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Japan Activated Air Raid Sirens During North Korea's Missile Test Monday (cnn.com)

"No country should have missiles flying over them like those 130 million people in Japan," the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations said Monday. Though it was only a test, the scene on-the-ground is described by Slashdot reader AppleHoshi: Our phones went crazy on receipt of an automated alert from the "J-Alert" system. Shortly afterwards, loudspeakers broadcast another alert (there are loudspeakers everywhere in Japan, to warn of earthquakes, tsunamis and typhoons). As normal with any disaster situation in Japan, all of the available television channels immediately switched over to full-coverage mode, with a repetition of what the situation was ("There's a missile heading in the direction of north-central Japan") followed by basic instructions of what to do ("If it comes down in your area, try to extinguish any fires and immediately inform your local police and fire departments").

Shortly before twenty past six we got the news that the missile had over-flown northern Japan and landed in the Pacific, about 1,000 km [621 miles] from the coast of Hokkaido. The "all-clear" was broadcast over the local speakers a short while later. Strange as it may seem, this all had an air of normality about it. Japan gets more than it's fair share of natural disasters, so anyone living here gets plenty of exposure to this same routine. (It's just that the reason is usually an earthquake, typhoon or tsunami, rather than a megalomaniac).

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  1. Dear Japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are your problem.

    Sincerely,
    American Taxpayer

    1. Re:Dear Japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dear American Taxpayer,

      As part of our surrender to YOU we agreed to allow YOU do defend us against external aggression instead of rebuilding our military.

      Sincerely,
      Japan.

      P.S. Maybe Trump should think about renegotiating that tax payer nightmare.

    2. Re:Dear Japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... defend us against external aggression ...

      Since the 1950s, Japan has been used to point pre-emptive missile batteries at Russia, China and now, North Korea. The US plan for military hegemony isn't just to protect corporate interests and enforce world peace (for said interests). The US builds foreign bases so that its much smaller enemies have to spend resources against disposable allies such as Japan and Australia.

      ... rebuilding our military.

      This has been happening since the 1980s because the USA wants Japan join its wars, like its allies do. Unfortunately, after the defeat of Japan, the USA banned Japan from fighting outside Japan, making the rebuild pointless.

      ... renegotiating that tax-payer nightmare ...

      For political, military and monetary reasons, the USA doesn't want to face China's growing military hegemony alone. It wants US allies to patrol the Pacific ocean too, forming a fence around China's military. The problem being allies already pay protection money by subsidizing US corporations via tax-breaks. Those allies aren't interested in payments to the USA then enforcing world peace (which benefits the USA most) themselves: Most of them have a military just big enough to join the wars started by the USA.

    3. Re:Dear Japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does anyone still believe Trump has negotiating skills? The transcripts of his calls with Mexican and Australian presidents couldn't disprove this better.

      Equal parts bluster + whining = loser

      He basically begged Mexico not to say they wouldn't pay for the wall after he admitted they wouldn't. Real strong negotiating skill there dummy.

    4. Re:Dear Japan by murdocj · · Score: 1

      Wow, the communist think is strong in this one.

    5. Re: Dear Japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Static Walls around a fixed territory don't work. They didn't work for Hadrian. They didn't keep the Mongols out of China. What does work is land mines. The USA needs to mine the border and declare everything 2 miles south of the Rio Grande a free fire zone.
      An immigrant enters the countrry and assimilated into the language and culture of the country they enter. An invader does not assimilate and keeps their language and culture. They destroy the culture and unity of the country they are invading. The USA does not have an illegal immigration problem they have a full blown invasion. When the whites conquered the plains Indians they went through enormous trouble to keep the tribes divided. Same thing is happening today, except instead of divisions along Lakota and Crow, we are divided along such ridiculous lines as Left and Right.

    6. Re:Dear Japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is communist about accurately pointing out the USA's approach to international diplomacy?

    7. Re: Dear Japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true, the USSR played an arguably bigger role in the world wars, plus the USA isn't immune to being overextended (read about the fall of the Roman Empire).

    8. Re:Dear Japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Single-handledly".

      Americans are cute.

    9. Re: Dear Japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Woosh

    10. Re:Dear Japan by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Trump did complain about it before being elected, but hasn't said much since.

      In any case, it would be a false economy. A militarized Japan would only make the situation worse. The US isn't going to give us its position as close ally to South Korea, because it's really about China. If the situation escalated to a hot war, it would make Iraq and Afghanistan look cheap.

      Not to mention that North Korea and China both have nuclear weapons, and in China's case they have enough to ensure the mutual destruction of the US and the capability to deliver them.

      The only winning move is for both sides to stop waving their dicks at each other and go back to talking. Realistically the US will have to be the one that makes the move, either voluntarily or with pressure from China.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    11. Re: Dear Japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks to this brave anonymous coward, I learned that the USSR was founded not in 1922 as Wikipedia and most history books claim but rather prior to the signing of the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk in March of 1918 a scant five months after the October Revolution overthrew the Tsarist government in charge during most of Russia's involvement in WW1.

    12. Re:Dear Japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      disposable allies such as Japan and Australia.

      Disposable? Japan, Australia... I see, you're playing RISK!

    13. Re:Dear Japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump did complain about it before being elected, but hasn't said much since.

      Campaign nonesense, tossed in the bin now that things are real. But Trump keeps hitting the rally-circuit to keep his trolls energized... if he can't bury his promises (NAFTA), then he'll kick it down the road (border wall) or blame reality-defeat on someone else (health-care repeal). The MAGA trolls are so stoked by his fist-pumping antics they never catch on (or don't dare admit) that they're being scammed. But in three years, the question will come "are you better off, really", and the answer, just like for most anyone and everyone who's done business with Trump, will be no.

    14. Re:Dear Japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're nuking your country first asshole

    15. Re:Dear Japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such snowflakes too...

  2. Precision... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    TFS seems to imply that the alert was activated everywhere in Japan. The subtitle on the linked CNN page mentions Northern Japan.
    I live in Tokyo, and heard or saw no such alert.

    1. Re:Precision... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got the alert in Roppongi

  3. Re:North Korea is a bastion of peace . . . by rfengr · · Score: 1, Funny

    Yep. Too bad we can't trade PDRK political prisoners for ANTIFA members. The latter could live in their utopia.

  4. Which one? by farble1670 · · Score: 0

    Strange as it may seem, this all had an air of normality about it. Japan gets more than it's fair share of natural disasters, so anyone living here gets plenty of exposure to this same routine. (It's just that the reason is usually an earthquake, typhoon or tsunami, rather than a megalomaniac).

    Which megalomaniac are we talking about here?

    1. Re:Which one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One that doesn't look bleached, I think.

    2. Re:Which one? by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      Evidently global warming leads to widespread megalomania.

      --
      Sent from my ASR33 using ASCII
    3. Re:Which one? by gtall · · Score: 1

      Either the Pillsbury Doughboy or Bozo the Clown, either will do, not a dimes worth of difference between them.

    4. Re:Which one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dye isn't cheap. Just how much do you think it costs for Bozo to keep his hair red?

  5. Re:"Megalomaniac"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you then agree with Workers World Party, an antifa group that supports North Korea.

    Frankly it's hilarious you fascists and communists beat the crap out of each other.

  6. Dear Stupid American by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your dumbfuck discredited, treasonous president goaded Kim Jong Un into this with empty threats and provocations no sane person would engage in.

    Why don't you start by kicking your traitor out of the oval office before you tell us about how your fuckups are our problem.

    1. Re:Dear Stupid American by murdocj · · Score: 1

      Right. Because Kim Jong Un wasn't pursuing ICBMS and nukes till comrade trumpsky came along.

      Just because the USA is being run by a nutjob doesn't mean the NK isn't being run by a nutjob. It's not like there's only one such in the world.

    2. Re:Dear Stupid American by johanw · · Score: 1

      He saw what happened to other countries the US does not like and thought that getting some ICBM's with nukes would prevent any creative American actions like regime change through preemptive strikes. And I think he's right, the US acts like the classical bully: it backs off when it's afraid the other guy might hit back.

    3. Re: Dear Stupid American by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot. We'd have majorly fucked his shit up already except for one thing: South Korea.

      Since he's developed nukes (most likely with the assistance of retired Russian weapons engineers and scientists), we have two more key junctures to consider, and South Korea had better pull their heads out of their asses on these:
      1. The first time he demonstrates a nuclear tipped ICBM (or hell, IRBM for that matter)
      2. He starts pursuing thermonuclear weapons.

      When #1 happens I think we should smash him wholesale. When #2 happens and he gets full-on megaton weapons the entire planet will be open to nuclear blackmail, e.g. I am crazy! I have nothing to lose! You WILL send us FREE food and fuel "aid" or else! ...heh.. Juche my ass.

    4. Re:Dear Stupid American by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your dumbfuck discredited, treasonous president goaded Kim Jong Un into this with empty threats and provocations no sane person would engage in.

      Why don't you start by kicking your traitor out of the oval office before you tell us about how your fuckups are our problem.

      Another lemming too stupid to know who Trump was really talking to with his rhetoric. Hint: It wasn't North Korea. I'm not going to spoon feed you any more though, lets see if you can even think a little for yourself.

  7. Re:Dear Far East - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    says the decline of American power and influence... for what, a phantom tax break? clean coal? there was a time this talk would label you a commie and anti-American scum.

  8. Re: Nazis are Scum by Type44Q · · Score: 3, Funny

    To be fair, it was easier when there were still real Nazis.

  9. Nuke Math by flopsquad · · Score: 1

    Trying to settle a bet with a friend. Can anyone come up with a reasonable estimate of how many nukes it would take to destroy N. Korea's warhead collection and neutralize their military forces? Would the number and placement have massive long-term health effects in Seoul and the region? Or is it possible the S. Korea and neighbors come away mostly unscathed?

    --
    Nothing posted to /. has ever been legal advice, including this.
    1. Re: Nuke Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need a nuke to destroy a nuke. You need a network of highly sensitive muon detectors (total cost $50 billion) as recommended by the IAEA and conventional weapons. Of course we aren't going to build a muon detector network because it would mean our nukes would show up on there too.

    2. Re: Nuke Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zero, traditional ordinances can handle NK.

    3. Re:Nuke Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't like Steve Bannon, but I think he had a good talking point on this:

      “Until somebody solves the part of the equation that shows me that 10 million people in Seoul don’t die in the first 30 minutes from conventional weapons, I don’t know what you’re talking about, there’s no military solution here, they got us.”

    4. Re:Nuke Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ... reasonable estimate of how many nukes ...

      The first problem is, most of NK's known missile batteries are empty, making it difficult to know which ones should be disabled as a precaution and which turned into a radioactive desert. The second problem is that detection of hidden missile batteries is done by eyes-on-the-ground, especially in NK where most of the real missiles are mobile; which the US is bad at, is extra-difficult in enemy territory, and the US uses for political point-scoring (eg. WMDs in Iraq), not actual military intelligence. The third problem is that NK has an ally, China, that makes sure nobody starts a full-scale attack. The fourth problem is history: The US war machine is 1,000 times more dangerous than 70 years ago but NK/China have proven they can/will fight the US to a standstill. The USA doesn't want to risk that happening again.

    5. Re:Nuke Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's also very wrong. For a number of reasons, there's not many actual scenarios where "10 million people in Seoul die in 30 minutes". The worst case scenario (barring nuclear delivery, which is HIGHLY unlikely) is FAR lower than that. By repeating this, you, and Bannon, demonstrate a real lack of tactical understanding of NK's conventional capabilities, training, and C&C. Stratfor has a good discussion on the topic. Cue the gaggots talking about the source without consulting the cites.

      https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/how-north-korea-would-retaliate

      Captcha: massacre

    6. Re:Nuke Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you counting hidden nuclear subs with nuclear warheads hidden throughout the planet's oceans?

    7. Re:Nuke Math by Xest · · Score: 1

      Only 1 - Once you've hit Pyongyang's annual military parade with it you've destroyed the entire North Korean leadership and 90% of their military capabilities all in one shot.

    8. Re:Nuke Math by gtall · · Score: 1

      I see you have never heard of "nuclear fallout" and "prevailing winds" in the same sentence. What kind of an idiot would decide to nuke a country upwind from the U.S....oh shit, never mind....

    9. Re: Nuke Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fight is to a standstill eh? Got news for you: this isn't 1952 any more and we have clusterbomb equipped Tomahawk cruise missiles which will a) go in autonomously without risking pilots and b) nullify their numerical troop advantage. As soon as the SAMs are gone the A-10s will kick it and start decimating the survivors.

      The only thing I really worry about is Raytheon in Tucson keeping up with the demand for Tomahawks.

      We rarely go full out (last time we did was Desert Storm when I was in, and make no mistake the only other major player there was the U.K.), but when we do we will fuck your shit up. No pussy footing around, just a lot of killing.

      No nation building needed for North Korea; just a lot of NorKo KIA and reinforcing the DMZ after stabilization (e.g. fresh mines to replace the old ones that are overrun when 2nd Infantry Division gets murdered). Then it's China's fucking problem with the refugees. The North Korean population is absolutely not our concern.

      China wants that US dollar and then sits on its hands with respect to this? Then China can clean up the fucking mess.

    10. Re:Nuke Math by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      I've always thought military parades were a very bad idea for that very reason. However a pre-eminent strike that also kills thousands of innocent civilians is not going to win you much support.

      Anything that happens, Seoul will be leveled by traditional artillery. The NK leadership must know that any military conflict is a suicide mission and they simply want to inflict as much damage as they can.

      --
      "Action without philosophy is a lethal weapon; philosophy without action is worthless."
    11. Re: Nuke Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And idiocy like yours is the #1 reason China isn't more willing to help out.
      Maybe you shouldalso realise the US has lost every war its been in recently. Do you want to add another?

    12. Re:Nuke Math by Xest · · Score: 1

      "Anything that happens, Seoul will be leveled by traditional artillery."

      Apparently this is largely a myth, North Koreas only long range artillery is pretty large and slow to move around. It's also not particularly numerous. As such whilst it would do some nasty damage in Seoul you'd probably only be talking a few hundred dead before counter-fire destroyed all that long range artillery.

      The rest of the artillery would have to come close to the border to hit Seoul, and so would likely have already been flattened by an armada of M1 Abrams and A-10s before it even got close enough to fire.

      Hence why the argument that North Korea could level Seoul with conventional artillery is basically entirely false - at most it'd probably kill a few thousand in a city of 10 million.

      Honestly the primary reason not to start a war with NK is the risk of the Chinese marching South and a potential repeat of the last Korean War (well, technically the current one given that that one never ended). But really, it's getting to the point where people are rightly questioning whether it's sufficient to just topple the NK regime and let China do what the fuck they want with the country after that. To be clear, many more people have died to NK dicking around over the last 70 years than would die to a NK attack on Seoul, and a nuclear armed NK would risk a far greater number of lives - this would genuinely put all 10 million at risk, rather than just a few thousand.

    13. Re: Nuke Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you seen what the Tomahawks did in Syria? Less than one in two reached their targets. An airfield was damaged. It was repaired the following day and planes took off again.
      Boring!

      Also, they in Korea survived a total war already, had to move their country underground pretty much. Factories, living spaces etc.
      So they're like a million-strong real version of the Tesla/Musk Boring Company, helped by the military's absolute control of everything and the lack of any other infrastructure.
      Their stuff will be stored in the inside of mountains. Drive a truck out of the mountain, fire the missiles, drive back into the mountain, etc.

      You'll spend your war blowing up bunker entrances, which will likely be pretty effective except it's going to be long and you might miss some of them, or it's unclear which are used or not used, or a hundred people with shovels and pickaxes and bare hands will fix stuff you blown up.

      Meanwhile, you try to go into a country where any foreigners are obviously foreigners and even four-year-old kids want to thrust a bayonet into you. Surely many areas will break down, no food and fuel to fight you. But they've been expecting you. Still, it's the only country in the world where everyone's purpose in life is to train to defeat invading Americans. So, we'll have to see how well you're received.

  10. Trump will ignore it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump, a feckless leader, won't do anything.
    Trump is too afraid of looking bad. Trump set a line, and Kim Jong Un who is an evil leader with authority Trump only dreams of having, crossed it many times. Trump is barking dog next to Kim. Trump is a coward.

    1. Re: Trump will ignore it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, but Hillary would have just ignored the problem if Dear Leader "donated" a few million to the Clinton Foundation.

    2. Re: Trump will ignore it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So either way, same outcome. Just because Trump being better than Hillary doesn't mean anything. A lot of things are better than Hillary.

    3. Re: Trump will ignore it by murdocj · · Score: 1

      Enough with the OMG Hillary BS. She's not president. Trumpsky is. And he's doing EXACTLY what every president before him has done... trying to apply pressure via China to stop NK. His "secret plans" are apparently so secret even he doesn't know what they are.

    4. Re: Trump will ignore it by serviscope_minor · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but Hillary would have just ignored the problem if Dear Leader "donated" a few million to the Clinton Foundation.

      Wow, you must be a Trumpanzee.
      * Invent thing you think Hillary might have done
      * Get angry about it.

      Take responsibility for the racist, constitution-hating president you elected[*]. Stop blaming everyone else.

      [*]He pardoned Arpaio for flagrant abuses of the constitution. If you defend people who hate the constitution, then you too hate the constitution.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    5. Re: Trump will ignore it by fafalone · · Score: 0

      The funniest thing is the Trumptards haven't come up with a single thing she may or may not be guilty of that are worse than what Trump openly says and does every time he runs his cockholster.
      It's just like with the pardon, that Bill Clinton made a bad pardon means Trump is entitled to and should be applauded for pardoning someone even worse for even worse reasons.

  11. Re: "Megalomaniac"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't like WWP, antifa or NK. But I can agree with them on that one point. Oh and the basic "fascism is bad" thing, I agree with that too. That's about it though, those guys cross the line for fun and it seems they don't really know what fascism is anyways.

  12. You'll LOVE IT! by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Try to extinguish any fires? Sure, right after I put myself out. Go ahead Kimmy, shoot one over the USA to test our reaction. You'll LOVE IT!

  13. Re:North Korea is a bastion of peace . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cuba-United_States_aircraft_hijackings

    in the 60's and 70's, the communists left on their own, and were usually treated poorly by the Cuban leaders that they fled to.

  14. This would work by boudie2 · · Score: 1

    Has anyone thought of putting a small thermonuclear device in Dennis Rodman and sending him back over to Pyongyang.

    1. Re:This would work by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

      Next time on Celebrity suicide missions.

    2. Re: This would work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even North Korean customs would notice Dennis Rodman's head had swollen by 50 pounds.

    3. Re:This would work by oobayly · · Score: 2

      Celebrity suicide missions

      From the producers of "Big Brother Death Match" - the show where the contestants have to kill one household member a week.

    4. Re:This would work by gtall · · Score: 1

      I thought Dennis Rodman was a small nuclear device. Maybe el Presidente Tweetie will start hosting him the Oval Office, it's all about the ratings y'know.

  15. Seoul will take big damage from shelling and maybe by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Seoul will take big damage from shelling and maybe even some chemical attacks

  16. Today it's just a test... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... but one of these days, Godzilla WILL be returning.

  17. if north korea hits some one they will be gone by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    if North Korea hits some one they will be gone.

    They are playing a big game of chicken and no china will not save them

    1. Re: if north korea hits some one they will be gone by backslashdot · · Score: 1

      We are going to wait until they build up a huge arsenal?

    2. Re: if north korea hits some one they will be gone by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      a first strike will need to be big and fast or at the very least Seoul will take big damage from shelling. And the nukes are bigger thing to take out then stopping Seoul from being hit.

    3. Re: if north korea hits some one they will be gone by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Brilliant. Lets start a nuclear war now while it'll be small. A lot of powerful people thought like you back in the Cold War. I'm glad they never got to try out their idea.

      We also might try to avoid war all together.

    4. Re: if north korea hits some one they will be gone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, to be fair, despite the connection with the cold war... NK gov is seriously delusional, I think that difference might actually make it a good strategy, otherwise it truly does seem like sitting on a ticking time bomb. They are very unlikely to even able to deliver an A-bomb yet, sending empty rockets is a far easier show of force.

    5. Re: if north korea hits some one they will be gone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >avoid war altogether
      Is that what you tell your wife's son?

    6. Re: if north korea hits some one they will be gone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The cold war worked out really well? Russia now gets to do whatever they want, .. invade Ukraine ..no problem. Annex crimea .. no problem. Influence Poland elections .. no problem. Select our president ..no problem!

      The only way to avert nuclear war is to ensure as few as possible people have them. If we keep allowing countries to have them, it makes the situation even worse. And yes, ideally even we wouldn't have them. If the Soviet nuclear program was shutdown in the early days we wouldnt have the nuclear threat would be even less.

  18. Re: Nazis are Scum by murdocj · · Score: 0

    As opposed to the current set of "only white Christians have rights, we can kill the rest of you" torch carrying Nazis?

  19. Tuesday, the missile was fired on Tuesday by at10u8 · · Score: 1

    The headline writer is in the wrong time zone.

  20. Both by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both of them.

  21. Here's a crazy ballz idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    America could stop doing wargames in North Korea's backyard twice a year.
    What am I thinking? What's a few million civilian deaths in determining which psychopathic government are the biggest assholes?

  22. Re: Nazis are Scum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think he means hard-edged storm troopers vs. today's doughy keyboard kommandos.

  23. Scaremongering by djinn6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What's the point of scaring everyone with this? If it's a missile test, it would have been announced beforehand to anyone who cares to listen. If it's a real attack, then there's no point telling people to put out fires started by the missile. I suspect there's a political reason they're doing this, maybe to get the public riled up to join a US-led coalition agains NK, or maybe just for more defense budget.

    1. Re:Scaremongering by Solandri · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is no political reason. The U.S. would be involved whether or not they activated the sirens. The U.S. is obligated by treaties wrapping up the loose ends of WWII to provide for Japan's defense against foreign attack. The treaties and Japanese Constitution limit Japan's military to operating domestically to repel an invasion. The JSDF is not allowed to operate outside Japan, though that clause has been stretched recently to allow Japan to participate in UN peacekeeping missions. Since that leaves Japan extremely vulnerable to foreign attack, the treaties make defending Japan from outside Japan's borders the responsibility of the U.S.

      So in this particular case (foreign missile overflying Japan), not only is a U.S. response warranted, it's required.

    2. Re:Scaremongering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to prime minister Abe, the constitution allows Japan's military to operate more than just domestically, but can operate anywhere, whenever a close ally is being threatened. Considering that the US gets into to fights with a large majority of countries in the world, Japan's military can also operate in large amounts of places. Japan even has a military base currently in operation in Djibouti.

    3. Re:Scaremongering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in Japan. For several years Prime Minister Abe has been trying to change the constitution so that "defending an ally" is equivalent to "defending Japan". This would allow Japan to participate in foreign wars. This move is HIGHLY unpopular. So unpopular, in fact that Abe was forced to resign and the Liberal Democratic Party was voted out of office. This turn of events was widely reported in the western media as being due to Abe's unpopular financial policies (which are admittedly insane -- he took Reaganomics and modified it slightly by replacing the word "Reagan" with "Abe"), but in reality it was due to the constitutional change. Somehow Abe returned (although the LDP's return was pretty much guaranteed) and vowed to continue his crazy policies. The constitutional change is SO unpopular, though, that the emperor of Japan (!) requested a whole new set of constitutional laws to be drafted in order that he can retire -- the idea being that this would occupy enough time for a general election to be held before Abe can change the constitution.

      Donald Trump is undoubtedly the best thing that could ever have happened to Abe. Not only did he miraculously throw away the TPP, but the "We must do something about the madman in North Korea" rhetoric has reached new heights.

      Having said that, this kind of disaster preparedness is the norm in Japan. It is completely normal. I remember getting woken up at 2 in the morning with an announcement that Mount Fuji was erupting. It wasn't, of course. A nearby volcano (over 100 km from me) had gone into a warning mode that you should evacuate if you live within 2 km. It also did not erupt. I don't live in the area affected by the missile warnings, but I would have been shocked if warnings of this sort *hadn't* been issued.

    4. Re:Scaremongering by gtall · · Score: 1

      Because allowing the Norks to perfect their missile technology is a bad idea for the future when they might use it?

    5. Re:Scaremongering by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What's the point of scaring everyone with this?

      What's the point of an alert system?

      If it's a missile test, it would have been announced beforehand to anyone who cares to listen.

      Ahh but was it? As far as I could tell this came as somewhat of a surprise. And even if it was, and even if the intended destination was announced, NK's missiles do not have a reputation of reliably getting all the way to their target. Many seem to fall out of the sky early.

      If it's a real attack, then there's no point telling people to put out fires started by the missile.

      Of course there is. Context of what happens in a disaster is important to an emergency response. Was that explosion right now a terrorist attack with local threats still present, or was it a one off ordinance where we can go in and provide aid and mittigate further damage straight away? Maybe it was a gas explosion and therefore people shouldn't go into the area. There's a lot that can change with a bit of context.

      I suspect there's a political reason they're doing this

      Yes there is. An emergency alert system that doesn't announce an emergency due to someone in the government deciding it shouldn't definitely would have political consequences if an incident happened.

    6. Re:Scaremongering by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      North Korean missiles aren't the most reliable... it was completely plausible for the thing to fail and land in Japan, even if they had intended for it to land in the ocean.

      I'm surprised you didn't take your conspiracy theory one step farther and claim it wasn't actually a missile from N. Korea, but one launched from a US submarine in conjunction with the Japanese government to stir up anti N. Korea sentiment.

      Back to reality, the whole event didn't take very long. You honestly believe there was enough time for the government to assemble and collude on something such as this?

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    7. Re:Scaremongering by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      You're really lucky that Fuji didn't go off that day. How long would it take to evacuate the approximately eleven million people from Fifth Station, first stop on the pilgrimage trail up the mountain?

    8. Re:Scaremongering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not scaremongering.

      Imagine that the Japanese government did not activate their elaborate public alarm systems. What does the average Japanese citizen think? "Why isn't my government aware of this? Or have they abandoned me? What should I do, knowing the missile is there?" That is the reason for exercising the civil defense systems.

      Also, you missed a huge (and very probable) possibility. The Japanese government likely knows this was a test, but what happens if the test fails and the missile falls on inhabited areas? There could be impact damage, explosions and fires. People could be hurt or worse.

      Thus it is not a simple binary choice of "It's a Test and therefore Harmless, or it's War and Nothing Can Be Done."

    9. Re:Scaremongering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The average number of daily climbers is only a few thousand. The absolute maximum is about 8 thousand, but usually there are between 2-6 thousand on the mountain at any given time. Evacuating the fifth station is not that difficult assuming you have enough busses. Getting everybody off the mountain would take about 6 hours, though, because the decent is actually fairly tricky (it's much easier going up than down because there is a lot of loose gravel). I would expect quite a few injuries. It's been a few years since I've been there, but I *think* there is a service road up to the 7th (?) station.

      Like I said, though, you would be unlikely have (many) people climbing the mountain during these times. They have monitors on the known vents and if they detect gasses escaping, the alarms go off. This doesn't stop some people from stupidly climbing, though. Every year people die on Mount Fuji because they climb at times when they are told that it is unsafe (usually because of weather).

    10. Re:Scaremongering by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      When WWII ended neither the US nor Japan was amicable with each other.

      We are well past the friendship stage now ... and well past the point of needing to retire that treaty.

      It served its purpose. Belongs in the waste bin of history now.

  24. N.Korea is getting desperate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for attention. I think they may be in trouble, this series increasingly provocative tests are their last gasps of cry for help.

  25. "Missile Test Monday" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First there was "Dress-down Friday", and now there's "Missile Test Monday", apparently, at least in North Korea, according to Slashdot.

    1. Re: "Missile Test Monday" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you dolphin....fuck you whaleeeeee.

  26. Re:North Korea is a bastion of peace . . . by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Well, when you consider the possible impact either country can have on your life, you'll notice that the potential influence NKor has is negligible.

    Yes, it sure is the worse government. But then again, the recent storm (or whatever it was) in the US was certainly also worse than the hail we had here yesterday, yet the latter did damage my car while the former didn't really affect me.

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  27. Re: Nazis are Scum by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    So the people marching with swastikas and shouting "Heil Hitler", "blood and soil" and etc aren't Nazis?

    I'll think I'll take this chap's opinion over yours.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Har...

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  28. Re: Nazis are Scum by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Lump them together with the "only black lives matter" idiots and sell the rights on pay per view.

    Whoever loses
    We win

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  29. Orbit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "No country should have missiles flying over them like those 130 million people in Japan," the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations said Monday.

    Reaching orbit is going to be damn hard for any country not located next to a huge ocean.

    And finding an orbit that doesn't involve flying over any country is going to be even harder.

    1. Re:Orbit by oobayly · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It wasn't in orbit, but its apogee reached about 550 km - well above the Karman Line. I'd be interested to know how long it takes sensors to determine the rough impact location based on the launch profile. Course adjustments are possible during boost, coast and re-entry (whether NK has that ability is another unknown*), so it's probably a bad idea to look at the profile and say "Japan's OK".

      I'd actually like to see a 3d view of NK missile launches in Google Earth - some of their previous launches reached apogees of 3,725 km, which is far greater than that required normally. It also means their missiles are undergoing far higher re-entry forces than they would operationally.

      * For us. NORAD, etc probably have a good idea of the capabilities.

  30. Ninjas are the solutions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Snake Eyes, Scarlett and Storm Shadow

  31. Re:North Korea is a bastion of peace . . . by gtall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Four words: nuclear fallout, prevailing winds.

  32. Boycott Made in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only solution is to tighten up the screws on China and let them take care of North Korea (peacefully or not).

    If Japan, South Korea, and the US made it clear they would start punishing Chinese exports (e.g., via tariffs), China would have an incentive to take care of this.

    In addition, the US could also pursue military deployments to Taiwan and the tiny disputed islands in the Sea of Japan (maybe a radar station here in there) arguing that they are necessary in order to counter the threat. These are likely to upset China quite a bit.

    I just do not see China taking a hit on its bottom line in order to save North Korea. If we tighten the screws on China, they will figure out a way to take of this problem for us.

    Arguably, Clinton should have never allowed China in the WTO without a solution for North Korea

    1. Re:Boycott Made in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So if China is going to have a war with the US in your 'scenario', they may as well take Taiwan while they are at it, since they're fighting either way. You are advocating that the 'solution' to north Korea, is for the US to encourage China to take back Taiwan by force?

      Why not just tell China that if they take care of North Korea, they can keep it as new territory, and give them the South China Sea, since it's theirs anyway after WW2 treaties.

  33. Re:North Korea is a bastion of peace . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep. Too bad we can't trade PDRK political prisoners for ANTIFA members. The latter could live in their utopia.

    An authoritarian dictatorship where the people are indoctrinated to a glorification of the state in order to disguise their own impoverishment?

    I'm pretty sure that's...actually fascism.

    The fact is, El Grande Trumputin and his followers would love to make everything in North Korea happen here.

    Private profit, public exploitation.

  34. WTF by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    WTF is ''more than it is fair share'' supposed to mean?

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    1. Re:WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somone typed "it's" instead of "its" and it got expanded by a script, editor, or their own fingers typing it?

  35. Re:North Korea is a bastion of peace . . . by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Bomb away. Whoever loses, the rest of the world is a better place.

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  36. Re:North Korea is a bastion of peace . . . by InvalidsYnc · · Score: 2

    The fact is, El Grande Trumputin and his followers would love to make everything in North Korea happen here.

    Private profit, public exploitation.

    Wow, you are so incredibly deluded. I would be scared as hell to live anywhere near YOUR reality (which is pretty f'ed up).

  37. What's a reasonable response? by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 1

    Would NK freak out if Japan decided to shoot down the warhead? Technically it's flying over their territory. Does that set a bad precedent?

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    1. Re:What's a reasonable response? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a de-escalating event to shoot down an overflying missile, that's for sure.

      Anyhow NK is infamous for freaking out over just about everything. If we sent them a cargo ship loaded with rutabagas, for free, they would freak out. You get the whole 'State TV Announcer With Stentorian Voice And Overwrought Rhetoric' treatment. Something like this:

      "The US Devil-Dogs have initiated hostilities by cruelly sending NK a ship full of rutabagas! No one in NK likes rutabagas, the Great Leader banned them in 1962! Our Heroic Defense Forces will strike at the black heart of the evil and corrupt US! Long Live the Great Leader!!"

    2. Re:What's a reasonable response? by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      Not sure about equivocating de-escalation with good.

      Sorry, guys. Our nations population is now 5% of what it was before, but the diplomats are happy. Also the people who believe in overpopulation are happy also.

  38. Re:North Korea is a bastion of peace . . . by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

    Many people would like the sort of set up Un has. I'm almost certain that trump is one of them.
    Many of the people who follow trump enjoy the idea of putting a boot to someone's face but cry like babies when they're the face and not the boot.

    We're all humans we just have a more robust set of checks and balances built into our society than North Korea does.

  39. Re:North Korea is a bastion of peace . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The fact is, El Grande Trumputin and his followers would love to make everything in North Korea happen here.

    Private profit, public exploitation.

    Wow, you are so incredibly deluded.

    Let's see, fake photos of himself in all his grandiose infrastructures. Documented history of fraud and exploitation. Vituperative scorn for anybody who opposes him. Great need for continual praise and affirmation. Exactly how is ANY of this NOT an accurate description of Donald Trump? And what would his followers not love, if exactly what Trump tells them to want? Do they not want to capriciously punish with vindictiveness their enemies? Do they not want anybody who opposes them to be ruthlessly crushed? Do they not want to make others pay for their demands?

    I would be scared as hell to live anywhere near YOUR reality (which is pretty f'ed up).

    That is the reality you live in. Enjoy your world.

  40. Re: Nazis are Scum by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    And... fat, ignorant Bible-thumpers still aren't National Socialists, no matter how effectively the retards have bought into the new narrative. Thanks for playing, though!

  41. Re:North Korea is a bastion of peace . . . by TuringTest · · Score: 1

    In case of nuclear war, there's no "rest of the world" where to hide in.

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