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TechRepublic: Mozilla 'Is Desperately Needed to Save the Web' (techrepublic.com)

"I can't remember the last time I cared about Mozilla," writes Matt Asay at TechRepublic. "I also can't remember a time when we needed it more." An anonymous reader quotes TechRepublic: Mozilla's Firefox is almost a rounding error in desktop market share, and nonexistent in mobile browser market share. It offers a few other services, like Pocket, but largely gets ignored... This is a mistake. Our world is increasingly mediated by the internet, and that internet has just a few gatekeepers, collecting tolls as we browse. As Python guru Matt Harrison put it, "Vendors control the default browser which 99.9% of people use." Those vendors are happy to sell us access to information. Nothing about it is free. You are most definitely the product.

On mobile, where the majority of the world's content is now consumed, Google and Facebook own eight of the top 10 apps, with apps devouring 87% of our time spent on smartphones and tablets, according to new comScore data. For that remaining 13% of time spent on the mobile web, Google and Apple offer the two dominant browsers... the majority of our time online is now mediated by just a few megacorporations, and for the most part their top incentive is to borrow our privacy just long enough to target an ad at us. Then there's Mozilla, an organization whose mantra is "Internet for people, not profit." That feels like a necessary voice to add to today's internet oligopoly, but it's not one we're hearing... We clearly need an organization standing up for web freedom, as expecting Google to do that is like asking the fox to guard the henhouse. Google does many great things, but its clear incentive is to sell ads. We are Google's product, as the saying goes.

The article applauds the Mozilla-sponsored Rust programming language as promising, "but not to save the web from the all-consuming embrace of Facebook and Google, especially as they wall off the experience in apps... "If I sound like I don't know what to propose Mozilla should do, it's because I don't. I simply feel strongly that the role Mozilla played in the early browser wars needs to be resurrected to save the web today."

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  1. Everyone knows what Mozilla needs to do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... except Mozilla.

    Every release they make the browser worse. Their mantra is "just like Chrome, except slower and with more bugs." No wonder people switch to Chrome.

    Firefox is supposed to be the browser that people use because they care - they want to customize, they want features, they want control. But with every release this slips a little farther away. Things constantly stop working, and it gets harder and harder for the extension makers to keep up.

    Oddly, Android is the one place where Firefox is still actually better than Chrome - because it's got a real ad blocker. Sure, it's slow and crashes all the time, but it's a worthwhile tradeoff.

    But at least there's Pocket! Oh yay.

    1. Re:Everyone knows what Mozilla needs to do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most extension makers have already given up. People who have been coding and maintaining extensions for decades are now retiring because Firefox kicked their extensions out. Running Firefox without extensions is just not an option. When all relevant Firefox extensions get disabled on November 14, I'll just try to stick with the last working version and hope there aren't too many exploits against it. But my enthusiasm for Mozilla is completely gone. I don't think they can "save the web" if they can't even keep their browser working.

  2. Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Mozilla is too busy trying to be an inferior version of Google as evidenced in their attempts to convert Firefox into an inferior version of Chrome.
    Mozilla lost its philosophy and soul during that period when it was subsidized by Google, and that's when everything started turning to shit for the company.
    As far as wasting money on diversity programs and social justice instead of improving its products, well the latest financial report that emphasizes ruin talks for itself.
    Forget about Mozilla, it's time to give some of the Firefox forks some support and attention. Mozilla has been corrupted by Google and its philosophy.

  3. Freedom via Mozilla by Etcetera · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ... As long as you don't think any incorrect thoughts. Then you can't work there any more.

    We absolutely need projects like Mozilla's to fight once again against monopolistic powers. But their focus must be on technology and OSS. Not prosecuting unrelated thought crimes.

  4. They dug their own grave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Firefox at one time had nearly half of all browser usage, but then they dumbed it down and moved things around just to follow fashions and trends, or just for the hell of it. And when users complained, they told them to shove it, more or less, which made their users go to chrome, safari, Opera, and even edge (lol).

    Firefox dug their own grave. As noble as their intentions may be to open up the Web, maybe they should first start by respecting their own customers.

    1. Re:They dug their own grave by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Mozilla reminds me of people who profess a desire for world peace, but then get into petty feuds with their neighbors. They can't seem put what they advocate into practice on a small scale, which tends to undermine confidence in their capacity to advocate and execute their larger mission.

      Mozilla has one project that really matters, and they employ a lot of people. Why Firefox isn't hands-down the world's best browser is beyond me.

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      Irony: Agile development has too much intertia to be abandoned now.
  5. Mozilla has spent almost 10 years... by Dracos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...specifically since January 8, 2008, working to be as irrelevant, feckless, and misguided as they are now. The only positive and notable thing they've done for the web in that time is Let's Encrypt.

    Two versions of Firefox from now, they will jettison what made their browser great: the extensions. Mozilla needs a radical change in direction to save itself.

    1. Re:Mozilla has spent almost 10 years... by theweatherelectric · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Two versions of Firefox from now, they will jettison what made their browser great: the extensions.

      Prove it. The extensions API is changing, that's all. I'm using the WebExtensions version of uBlock Origin (version 1.14.4) in Firefox 56 beta and it works fine. Tree Style Tab is another add-on people like and the WebExtensions version is in development.

      Add-ons will either migrate to the new API or they won't. If WebExtensions APIs to support your pet add-on are missing, then get involved and add them. Mozilla wants you to.

    2. Re:Mozilla has spent almost 10 years... by jez9999 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If WebExtensions APIs to support your pet add-on are missing, then get involved and add them.

      Why the hell should we? Mozilla ignored what their users wanted and scrapped an extensions architecture that worked fine. Now you want us to reward them by putting work in to port stuff over? Hell no.

    3. Re:Mozilla has spent almost 10 years... by Rockoon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There has never been a more obvious shill on this site.

      Thanks for breaking records.

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      "His name was James Damore."
    4. Re:Mozilla has spent almost 10 years... by Mashiki · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Try Firefox 57. What's the matter? Afraid you'll like it?

      Considering it's continuing down the path of failure the mozilla has pumped out ever since it's australis UI redesign? Note how that for many people was the beginning of the end? Have they seen a resurgence of people switching to them? Nope. Have they listened to people or just talk over them because "they know so much better what they want it to be instead of you." See that user decline when they decided to start becoming a political lobby? Yep.

      There's a reason they've lost user marketshare hand over fist for the last decade. It's all their own doing.

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      Om, nomnomnom...
    5. Re:Mozilla has spent almost 10 years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If WebExtensions APIs to support your pet add-on are missing, then get involved and add them. Mozilla wants you to.

      That's exactly the problem. Mozilla continues to head in the direction of a consumer shopping service and then they invite the tiny, tech-literate population to use extensions. Why doesn't Firefox have easily usable NoScript-type options? Why not block known 3rd-party trackers by default? Is it so radical to think people have a right not to be spied on? Instead they've hidden the script settings. They've hidden cookie settings, allowing 3rd-party cookies by default. They've hidden the status bar and encourage people to do all their browsing through a search engine.

      The list goes on. A case could be made that those changes are for convenience, but when options are actually removed (like javascript settings) that's coercion, not convenience. As someone else said, they became corrupted by the Google money. Matt Asay wants to know how it can be fixed? Simple: Always design with the idea that you're serving the customer. In this case, make it as easy as possible to protect privacy and security. Don't assume everyone wants to shop or go to Facebook. Don't treat people like idiots. Everyone knows how to get to Google or Yahoo. There's no need to let those companies take over the address bar. Just be honest. The beauty of a non-profit is that you don't have to be popular. Remember?

  6. That makes no sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Microsoft was punished because of the way it abused it's position and power in the market place. Linux is *chosen* by companies because of it's qualities (technical and otherwise), Linus doesn't go around twisting companies' arms.

    I really don't see who you would punish and how.

  7. Mozilla's CoC is driving contributors away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mozilla's Code of Conduct is driving contributors away.

    They should cherish their contributors who are voluntary spending their time trying to help.
    Instead when you use a word like "guys", you get blocked. I'm just stupified by the bullying behavior of Mozilla's employees: https://mzl.la/2gu5521