believe the white race is superior and all the Jews and brown skinned people should be chased off, well, that's tough on you.

      This meme of "Freedom of speech != freedom from consequences" is one of the stupidest fucking things I've ever encountered on this site. It is absolutely rampant, too. Do you really have freedom of speech if you lose your job, your friends, you family over your political beliefs? I trust you would support swathes of people ostracizing somebody who happens to publicly be an atheist, or a commie, or gay, right? No! Of course you wouldn't. And you'd be right to oppose maltreatment of others with unpopular opinions.

      "Freedom of speech != freedom from consequences" is a fancy way of saying "the mob should decide what is right and wrong to say." Apply your rule equally to all parties involved, or keep quiet when public opinion shifts against your ideas.

    13. Re:This is fine by Known+Nutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One major issue with the current political climate -- which you two have just perfectly demonstrated -- is the all or nothing approach, like the misguided loyalty to a football team that is so common in the US. Next to zero critical thinking or consideration of opposing views in current political discourse. Left vs Right -- that's all it is anymore. My side is always correct.

      Seems to be an anti-evolutionary and stupid approach to matters of critical importance, in my opinion.

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    14. Re: This is fine by ravenshrike · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Antifa knows they are loathsome piles of cowardly dog shit unwilling to actually stand up for what they believe in, that's why they wear masks when they throw cement filled soda cans at people and bash their heads in with bike locks.

    15. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many people did Clinton supporters run over, again?

      Clinton supporters don't kill people on sudden impulse like running people over while fleeing a crowd's attack. They premeditate and plan their murders well ahead and either use guns and try to make it look like a robbery or a suicide, or they use a TLA 'black op' to hack an 'enemy's' car and run it into a tree at high speed.

      Or, they just use a rifle to open fire on US Senators.

    16. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except that being a Nazi in most parts of the Western world are viewed as far worse than being an antifa thug. Sorry, that's just the way it is.

      You can't justify bad behavior by saying the other side is worse. Neither are acceptable. Sorry, that's just the way it is.

    17. Re:This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice strawman argument. Congratulations on abandoning logic on a New for Nerds website. you have become everything scientific minds abhor.

      Moron.

    18. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      b-b-b-b-but

      BULLSHIT

      I'm sorry you're so asininely stupid to believe that all conservative viewpoints equal NAZZIIIII.

      It's not rational, it's not logical but given your total lack of rationality and logic dealing with AGW it's not surprising.

      You're tearing down statues and rewriting history because NAAZIIISS. Is that rational or logical? No - it's not.

      People are ideologically hunting down and destroying people's livelihoods (if not physically destroying them out right) for political wrong think. Not just NAAZZIIISSS but anybody with an opposing view to your insipid groupthink. That's not rational. That's not logical. That's RELIGIOUS ZEALOTRY. (Yes, religion - you don't need a god to have a religion - Scientology has proved that quite well)

      BTW - look to your side for the anti-semitism bud.

      Grow the fuck up yourself and watch your back because, like in Venezuela, like in Russia, like in China, they'll come after you next.

    19. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Won't someone think of the poor, downtrodden Nazis!

    20. Re:This is fine by Known+Nutter · · Score: 1

      However, there are often issues where one side is demonstrably wrong and to deny that when it happens is equally unproductive

      Sure, but are layers of straw man arguments really useful toward achieving a productive dialogue?

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    21. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only all the people that support violent fascist antifa actions like MightyMartian and Rick Schumann would take responsibility for supporting actions identical to Brown Shirts and literal Jack Boots.

      Not even the hardest of the white supremacists are organized enough to have uniforms, social media networks and organized violence like what being investigated through this story.

    22. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WOW, the statement that pretty much promotes tactics used by the actual NAZI party to squelch opposition, and you deem them as NOT AS BAD. Did you advise Trump on his news briefing of Charlottesville? Sorry MM you have joined PopeRatzo into the epitome of what quite a lot of people do not like about the current progressive, liberal, group think mentality. Please go elsewhere to promote your ideals. Most people would like to get back to talking tech. Or at least so we can get back to the evils of Google [/sarcasm]

    23. Re:This is fine by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One major issue with the current political climate -- which you two have just perfectly demonstrated -- is the all or nothing approach, like the misguided loyalty to a football team that is so common in the US. Next to zero critical thinking or consideration of opposing views in current political discourse. Left vs Right -- that's all it is anymore. My side is always correct.

      Seems to be an anti-evolutionary and stupid approach to matters of critical importance, in my opinion.

      I agree , too.

      However, BlueStrat is demonstrably wrong, has a history of being demonstrably wrong, and comes from a long line of people who are demonstrably wrong. Oh, and "stupid". I have extensive data and metrics to prove it.

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    24. Re:This is fine by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sure, but are layers of straw man arguments really useful toward achieving a productive dialogue?

      You can't have a productive dialogue with people who are nazi apologists.

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    25. Re:This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't have a productive dialogue, period.

    26. Re:This is fine by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yesterday I saw an article about a yoga guy (or girl) urging students and teachers to embrace "gender justice". So either you are a gender justice warrior or your are a white supremacist, there is no middle ground.

      In this madness we miss things like this DOJ request, which can and should be fought against. It's simply too unimportant compared to white supremacy. And gender justice.

    27. Re:This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Left: Shut up and listen.
      Right: But-
      Left: SHUT UP AND LISTEN.

      That's as productive a dialogue anyone's going to get these days.

    28. Re: This is fine by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Let's be clear, that web site is a scammy public relations exercise to drive identity politics in order to exclude policy politics. Who paid for it and why is more important than who accessed it. Obviously part of a larger scheme to drive conflict and break up workers, to keep identity politics to the fore and drive policy back out of public purview, to keep the establishment powerful and the rest of us divided and weak. Fuck, your living conditions, the state of your genitals count for more whether natural or hacked to pieces. Fuck you access to justice, you colour identity counts more in the era of bleaches and dyes. Fuck your access to democracy, screaming about your religion and forcing it on others counts for more. Bullshit identity politics. People behind it should be investigated and prosecuted, especially those that paid for it with intent to generate violent outcomes (keep in mind a lot of the current shite is about a pack of criminals trying to stay out of prison, in and outside of government, with a bunch of idiots buying into the PR=B$).

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    29. Re:This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, but are layers of straw man arguments really useful toward achieving a productive dialogue?

      You can't have a productive dialogue with people who are nazi apologists.

      There's the strawman.

    30. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our Dear Leader is, indeed, double plus good.

    31. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This meme of "Freedom of speech != freedom from consequences" is one of the stupidest fucking things I've ever encountered on this site. It is absolutely rampant, too.

      It's everywhere now. It did not start here nor is the worst here.

      For some reason many liberals are turning to be no longer liberal. They are playing social shaming games, ostracism, and mob rule to get their way. It's all so very abusive. They think they are in the right to do it too, especially with this eye-for-an-eye self-styled oppression olympics where they are not fighting against anyone or they are being the aggressors.

      It's getting bad and I do not know how to prevent more people from following this path of malicious destruction where they turn away from liberal values to ensure "liberal" wins.

    32. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry but when one side is advocating equality for all and the other side is advocating genocide and ethnic cleansing - one side is obviously worse. Btw you all seem to have missed the part where the Nazi white nationalists we're shouting Jews will not replace us. I don't believe I heard anything like that from the antifa side.

    33. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh bs - we shut down radical Islamic terrorists with bombs like every other week. Yet somehow you are telling me that a guy in the USA preaching racial genocide should keep all his privileges? Screw that. Those white nationalists and Nazis are just as bad as the terrorists. This is America not 1930s Germany. We beat the Nazis then and we sure as hell aren't going to welcome them back now. If you think otherwise, you don't deserve the stars and stripes buddy. Get out of our country with that Nazi bs.

    34. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      go away, correct the record.

    35. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why I carry. Nazi or Antifa, I don't care. Anybody that threatens or attacks me gets two rounds in the face.

    36. Re:This is fine by The+Cynical+Critic · · Score: 2

      If this was just a regular peaceful protest then this would be pretty questionable, but seeing how they're trying to go after the people who showed up for Trump's inauguration with the explicit purpose of rioting and destroying both public and private property (including a limo taxi owned by a muslim immigrant). I dislike Trump as much as the next guy, but a moron and an asshole being elected president is hardly an excuse to start destroying public and private property as some form of protest. Also, it needs mentioning that the "anti"-fascists also rioted at Obama's inauguration, thou in (understandably) smaller numbers.

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    37. Re:This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, but are layers of straw man arguments really useful toward achieving a productive dialogue?

      You can't have a productive dialogue with people who are nazi apologists.

      Where are all the reasonable people, that when push comes to shove won't vote just party, but on basic principles around getting the job done? The answers seems to be that our political system seems to somewhat be based around excluding them.

      We need to get rid of this primary crap, where we divide everything into factions. The government should not do a single thing to support parties, nor should it prevent it, but it certainly shouldn't facilitate it. Let everybody run at one time. Use math to figure out what percentage you can remove from the possible list and then revote on the rest till your done. Use ranked voting where it makes sense. Redo all districts based on a simple mathematical algorithm that tries to make them as simple as possible. Get rid of the electoral college. Sorry I don't buy that small states should have more say. It is the same exact effect as gerrymandering, save they can't change the mapping.

    38. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, your bigotry and attempts at genocide against Southern and Appalachian cultures have created this monster. But it's a white people you hate, and that's progressive, so it's good.

    39. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you accusing this man of being a white supremacist? Are you a paid shill?

    40. Re: This is fine by Jesus+H+Rolle · · Score: 0

      You're tearing down statues and rewriting history because NAAZIIISS. Is that rational or logical? No - it's not.

      Tearing down statues isn't rewriting history. History's still in history books. The statues glorify traitors who tried to tear the country in two to preserve slavery. It was a few decades after the war when the South began rewriting history, claiming that the war was over economics and state's rights.

    41. Re: This is fine by Jesus+H+Rolle · · Score: 1

      Oh bs - we shut down radical Islamic terrorists with bombs like every other week.

      Bull shit.

    42. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice strawman argument. Congratulations on abandoning logic on a News for Nude Nerds website. you have become everything scientific minds abhor.

      Moron.

      It's posts like these that add nothing to the discussion.

      Dork.

    43. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have the right to free speech and privacy. But if you make your views known publicly, you can't assume you'll somehow magically be immune from the consequences. Want to be a Nazi in your basement, go right ahead. Want to be a Nazi out in the town square, then you have voluntarily surrendered your rights to privacy, and if your friends, family and employer no longer want to be associated with you because you believe the white race is superior and all the Jews and brown skinned people should be chased off, well, that's tough on you.

      And here is one thing that perhaps distinguishes us from everyone as far as our programme is concerned, although it is very much in the spirit of things: our attitude to the Nazi problem.

      For us, this is not a problem you can turn a blind eye to - one to be solved by small concessions. For us, it is a problem of whether our nation can ever recover its health, whether the Nazi spirit can ever really be eradicated. Don't be misled into thinking you can fight a disease without killing the carrier, without destroying the bacillus. Don't think you can fight racial tuberculosis without taking care to rid the nation of the carrier of that racial tuberculosis. This Nazi contamination will not subside, this poisoning of the nation will not end, until the carrier himself, the Nazi, has been banished from our midst.

    44. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that web site is a scammy public relations exercise to drive identity politics

      that web site

    45. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice try, Goebbels.

    46. Re:This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or they're, you know, waving Nazi flags.

      Strat

    47. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And this will be the reason why we will no longer allow groups like the ones you support to proliferate with their hateful rhetoric any longer. You have become what you hate so much.

      BTW, thank you for your assistance in your single-handed destruction of the liberal progressive movement in the US.

    48. Re: This is fine by drinkypoo · · Score: 1, Informative

      Grow up.

      Someone who can't tell the difference between Nazis (want to kill all the jews, blacks, etc.) and Antifa (don't want to be killed any more) is not worth talking to.

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    49. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *SIGH*. It is too late for you. You have become exactly like them. Your diseased thought will need to be eradicated. You are acting in the same manner as Lupis where you attack a disease without regard of the host. You are an immune system that has run amok that will eventually kill the host.

      You see now your exact analogy can be used to describe you as well.

    50. Re:This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get rid of the electoral college.

      Ummm, NO!

      We will not relinquish our rights to a few large cities that could not even exist if not for the rest of the country. You are the cause of most of the pollution in this country, you are the cause of the insatiable need for electricity, you are the cause of the rampant use of disposable goods. If you really look at this from an ecologic perspective it is the BIG CITIES that are the main contributor of EVERYTHING that they stand against.

      If you really want to help the planet heal itself, then quit concentrating in single areas en-masse . You are exhibiting the same characteristics as cancer cells take over a body. You start in one area, and mass produce more of yourself and then try and spread your disease to other parts of the body.

    51. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which tactics are these? Sure the nazis never actually ran a car full tilt into protesters, so that's a new atrocity for you US nazis, but USians from all sides of the politicial spectrum have protested like the counterprotesters. Were THEY all using the same nazi tactic of "protesting"?

    52. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moar bullshit

      Tearing down statues is the start of the process. You think it'll stop there?

      Once this is done the demands will move that any history books not espousing the party view need to be destroyed and only the "official party" view of history should be published.

      You see google and Facebook already racing to silence opposing viewpoints on the internet.

      And we're already moving in beyond confederate er I'm sorry NAAAZZIIIS statues...

      Antifa and BLM in Europe, today, demanded statues of Ghandi be torn down because Ghandi was racist.

      Party first comrade.... party first...

    53. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh Drinkypoo - you poor educated idiot... you've slipped your talking points.

      AntiFa want to destroy the capitalist government in favor of communism.
      BLM doesn't want to be killed anymore - (and they demonstrate this by destroying Ferguson and continue to NOT do a thing about black in black violence in Chicago)

      NAAAZZZZIII

    54. Re: This is fine by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

      This meme of "Freedom of speech != freedom from consequences" is one of the stupidest fucking things I've ever encountered on this site. It is absolutely rampant, too. Do you really have freedom of speech if you lose your job, your friends, you family over your political beliefs?

      "Boss, I think you're an idiot" in the middle of a staff meeting. Freedom of speech? Sure. Freedom from consequences? Maybe in some other world.

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    55. Re: This is fine by jbengt · · Score: 1

      Once this is done the demands will move that any history books not espousing the party view need to be destroyed and only the "official party" view of history should be published.

      History books are already being required to carry the view of the "official" party. <sarcasm>Thanks Texas </sarcasm>

    56. Re:This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, but are layers of straw man arguments really useful toward achieving a productive dialogue?

      You can't have a productive dialogue with people who are nazi apologists.

      And here is one thing that perhaps distinguishes us from everyone as far as our programme is concerned, although it is very much in the spirit of things: our attitude to the Nazi problem.

      For us, this is not a problem you can turn a blind eye to - one to be solved by small concessions. For us, it is a problem of whether our nation can ever recover its health, whether the Nazi spirit can ever really be eradicated. Don't be misled into thinking you can fight a disease without killing the carrier, without destroying the bacillus. Don't think you can fight racial tuberculosis without taking care to rid the nation of the carrier of that racial tuberculosis. This Nazi contamination will not subside, this poisoning of the nation will not end, until the carrier himself, the Nazi, has been banished from our midst.

    57. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This meme of "Freedom of speech != freedom from consequences" is one of the stupidest fucking things I've ever encountered on this site. It is absolutely rampant, too.

      It's everywhere now. It did not start here nor is the worst here.

      For some reason many liberals are turning to be no longer liberal.

      Well, seems like the good and godly conservatives can utilize the same "tactics".

      Oddly, they have turned to a so-called liberal tactic, that of playing the poor pathetic victim.

      But you are going to have to go a long way back in time to reverse a lot of court actions to allow your side to make threats and spout anything you want with no reaction allowed to it.

    58. Re:This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Substitute Communist for Nazi and you'd make a great McCarthyite. Only difference was that they didn't advocate violence.

    59. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm glad that I'm an American,
      I'm glad that I am free,
      But I wish I were a little doggy,
      And Trump were a tree.

    60. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm glad that I'm an American,
      I'm glad that I am free,
      But I wish I were a little doggy,
      AnTrump were a tree.

    61. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tearing down statues is the start of the process. You think it'll stop there?

      It's a big leap to go from what sorts of monuments are suitable for prominent display on public land to removing facts from textbooks (which has already been happening, but from the other side). But whatever, you clearly seem to be obsessed with these parties that are all so nuts that most of us want nothing to do with them. The whole "us vs. them" thing is just a smokescreen to keep you from seeing that it's all a scam. Keep tilting at those windmills...

    62. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Freedom of speech != freedom from consequences" is a fancy way of saying "the mob should decide what is right and wrong to say." Apply your rule equally to all parties involved, or keep quiet when public opinion shifts against your ideas.

      So you're trying to encourage freedom of speech by telling people to keep quiet? That would seem to go against the concept of free speech... If you want to enforce a freedom from consequences, you'll have to force people to avoid considering people's opinions and actions when choosing who they associate with, who they love, and even how they feel. You'll basically have to force people to stop being human. Good luck with that.

    63. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get bent, you gaslighting cock monkey. Fuck Nazis, and fuck you and the rest of the incel ubersoldaten.

    64. Re: This is fine by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Tearing down all those statues of Lenin and Stalin doesn't make Soviet history go away. It's still there, in the history books.

      The fact is that most of these monuments are not meant as memories to the tens of thousands of Confederate soldiers that died. They were put up explicitly to celebrate rebel leaders who championed slavery. Yes, there are some complicated cases. General Lee was ambivalent towards slavery, and believed it was doomed, but fought on the side of the South because he viewed it as his home, but monuments to men like Jefferson Davis were nothing more than celebrations of white supremacy, and played into the whole historical revisionism that went on after Reconstruction, that the Civil War was a righteous war of states rights, when all it really was was secession for the specific purpose of preserving slavery, once the US Senate became dominated by the Free States, and the strong likelihood that most, if not all, of the new states being partitioned out of the Western Territory would be Free States. The Slave States were losing the political war, and thus believed secession was the only way to preserve slavery.

      And what happened after Reconstruction? The former slavemasters used every tool at their disposal to disenfranchise the former slaves, maintain them in an economically inferior position, and part of that was erecting monuments to those "heroes of the South" in every goddamned town square. And it was all done decades after the Civil War ended.

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    65. Re: This is fine by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I'm just going to post this link again to remind everyone that "far left extremists" are a sharp minority in the committing of extremist murders in the US:

      https://www.adl.org/sites/defa...

      The long and the short, in 2016, the majority of extremist crimes were committed by Islamic Extremists, in 2015 the majority were committed by White Supremacists.

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    66. Re: This is fine by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Attempted what? What genocide? Oh I get it, because anti-miscegenation laws were thrown in the trash, all of a sudden your precious bodily fluids are at risk.

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    67. Re: This is fine by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I don't see how protesting a pack of Nazis is "destroying the government". Even many government representatives have pointedly condemned White Nationalists, White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis.

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    68. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't both considered "right wing" extremists?

    69. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I understand that this is a White nationalist Nazi talking point but as someone who actually lives in Chicago I can tell you BLM has been involved in many anti-violence initiatives. I know, you and the rest of the Nazis will come back with some comment if I isn't good enough for you, but I really don't think the Nazi tactic of sitting in your mom's basement posting comments and spreading propaganda will do much to help stop the violence in the real world streets.

    70. Re: This is fine by not+flu · · Score: 1

      Except that being a Nazi in most parts of the Western world are viewed as far worse than being an antifa thug.

      I already doubt this is actually the case, and with antifa acting like it is, it most certainly will not be the case for very long. You might only hear pro-antifa opinions because of consensus hacking efforts by the social engineers in silicon valley and because people who don't want to get involved don't speak up.

      I'm sorry your white supremacist beliefs make you into among the most deplorable human beings around.

      "Deplorable" huh, do you remember how using that word turned out last time? Good luck winning over hearts and minds with that attitude.

    71. Re: This is fine by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Poser.

      If you were a concealed carry holder, you would have had a class where they taught you to aim body center.

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    72. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Preach.

    73. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just demonstrated that you are a partisan shill. Because if you think both sides don't act the same way the you are brainwashed.

    74. Re: This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They aren't mutually exclusive. You can be one without the other you know.

      Just because someone fights for what they think is right, doesnt mean they will say fuck everyone else in that process.

    75. Re:This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it amazing and a testament to propaganda that just ~50 years ago people in the US were rioting in the streets for freedom of speech for everyone, now they riot in the street against freedom of speech for everyone.

      You Americans are so silly!

    76. Re:This is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get rid of the electoral college.

      Ummm, NO!

      We will not relinquish our rights to a few large cities that could not even exist if not for the rest of the country.

      I was just struck how you could replace "a few large cities" with "people of color" .

      The same old story gets repeated again and again. Discrimination is discrimination, no matter what wrappings you give it.

  2. That's BARELY scaling back a demand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A lot of databases store IP addresses too.

    Also, why is DreamHost even involved in this? The government should get the WHOIS information of record as required by ICANN to be current and correct. If it isn't correct, transfer domain ownership. Problem solved. If it is correct, go the home of whoever owns the site and demand the files and other information from them. If THEY don't supply the files stored on their DreamHost account, then that person goes to jail until they decide to comply. In either case, DreamHost isn't involved here.

    DreamHost should continue to fight saying exactly what I just said in the paragraph above. If they capitulate, it only sends the message loud and clear that the government can go after ISPs for any information they want.

    1. Re:That's BARELY scaling back a demand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can and do go for information held by ISPs. What gave you the impression that they didn't?

  3. "Justice" Department by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DreamHost is suppressing my free speech right to harass anyone who disagrees with me!

  4. Realized it was in the NSA database by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Stored as "metadata".

    Same thing.

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    1. Re:Realized it was in the NSA database by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It took this long to finish the search. There's that much to look through.

      captcha: hunted lol

  5. Chicago 8 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of the Chicago 8 who were tried for inciting a riot, even though not all of them had met before the trial.

    In this case, however, it will be many times more than 8.

  6. Where have all the kittens gone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    kittenfeed.com was another threat to Trump that was pursued legally. It doesn't take much for Trump to feel threatened.

  7. "We drew too much attention.." by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Translation:

    We drew too much attention from the media and the general public with our outlandish search warrant, so rather than take all the heat for what amounted to an overreach, we (quote-unquote) 'scaled back the request' so we don't look like the jackbooted thugs we actually are.

    Pro-tip for you, guys: You still look like jackbooted thugs.

    1. Re:"We drew too much attention.." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's fine, "looking like jackbooted thugs" is not something they're currently trying to avoid. So long as there's some degree of plausible deniability (which "walking back" the request creates), "intimidating the public" is exactly what they wanted to achieve.

      This episode has had its impact - there's been a chilling effect, everyone in America is now ever so slightly more thoughtful about what websites they visit because of it.

      Hope you enjoyed freedom of association while it lasted, because it's on its last legs now.

    2. Re:"We drew too much attention.." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Left has already lost the Judiciary, Executive, and the Legislative branches. Now they are trying to lose their freedom of speech and association.

      All thanks to the "Antifa"/BLM thugs, their brutal attacks, racist chants, attempted murder (stabbings and bike lock head shots), pepper spray and urine bombs.
      (is it true that Soros thinks Anti-FA means anti-First Amendment?)

    3. Re:"We drew too much attention.." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jackbooted troopers. My pro-trump Sheriff friend likes to refer to himself a stormtrooper. Yes sheriff of a town of millions.

    4. Re:"We drew too much attention.." by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      LOL, the so-called 'left' is going to be taking back quite a bit in the years to come because the so-called 'right' has been so completely 'wrong'. It'll probably take until I'm dead and made into ashes for all the damage that'll have been done can be repaired. Meanwhile we have to put up with all the 'jackbooted thugs' like them (and you), shooting your damn mouths off.

  8. Unless you violate the SJW code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Then you'll be doxxed out of your livelihood or outed by IPs and internet companies like Google and Dreamhost for your wrong think.

    Gotta love the hypocrisy of the leftists here - "these Trump people are jackbooted thugs"

    No. That would be the leftists and Antifa.

    As you see here - if you deplatform Leftists you're evil - if you deplatform anybody with a conservative viewpoint you're a hero.

    Be careful of what you're building - you're not going to like the result.

    1. Re:Unless you violate the SJW code by jbengt · · Score: 1

      Gotta love the hypocrisy of the leftists here - "these Trump people are jackbooted thugs"
      No. That would be the leftists and Antifa.

      Based on what we know about past protests, the Antiffa activists pushing for the most violent tactics are likely working undercover for the government.

    2. Re:Unless you violate the SJW code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean, like burning the Reichstag?

    3. Re:Unless you violate the SJW code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Based on what we know about past protests, the Antiffa activists pushing for the most violent tactics are likely working undercover for the government.

      (emphasis added)

      While false flag operations are not unknown, my immediate reaction is that this is woo-woo conspiracy theory. Still, I'm paranoid enough about today's political environment to ask if you can reference/footnote this somewhere other than Breitbart News? I'm serious, not trying to be snide.

    4. Re:Unless you violate the SJW code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The basis of the theory is that the Unite the Right protest organizer was an Occupy Wallstreet leader and Obama supporter.
      (II've only seen screenshots of posts that are supposedly his but that's not really "proof" these days)
      The other basis is that the city government told the police to stand down when the fighting started (that's been widely reported) and gave permits to counter protestors to march AT THE SAME TIME which insinuates they wanted the fighting to occur so they could politicize the event.
      There's been some dispute as to whether or not AntiFa had permission to march and, if not, why they aren't being prosecuted. Both the city council and governor of Virginia, McAuliffe, have refused to comment on that.
      Lots of smoke, no fire.

    5. Re:Unless you violate the SJW code by jbengt · · Score: 1

      Yes, if you take it to the extreme.
      But I was thinking more about the '60s and '70s anti-war protesters, like the weather underground offshoot of the SDS, which I'm more familiar with, since I was a teenager becoming politically aware then.

  9. Guilty before proven innocent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The department says it is only looking for information related to criminal activity on the site, and says that "the government is focused on the use of the Website to organize, to plan, and to effect a criminal act -- that is, a riot." "

    So basically trying to find a conspiracy to commit a crime, but no crime has taken place, do they even have evidence of intent? Does goading by law enforcement count?

    1. Re:Guilty before proven innocent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So basically trying to find a conspiracy to commit a crime, but no crime has taken place, do they even have evidence of intent?

      Finally get internet access to that rock you've been living under?

    2. Re:Guilty before proven innocent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They got the phones of the people they arrested. Perhaps they found messages on those phones that indicated that the violence was organized, and that there was a lead to the dreamhost site.

      Follow the leads. Follow the money. These Marxist stooges are nothing but paid puppets. Although some are angry now, because the money is late.

  10. Translated translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're investigating a group of people that committed violence, including the incident where a woman's hair was lit on fire, which someone stopped in time to avoid the person being scarred for life. There were also people who plotted to attack the inaugural ball with a butyric acid stink bomb, which could have caused people to get crushed during a panicked evacuation by people who don't know what gas they're being attacked with, they plotted to chain trains, etc. in addition to physically assaulting people.

    A large number of people were arrested for physical assault and, thanks to a law passed by Obama, may end up getting charged with felonies and potentially losing their right to vote. So no, I don't mind them looking up a few IP addresses as they go after the thugs who have in the time since then done such nice things as stabbing a police horse with their spear-tipped Antifa flag.

    1. Re:Translated translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Left wing violence is free speech and must be supported.

      Right wing speech is,violence and must be suppressed.

      Get wi the times, seriously.

  11. While that may be true by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Informative

    the percentage of Americans identifying as and with Jackbooted thugs has been on the upswing.

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    1. Re:While that may be true by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      When you get people like that at the very top, it normalizes their behaviour and views. That's why Trump's opponents keep saying "this is not normal".

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    2. Re:While that may be true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, I know. Did you see all of them at the Charlottesville? Waving their NAZI flags and the others with their black hoodies with face masks and dark sunglasses. They remind me of the Unabomber police artist sketch from the 90's

    3. Re:While that may be true by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      Sad, isn't it? They want to drag us all back into the muck. It's like 'Crab Mentality' taken to the absolute extreme.

  12. HAHA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > In a legal filing today, the Justice Department argues that the warrant was proper, but also says DreamHost has since brought up information that was previously "unknown.
     
      Ummm... The Constitution? ;-)

  13. Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've seen this craps spammed all over this story. Are you a paid propagandist or just a useful idiot?

    1. Re:Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  14. Is this Trump evil, or just Standard Issue evil? by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 1

    I have plenty of reasons to hold the Trump administration in low regard, but it isn't clear this is one of them.

    Is this a politically directed Justice department dealing unto the opponents of the administration, or is this just overpowered law enforcement agents acting in the way they are accustomed?

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  15. Wow. Talk about reach around.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since when were cultures able to be genocided?!?!?! You white showflakes love to go overboard with how persecuted you are, as if that makes up for the guilt you've not been persecuted enough to complain about and you LOVE that feeling of blaming others for your victimhood.

  16. So Gabby Giffords shooter. Who was rightwing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pwned.

    1. Re:So Gabby Giffords shooter. Who was rightwing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL! #FAIL

      He was **literally** a left-wing Democrat lunatic, but thanks for playing!

      Buh-bye!

  17. Or up close and personal as with Gabby Giffords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shot by a rightwinger for which you are crying about the payback, bitches. You started the fire, you kept it alight with your "We will shoot you liberals and blacks if you don't back down", and now when you're being shot at, you whine about how you're being hunted!

    What cucks!

  18. You still want their taxes, though. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You want the representation and you want them to pay for it.

    Well done you commie scrounger. There's a reason why they're "Red" states.

    1. Re:You still want their taxes, though. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You want the representation and you want them to pay for it.

      Well done you commie scrounger. There's a reason why they're "Red" states.

      Bonus points for commie scrounger and random references to taxes. No one mentioned red states per say.

      Discrimination is discrimination. Taxes shouldn't discriminate either. How is this complex?

  19. America is defunct. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was nice while it lasted but there is no recovering from this.
    Real news is fake Nazi's are great.

    And protesting them is criminal.

    Wait for the ramifications when the world fully understands.

  20. Re: Or up close and personal as with Gabby Gifford by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This.

  21. On the plus side by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    these people have legitimate complaints (lack of jobs, Healthcare, infrastructure, education opportunities) that aren't being address. I'm hoping we actually address them before it's too late and we go the same route Germany did in WWII. Though so far all I've seen is a lot of denouncing. We need that, don't get me wrong. What these people are doing is bad. But almost nobody is asking the tough questions about _why_ they're doing it.

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    1. Re:On the plus side by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I agree. Legitimate concerns that must be addressed. The problem is that the honest answer is "it's complicated and the solutions take time to work, and you are going to have to change your lifestyle and outlook to get there". It's very easy for someone to come in and promise to fix everything with some simplistic ideas like "build a wall".

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    2. Re:On the plus side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Legitimate concerns that must be addressed. The problem is that the honest answer is "it's complicated and the solutions take time to work, and you are going to have to change your lifestyle and outlook to get there". It's very easy for someone to come in and promise to fix everything with some simplistic ideas like "build a wall".

      Huh? I thought the alt-right's concerns aren't legitimate. Aren't they just Nazis/MRAs/GamerGaters, who don't REALLY care about employment or men's issues or ethics in gaming journalism or whatever it is they say they're concerned about? Are you saying Trump was correct in saying that amongst the protesters there were good people?

      Though I do agree with your honest answer. That's sound advice for everyone, especially the left.

      The left is concerned about global warming? Change your own lifestyle, don't shame others or try to get government to be your jackbooted thugs to force compliance.

      Concerned about Nazis coming out of their mother's basements? Change your own lifestyle, stop "counter protesting" them which just adds more fuel to the fire.

      Concerned about lack of women in STEM? Change your lifestyle. Take less women's studies. Start your own company instead of shaming existing ones that don't hire enough women to your tastes.

      Concerned about the wage gap? Change your own behavior. Be more willing to abandon work/life balance. Be more willing to do dirty/dangerous jobs. Be more willing to give up custody of the children and pay alimony in case of divorce.

      Concerned about rape culture? Change your own lifestyle. Stop wearing that dress!

  22. Re: Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL so the nazis aren't thugs? Are you fucking kidding me.

  23. Re: DreamHost is absolutely awesome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you to whoever downmodded this bullshit.