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Verizon Up Offers Rewards in Exchange For Customers' Personal Information (wsj.com)

Posted by msmash on from the no-shame dept.

An anonymous reader shares a report: A new Verizon rewards program, Verizon Up, provides credits that wireless subscribers can use for concert tickets, movie premieres and phone upgrades. But it comes with a catch: Customers must give the carrier access to their web-browsing history, app usage and location data, which Verizon says it uses to personalize the rewards and deliver targeted advertising as its customers browse the web. The trade-off is part of Verizon's effort to build a digital advertising business to compete with web giants Facebook and Google, which often already possess much of the same customer information. Even though Congress earlier this year dismantled tough privacy regulations on telecommunications providers, Verizon still wants customers to opt-in to its most comprehensive advertising program, called Verizon Selects. Data collected under the program is shared with Oath, the digital-media unit Verizon created when it bought AOL and Yahoo. Since access to data from customers could make it easier to tailor ads to their liking, Verizon hopes the information will help it gain advertising revenue to offset sluggish growth in its cellular business.See a current list of Verizon plans here.

74 comments

  1. They have had something like this for a while by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

    The name was different but they had something like this for a while... the advert talked up the points being able to pay for new phones and so on but the terms were the same as the creepy ones above. They can probably already do all sorts of squicky things with your phone data legally, giving them further permissions seemed unwise.

    1. Re:They have had something like this for a while by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

      ...and yet the odds of kids (under 25) allowing them to do jut that? Almost perfect. After all, what use do they have for privacy?

      Hate to say it, but Verizon's already done the math (no joke intended), and they see it as potentially profitable, IMHO precisely because of this.

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    2. Re: They have had something like this for a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fuck you Verizon!

      You'll *never* get anything from me!!!

      Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone.

    3. Re: They have had something like this for a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The carriers definitely need regular audits and to be prevented from this type of behavior.

    4. Re: They have had something like this for a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Double Fuck You Verizon! Why the fuck would I give you anymore of my information than what you already have for some shitty rewards. I can't wait until my phone is paid off to give you the big middle finger!

  2. Where is the problem? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    They can have full access to the VM I create for them for all I care.

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    1. Re:Where is the problem? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      You have a VM on your phone?

    2. Re:Where is the problem? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Apparently it becomes more and more a necessity.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    3. Re: Where is the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      F**K VZ!

    4. Re: Where is the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think they're going to care whether your http requests cone from a VM or not.

    5. Re:Where is the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone is eventually going to have to. It's just a matter of degrees for each individual, until they're pushed over the threshold from it be a really good idea, to it being a strictly necessary requirement.

      And for any OS which doesn't let you, it's time to start migrating away, whether you reached the tolerance threshold this month or not.

      That said, it looks like what Verizon is doing, is really just the next stage of evolution for what my grocery store has been doing for 25 years.

    6. Re:Where is the problem? by GNious · · Score: 1

      Could install some kind of Java based VM, perhaps Android compatible ...

      http://www.myriadgroup.com/en/...

  3. Umm... is that the same article from a month ago? by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just with more information and not paywalled?

    I mean this one.

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  4. Just Say No! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    To Verizon and AT&T. They're Ma Bell reincarnate, without any of the good parts.

    I'd rather have a cell phone with worse reception than give money to those monopolists.

    1. Re:Just Say No! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When your car slides into the ditch at 2AM and you're trapped, you may be singing a slightly different tune.

    2. Re: Just Say No! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      911 calls can be made on any network regardless of your operator. You can even make a 911 call without a SIM.

    3. Re:Just Say No! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The actions you take to mitigate risk should be proportional to the risk in question. I'm not selling myself out just for a 3% higher chance that after some theoretical car accident years from now I'll be able to call the tow truck from the comfort of the ditch instead of having to walk for a little while.

    4. Re:Just Say No! by pauljlucas · · Score: 1
      Ma Bell, pre-divestiture, despite being a monopoly, was in the business of providing the best land-line service in the world -- and they did. They also invented heavily into fundamental research (Bell Labs) not connected to how much money they could make from it. In return for this arrangement, despite being granted patents, they never enforced their exclusive rights on them effectively giving away their discoveries and inventions to humanity.

      Did they stifle competition? Absolutely. But there was a silver lining that was lost post-divestiture.

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      If you reply, do so only to what I explicitly wrote. If I didn't write it, don't assume or infer it.
  5. opt-in is the right approach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Verizon still wants customers to opt-in to its most comprehensive advertising program

    Credit where it's due: they at least made this opt-in instead of opt-out. That's the way this should be handled, and it's also the way Google, Facebook, Instagram, and others should be doing, rather than blanket mass surveillance.

    Now, people who sign up for this are foolish. But that's a separate topic.

    1. Re:opt-in is the right approach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google is already opt-in, just a checkbox in your settings or browse while not logged in. Simple.

      Facebook otoh is sneaky in everything they do.

      For example, ever tried deleting a Facebook account that you created years ago but forgot the password? First, it's 99% certain the account is locked out. Guess what your options are? That's right, the *only* option to get unblocked to request the deletion is to send them a copy of your passport or driver's license. No joke.

      So now they have a copy of your full details including legal name and, more importantly, your photo to feed into their engine. Even if you've tried avoiding being on their radar for years they'll suck you in. It's crafty too, since few privacy aware folks would be insane enough to actually hand over their passport, FB gets to count these accounts as non-deleted to please shareholders with inflated numbers.

      And for good measure here's an obligatory link to the Wiki FB criticisms page:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Facebook

    2. Re:opt-in is the right approach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't delete any account, they "soft-delete" it, I.E. it remains hidden. Should you decide ten years from now you want to rejoin, they'll restore your profile with all its friends and pictures.

    3. Re:opt-in is the right approach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google is already opt-in, just a checkbox in your settings or browse while not logged in.

      Not really... Their trackers run on almost every site on the internet, even if you never made a Google account or signed up for any of their services.

  6. Stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're trying to be "better" than google/facebook, but all you're doing is drawing attention to how terrible you all are in the first place.

    Learn from the best: Collect absolutely everything you want, bury the consent in the ToS, and if anyone complains tell them to fuck off because you're too big to avoid doing business with. Your competitors will soon follow your lead and within a year or two everything you're now so visibly guilty about doing will become industry standard, and everyone's profits go up.

    1. Re:Stupid. by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      You attitude is that they haven't done this already.

      They have.

      The article just says that they added a pseudo opt-in for appearances.

      I have Verizon and they have offered an extra 1GB if I would opt in. That was last year.

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      It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
  7. Opt-in is acceptable for this by sinij · · Score: 2

    While this program is a horrible violation of privacy, as long as the entire program is opt-in it is acceptable.

    1. Re:Opt-in is acceptable for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it really a violation of privacy if you give permission?

    2. Re:Opt-in is acceptable for this by sinij · · Score: 1

      It is still exhibitionism if you expose yourself to willing observers. It follows that this is still a violation of privacy even if you give permission.

    3. Re:Opt-in is acceptable for this by dark.nebulae · · Score: 1

      Opt-in is only for the "benefits". Trust me, they are still collecting and selling all of the other stuff w/ the regulation dismantlement by congress regardless of what they are telling us.

    4. Re:Opt-in is acceptable for this by swb · · Score: 1

      The problem is that it will be opt-in initially, and the people who take advantage of it will be the ones Verizon least wants to spy on -- cheapskates and naive young people.

      They don't really care about this data, what they want is the data of the people who won't opt in. Once they get enough clueless/careless people to opt in, they start making it a coercive opt-in -- you pay more not to opt-in. Then they take away the ability to opt-in at all.

    5. Re:Opt-in is acceptable for this by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      This part of the program is opt-in, but there are still plenty of things you need to opt-out of, I know this first hand.

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      Cheap storage VM.
    6. Re:Opt-in is acceptable for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think being direct and up front about it with the end user is a lot more honest than how it's being sold and implemented currently. The down side is that when the end user has more personal control over selling their own meta data for advertising purposes it's going to become more skewed towards that data only being valuable if you have capital to spend. I.e. - right now everyone gets the same discount when you go to the grocery store and use their data collection bar code scanner.

      What if the discounts for rich people were better, because the company knew they have more long term spending potential so they got a better deal, just like with credit cards?

  8. Re:Umm... is that the same article from a month ag by Tx · · Score: 2

    It'd just be slow news if it was only originally on Ars, but it was posted right here on slashdot too. Same story from a month ago.

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    Oh no... it's the future.
  9. as implies immediacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    correct is WHILE ... while verizon products browse the web, they are to be tracked, folder, spindled, and occasionally, mutilated.

    Speaking of mutilated, the time for talk has long passed. Time to release the NUKES is at hand, to end this mess once, and for all.

    1. Re:as implies immediacy by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Try this on yourself as a proof of concept.

      We won't be able to tell you how it turns out and stuff.

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      It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
  10. Don't look under that rock by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    Because Rule 34.

  11. Re:Ask arseholetechnica this, lol... apk by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Dude, take your pills. And I mean the ones the doc gave you, not the ones you get from the guy on the street corner.

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  12. Change your fake name to this ars shill... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Opportunist shill for losertechnica: Change your fake name for your FAKE LIFE to "Projectionist" instead, lol - you're projecting!

    * All those meds mentally weak LOSERS (that seem to congregate @ the arsehole, lol) like you PROJECTING your issues onto me, make me LAUGH (priceless)...

    APK

    P.S.=> It is, as always, a HUGE pleasure & highly amusing for me to SHIT ALL OVER you arsholetechnica do-nothing "ne'er-do-wells" publicly https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11076629&cid=55140795/ & especially you in the conclusion of that in my 'p.s.' terminating my post (& YOU with it, lol)... apk

    1. Re:Change your fake name to this ars shill... apk by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I really wish I knew what pooped into your cereals this morning, but ... whatever, go ahead.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    2. Re:Change your fake name to this ars shill... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You prove apk's point you project your issues onto him and he tore you arseholes up for it publicly https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11076629&cid=55140795/ how humiliating for you.

      I also see you're now trying to minus moderate hide it as usual with all your arseholetechnica fake accounts here too!

      Typical of the arseholes and their easily seen through tactics online. It was also funny how others tore you apart trying to crap on slashdot too in other replies like this one too by Tx https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11076629&cid=55140721/

  13. Paywall Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FYI, the link in the orginal story is pay walled.

  14. So.. WHO checks to see that opt outs are honored? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there a third party company that all of these opt-out services (Including the Evil Windows 10 which probably has privacy off sliders just to make you feel good?) can go for verification so they can display a verified seal? Seems like a good business.

    Oh, Orwell must've had a tardis.

  15. Oath? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So which oath is it exactly?
    The F*** one ore the S*** one?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

  16. Re:Umm... is that the same article from a month ag by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 1

    The editors are getting more and more sloppy in here... I miss the good old days...

  17. We'll trade you these strings of beads.. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    ..for ownership of the island of Manhattan.

    Also: Does anyone actually believe that they don't collect all that information anyway? They just want people to make it easier for them to do so. At least, until things get so bad that they force people to be monitored like this is China.

  18. Make a VM that fakes it all by trawg · · Score: 1

    It'd be a fun project to build a Linux VM that allows you to trivially spoof a bunch of random data to get access to this programme. And distribute it. I think amping up the noise against these things while trying to take advantage of the benefits is probably more effective than flat out boycotting.

  19. "sluggish growth in its cellular business" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    well, DUH. everybody has a fucking phone already. you want to "grow" your business? start thinking of CUSTOMERS instead of your executives' bonuses. start putting the CUSTOMER first instead of extra profits. LOWER prices, provide BETTER services, including an unadulterated internet, no customer data gathering, standing up for the customer against the great surveillance empires, and no fine-print shenanigans. THAT IS HOW YOU GROW a stagnant business in a saturated market.

  20. In Soviet Russia ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... network searches you!

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    Have gnu, will travel.
  21. What's old is new... (PowerAgent) by jtara · · Score: 1

    http://archive.fortune.com/mag...

    I was technical lead for the client-side of this.

    Best moments: "the cone of silence" ritual, and being deposed by David Boies.

  22. /. doesn't delete posts? Bullshit w/ proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Ask Peter "not too Bright" how his IRC server room did when I ran ars out of it (lol) & he was helpless vs. it. Tell him to get meds for his GOITER CHIN while you're @ it projecting on your meds problem (he needs it), lol!

    Ask Jeremy Reimer & his henchman Jay Little (the WANNABE expert on exchange I dusted on that very note) how them getting caught in email harassing me got their servers removed from their hosting providers @ Shaw of Canada & Crystaltech in the USA felt. I handed them their ASSES EASILY.

    * RoTfLmAo @ U "arseholetechnica" (Home of the blowhard bullshitter do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" online)...

    (Happy to see you here 'shilling' for that shithole - gives me the opportunity to crap ALL over you & "your kind" publicly)

    TRYING TO DOWNMOD HIDE FACTS & TRUTH I PUT OUT YOU CAN'T DENY 6x TOO? Priceless:

    https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11076629&cid=55140795/
    https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11076629&cid=55140931/
    https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11076629&cid=55141077/
    https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11076629&cid=55141101/
    https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11076629&cid=55141225/

    SEE SUBJECT: Whipslash the owner is a LYING BULLSHITTER - he deleted almost all of those!

    Proving my point you're cheating losers, nothing more.

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, I also got to CRAP ALL OVER "Maritz" too (another FAKE NAME for his FAKE LIFE arstechnica shill, like you Opportunist) this a.m. too no less (lol) https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11072697&cid=55140543/ - LOL - YOU TOO RAN FOR THE SAME REASON https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9818817&cid=53162837/

    Read 'em & weep - it's all there in black & white (I love it, lol)... apk

    1. Re:/. doesn't delete posts? Bullshit w/ proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy crap. Whipslash is flat busted lying about deleting posts on slashdot. Did you get screenshot proof?

    2. Re:/. doesn't delete posts? Bullshit w/ proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey! You're that famous gay spammer I read so much about, aren't you? What's that like, being a homo and all? Do you hate yourself like so many of them do? Or are you good with it? Really, man, tell us! Are you a catcher or a pitcher? Do you like to lick the "chocolate" off a man's cock, along with the glaze that comes out the end? I'm really fascinated by this. Tell us everything!

    3. Re:/. doesn't delete posts? Bullshit w/ proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apk's letting you destroy arstechnica and slashdot's owner whipslash publicly. Your illogical off topic ad hominem attacks help him more.

    4. Re:/. doesn't delete posts? Bullshit w/ proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He is gay and he is a spammer. What "attack" are you talking about? Being a fag isn't necessarily a bad thing. Hell, some of my best friends are fags. There's no negative implication there. Some guys just like dick. And as far as being a spammer, well, that's just the simple truth. If he wants to advertise, he can go through channels like the rest of us. We don't want that crap in a tech forum. And as far as deleting comments, he's a damn liar with no proof. That is just not happening. Where's his so-called "screen shots"?? Not only is he a gay spammer, he's a lying little troll screaming for attention and affirmation. I would say *fuck him*, but I'm not into the West Hollywood thing.

  23. Ditch ads efficiently & natively by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-7 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/

    Ads/script/malware rob speed/security/privacy/bandwidth.

    Hosts add speed (via hardcodes/adblocks), security (vs. bad sites/malware/poisoned dns), reliability (vs. dns down), & anonymity (vs. dns requestlogs/trackers).

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    Avoids DNSChangers in routers/IP settings & dns redirect (99.999% of ISP DNS != patched vs. it) + DNS requestlog tracking & lighten DNS load & resolve faster from local system RAM!

    * Via what u NATIVELY have in the FASTER kernelmode IP stack!

    APK

    P.S. - Safe https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/e01211ca36aa02e923f20adee0a3c4f5d5187dc65bdf1c997b3da3c2b0745425/analysis/1433430542/

  24. I absolutely did... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: It's classic & hilarious + yes, I did get screenshots of the whole debacle - I actually PITY that trustfund baby do nothing zero "whipslash" (Logan Abbott) @ this point.

    APK

    P.S.=> All I can say is "Hahahahahahahahahahaha" @ this point... apk

  25. WRONG: I'm not homosexual... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & I've just publicly BET slashdot's owner whipslash/Logan Abbott about this for a MILLION U.S. dollar - he'll run https://hardware.slashdot.org/...

    * Personally? I don't think he has it - still, watch him "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" (/. doesn't delete posts, eh? BS https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11076629&cid=55143893/

    Lastly - it has TRULY been MY pleasure showing you ALL the lying SCUMBAG that bought this place... for what he is (a lying cheating little douche).

    APK

    P.S.=> That is, unless he feels like making me a MILLION dollars wealthier - that's on him, my challenge is made, fairly, as always... apk

    1. Re:WRONG: I'm not homosexual... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah! So not only are you gay, you are a closeted self loathing one in denial. I don't understand. Why do you hate yourself so much? Eh, I guess all your spamming is really just a distraction to evade the issue.

      Anyway, comments are deleted when the article is deleted. We already know that. You still haven't provided the screen shots. Maybe because you are lying about that. So now you're a lying gay spammer!

  26. Don't worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... wants customers to opt-in ...

    Don't worry; In 12 months, when Verizon needs to meet its quarterly growth target, customer participation will be mandatory.

    ... often, already possess much of the same customer information.

    When Telcos have the same information, allowed by the law they 'wrote', information buyers will benefit from a bidding war driving down the value of holding that information. Since the Telcos get to see every data packet, they will have an advantage over Google and Facebook: Interesting times.

  27. Achilles, Achilles, Achilles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyBzSx92kdA

  28. Again - WRONG: I'm not homosexual... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't you read? "Rinse, Lather & Repeat" & get your "hooked on phonics" out to do so here (you need it) https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11076629&cid=55144705/

    * I'll provide screenshots when the owner here, Logan Abbott/whipslash takes my bet on it (which he KNOWS he'd lose & why he's outright running from a FAIR bet to him...).

    Lastly - Posts aren't deleted either fool - even downmoderated ones - they ARE always there so you know (unless our "gracious & honorable hosts" (not) deletes them as he has that is).

    APK

    P.S.=> It's pretty pitiful when a site that says it doesn't delete posts lies about it but even WORSE being caught in it - says a LOT about the owner's character (liar)... apk

    1. Re:Again - WRONG: I'm not homosexual... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, you are a homosexual. You are as queer as a three dollar bill! Your lies about that and deleted posts are meaningless and can be ignored. Until you post the evidence, you are a simple bullshitting troll, and a gay spamming one at that. The facts I stated are undeniable. You like to take it up the butt. Of that you probably do have pictures.

  29. I'm no liar & you WISH I were gay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: It's all I have to say to shut you down. Funny whipslash won't take my bet either eh? Not.

    APK

    P.S.=> All your ridiculous illogical off topic ad hominem attacks do is make my points stronger - especially considering you issue those via UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts (proving you have no balls & nothing solid to stand on)... apk

    1. Re:I'm no liar & you WISH I were gay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, of course you are a liar, and you are very gay, and a spammer. Every post you make is proof. I have made no ad hominem attack. That would imply that I'm wrong, which I'm not. Just look in the mirror and accept your faggitude. Deep down you know I'm right. You are simply in denial of the truth. If you really hate yourself so much, why don't you just go jump off a bridge where nobody will find you? I mean, really, you won't be missed.

      As far as the other thing goes, pix or GTFO!

  30. PROVE I'm gay then... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: You DO project your own homosexuality though & just because you say it about me doesn't make it fact.

    * You clearly have issues.

    APK

    P.S.=> Go away now little UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous troll - 'shoo'... apk

    1. Re:PROVE I'm gay then... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PROVE I'm gay then

      Read your own posts... very gay, and very spammy... You are the evidence.

      just because you say it about me doesn't make it fact.

      But your posts do. I'm merely pointing out the obvious, nothing more.

      I don't understand why you continue to deny it. Being gay isn't necessarily a bad thing, but living in denial is. Why do you hate the truth, and yourself, so much? Is it because you can't find a partner? Accept and embrace your gayness. Give yourself a reach around while you're at it, and feel the relief from all that tension! Maybe then some nice young man might be attracted to you, and you will find peace and tranquility.

      little UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous troll

      See? It is you that is projecting, as sign of your own self loathing. You poor thing! Maybe suicide is the only option left for you. Take it into consideration. You won't regret it. You'll (and we) will be better off if you merely cease to exist. We don't want you contaminating the rest of us with your psychoses. We have more important problems to deal with. You should be grateful and feel lucky for the advice you have been given.

  31. I said I'm not gay (you can't prove I am) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I said I'm not gay. I never say otherwise - you lose as usual (nothing new for "your kind", unindentifiable anonymous trolls)!

    APK

    P.S.=> You have to seriously have a f'd up life to do what you do but I think you know you're worthless & a waste... apk

    1. Re:I said I'm not gay (you can't prove I am) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you say here is a lie. What you are is what counts, and you are very gay. All your spamming posts are proof. And I have proven it by pointing it out. Your denials are simply a diversion from your own self hatred. You can go on and on all you want, but the truth is there for all to see. You are a homo. If you have any friends, you should discuss it with them. I'm sure they'll lend a sympathetic ear, if they are real friends. Talk to them and see.

      you're worthless & a waste

      Again the projection, further proof that what I say is true.

      Now, be off, you anonymous troll! You have become quite tiresome!

    2. Re:I said I'm not gay (you can't prove I am) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah! But you are very gay! You confirm it with every response. I am so compelling, aren't I? You just can't get enough and keep coming back for more! "ne'er-do-well", how much more gay can you get? So, what happened to you? Did your mother molest you when you were a child? Have you ever told her that you like it when she puts her finger up your butt? You ever told her she can put her whole arm up there if she wants? Don't lie. You know you want it! When is the last time you kissed your father on the lips? Bet you love that! Bet he did too! That stubble feels good, doesn't it? You like that, don't you? Who are your parents anyway? Tubgirl and the goatse guy? Wow! There's a family made in heaven! Bet you like to sniff their underwear! Matches your personality perfectly!

      It all makes you nothing but another unidentifiable troll liar

      Projectttionnn! Look in the mirror You are such a fag!

    3. Re:I said I'm not gay (you can't prove I am) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happened to ya, eh? You run off like the little coward that you are? Well, good! Finally shut your ass up! Let that be a reminder of what you are!

    4. Re:I said I'm not gay (you can't prove I am) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're gay.

    5. Re:I said I'm not gay (you can't prove I am) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're projecting your problems.

  32. I said I'm not gay (you can't prove I am) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I said I'm not gay. You have no factual proof that I am. It all makes you nothing but another unidentifiable troll liar.

    APK

    P.S.=> Nobody would believe a nobody do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" like you anyway & you know it - you are pitiful... apk