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Google To Comply With EU Search Demands To Avoid More Fines (bloomberg.com)

Google will comply with Europe's demands to change the way it runs its shopping search service, a rare instance of the internet giant bowing to regulatory pressure to avoid more fines. From a report: The Alphabet unit faced a Tuesday deadline to tell the European Union how it planned to follow an order to stop discriminating against rival shopping search services in the region. A Google spokeswoman said it is sharing that plan with regulators before the deadline expires, but declined to comment further. The EU fined Google a record 2.4 billion euros ($2.7 billion) in late June for breaking antitrust rules by skewing its general search results to unfairly favor its own shopping service over rival sites. The company had 60 days to propose how it would "stop its illegal content" and 90 days to make changes to how the company displays shopping results when users search for a product. Those changes need to be put in place by Sept. 28 to stave off a risk that the EU could fine the company 5 percent of daily revenue for each day it fails to comply. "The obligation to comply is fully Google's responsibility," the European Commission said in an emailed statement, without elaborating on what the company must do to comply.

50 comments

  1. Good. by fred6666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A corporation obeys laws. The way it should be.

    1. Re:Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Google is under no obligation to *advertise* their competitor's products. They're a private for-profit company, not a public search utility that is required to be unbiased and provide equal representation for all.

      Yes, many people treat it as a public utility, but they're not, and this ruling is stupid. Google is only complying with it because the bureaucrats won't let go until they're bribed.

    2. Re:Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google is under no obligation to *advertise* their competitor's products. They're a private for-profit company, not a public search utility that is required to be unbiased and provide equal representation for all.

      Yes, many people treat it as a public utility, but they're not, and this ruling is stupid. Google is only complying with it because the bureaucrats won't let go until they're bribed.

      They are completely free to withdraw from the EU. Unlike the US, the EU is ruled by the representatives of the people. And the Brits with their House of Lords can go whack their head with a plank.

    3. Re:Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the Brits with their House of Lords can go whack their head with a plank.

      Why would House of Lords hit Brits head with a plank? Are you talking about Brexit?

    4. Re:Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google has been declared a monopoly. Therefore it has obligations smaller companies don't.

    5. Re: Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No but then they should not call themself a internet search engine if they only allow you to search a subset with all of the competition removed.

      They could switch but i think that they would not be the biggest search engine in that case

    6. Re:Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lulzy EU idiot doesn't understand UK politics

      and definitely doesn't understand just how undemocratic the EU actually is.

      I bet you think the european parliament actually proposes or rejects legislation.

      Idiot. The only people who make decision in the EU are, by design, NOT elected.

    7. Re:Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unlike the US, the EU is ruled by the representatives of the people.

      LOOOOOOL!

  2. Sooo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You can't use the service you own to advertise your products over others? Huh?

    1. Re:Sooo by jonsmirl · · Score: 1

      Can they extend this to Comcast so that I don't have to watch hundreds of self serving ads tell me what a great and innovation company (uh monopoly) they are?

  3. Re:Not always as easy as it sounds. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Obeying the law is much harder when they make the law as vague as possible, then just tell the company they are in violation and have to fix it - without telling them what "fixed" looks like.

  4. Extortion pure and simple by lfp98 · · Score: 0

    Unlike, say, MS-Office or Adobe Acrobat, no one is forced to use the Google search engine, for compatibility or any other reason. If users don't think it's showing them the best prices, they can use Bing or Yahoo or whatever. People use Google because it still gives the best search results. It's a free service after all, and if Google doesn't want to include comparison-shopping sites in the results, that should be its right. If Google were an EU-based company, it wouldn't be an issue.

    1. Re:Extortion pure and simple by grumbel · · Score: 1

      And on top of that comes that Google isn't even all that relevant for product searches, Amazon and eBay are way more useful when you want to actually find stuff you can buy. Google product search on the other side has been a complete disappointment ever since it's inception.

    2. Re:Extortion pure and simple by klingens · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unlike, say, MS-Office or Adobe Acrobat, no one is forced to use the Google search engine, for compatibility or any other reason. .

      Nobody was forced to use Microsoft Windows either, never was. There always were competitive products out there. Same for Acrobat. However when Microsoft used their market power in OSes to gain a market in Browsers, the Antitrust lawyers closed in for a kill. Imho for the right reasons, even when it was unsuccessful in the end.

      Same with Google: it doesn't matter how many other competitors there are or not are (and they exist, Bing being the biggest), Google has around 90%+ marketshare in general search engines. So if they use this to gain an advantage in a specialized search engine field, like price search, then they violate the law, just like MSFT did with their browser. All that matters, is Google a monopoly in the eye of the law, and it certainly is. Why or how they are a monopoly is totally irrelevant.

    3. Re:Extortion pure and simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not extortion if it's legal. Feel free to keep carrying water for a multi-billion dollar corporation that doesn't need your help, though!

    4. Re:Extortion pure and simple by jonsmirl · · Score: 0

      Unlike, say, MS-Office or Adobe Acrobat, no one is forced to use the Google search engine, for compatibility or any other reason. .

      Nobody was forced to use Microsoft Windows either, never was. There always were competitive products out there. Same for Acrobat. However when Microsoft used their market power in OSes to gain a market in Browsers, the Antitrust lawyers closed in for a kill. Imho for the right reasons, even when it was unsuccessful in the end.

      Same with Google: it doesn't matter how many other competitors there are or not are (and they exist, Bing being the biggest), Google has around 90%+ marketshare in general search engines. So if they use this to gain an advantage in a specialized search engine field, like price search, then they violate the law, just like MSFT did with their browser. All that matters, is Google a monopoly in the eye of the law, and it certainly is. Why or how they are a monopoly is totally irrelevant.

      Don't so quick about MS Windows. For a period of about 10 years in the early 1990's it was impossible to by a PC that did not include a MS Windows license. So you weren't forced to use Windows, you were only forced to buy it. At one point I had 28 copies of Windows in my office that I had been forced to buy and did not want.

      Even if you refused to agree to the EULA upon purchasing your PC the was no way to get a refund from MS other than to go to small claims court. Something several hundred people did to Microsoft.

    5. Re:Extortion pure and simple by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 3, Informative

      For a period of about 10 years in the early 1990's it was impossible to by a PC that did not include a MS Windows license.
       
      That "ten years" is still ongoing today, unless you know something I don't know.
       
      I can't walk into Staples and buy a computer without Windows. I might be able to get a desktop from a computer specialty store as a custom build. I certainly can't buy a new laptop in any retail store (that I'm aware of) without Windows.

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    6. Re:Extortion pure and simple by OldMugwump · · Score: 2

      Multi-billion dollar firms are not automatically in the wrong just because they're big. If they're wrong, we should condemn them. If they're right, we should defend them. No matter who they are.

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      "Shoot, a fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff."
    7. Re:Extortion pure and simple by jonsmirl · · Score: 1, Troll

      It is still somewhat difficult to get a PC today without Windows but it can be done. In the ten year monopoly period it was impossible. If MS found any OEM that was not shipping Windows with every PC they would yank their Windows license. OEMs were so afraid that they would buy more Windows licenses than units shipped just to be 100% certain they did not violate their OEM agreement of shipping 100% Windows.

      There is a good clip of a Senator (Orin Hatch?) on the floor explaining how he personally spent a week trying everywhere he could think of to buy a PC without Windows and he could not. MS was found guilty of anti-trust (not just one section, all three). They just bought off enough Congresscritters that they escaped any punishment from the guilty verdict.

    8. Re: Extortion pure and simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Google were an EU-based company, it wouldn't be an issue.

      That wouldn't change anything about the legality of Google's practices. In Europe, the law is equal for everyone. It's not like the USA, where regulatory enforcement is often just thinly veiled protectionism.

    9. Re:Extortion pure and simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll just pretend I can't go online and order a Ubuntu based laptop, Chrome book or Apple Laptop. Sure, Windows has a laptop monopoly...Right.

      I can't stand MS either but pretending you can't buy a laptop with a non windows OS is just not true.

    10. Re: Extortion pure and simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Extortion is an act, it happens to be illegal in modern society but even if it were legal it would still be extortion and it would still be morally abhorrent.

      Just like stealing is still the word for taking someone else's property without permission whether it's legal or not.

    11. Re:Extortion pure and simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that isn't true at all, you most definitely could buy a computer without DOS/Windows as I did not once buy a computer with DOS/Windows back then and I upgraded at least once a year as this was back when a 12 month old computer was well and truly underspecced. The only place that forced windows was the large OEM's who struck deals for reduced price in exchange for always shipping with Windows. You could also buy an Apple if you wanted to as well.

    12. Re: Extortion pure and simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to contradict you or anything, but the germaine principle, and the one used again M$ ('member that? Hahaha! ;*} ) was/is:

      Being a monopoly is not a crime. Abusing your monopoly power is.

      Canonical example is Bell Systems, aka Ma Bell.

      King Fucker Chicken

    13. Re: Extortion pure and simple by KGIII · · Score: 1

      > gives the best search results

      Not anymore!

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  5. Would this happen to a EU company? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    We often see the EU drag Google and Microsoft on to the carpet for another kangaroo court session, but does the EU actually do anything more than just be an instrument of xenophobic anti-Americanism? They need to clean their own house.

    A good example: If VW were an American company and was discovered breaking the diesel emissions requirements, how long would they exist in Europe before being fined out of existence?

    1. Re:Would this happen to a EU company? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Perhaps you only see these big cases because these are the ones that are big in US news. If a bunch of EU companies are fined in EU, that is rarely news here.
      Also, companies with insane profits tend to get insane fines, hence the very large ones against Google and Facebook.

      Instead of speculating I would recommend you to go directly to the source and search for yourself (note, there might be more but I only searched for the obvious search terms):
      http://europa.eu/rapid/search-result.htm?text=antitrust+fines&titleOnly=1

    2. Re:Would this happen to a EU company? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Mod parent down.

      It's just bullshit. The EU fines plenty of local companies, but you only hear the endless whining on slashdot when an American company gets fined. American companies are not special in the EU. They have the choice of sticking to the laws, or taking their business elsewhere.

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    3. Re:Would this happen to a EU company? by Freischutz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We often see the EU drag Google and Microsoft on to the carpet for another kangaroo court session, but does the EU actually do anything more than just be an instrument of xenophobic anti-Americanism? They need to clean their own house.

      A good example: If VW were an American company and was discovered breaking the diesel emissions requirements, how long would they exist in Europe before being fined out of existence?

      Getting a kick out of feeling like the perpetual victim are we? This only looks unfair to US corporations if you limit your field of view to subset of American companies that get fined and conveniently ignore the fact that European companies get monster fines from the EU too. The question you should be asking is why the EU is fining these guys while the US govt. sits happily by and does nothing while they screw US consumers in the same exact way? One of the things I like about the EU is that once in a while it actually kicks abusive mega corporations in the nuts with monster fines that actually get these assholes to pay attention and modify their behaviour. Meanwhile US politicians are still peddling re-packaged and re-branded versions of the old bullshit about 'voluntary self regulation by industry' and that a soulless corporation is a person with a sound set of christian moral values whose chief concern is the well being of the consumer.

    4. Re:Would this happen to a EU company? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The overwhelming majority of EU cases for anti-competitive behaviour involve European companies. That they aren't mentioned doesn't mean they don't happen. Unlike the US, the European Union does not use regulatory agencies as weapons of protectionism.

      A good example: If VW were an American company and was discovered breaking the diesel emissions requirements, how long would they exist in Europe before being fined out of existence?

      Considering that Ford, GM and Fiat Chrysler haven't paid a cent for their cheating with diesel emissions in Europe, the answer is evident: indefinitely.

      It is also interesting to note that GM, Ford and Fiat Chrysler and its predecessors have never received fines in the US anywhere near to what the Americans slapped on VW despite all three having very long histories of all kinds of unlawful behaviour.

    5. Re:Would this happen to a EU company? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look dickhead, US companies *are* special considering their innovation as compared to the EU's *lack* of innovation.

      So marketing software and internet services is innovation and focusing on developing actual technology is a lack of innovation now?

    6. Re:Would this happen to a EU company? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      If you were worth a shit you'd be running Risc OS, but it, like you, sucks.

      And yet descendants the processors that were co-designed with it are now in every smartphone, every tablet, and most embedded devices.

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    7. Re:Would this happen to a EU company? by houghi · · Score: 1

      Truck producers â" 2.93 billion euros

      In July 2016, the Commission fined MAN, Volvo/Renault, Daimler, Iveco, and DAF a total of 2.93 billion euros for forming a cartel and colluding on truck prices for 14 years.

      The largest individual fine was on Daimler for 1.008 billion euros. DAF was hit with a fine of 752 million euros, while Volvo/Renault was fined 670 million euros.

      Car glass producers â" 1.35 billion euros

      In November 2008, several car glass producers were hit with a cartel fine for illegal market sharing and exchanging commercially sensitive information.

      French firm Saint-Gobain received the largest fine of 880 million euros, while U.K. firm Pilkington was hit with a fine of 357 million euros. Japanese company Asahi's fine was reduced by 50 percent to 113.5 million due to leniency, while Blegium's Soliver received a fine of just 4.4 million euros

      The European Commission has fined Campine, Eco-Bat Technologies and Recylex a total of â68 million for fixing prices for purchasing scrap automotive batteries, in breach of EU antitrust rules.

      A fourth company, Johnson Controls, was not fined because it revealed the existence of the cartel to the Commission.

      Obviously there are many, many more that are fined and even more that come to their senses and adapt their behavior before they are fined.
      The reason the fine is so big is because Google makes so much money.

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    8. Re:Would this happen to a EU company? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And why weren't any of those products designed in Europe? Ah yes. Because.

    9. Re:Would this happen to a EU company? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Uh, most of those cores are designed in the UK, just down the road from me. A few others are designed in a subsidiary in Austin. Some are designed in Cupertino, under license from a company based in the UK.

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  6. Re:Not always as easy as it sounds. by jonsmirl · · Score: 1

    2.7B fine to ensure that Google will route your shopping click to search vendors making millions off from affiliate kickbacks. That's why these shopping search vendors are mad, it isn't the advertising revenue, it the up to 10% affiliate kickbacks they want. And you're a fool if you think stores paying large affiliate kickbacks have the lowest prices.

  7. Re:Socialism stifling innovation by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 2

    As long as they're making more money than they're spending they'll stay.

  8. Re:Socialism stifling innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please do, the door is over there ->
    Adieu and thanks for all the fish.

  9. Re:Socialism stifling innovation by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

    Gee, it sucks that big successful corporations have to obey the laws

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  10. Re:"Fake news" filters next by AHuxley · · Score: 0

    Re "The EU is going down the road of China and other totalitarian regimes."
    Small steps on the way to 100% positive EU news.
    Happy government news.
    Happy movie reviews.
    Good news from all local community reporters.
    Communist nations tried to really push positive spin on their failing nations in the 1980's. Their closed populations craved US freedoms.
    The more the EU now tries to reshape the internet the more the internet move on to become more fun and free.
    The EU can regulate social media, news and ads all it wants.
    People will just get a VPN service and enjoy their time and money on the US internet.
    Returning to the EU internet to pay their taxes. Why would anyone risk using the internet in the EU anymore?
    Retroactive internet laws make investing in the EU a risk.

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  11. Re:Socialism stifling innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is making a company obey the law socialism? Or stifling innovation? How is abusing your dominant market position in one market to gain an unfair advantage against the competition in another market a form of innovation? If anything, it is an impediment to innnovation.

    That Google happens to be financially succesful does not matter. They were breaking the law and they were hurting consumers. The EC made sure that they stopped doing so. That is how it is supposed to work.

  12. Re: Socialism stifling innovation by KGIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Disturbingly, a company deciding to obey the law is considered news. Let that sink in...

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  13. Re: "Fake news" filters next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wake me up when the EU gets as bad as a certain shithole to the north of Mexico that tries to spy on every citizen around the world and has set the world record of trying to apply its crazy laws to the rest of the world. Keep your unfounded paranoia to yourself till that day.

  14. Re:"Fake news" filters next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The UK is the only EU member state with a meaningful degree of internet censorship. After Brexit, the EU won't be there anymore to protect the British against their nanny state, so it will only get worse.

  15. Google has a shopping service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    breaking antitrust rules by skewing its general search results to unfairly favor its own shopping service over rival sites

    Google has a shopping service? If so, they haven't been very good at favoring it, because I live in the EU, and I've never had it come up in search results.