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India's Workhorse Rocket Fails For the First Time In Decades (theverge.com)
India's premier rocket, known as the Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle, failed to put a navigation satellite into orbit earlier this morning, after some unknown malfunction prevented the satellite from leaving the vehicle. The Verge reports: The rocket successfully took off from the Satish Dhawan Space Centre in southeastern India at 9:30AM ET. About a little over 10 minutes into the flight, however, the rocket seemed to be in a lower altitude than it need to be. A host during the live broadcast of the launch noted that there was a "variation" in the rocket's performance. Later, an official with the Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO) confirmed that the payload fairing -- the cone-like structure that surrounds the satellite on the top of the rocket -- failed to separate and expose the satellite to space. So the satellite was effectively trapped inside the fairing and could not be deployed into orbit. It seems possible that the rocket's low trajectory had to do with the fact that the fairing didn't separate, making the vehicle heavier than it was supposed to be.
It's an unexpected failure for a fairly reliable rocket. Over the last 24 years, the PSLV has flown 41 times and has only suffered two failures in its launch history -- the most recent mishap occurring during a mission in 1997. However, that mission was not a total loss as the satellite it carried was still able to make it to orbit. This was the first total failure of the rocket to happen since the PSLV's very first failure in 1993.
It's an unexpected failure for a fairly reliable rocket. Over the last 24 years, the PSLV has flown 41 times and has only suffered two failures in its launch history -- the most recent mishap occurring during a mission in 1997. However, that mission was not a total loss as the satellite it carried was still able to make it to orbit. This was the first total failure of the rocket to happen since the PSLV's very first failure in 1993.
it was IRNSS-1H that was lost and so Space based Navigation System and Disaster Management Support will be reduced
anyone know of a good IRNSS receiver ?
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another failing satellite. Evidently some of the atomic clocks on the Indian equivalent to the U.S.'s GPS system are failing thus preventing their system from becoming functional. This will probably seriously further delay their system.
I believe that the system was limited (not for global use) to begin with, it was only meant to provide coverage for their part of the world (South Asia). Unfortunately this does not look good in comparison to the U.S., Russian, European and of course Chinese global systems. I have heard that the European system has also had problems, do they share the same vendor for their clocks? (I'm not sure but I heard the Indians outsourced their atomic clocks to a Swiss company?)
You're thinking of a different country.
...but couldn't go very far because the fairings did not separate earlier. So it is now a floating piece of junk inside the fairings that are still attached to the upper stage.
The whole thing was also in a much lower than intended orbit due to the extra weight of the fairings that should've been tossed off way earlier in the flight.
They are in sub Geosynchronous Transfer Orbit (sub GTO)
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Yeah, right. It's really easy to hide a rocket launch.
Not true. All Indian launches are known and documented.
They may have had failures in ground tests that we probably wouldn't know about, but that's normal. Pretty much every rocket engine/stage sheds its guts during testing at test stands at some point - and in some cases on purpose so operating limits can be determined.
Mediocrity reaching new heights all the time.
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Now it is 3 failures in 42 flights = 7% failure rate, or 1 in 14. Even the disastrous US Space Shuttles only had a 1.5% flight failure rate.
So these rockets are maybe not quite man rated, unless of course you have a large and redundant population to draw on...
2/41 = 4.89% failure rate.
What is consider reliable the world of rocketry, or is the story incorrectly conflating reliability with time (one failure every 12 years)?
Someone just forgot to do the needful. They'll reboot and try again.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
This is why I only use Rockomax Brand(TM) Decouplers! At twice the size of the next leading brand, they offer plenty of bang for your buck! And they come with handy arrows to indicate which side it will detach from.
Why do I have to use full size TM instead of the superscript in this day and age, oh Slashdot?
I don't see why they can't get this right, after so many launches. It's not rocket science.
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Some indian guy just rang me looking for your mum.
He wants his belt back.
It started making a funny "put-put-put" noise, but they mistook it for somebody talking.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
The article doesn't mention why the fairing failed to detach (Maybe it's too early to tell there will be a lot of telemetry to analyse). I'm sure whatever happened it will end up in their regression test pack for future launches.
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This is what happens when you start using American components. Indian rockets were pretty reliable when India did most of its business with Russia who build rugged stuff. Now India is buying a lot of shit made by Boeing and it shows. Probably the Quality guy had Monday night football to watch and just signed off instead of doing his work
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Has ISRO been doing that "women in spaceflight" superstition stuff too? I know Russia has, but I've never heard of anything from India about it. Russia even once blamed a technical mishap that could have killed the crew on the fact that there were two women aboard the craft. It appears to stem from the old naval superstition about women on ships being bad luck.
He's just being nice so my real father won't freeze him in carbonite and sell him for spice.
It will make no difference though to the more than 600 million Indian citizens who lack such basic facilities as running water, electricity and water - the Indian government, time and again, far more keen on engaging in international me-too, pissing contests than in tackling such mundane issues.
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No one mentioned heat sheild failure or that it was first private company built the satelite. "The IRNSS-1H, was built by a consortium led by Alpha Design Technologies, a defence equipment supplier from Bengaluru, over eight months. Led by Colonel HS Shankar, a team of 70 scientists from ISRO supervised the operations". Here is the link http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2017/aug/31/pslv-fails-to-deploy-indias-first-privately-built-satellite-isro-looking-for-answers-1650751.html
Yeah, right. It's really easy to hide a rocket launch.
It's not easy, but it's possible.
There were a lot of failures that went unreported
But nobody died, right? Unlike failures in other parts of the world.
It appears to stem from the old naval superstition about women on ships being bad luck.
It's not superstition. It's called *wisdom*.
I'm not really impressed by "India's Workhorse Rocket'.
It would be nice if India had a civilized rail system that didn't slaughter its passengers.
This is about the same failure rate the Feynman estimated for the space shuttle—and that one had human cargo.
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Algorithms to Live By (2016) is far from a perfect book, but it's about 20 dB less dunderheaded that the paragraph quoted from OP. When the book is not busy hitting soft pitches of its own manufacture, it offers up a unique (or less commonly seen) distillation of some important topics.
I got the most value from the chapter on Bayes rule.
* multiplicative rule: use for power-law prior
* average rule: use for normal prior
* additive rule: use for Erlang prior
In the power-law prior, your expectation is to continue waiting roughly (to a constant factor) as long as you've already been waiting.
Read that as "maximally surprising every damn time".
Lower layer of neural network: "My God, it's full of stars!"
Just a few layers up: "Well, an infinite dimensional object of impossible precision blacker than black wasn't going to divulge a small surprise in chapter N-1, was it now?"
For the normal distribution, you expect the average, until the event is already overdue (past average) and then you predict RSN (real soon now).
For the Erlang distribution, you just keep predicting "just five more minutes, I'm sure my quick fix will work this time!"
Raging against this kind of OP idiocy: definitely a power-law, on a data set so vast, even the stars feel lonely.
A lot of Indians shed their guts every day. On the street. It's a filthy country and the rocket probably got coated with bacteria which screwed up the trajectory.
You mean a *toy* rocket launch. Yes, that's possible. This is about orbital launch vehicles, though.
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Kerbal Space Program. Everyone knows you shoud always watch the launch, and manually deploy the fairing if it doesn't deploy by itself.