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ISPs Claim a Privacy Law Would Weaken Online Security, Increase Pop-Ups (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: The country's biggest Internet service providers and advertising industry lobby groups are fighting to stop a proposed California law that would protect the privacy of broadband customers. AT&T, Comcast, Charter, Frontier, Sprint, Verizon, and some broadband lobby groups urged California state senators to vote against the proposed law in a letter Tuesday. The bill would require Internet service providers to obtain customers' permission before they use, share, or sell the customers' Web browsing and application usage histories. California lawmakers could vote on the bill Friday of this week, essentially replicating federal rules that were blocked by the Republican-controlled Congress and President Trump before they could be implemented. The text and status of the California bill, AB 375, are available here.

The letter claims that the bill would "lead to recurring pop-ops to consumers that would be desensitizing and give opportunities to hackers" and "prevent Internet providers from using information they have long relied upon to prevent cybersecurity attacks and improve their service." The Electronic Frontier Foundation picked apart these claims in a post yesterday. The proposed law won't prevent ISPs from taking security measures because the bill "explicitly says that Internet providers can use customer's personal information (including things like IP addresses and traffic records) 'to protect the rights or property of the BIAS [Broadband Internet Access Service] provider, or to protect users of the BIAS and other BIAS providers from fraudulent, abusive, or unlawful use of the service,'" EFF Senior Staff Technologist Jeremy Gillula wrote.

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  1. What they meant by sit1963nz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    " Privacy laws directly attack one of our income streams, our ability to collect, store, and sell your personal information"

    1. Re:What they meant by Altrag · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Basically yes, and they're implying that if you remove that income stream, they'll just go ahead and implement something even worse to be a new income stream.

      Of course, that leaves out the little tidbit that if they could actually use all those popups and shit as a revenue stream, they would already be doing it. Its not like ISPs are known to be terribly scrupulous.

  2. Oh my god! by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I had no idea what saint my ISP is. Just think how many ads and how much spam you'd get if they did NOT sell your personal information to advertisers and spammers.

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  3. Re:Perfect Opportunity. by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

    Would you actually want their lips on your testicles?
      I think I'd rather get it done by ten dollar prostitute with cold sores, she'd be cleaner.

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  4. It's a nightmare in Canada with Privacy by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 5, Informative

    In Canada, the Canadian Constitution mandates Privacy.

    People spend years handling the privacy popups required.

    Oh. Wait. They don't. They just say "No" once and then the ads can't steal their info.

    Hmmm.

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  5. Do what now? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Privacy laws will also cause you to become sterile. You can look it up.

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  6. Re:Browsers could remove popup support. by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If web browsers removed the code that implements popups, then it would be far less likely that they show up, regardless of what privacy laws are in place.

    Modern Web Browsers have Popup blockers that block standard HTML popups, giving indication that a popup was blocked, with options to create an exception. However they still seem to allow popups created by other means (JavaScript, HTML5, etc). The result seems to be annoying popups still show up, but useful popups from a legacy application are blocked.

  7. Well done, ISP lobbyists! by llamalad · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a direct result of your efforts, I just clicked over to the EFF site to sign up to do recurring monthly donations to them.

    I've had a vague intention to do so for a while, but thanks much for pushing me into action.

  8. Popup concern? by mysidia · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The bill would require Internet service providers to obtain customers' permission before they use, share, or sell the customers' Web browsing ....

    In addition to REQUIRING customers' permission, I suggest they add the following to the law:

    • For the purposes of this act; specific permission MUST be obtained from the customer IN WRITING with the customer's official signature EACH time their history information or private details are to be shared, sold, or used for any purpose not directly essential to providing that customer's broadband service or resolving abuse complaints due to customer's activity. Non-written forms such as a verbal direction or acknowledging a "Click-Through Agreement" may not be used to obtain permission.
    • Customer's permission to share information SHALL NOT be required as a condition to purchase or renew subscription to any broadband, or internet access services.
    • Service providers SHALL NOT interfere with network access or delivery of purchased services in any way order to request or wait for permission.
    1. Re:Popup concern? by RLaager · · Score: 3, Interesting

      At that point, it is effectively a ban on sharing. I assume that is what you want. It is what I want, and I am a manager at a small ISP (not in California). We should just enact an outright ban.

      This sort of thing was not allowed in telephone, as far as I know. I see no reason it should be different for Internet.

  9. Re:Browsers could remove popup support. by radams217 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Javascript Popups are not easier to ignore. They are much more invasive when you want to read an article or not have to mute your sound. The websites that do the follow me as a scroll video ads need to die a slow death.