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Poor Diet Is a Factor In One In Five Deaths, Global Disease Study Reveals (theguardian.com)

schwit1 shares a report from The Guardian: Millions of people are eating the wrong sorts of food for good health. Eating a diet that is low in whole grains, fruit, nuts and seeds and fish oils and high in salt raises the risk of an early death, according to the huge and ongoing study Global Burden of Disease. The study, based at the Institute of Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington, compiles data from every country in the world and makes informed estimates where there are gaps. Five papers on life expectancy and the causes and risk factors of death and ill health have been published by the Lancet medical journal. Diet is the second highest risk factor for early death after smoking. Other high risks are high blood glucose which can lead to diabetes, high blood pressure, high body mass index (BMI) which is a measure of obesity, and high total cholesterol. All of these can be related to eating the wrong foods, although there are also other causes.

110 comments

  1. no shit by Osgeld · · Score: 1

    did it really take a study and five papers to tell us that eating garbage food is bad for us?

    1. Re: no shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grandma knew that and her grandma also ... I suppose I'm entitled to receive reparations in their name from the one's who claim the ownership of the results of this study ...

    2. Re:no shit by nawcom · · Score: 1

      With the cultural ignorance regarding what eating loads of junk food does to the body and the "healthy at any size/fat is beautiful" movement that the internet helped spread, it'll probably take a lot more than this to convince people otherwise.

    3. Re:no shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take a look at the size of most American land whales and what they stuff down their pie holes and ask yourself whether they are getting the message

    4. Re:no shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is your subject telling us that you have intestinal blockage? You should probably see a doctor and a dietitian about that before it kills you.

    5. Re:no shit by hey! · · Score: 2

      did it really take a study and five papers to tell us that eating garbage food is bad for us?

      No, but the study doesn't tell us that bad diet is bad; it quantifies how bad it is and ranks it against other risk factors.

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    6. Re:no shit by mrsquid0 · · Score: 1

      Posting to undo an accidental bad mod.

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    7. Re: no shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bread, chips, french fries, cakes, pies
      Lattes, milkshakes, and smoothies

      Carbs are the devil

    8. Re: no shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now compare what a healthy diet costs ( especially feeding a family ) vs the non-healthy variety and you -might- get a clue as to why folks choose to eat what they do.

      So many are barely treading water financially as it is. Now you want them to effectively double their food costs ?

      Is cheaper in the long run health wise, but still doesn't mean you can afford it right now.

    9. Re: no shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That might be true if they weren't obese from overindulgence, inactivity, and shoveling ice cream down their gullets

      Oh, but they have 'economic anxiety'

    10. Re:no shit by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      I learned the opposite from this. Apparently I can enjoy a diet of all sweets and there's an 80% chance it won't even be a contributing factory to my death, let alone a direct cause. Sounds more like a 90%+ chance that it won't make a real difference to my longevity. That's damned good odds.

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    11. Re: no shit by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Bread, chips, french fries, cakes, pies
      Lattes, milkshakes, and smoothies

      Carbs are the devil"

      Unfortunately, higher atmospheric CO2 due to climate change, cause also the good crops to have more carbs and less nutrients.

      http://news.nationalgeographic...

    12. Re: no shit by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      > Now compare what a healthy diet costs ( especially feeding a family ) vs the non-healthy variety and you -might- get a clue as to why folks choose to eat what they do.

      You mean healthy staples versus processed junk?

      Your media narrative is UTTER HOGWASH intended to soothe your inner conspicuous consumer and enable bad habits. Real food is not more expensive.

      It actually costs LESS money. What it costs more of is time and effort.

      Pretty much ANY thing you are willing to make yourself is going to be cheaper (and much better).

      Ready made junk food isn't just "bad for you" it's pretty much inferior in any way (including taste).

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    13. Re:no shit by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > No, but the study doesn't tell us that bad diet is bad; it quantifies how bad it is and ranks it against other risk factors.

      It's still pretty much useless information.

      It's like peddling global warming armageddon in order to discourage wasteful expensive over consumption or shitting where you live. You shouldn't really need a hysterical adrenaline overload media narrative to prompt you to clean up after yourself when your Earth Day celebration is over.

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    14. Re:no shit by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Like everything else, it's all a matter of degree. Everything in moderation while avoiding any strange fads or extremes.

      It's almost something like I learned in school before the "Food Pyramid" was around. ;-ppppp

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    15. Re: no shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is right on schedule. News for fatfucks, getting fatter.

    16. Re: no shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Help the world and quit breathing.

    17. Re:no shit by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

      I think it would be safe to say that ANY diet is a factor in 100% of deaths. Face it, no matter what you eat or in what quantities, you're going to die. In this case, eat garbage and you'll just have problems sooner. Which means that really, all diet really affects is quality of life and time (until your inevitable death...).

    18. Re: no shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You point out that it takes more time and effort.

      Working multiple jobs reduces the time and energy you have to prepare healthy food from scratch.

  2. vegitarian bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Grains are bain ... nuts feed putz; soy-paloi. Bitch-slap progressives, eat cow ... it's the American thing to do. Eating pussy is soooooooo French-i-fied.

    1. Re: vegitarian bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good bot.

  3. glow sticks in my ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that's why i carefully slide in a glow stick into my ass right before i eat.

    then after i have finished eating, i pull out the glow stick and suck it dry

  4. Why keep encouraging third world reproduction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The real question should be, why do Western nations keep encouraging and supporting third world reproduction, especially in regions where there aren't enough resources to support even a small fraction of the current population?

    Look at what's happening in Nigeria:

    According to the United Nations, Nigeria has been undergoing explosive population growth and has one of the highest growth and fertility rates in the world. By their projections, Nigeria is one of eight countries expected to account collectively for half of the world's total population increase in 2005–2050. By 2100 the UN estimates that the Nigerian population will be between 505 million and 1.03 billion people (middle estimate: 730 million). In 1950, Nigeria had only 33 million people.

    Going from only 33 million people to potentially over 1 billion people in only 150 years is idiotic from a sustainability perspective.

    And we need to keep in mind that Nigeria is actually one of the better-off African nations, as hard as it is to believe. Places like Somalia, Ethiopia and Sudan have been in famine-like conditions for decades now, never mind the near-constant conflict those regions have seen, yet still see over-population.

    As this summary shows us, it's difficult enough for prosperous Western nations to feed their own people healthy diets. The last thing we should be doing is engaging in programs that will only encourage even more severe over-population in places that really, really, really can't support anything more than very small populations.

    1. Re:Why keep encouraging third world reproduction? by antek9 · · Score: 1

      Dear Sirs, I am Nigerian Prince Enoma and I have proposition to make to you. In order to keep Nigerian populace from starving I will transfer US $ 2 billion onto your account, which must then be forwarded to food supply union of your country. You will, and I promise you this, Sir, keep the change of 2 million, which will make you and your family not starving but very fat as well, because your country food very good for becoming fat. Please await further details in next mail, please SIR!

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    2. Re:Why keep encouraging third world reproduction? by coastwalker · · Score: 1

      Third world reproductive rates collapse the moment you give them a pension and educate the women and provide access to contraception. Oh and have a word with religions which use weight of population to defeat other religions.

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    3. Re:Why keep encouraging third world reproduction? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Television also helps. Gives them something to do when the sun goes down.

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    4. Re:Why keep encouraging third world reproduction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Television also helps. Gives them something to do when the sun goes down.

      The absolutely beautiful thing about your comment is that somebody else has almost certainly said it about you in the past!

  5. Re: i dry my semen then snort it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought this was a troll, but decided to try it before knocking it.

    It's actually pretty good. Would recommend. Smells like gummy bears taste.

  6. Re: It explains unidentifiable ac's stalking me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    Fight the good fight, APK.

  7. Affect on medical bills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If folks want to eat, drink & smoke unhealthy stuff that cuts short their life well it is not exactly a secret about the affects so live how ya like , fine by me. However, if this unhealthy behavior requires extra public funding and burdens unnecessarily health costs by requiring higher premiums from folks with healthy eating, moderate/ no drinking as well as no smoking then they can form their own insurance pools and participate as they like.

    Public sharing of insurance for largely uncontrollable factors should be the goal, though not that simple.

    Walk into a super market and astounding how much junk food exists.

  8. Woo! by fluffernutter · · Score: 3, Funny

    So I can eat food that tastes good all my life and I only have a one in five chance of it being a factor? Here's the rolling the dice!

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  9. No study needed just look at us tells the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you understand the basics on what is a good weight, what foods are healthy and what foods are not. You can see by looking at many of us that we don't eat right or exercise or do many positive things to stay healthy. many would rather just get a pill then actually get healthy. I weened off insulin as a type 2 diabetic just by eating much better. The most powerful drug is not a drug at all, its just a matter of giving your body what it wants and needs and nothing more. Our sedentary lifestyles many of us lead doesn't burn enough calories for what we tend to eat.

    1. Re:No study needed just look at us tells the story by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Minimizing the intake heavily processed food is a good step forward into a better health. A lot of processed food contains added sugar and too much salt to be healthy. This doesn't exclude the consumption of a nice beef and some potatoes with it, just keep the processing of the potatoes down so that they are still in chewable chunks, not mashed or french fries type.

      Add to it that when heavily processed food adds salt then it lacks iodine, which is essential to burn the energy.

      Then throw in a commute by bicycle to work if you can and shower at work in the morning to keep your workmates happy.

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    2. Re:No study needed just look at us tells the story by antek9 · · Score: 2

      many would rather just get a pill then actually get healthy.

      [chuckle] If you still think we grammar nazis don't have a point, please take note of the example above. It means the opposite of what the poster meant to write.

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  10. Re:vegan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need to master English.

  11. yes, it *is* about you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you're one of the pizza-seven-days-a-week crowd, this story is aimed directly at you. Yet will any of you read it? Much less act on it?

    I'm always amazed at how people will trade away their health for junk food.

    1. Re:yes, it *is* about you by coastwalker · · Score: 1

      I will just plug vegetables here. The average Westerner eats between 10 and 20 grams of dietary fiber a day. Most heath authorities have revised up the minimum healthy intake from around 20 to 30+ grams a day as a result of research into the human microbiome. Basically your lower bowel is being starved of the material that feeds the bugs and which make the short chain fatty acids that feed the bowel walls. This is a bad move as the disbiosis and damaged bowel wall is now being associated with just about every disease of the western world. (Cancer, heart disease, diabeties, obesity etc.) So eat plenty of vegetables with your pizza if you must eat pizza - Which means anything up to a pound of a mixture of Broccoli, carrots, cabbage, bell pepper, Beans (pinto, cannellini, kidney, chick peas) asparagus, Cauliflower, onion, Tomatoes, apples a day and half a can of baked beans is ok too. You have been warned.

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  12. Nature is confused by burtosis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    3.1 billion years of evolution went by with the vast majority of our ancestors endlessly starving. Most of our ancestors time was spent trying to gather what meager food they could, often dying of hunger when slightly injured, sick, old or just unlucky. Now all of a sudden nearly all humans have endless amounts of cheap, effortless, concentrated food available 24-7-365.25. Now the problem is food is just too damn easy to eat - I'll take that over dying of starvation any day.

    1. Re:Nature is confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      365.24

    2. Re:Nature is confused by burtosis · · Score: 2

      365.242 for a solar year, but 365.25 for calendar years including leap years.

    3. Re:Nature is confused by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      We live in a progressive society where just because things are better than yesterday is meaningless. We don't measure ourselves by how far we've come, we measure ourselves by how far we have to go. And we've got a long, long way to go before we can consider ourselves a just, fair society. Much more criticism is necessary before we can get there, and none of us reading this will ever see the day arrive. You're not going to get away with pulling this "we're better than Somalia" crap.

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    4. Re:Nature is confused by hawkfish · · Score: 1

      365.242 for a solar year, but 365.25 for calendar years including leap years.

      The GP is being pedantic, but I used it to take your post as a bit of hyperbole - 8 days a week if you will!

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    5. Re:Nature is confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tons of food are being dumped in the garbage, yet millions of people are dying for not having any fodd at all.
      And is not only unhealthy, tainted or contaminated food, most people can't complain with what they got because is what they can afford in this state of the world.

    6. Re:Nature is confused by burtosis · · Score: 1

      Just a little bit of programmer humor.

    7. Re:Nature is confused by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      None of that is suffiicent excuse to eat a pound of bacon every day, or to guzzle flavored sugar water (sodapop) every day, or to in general stuff your face with food until your stomach is bloated every day, either. It's also not an excuse for food companies to produce things that are stuffed with whatever will hook people on eating or drinking it, regardless of how unhealthy those ingredients are, just so they can make the most profit possible, either. Everyone should keep track of what they're eating, weight problem or not, they should all have it pounded into their heads from childhood what is and is not healthy and how to cook for themselves (rather than relying on fast food, restaurants, and other 3rd parties for their food), and food producing companies and restaurants should be more socially conscious about what they're producing and selling to people -- or at least make it clear that while something is tasty, it's not healthy. We're sabotaging ourselves, and have been doing so for a long time now. I'm not saying no one should ever enjoy eating food, or should never, ever eat food that isn't healthy just because it's a tasty treat, but there are way too many people who eat way too many 'treats' every single day, making their choices based on taste rather than what's good for them, and it's killing them.

    8. Re:Nature is confused by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Eating to death vs starving to death.

      If only there was some middle ground. .... Oh well. Here's to heart disease!

    9. Re:Nature is confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You remind me of my wife: nothing will ever be "good enough"...

    10. Re:Nature is confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... dying of starvation any day.

      The cure for starvation is easy: Meat, fruit, vegetables, vitamin injections. A bearable cost for curing the malnourished.

      The cure for obesity is difficult: Imprisonment, removing all high-carbohydrate foods, or neutralizing the eat-more behaviour/appetite. Instead, society spends a lot of money treating the symptoms. As society spends more money keeping sick people alive, the cost will become unbearable.

      Since science, over the last 25 years, has slowly revealed that nutrition is massively effected by the intestinal biome, there may be a self-correcting treatment one day.

    11. Re:Nature is confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ... 365.25 for calendar years.

      Wrong. The 365.25 year is an approximation of the 365.2422 solar year, which reveals why the calendar year (most-times) uses a sequence of 365, 365, 365, 366 days. When counting a daily/weekly event over long periods of time, it is necessary to adjust for the leap-year days which occur: A value of 365.25, is a simple adjustment to the calculation. With the arrival of pocket computing devices, it is possible to calculate the exact number of days elapsing between 2 events (eg. delta-days operation); no approximation required.

      Humans measure time as a 'month' and thus do not care if the month has 28, 29, 30, or 31 days; causing a large variation in the definition of 'month'. This is why there have been several attempts to create a calendar where most (or all) months have the same duration.

    12. Re:Nature is confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are going to die eating rice cakes and water. You'll be 104, eat a bacon cheese burger and realize you've wasted your life. A sanitized life is not worth living.

  13. Easy to correct behavior. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1, Interesting

    All you have to do is make clear that it will cost more to eat foods with poor nutrition. Right now we are subsidizing corn and thus high-fructose corn syrup, so it's put into everything. The problem is that cost of healthcare is decoupled from things that impair your health. A simple behavioral correction would be to provide universal health care and add a health care tax (must show on receipt) to things that are statistically correlated with health care costs.

    What this means is that if there is an X% chance of getting cancer after smoking Y cigarettes, you can take the average cost to treat lung cancer, divide it up and tack that cost onto the price of cigarettes. People will then see how much it's going to cost to actually slowly kill themselves and either pay to do it or choose to not do it. The same goes with food but you need to evaluate foods based on different metrics like how it affects your blood sugar, the amount of stress it puts on your liver, how much "crave" it causes (as they call addiction in the food industry) and other things.

    The result of doing this will be that food that is good for you will become blindly obvious because of they won't have a health care tax slapped on them. Behavior is determined by feedback loops and if you do not have the proper ones in place, you will not get the desired behavior.

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    1. Re:Easy to correct behavior. by MikeDataLink · · Score: 1

      What this means is that if there is an X% chance of getting cancer after smoking Y cigarettes, you can take the average cost to treat lung cancer, divide it up and tack that cost onto the price of cigarettes.

      THIS! I have always said they need to figure out the annual cost to the healthcare system of cancers caused by cigarettes and then levy that amount of tax against cigarette companies every year to offset the cost. That way smokers pay for smoker deaths, rather than the rest of the population subsidizing it. It would mean lower healthcare costs for people who live cleaner lives and higher for those who don't.

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    2. Re:Easy to correct behavior. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      Well apparently such a system offends the sensibilities of multiple mods.

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  14. That's what 1/5 people thought! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The rest is Bayesian statistics.

  15. I once did a gig by kilodelta · · Score: 1

    At a grocery scoring company. It soon emerged that the score would plummet on say broccoli the moment you add sugar, salt or fat.

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  17. obesity also tied to poor diet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I grew up in the 1950's and 1960's. (Lawn, etc). There were very few obese people. All though pre-university schooling I remember only one kid who was overweight. Adults were also thin, and that formed my mental image of what a normal sized person is. You did not see "mobility scooters" for weight- only wheelchairs for disabilities such as paraplegics.

    Tody, I am still "normal" size (in my 60's), and the world has ballooned around me. I see obese children, even young ones 5-6 years old. Most adults look overweight to me, even ones in the prime of their lives in their 20's or 30's. It seems mostly related to terrible diets.

    With the "fat acceptance" movement they insist they are normal and healthy. I do not agree! They have a higher risk of a large number of serious health problems: heart disease, cancers, strokes, diabetes, joint problems, and more. Not only that, but I can climb multiple flights of steps better in my 60's than many in their 20's, because for the same height of person they are hauling up 50, 100, sometimes even 200 extra pounds.

    Cook your own food, pick healthy ingredients, mostly vegetables and fruits, and do not over-eat or eat constantly between meals. Exercise to burn 2500 calories per week.

    1. Re:obesity also tied to poor diet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've often wondered about that. Watching movies from the '50s through the '70s, people seemed tiny. NASA footage showing what appears to be middle-aged men with 28 inch waists.

    2. Re: obesity also tied to poor diet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ugh.

      First if all, fat acceptance is about fat people deserving to be treated as human beings, nothing more. There are stupider, more extreme people who delude themselves into believing that obesity is healthy, but what group doesn't have it's idiot extremists?

      Furthermore, it isn't as easy as just cooking for yourself and eating healthy. I've lost over 150lbs, half my body weight, and what I ate didn't have anything to do with it. How much I ate did, but even then I've got plenty of data from tracking my caloric intake and weight every day for years that shows I have to eat up to a thousand calories fewer than my peers just to maintain. Do you know what it's like to fight your body every day of your life?

      In short: stop pretending to have insight into things you know nothing about.

    3. Re:obesity also tied to poor diet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was normal then.

    4. Re:obesity also tied to poor diet by dwpro · · Score: 1

      that mirrors up pretty well with the data. Note the obesity #'s specifically:

      https://stateofobesity.org/ima...

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  19. don't tell that to africans, indians, new yorkers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because they already know but either don't care or can't do any better.

  20. High BMI is a Red Herring by pubwvj · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "high body mass index (BMI)"

    High BMI is a red herring. BMI is based on a sedentary lifestyle like office workers have. Those of us who are in physically demanding jobs very often have high BMIs without being obese because we have more muscle, denser bones and lower body fat levels. My son and I farm and do butchery. we have very high BMIs but it is muscle that is necessary for our work. Same goes for athletes who tend to score high on the BMI but again it is muscle, not fat. The BMI system needs to be redone to account for the fact that not everyone is a sedentary office worker. Our life insurance company takes this into account - they do a measure of hips, belly and chest which corrects for the errors on BMI.

    1. Re:High BMI is a Red Herring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      BMI is extremely reliable for over 90% of the population.

      Before rationalizing your "high muscular development" as an excuse for a high BMI, check your Waist-to-hip ratio (WHR).

      You might also peek in a mirror without holding your breath.
      If you see a muffin top or some Dunlap's disease, then you are a fatty.

      Maybe it's not your bones that are dense. Have some more chips and wash them down with another beer. You only live once.

    2. Re:High BMI is a Red Herring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not sure he is a fatty or not but original poster has a point. BMI does not work for people who have more muscle mass than others. I know quite a few farming families and they have lived longer lives in general than others I know. The natural foods from the farm, constant exercise, good air all attribute to long living. You don't have to be 8% body fat to be healthy. Having some fat on people helps with many things from protecting the joints, giving some insulation, and using it for energy when working long days without breaks. I am not saying being obese helps, just saying you don't have to be ripped to be healthy. I 100% agree that BMI doesn't work. I am muscular, 12% body fat and work out 5 days a week (heavy weights and cardio). My BMI is high, but all my blood numbers look good or within norm.

    3. Re:High BMI is a Red Herring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are correct, snowflake.

      If you are in that small percentage of the population that does demanding heavy labor or works out 5 days a week (heavy weights and cardio), then Waist-to-hip ratio (WHR) may be a better metric.

            BUT ( or is it BUTT )

      BMI is extremely reliable for over 90% of the population.

    4. Re:High BMI is a Red Herring by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      That's all good and fine, but you and your son are generally outliers. People like you who are fit, active, and muscly aren't the ones who are even looking to government messages about BMI or getting active, or losing weight.

      Health messages are targeted at the unhealthy. For those people BMI is far from a red herring.

      Our life insurance company takes this into account

      That's because they aren't targeting messages at people who are fat, unhealthy and need to move their fat arses more. They are in the business of accurate predictions which involve health analysis that doesn't fit in a 5 second soundbite.

    5. Re:High BMI is a Red Herring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're probably just mesomorphic. Professional athletes will often still score optimally in a BMI assessment. Look at tennis players, sprinters, swimmers. MMA etc. If they aren't pure strength athletes are unlikely to be lopsided. Your lower fat levels drag the BMI down to more ideal.

    6. Re:High BMI is a Red Herring by blindseer · · Score: 3, Informative

      High BMI is a red herring

      No, it's an indicator. It's a means to determining if there is a need for further investigation of health problems. People with a high or low BMI will likely need an additional check for body fat. There are a number of means to double check this, buoyancy, skin pinch, waist to hip ratio, likely more.

      I don't believe that BMI needs to be redone, just that it needs to be taken with the knowledge that it is an incomplete indicator of health. As you stated for your life insurance the BMI was taken along with waist, hip, and chest measurements. That's likely to cover all but the rarest of cases as an indicator of health.

      I believe the BMI has been a victim of it's own success. It works well so often to indicate that a person is over or under healthy weight that people have put more faith in it than it deserves. I guess that it's pretty rare for people to have a "bad" BMI and good health, neglecting other indicators of good health. Just like it is possible but rare for people to have a "good" BMI and poor health, neglecting other indicators of poor health.

      From what I understand the combination of BMI with waist to hip ratios covers probably an additional 9% on top of the 90% that BMI alone does not cover. The last 1% will just have to get a note from a physician on their health and life insurance policies.

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    7. Re:High BMI is a Red Herring by pubwvj · · Score: 1

      "BMI is extremely reliable for over 90% of the population."

      That is a very sad statistic since BMI is such an unreliable indicator for people who are active. What that mean is that 90% of the population is sedentary. Very sad.

      "Before rationalizing your "high muscular development" as an excuse for a high BMI, check your Waist-to-hip ratio (WHR)."

      So you apparently didn't actually read my comment but instead you just reacted with your own little inner voice. How troll like. Go back and read what I wrote.

      "You might also peek in a mirror without holding your breath. If you see a muffin top or some Dunlap's disease, then you are a fatty."

      Again, you're not bothering to read before you reply.

      "Maybe it's not your bones that are dense. Have some more chips and wash them down with another beer. "

      So now you're on to making assumptions without any data at all. You're a troll.

      I don't drink beer.
      I rarely eat chips.
      I'm very physically active.
      I don't have a "muffin top".
      My ratios are classic for an athletic male, broad shoulders, broad chest, narrow waste, narrow hips.

      Stop fantasizing and actually read what people wrote before you reply. It will make for more interesting conversations.

  21. Ban carbs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Carbs are primarily to blame.

    1. Re:Ban carbs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not all carbs, just food made from white (bleached) flour. Whole wheat flour is safe.

    2. Re: Ban carbs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, only gluten free natural paleo bullshit is safe!

      Sorry, I thought we were playing pseudo science bingo.

  22. Top three Slashdot diets to kill you... by cdreimer · · Score: 1

    Over the years, I've gotten plenty of diet advice on Slashdot that would kill me sooner rather than later. Here are the top three diets.

    • 1) Super-sized Me Diet — Eat at McDonald's three times a day.
    • 2) Snickers Diet — Eat two Snickers twice a day.
    • 3) Egg Me On Diet — Eat two dozen eggs per week.
    1. Re: Top three Slashdot diets to kill you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They couldn't be any worse, you're already incredibly fat and out of shape.

    2. Re: Top three Slashdot diets to kill you... by cdreimer · · Score: 1

      They couldn't be any worse, you're already incredibly fat and out of shape.

      Funny. I just got back from doing cable rows at the gym. Time to make my two-egg, tofu omelette.

    3. Re: Top three Slashdot diets to kill you... by cdreimer · · Score: 1

      I only eat two eggs per week. Any more, I'll probably hurl.

    4. Re:Top three Slashdot diets to kill you... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > No one here on Slashdot wants to harm you.

      Some of you most certainly do. You have a variety of bad ideas that you haven't thought through or you really have no clue about. You want to subject those ideas to the rest of us.

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    5. Re:Top three Slashdot diets to kill you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those wanker trolls obviously don't know what they are talking about:

              1) Super-sized Me Diet â" Eat at McDonald's three times a day.

      -you are already super sized!

              2) Snickers Diet â" Eat two Snickers twice a day.

      -you already wear smelly sneakers as "business shoes from amazon"

              3) Egg Me On Diet â" Eat two dozen eggs per week.

      -you already look like Humpty-Dumpty:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    6. Re:Top three Slashdot diets to kill you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2) Snickers Diet — Eat two Snickers twice a day.

      That was my advice. And, unless you're an utter moron, it was *sarcasm.* What I advised you was, "if you're eating 2 power bars a day, you might as well just eat two snickers bars, because that's pretty much what power bars equate to. In fact, you'd get fewer calories eating 2 snickers bars than you would eating two power bars." If you're not a complete idiot, you would have realized that this is sarcasm, and not actual diet advice. It was intended to highlight the sheer lunacy of eating two power bars a day and calling it a "healthy diet."

      3) Egg Me On Diet -- Eat two dozen eggs per week

      Also me, although what I advised was that eating a couple eggs per day along with veggies and some lean meat for breakfast would be a marked improvement, and ultimately probably cheaper than your powerbar and fiber one diet. In that same post, I also suggested that you buy oatmeal in bulk and eat that as well. Again, if you weren't a monumental ignoramus, you would see that a diet alternating or mixing the recommended eggs, oatmeal, fat-free plain yogurt, fruit, vegetables, and lean meat, would be:
      - easy to follow
      - cheaper than your current shit diet that's keeping you 375 pounds
      - Far lower in carb content (important for diabetic fatbodies)
      - More filling
      - more nutritious.

      But, you know, you're a fucking idiot, so you simply made up shit to suit your own narrative about why you stay so goddamned fat. Why listen to the guy who dropped about 170 pounds and has successfully kept it off for over 5 years now? I mean, what the fuck could he possibly know about going from 350 to 180 pounds, aside from having done it successfully? Yeah, stay away from those suggestions, they might actually lead to you sorting your fucking failure of a life out, rather than wallowing in shit and trying to convince everybody you like the smell.

    7. Re:Top three Slashdot diets to kill you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You want to subject those ideas to the rest of us.

      "You want to subject the rest of us to those ideas," is what you meant to say. And yes, you are as think as I drunk you are.

      Go home, grandpa.

    8. Re:Top three Slashdot diets to kill you... by cdreimer · · Score: 1

      And, unless you're an utter moron, it was *sarcasm.*

      After you changed your story from one Snickers to two Snickers and I proved how unhealthy your diet recommendation was.

      But, you know, you're a fucking idiot, so you simply made up shit to suit your own narrative about why you stay so goddamned fat.

      I might have to buy new pants next month because the new pants I got last month are already TOO BIG. And the new pair of pants that I three months ago are TOO FUCKING BIG. Who knew that losing weight was such a nuisance?

    9. Re:Top three Slashdot diets to kill you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strange, because those pants in yesterday picture seem to fit you perfectly:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    10. Re:Top three Slashdot diets to kill you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF? You wear clothes that are the wrong size anyway (look at the weird indentation in your waist in your full-body photos). You really need to buy new pants when you lose 2% bodyweight?

      Considering you are in debt and declared bankruptcy recently, maybe you should be saving your money.

    11. Re:Top three Slashdot diets to kill you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New pants? You are so silly. I have to go look in my photo boxes to find the last time I wore pants as thigh as yours. It was somewhere in 1966.

      Reference:
      https://www.kickingthebitbucke...

      But still, the figures in this video have pants just as thigh as yours and they look good:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      And for more insight:
      https://school.discoveryeducat...

    12. Re:Top three Slashdot diets to kill you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am Nancy Guerrero and I am Director of Special Education for the Santa Clara County Office of Education. We use Chris' (a.k.a. creimer,cdreimer) picture in our document because he is the hardest case we have ever had to handle:
      http://www.sccoe.org/depts/stu...

      Our artists were inspired by the low carb diet that Christopher follows scrupulously for the small lunch box and by the picture linked below for the rest. I am sure that you will notice the similarities such as the bump on the side of his chest and more:
      https://www.cdreimer.com/slash...

      Please be easy on Christopher although, I am aware that some of our staff handling Chris post joke comments here and obvoiusly, the Santa Clara County Office of Education disapprove that behavior vehemently:
      https://school.discoveryeducat...

      But it isn't Chris' fault if he is the way he is. We do the best we can do with him and he is partially integrated into society. We try to cure his abnormal need for attention but he is kind of stubborn and won't listen to anybody.

      Thank You dear users,
      -Nancy Guerrero

    13. Re: Top three Slashdot diets to kill you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you "proved" was that Powerbeats are approximately identical in nutritional profile to snickers bars. Which is exactly my point: nobody would say that snickers constitutes a healthy diet. But you sit around talking about how great your two power bar a day diet is for you.

      As for new pants: congratulations, you've discovered that fabric, when subjected to significant stress, stretches out. That's why your pants are "loose." What do you weigh today, creimer? 370? You understand that "losing weight" is when the number goes down, not up, right?

  23. Grapes Of Wrath (movie scene) by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    poor girl is sad and hungry speaks:
    "he said they had fried chicken for supper, I peeked in the tent whilst they were eating and they had fried dough just like everybody else"

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    1. Re:Grapes Of Wrath (movie scene) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      poor girl is sad and hungry speaks:

      "he said they had fried chicken for supper, I peeked in the tent whilst they were eating and they had fried dough just like everybody else"

      I know you think that you've made a point so brilliant and insightful that it requires no further explanation, but that is simply because you are a time wasting fucking idiot unfamiliar with the concept of coherent thought and communication.

  24. Eat crap for the economic benefit of society by BellyJelly · · Score: 0

    Honestly, junk food tastes great, and people who eat lots of it and die in their 50s or 60s from heart disease or diabetes are doing society a great favour. It's those who insist on lingering on into their 90s and beyond, in care homes or with dementia, that are a real economic drain. Better still, smoke and drink. Die young having contributed plenty in taxes. They are the real heroes.

  25. Re:vegan by jedidiah · · Score: 1

    What good? They simply won't exist anymore.

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  26. It's Time to End the War on Salt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Salt is actually super healthy food, don't listen to big pharma.

    It's Time to End the War on Salt

    For decades, policy makers have tried and failed to get Americans to eat less salt. In April 2010 the Institute of Medicine urged the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to regulate the amount of salt that food manufacturers put into products; New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg has already convinced 16 companies to do so voluntarily. But if the U.S. does conquer salt, what will we gain? Bland french fries, for sure. But a healthy nation? Not necessarily.

    This week a meta-analysis of seven studies involving a total of 6,250 subjects in the American Journal of Hypertension found no strong evidence that cutting salt intake reduces the risk for heart attacks, strokes or death in people with normal or high blood pressure. In May European researchers publishing in the Journal of the American Medical Association reported that the less sodium that study subjects excreted in their urineâ"an excellent measure of prior consumptionâ"the greater their risk was of dying from heart disease. These findings call into question the common wisdom that excess salt is bad for you, but the evidence linking salt to heart disease has always been tenuous.

    Shaking Up the Salt Myth

    Salt has been the subject of controversy in recent years, and has increasingly been blamed for a number of poor health outcomes, such as high blood pressure, heart disease and stroke. Salt is ubiquitous in our modern diet, with Americans consuming an average of 10 grams per day.

    Most of what we read and hear these days is telling us that salt consumption needs to be reduced, and it has even been referred to as âoethe single most harmful substance in the food supplyâ.

    But is salt really as dangerous as we have been led to believe? Or is there a healthy, even beneficial range of salt that we should be eating? And could the governmentâ(TM)s low salt recommendations actually be harmful to health?

    In this series, Shaking Up The Salt Myth, I explore the history of salt in the human diet, as well as the physiological requirements for salt and theories on the âoeoptimalâ dietary salt range. I present evidence for the dangers of too little and too much salt, and give recommendations for the type and amount of salt to include in the diet.

    This series will present the bare facts about a highly misunderstood but essential part of the human diet.

  27. It explains unidentifiable ac's stalking me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: They 'die' if it comes to using them (1 of many) alternate sockpuppet accounts vs. me.

    Their 'death' due to poor diet's due to EATING THEIR WORDS vs. me each time they've tried to 'outsmart' me technically... lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> Unidentifiable ac "ne'er-do-well" trolls - EATING YOUR WORDS != good nutrition... apk

  28. New Obesity Drugs by carter9437 · · Score: 1

    We have looked a lot at investment options in food and obesity. We did make a recent investment in a novel company (Gila) that has some promise on tackling diet. Long way to go though.... https://www.iselectfund.com/gi...

  29. So... by sootman · · Score: 1

    ... if everyone ate better, 20% of the population wouldn't die? o_O

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