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Billionaire Brothers Want to Build a Cheaper Rival to Slack (bloomberg.com)

Saritha Rai, writing for Bloomberg: A teenage entrepreneur who became a millionaire by 20 before sharing a billion-dollar fortune at 36, Bhavin Turakhia isn't afraid to think big. Now he's putting $45 million of his own money into building a rival to Slack and other office messaging platforms. Flock, a cloud-based team collaboration service, has attracted 25,000 enterprise users and customers including Tim Hortons, Whirlpool and Princeton University. It's a market that has already drawn interest from global technology giants Facebook, Amazon.com and Microsoft. This time last year, few had heard of Bhavin and his younger brother Divyank. That changed when they sold their advertising technology company Media.net, with customers including Yahoo, CNN and the New York Times, to a Chinese consortium for $900 million. The all-cash deal catapulted the duo from mere millionaires into the ranks of the super-rich. "I want to make Flock bigger and better than anything I've built before," Bhavin Turakhia, wearing his signature dark Levi's T-shirt and Puma sweatpants, said at his Bangalore offices.

93 comments

  1. IRC is still free I think by oldmacdonald · · Score: 4

    That's cheaper than slack

    1. Re:IRC is still free I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think you meant "IRC is still free IIRC."

    2. Re:IRC is still free I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Jabba, xmpp. But regardless, Social media has become the new Internet Explorer to the internet. I'd say all communication platforms should comply with open standards that allow for extension and growth. The problem is that none of it is. We have IRC (rfc1459) we have xmpp (rfcXYXYX) and then the populated platforms run on totally un-standardised closed platforms. I'd say both Apple and Google would welcome such an initiative.

      Social media should be decentralised it should interconnected and controlled by choice within the home, people should visit their local tech and be consulted on what types of infastructure their family comminucation needs and then provides packages solutions. Lets say politics, literally i say fuck facebook will tell me or my children what is and is not right. I'd perfer it be if there is bias the final filter is my own.

      The way to do this is treat Social Media as we treat web standards, decentralised and common.

    3. Re:IRC is still free I think by oldmacdonald · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up!

    4. Re:IRC is still free I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly what I was thinking:

      UnrealIRCd

      How many times does this need to be reinvented?

      It never fails to amaze me how big business will completely ignore existing long proven solutions in favor of bad reinventions because "shiny".

      I guess it has to be written python by a hipster on a Mac with a horribad UI for modern businesses to even consider it as an option.

      Oh, and get the fuck off my non-existent lawn.

    5. Re:IRC is still free I think by flacco · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Mattermost is also free, self-hostable, and *very* Slack-like. I like it better.

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    6. Re:IRC is still free I think by Slashdot+Junky · · Score: 1

      This is funny.

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    7. Re:IRC is still free I think by Afty0r · · Score: 1

      Sweet, what's the API like?

    8. Re:IRC is still free I think by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      Pfft. Python on a Mac? How backwards are you?

      You should be writing javascript /w angular 2 and react and at least 2 other frameworks that are no less recent than 6 months, using your iPad.

    9. Re:IRC is still free I think by kwerle · · Score: 1
    10. Re:IRC is still free I think by Luthair · · Score: 2

      The easiest way is to have an archive on a webserver somewhere and just a normal IRC client. If that isn't sufficient - congratulations you turned chat into email. Have fun.

    11. Re:IRC is still free I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure Jan.

    12. Re:IRC is still free I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Define normal IRC client for a smartphone, because I've never found one that can keep you connected to the server all the time. Slack and it's competitors just work.

    13. Re:IRC is still free I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sweet, what's the API like?

      It's not clear whether you're asking about IRC, Mattermost, or neither as a joke.
      https://api.mattermost.com/
      The Mattermost slash command bot interface (e.g., "/mybot do a thing") is a pretty simple POST to any web server.

    14. Re:IRC is still free I think by Ayano · · Score: 1

      Ham Radio is also still free. Why don't we all use that? Hmm.

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    15. Re:IRC is still free I think by null+etc. · · Score: 1

      No, iIRC is an Apple competitor to IRC, with the tagline "IRC - It's Real Crap".

    16. Re:IRC is still free I think by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Pfft. Python on a Mac? How backwards are you?

      You should be writing javascript /w angular 2 and react and at least 2 other frameworks that are no less recent than 6 months, using your iPad.

      That is, after all, how we got Hangouts.

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    17. Re:IRC is still free I think by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      Yahoo Mail is better than GMail at this point.Gmail hasn't added any quality-of-life improvements in years. I'd be curious as to what all the engineers that support GMail actually do since Marissa Myers left.

    18. Re:IRC is still free I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because when I tried to use one of them thar pictographie-thingies the upload failed.

    19. Re:IRC is still free I think by Luthair · · Score: 1

      People went with Slack because its trendy, no other reason. A number of good tools already existed in the space.

    20. Re:IRC is still free I think by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      Only if you aren't hosting a server. It would still probably be $2-$3 a month to host a micro VM in the cloud.

      What really cracks me up is this comment:

      Criticism about being a copycat doesnâ(TM)t faze Bhavin and neither does Slackâ(TM)s high profile investors and lofty valuation.

      Copycat? Of what? Slack?! I like slack but Slack is just a copycat of AIM groups.

    21. Re:IRC is still free I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought cheaper Slack was called Discord, but good point.

    22. Re: IRC is still free I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its angular 4 now and vue is taking over

    23. Re: IRC is still free I think by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      Oh FFS. Only in the Javascript world can you be sarcastic and have it become a prediction. :P

    24. Re:IRC is still free I think by michael_wojcik · · Score: 1

      IRC doesn't let you see history without special bots and shit, it doesn't have built-in screen sharing or video, etc. I wish peolple would stop bringing up IRC as if it was really a competitor.

      Indeed. These are all reasons why it's better than Slack [he wrote, stroking his grey beard and frowning at the children frolicking perilously close to his lawn].

      'round these parts, we use RocketChat, which the Slack fans claim is a pale imitation. But I've seen some Slack demos and don't grasp the attraction. I'd take RC over Slack, IRC over RC, and Usenet over IRC. I've never found live messaging very useful.

  2. Yes .. exactly what we need .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Indeed what we need is yet another communication/messaging platform. Preferably one that is closed/proprietary and a walled garden.

    Hooray.

    1. Re:Yes .. exactly what we need .. by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2

      Actually, considering how big of a resource hog slack is, I'd love some competition.

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    2. Re:Yes .. exactly what we need .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've got the competition, pilgrim. Bangalore rat pimps the chicomz. Want more ?

    3. Re:Yes .. exactly what we need .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly Microsoft Teams will be the most used product since it is free with your O365 company cloud subscription. Would yo like project online with that too?

    4. Re:Yes .. exactly what we need .. by jmccue · · Score: 1

      And this is when I wish I had mod points.

      It is pretty sad when accessing slack via firefox uses less resources than the slack client. Makes you wonder what that client is doing :)

  3. With Mattermost and Rocket.Chat being free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    what would you need billionaires to help with?

    1. Re:With Mattermost and Rocket.Chat being free by aliquis · · Score: 2

      Hoarding the money?

    2. Re:With Mattermost and Rocket.Chat being free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I took a look at Mattermost yesterday, and I'm absolutely shocked at how familiar it is for someone coming from Slack. It looks like they straight-up Samsung'd the interface - it looks incredibly familiar to someone coming from the more expensive platform, but when you scratch at the surface you can see how thin the paint is.

      That being said, the price makes it very compelling, even if I do have to paste in JSON just to make the insanely blue bar that was giving me a headache go away.

    3. Re:With Mattermost and Rocket.Chat being free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BEEEEP. Petty American detected.

  4. IRC vs Slack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK. What is the difference between IRC and Slack. What makes people want Slack over IRC.
    They are seemingly the same to me.

    1. Re:IRC vs Slack by TFlan91 · · Score: 0

      Slack doesn't have the image of grey neckbeards or pimpled filled teenage nerds. That's all I can come up with

    2. Re:IRC vs Slack by Junta · · Score: 5, Informative

      You can make a slack out of irc, but:
      -Consistent server side log with conversation replay (you can kind of sort of do it with ZNC, but it's hokey, and you never know if the person you are talking to has seen or not seen what you said prior to them joining).
      -Sadly, network security has settled on a magical decision that ports 80 and 443 are secure, but others are not necessarily so. It's nonsensical, but the reality.
      -Consistent assumptions about how clients are/are not rendering your markdown or whatever, notably pasting things like images or weblinks will behave consistently regardless of who you sent it to

      So the biggest benefit IRC has is federation, which frankly isn't that helpful for smaller communities, and in fact netsplits make it more aggravating than helpful. A solution like mattermost is I think the best slack alternative. All the fancy webification and such people crave, no netsplits, and no cost and still open source.

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    3. Re:IRC vs Slack by Tanktalus · · Score: 3, Informative

      Slack is a push technology that operates even when you're offline. Coworkers on the other side of the world can post, and you can pick up the conversation when you get up. Conversations you start from home can be continued at the office, or en route (as long as you're not the driver).

      Slack has nearly everything IRC has, except netsplits, and builds on top: persistence, search (it's not great, but better than IRC), rendering, sharing of multimedia directly inline (images, videos, etc.), voice calls, including group calls, ability to thread messages even inside a single channel. And I'm probably missing some stuff.

      What you don't lose compared to IRC: channels, direct messages, slash commands, bots (it has an API you can use to write bots of varying interoperability), multiple servers connected simultaneously (I am connected to 4 slack domains in my slack client now, which is coincidentally also the number of IRC servers I'm connected to in my IRC client). Okay, so your existing IRC bots won't work as-is, but I don't treat that as a fatal flaw.

      What I do miss from IRC when in slack, especially a large slack, is individual operator access on a channel-by-channel basis. I don't need op access to #corporate-messaging, but as the team lead, it would be helpful to have some level of op restriction to #my-team-dev-chat. Then again, I don't see nearly as much eternal-september-type trolling, so it's not been a huge problem so far.

    4. Re:IRC vs Slack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slack is also resource hog, when you have more than 1 team.

      I'm still waiting when Telegram would get into corporate messaging, they have the best mobile client i have ever seen, and bot support is pretty good. If they open-source their server, it could be self-hosted, and would be best choice ever.
      Facebook workplace is on the opposite, one of worst (no bots, very limited search), unfortunately chosen by my employer.

    5. Re:IRC vs Slack by gladish · · Score: 2

      Yet another instant messaging client. I give slack 2-3 years before someone convinces us all that their new protocol and color scheme is better.

    6. Re:IRC vs Slack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever try staying connected to IRC on a smartphone? Good luck.

    7. Re:IRC vs Slack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever try putting the smartphone down once in a while?

    8. Re:IRC vs Slack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. Works a lot better when you use it.

    9. Re:IRC vs Slack by Junta · · Score: 1

      As much as I recognize the improvements slack provide, I'm right there with you with 'oh look, *another* messaging platform that thinks they'll not have their lunch eaten by a cheaper alternative'.

      Chat has never been a particularly healthy area for long term commercial viability.

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    10. Re:IRC vs Slack by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Slack has emoji!

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  5. XMPP too.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    although it really needs the format converted to JSON and support for SCTP for doing voice and video applications with it.

    1. Re:XMPP too.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      JSON, yuck.

    2. Re:XMPP too.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      HIPSTER ALERT!!!

    3. Re:XMPP too.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      msgpack is more efficient.

  6. Aside from an ad for Flock... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What was the point of that article?

    1. Re:Aside from an ad for Flock... by PCM2 · · Score: 2

      It was to let you know that when you're a rich douchebag, nobody cares if you wear sweatpants every day.

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    2. Re:Aside from an ad for Flock... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot the most important part of the article ...

      And that since you're a rich douchebag you can fill your wardrobe with whatever the fuck you like!

      I think that was the sentiment of the article. The rest of it just read nonsense to me.

  7. Sweat Pants by Gornkleschnitzer · · Score: 2

    I'm glad that TFA granted the courtesy of letting us know what Bhavin was wearing, as this has very important technical relevance.

  8. Mattermost, open source alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    With Mattermost there is also an open source alternative to slack which companies can host on there own.
    The pricing model for enterprise users is also very competitive.

  9. Matrix.org is free / Open Source by martiniturbide · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Check Riot (Client) and Matrix.org

    1. Re:Matrix.org is free / Open Source by martiniturbide · · Score: 3, Funny

      And the important thing. The Web version works on OS/2 Warp. https://riot.im/app/#/room/%23...

  10. Discord by flaming_bird · · Score: 1

    Discord already exists, and is free. It is a service meant for gamers first and foremost, but I, along with a lot of my colleagues, use it for a lot of non-gaming conversation, with Discord "rooms" for programming, organizing events, etc..

    1. Re:Discord by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      My kids have been using this for a couple years now, this is the first time I have seen mention of it online anywhere.

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    2. Re:Discord by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Dont fall in love with Discord, its only a matter of time until it becomes a massive ad-platform. Anything like this that is run from a centralized client is doomed to suck. If you want voice chat, pop up a self-hosted server, its absolutely trivial to do.

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    3. Re:Discord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Discord is Slack with a different coat of paint and some feature for its demo.
      It has the same flaws that Slack has.

    4. Re:Discord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      including fucktardian k0d3rz/millenials using it?

  11. All you corporate info are belong to us by future+assassin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And then we'll cash out once you suckers feed us enough of that info.

    I don't get it, why would large companies not control this kind of service themselves for security reasons?

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    1. Re:All you corporate info are belong to us by nnet · · Score: 1

      because your workers are not in the office, and when your companys network goes down for any reason, the workers/mgmt can still communicate with each other.

  12. MatterMost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    MatterMost is free, it looks and feels exactly like Slack. Problem solved.

  13. Mattermost! by flacco · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I use Slack daily at work, and a self-hosted Mattermost instance daily for personal projects with other remote participants. I much prefer Mattermost.

    At work I'll frequently make the mistake of trying to format my messages with markdown, because I'm so used to Mattermost offering this feature.

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  14. Bhavin... Divyank...smh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What happened to Bob and Tom? TRUMP 2020!

    1. Re:Bhavin... Divyank...smh by nnet · · Score: 1

      Bob retired in 2016. Now its Tom and Chick.

  15. Soo.. Rocket.Chat? Mattermost? Matrix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There are three viable alternatives to Slack that are pretty much the same thing.
    Rocket.chat even offers it's own hosting on a server basis, not a per user basis, making it significantly cheaper.

    These guys didn't do any market research before they thought of their idea eh?

  16. Thank you! by in10se · · Score: 1

    Oh, good. Because if there's one thing missing from the world, it's another messaging app.

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    1. Re:Thank you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I find amazing is that there are companies out there that build them... and even more amazingly, figure out a way to monetize this saturated field.

      e.g. ``I'm gonna get super rich by writing a.... chat app'' isn't as crazy as it may appear!

      (though I think much of the monetization is due to lockin of userbase---and everyone salivating of marketing potential to the captive audience).

  17. No Linux client? by JarekC · · Score: 2

    No Linux client? Would it really be THAT expensive? There are big companies, especially in the software development business, where engineering department runs Linux as their desktop OS. For such companies luck of Linux support is a deal breaker.

    1. Re:No Linux client? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why have an OS specific client at all? Web-based and perhaps a little zip/tarball for those who really want to install some HTML5 and JavaScript locally. It's not hard to launch Firefox without the normal toolbars.

      But honestly if you roll something in QT or even wxWidgets it will run on dozens of platforms without much effort. And coding in QT is easier than doing WinAPI or OSX directly.

    2. Re:No Linux client? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and all 500 of us :D

    3. Re:No Linux client? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are at least twelve of us.

    4. Re: No Linux client? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux desktop is not as exotic as you might think. I work for a multinational corpo at the moment, and RedHat is one of the three officially supported desktop systems for employees, with MacOS and MS Windows 7 being the other two.

    5. Re:No Linux client? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      seriously? another webtard thinks "webappz!!!!111one". Jesus. This is why we cannot, as a species, have nice things.

    6. Re:No Linux client? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      60 of us where I work.

    7. Re:No Linux client? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Given that you need to be connected to the internet to use your chat client, why wouldn't you do it as a web client? Seriously, do you have a reason at all?

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  19. Umm..what about Lync/Skype for Business? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't Microsoft pretty much give this to you to go along with all your Windows and Office licenses on your client machines, Windows Server, SQL Server, Exchange, etc. licenses prevalent across most shops?

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  21. Matrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody ever heard about Matrix messaging - https://matrix.org/?

    1. Re:Matrix by martiniturbide · · Score: 1

      Yes. It is super cool. https://riot.im/app/#/room/%23...

  22. Why are we slashvertising? by shellster_dude · · Score: 2

    There are already a million other options: Hipchat, Mattermost, Rocketchat, Lets-Chat, Discord...

    1. Re:Why are we slashvertising? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      It's a good opportunity for us to talk about Slack alternatives. Thanks for your contribution.

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    2. Re:Why are we slashvertising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And, for those on the Microsoft / Office 365 Ecosystem, Microsoft Teams.

      It's actually quite good.

    3. Re:Why are we slashvertising? by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

      Waiting for Microsoft to change the name in 3...2...1...

  23. Solution in search of a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I still don't know what's wrong with the combination of email, phone calls, IM, and whiteboards. It seems that people keep on trying to reinvent the wheel without acknowledging that their problem may be a people problem and not a technology problem....

  24. Go for Mattermost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its already there. Its called Mattermost.

  25. What exactly is Slack for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a legit question; at my office, all communication is either done over email or face-to-face. What additional role does Slack fill?

  26. Not hard. Make it office computer friendly by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

    We've already seen how Slack is a POS because it consumes resources like nobody's business - they just can't code crap.

    I mean, I hated it because it consumed 30% of the CPU - both in the browser and the "app" (which was just a browser on its own), showing me they can't code for the web worth crap.

    Doubly so when Discord I can have it open in a browser and it idles at 0%.

    So all you need to do is make it friendly on lower end machines and consume few resources and you will wonder how Slack gets away with their cpu and memory guzzling web site.

  27. Definitely not for dev teams by uulbri · · Score: 0

    Closed source, not even a Linux client this is clearly not targeting development teams ! Slack is not bad to kick-off a project. If you have infra, Mattermost or RocketChat coupled with some Jitsi-like video solutions may be your preferred setup...