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Facebook Shares Details Of Russia-Bought Ads With US Investigators (cnn.com)

An anonymous reader quotes CNN: Special counsel Robert Mueller and his team are now in possession of Russian-linked ads run on Facebook during the presidential election, after they obtained a search warrant for the information. Facebook gave Mueller and his team copies of ads and related information it discovered on its site linked to a Russian troll farm, as well as detailed information about the accounts that bought the ads and the way the ads were targeted at American Facebook users, a source with knowledge of the matter told CNN. The disclosure, first reported by the Wall Street Journal, may give Mueller's office a fuller picture of who was behind the ad buys and how the ads may have influenced voter sentiment during the 2016 election...

As CNN reported Thursday, Facebook is still not sure whether pro-Kremlin groups may have made other ad buys intended to influence American politics that it simply hasn't discovered yet. It is even possible that unidentified ad buys may still exist on the social media network today.

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  1. Good news by benjfowler · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Now that Mueller is running the biggest criminal investigation in world history (Russia and Trump's coup), and that Russia's criminal aggression and deceit is coming out, I expect arrests.

    I'll laugh so hard when all the Putin-lovers are in jail, tossing Bubba's salad.

    1. Re:Good news by Tough+Love · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Lock him up!

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    2. Re:Good news by benjfowler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The millions of people out there in the civil service don't serve Trump. They serve America, and many have sworn oaths to protect the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. They're doing an admirable job.

      The Founding Fathers, in their genius, wrote the Constitution, knowing eventually that people like Trump and Putin would come along. I have a newfound respect for what they built. Trump will not prevail.

      Think about what you're saying for a bit.

    3. Re:Good news by Tough+Love · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Lock him up!

      Donald Trump will go down in history as the first POTUS to leave office in handcuffs.

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    4. Re:Good news by benjfowler · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Completely unprecedented. But it will be awesome.

    5. Re:Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's hilarious that Trump, who spread that racist lie about Obama's birth place is a stone cold traitor.
      This piece of shit is going down in history as one of the world's worst traitors, after his Russian funded empire presidency crumbles.

    6. Re:Good news by ArylAkamov · · Score: 2, Troll

      Some Russians bought ads on the world's largest social network!? HOLY FUCK TRUMP MUST BE INVOLVED! PUTIN! NAZIS! #IMPEACH

    7. Re:Good news by burtosis · · Score: 4, Informative

      While I agree good fkn luck. This is the crime too big to jail. If we didn't do squat about banks laundering tens of billions of dollars, lying about ratings, illegally forclosing on people, etc - except bail them out and handsomely pay thier executives- nothing is going to be done about this. Best we can hope for is maybe get Trump out of office (no criminal conviction) and only because republicans can't get basic crap done and even the densest Trump supporters are starting to realize it's all just been lies. The main sources of corruption will still be there and the Russians will have learned how cheap and effective it is to buy thier way into politics.

    8. Re:Good news by benjfowler · · Score: 1

      Mueller will rain cleansing fire on the Trump camp and their Putin-loving friends. Congress can't/won't -- the judiciary have no such issues.

    9. Re:Good news by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Now that Mueller is running the biggest criminal investigation in world history (Russia and Trump's coup), and that Russia's criminal aggression and deceit is coming out, I expect arrests.

      I'll laugh so hard when all the Putin-lovers are in jail, tossing Bubba's salad.

      As the steadfast Republicans are finding out, there is not a limit on where these investigations go. I recall ehy giggled like schoolgirls as their moral touchstone, a man of highes saintly caliber refused to respond to rapists at Baylor, and now has reaped much Karma.

      But I digress, The good Mr Starr, when the Republicans decided it was time to take Little Willy Clinton down, started with the Whitewater S&L scandal. Oops, nothing there. So now it is Paula Jones. Hmm, about as trustworthy and attention seeking as a Kardashian. So now we move on to Vince Foster suicide. Ermmm, pretty bad taste, for the party of the moral high ground. So finally, a goddamn blowjob allowed them to impeach old Slick Willy. A sleazy dude for certain, but perhaps a trendsetter for the current occupant.

      Call it karma, call it prior art or case law, the leader of the Republican party now gets to endure the same sort of thing.

      I wonder if the worst thing they will find is a blowjob between two consenting adults?

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    10. Re:Good news by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Completely unprecedented. But it will be awesome.

      Something tells me there will be a two word response as people run out of their houses. I think we all know what that is.

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    11. Re:Good news by Tough+Love · · Score: 1, Troll

      Lock him up!

      Donald Trump will go down in history as the first POTUS to leave office in handcuffs.

      Goodness me, the Ivans are out in force with mod points today.

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    12. Re: Good news by Tough+Love · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Get over it, Trump won, for better or worse.

      Worse. 1) Cheated 2) Devalued the office of the president of the USA 3) Grab them by the pussy.

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    13. Re: Good news by benjfowler · · Score: 1

      You keep telling yourself those happy little stories, if it makes you feel better.

    14. Re:Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The shadow government which is unelected and unanswerable to the people is the real power here.

      Which is fine by me, if the alternative is Donald Trump running things.

      If there's a goddamn Illuminati or whatever, now would be a good time to wake the fuck up and take the wheel.

    15. Re:Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nothing says "Take me seriously!" like a good old fashioned conspiracy theory backed up with zero facts of any sort!

      Alex Jones is good for a few things, namely:

      1: A good laugh
      2: Source material for a drinking game
      3: Proving the adage about a fool and their money oh so very right (no pun intended) on a daily basis

      The one thing he is NOT good for, is a source of information to cite if you want any non-kool aid drinker to do anything other than roll their eyes, groan, and immediately dismiss you as some crackpot conspiracy nut who probably has tinfoil lining in his underwear. Do yourself a favor and expand your horizons a little in terms of "news" consumption.

    16. Re:Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Could someone make an official ruling? Does this count as meeting the conditions of Godwin's Law?

    17. Re:Good news by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      And Al Capone was caught on Tax Evasion. What's your point. Just as Capone was taken down by an extraneous conviction, so was Slick Willy. Everybody KNEW Capone was a psycopath, only half of the country thought Slick Willy was evil and corrupt. It was just made GLARINGLY obvious when Hillary got anywhere near the White House, that shady shit would and did happen.

      Well then, you are completely accepting and applaud anything that happens to Trump then, eh? That is my point. Shit what goes around, shit what comes around, and Karma and case law make for your own ox getting gored, or hoist by your own petard as they say.

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    18. Re: Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Based on what? Seriously, what have they found so far to indicate that an impeachment and removal from office by Congress is even possible at this point? Because Russia supposedly bought some FB ads?

      Get over yourself.

    19. Re:Good news by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      How about Russians?

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    20. Re:Good news by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 1

      It is very unfair of Russians to interfere with other countries' elections but what part of it is Trump campaign acting illegally?

      Trump aside, do we really belive click bait ads made non-Trump supporters change their mind and vote Trump?

      Have we abandoned reasoning? In my view the fair thing is to say Russians rooted for Trump because Trump was open he would treat them better than Clinton, and Trump campaign was happy that the Dem campaign was hacked, even if Dems said there was nothing worthwhile in those emails, but that's about it. Immoral or unpatriotic in a strict sense, or not, depending on your view, but none of it outcome-changing.

    21. Re:Good news by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Clinton wasn't impeached for 'a goddamn blowjob'. He was impeached for lying under oath about a blowjob. Whatever your opinions on various sexual acts you probably agree lying under oath is wrong.

      His answer was indeed wrong. For myself, I would answer "None of your business" and tell them to put me in jail for contempt. I wonder if He could have been impeached if Starr asked "Have you stopped beating Hillary yet?"

      The point is not that he lied under oath. The point is that they went to that extent to go after him. Especially since the Linda Tripp and Monica Lewinsky association is so very interesting.

      A secondary point of interest is that while it was apparently such a moral act, that the good Mr Starr, who was no doubt appalled and horrified at this terrible thing of two adults sharing a consensual act, managed to ignore 6 separate rape charges at the Christian school he was chancellor of (Baylor) While a secondary issue, it is not lost on the astute observer that blowjobs must be pursued when it is your enemy, but rape is okay when you are protecting your own.

      Jes sayin'

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    22. Re:Good news by Bartles · · Score: 1

      Do you seriously think sexual harassment is not a serious issue? Or is it just not an issue when a Clinton is involved?

    23. Re:Good news by burtosis · · Score: 2

      Well Russians primarily launder oligarchs and political leaders illicit money through real estate deals. Trump has been getting shady loans from banks with ties to Russia since the 90s since no American bank would touch him with a 10 foot pole. Further there have been many purchases of trump properties at suspicious prices through shell companies. FFS trump tried to negotiate a deal for the tallest building in the world to be built in Russia with his name on the front during his campaign. In short there is tons of circumstantial evidence he has been laundering Russian money since the 90s, maybe even the 80s. So he already had a relationship with Russia and Putin already had compromising material on him before this all began. Trump is cozy with Putin because there are huge sums of money on the line.

      Further Russian hacking during the election was extensive. They corrupted the voter registration in a number of important locations forcing people to use the paper records but this caused massive lines and delays which can alter who votes. There were thousands of attempts to actually hack the machines themselves (through phishing attacks and directly), but publically released information makes this seem unlikely to be too much of an issue. Then there are the massive Russian troll farms spreading fake news on social media, such as Facebook and the recent FBI subpoena for who bought the fake ads. Further the CIA has picked up people talking about it and some of that has leaked publically.

      Then there was the undisclosed meeting where JR meet with a Russian lawyer, a Russian hacker, and several others while the day before trump announced publically he was going to get dirt on Hillary. Just after the DNC was successfully phished and the infamous emails released that forced the head to step down in disgrace over screwing Bernie. This was a big win for trump and republicans.

      Do I blame Russia for election meddling? Yes absolutely, but it's not like we haven't meddled there either. The public didn't know the details of watergate for about a year and a half from the incident, given what muller is doing I'm going to guess they have a ton of hard evidence already and before next summer we will find out most of what really happened. They don't no knock kick in the door of rich well connected white man at 6am without cause.

    24. Re:Good news by Mashiki · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's hilarious that Trump, who spread that racist lie about Obama's birth place is a stone cold traitor.

      FYI: That was hillary clinton. It was her idea in order to stop him from being a candidate in the DNC primary. Enjoy your craziness for the day. You can also find WAPO articles on it if you want, including articles from the guy that the Clinton campaign passed the info to and was sent to Africa and tried to find out if it was true or not.

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    25. Re:Good news by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Informative

      How about Russians?

      You should ask the media. The Trump-Russian narritive suddenly got very quiet about a month or so back, right around the time th at Debbie Washamaln Schultz's "IT guy" was arrested while trying to leave the country, and that one just keeps getting more interesting. Including that he sold emails(of nearly all the democrats) and classified information to multiple foreign governments.

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    26. Re: Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Must suck to be an Ivan

    27. Re:Good news by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Some Russians bought ads on the world's largest social network!? HOLY FUCK TRUMP MUST BE INVOLVED! PUTIN! NAZIS! #IMPEACH

      If the ads were partisan (which the general public does not know) and the foreign purchaser did not register as a foreign agent, that would be a criminal offense under the Foreign Agents Registration Act. Whether or not Trump is involved is a question that is most certainly already under investigation.

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    28. Re: Good news by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      Now if only Mueller can get Slashdot to hand over it's logs and we can see which and how many accounts were controlled by Putin's troll army. Wishful thinking, but I also hope someone at Facebook faces jail time over this, and I really hope it's Zuckerberg.

    29. Re: Good news by Mashiki · · Score: 1
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    30. Re: Good news by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      You've deluded yourself into thinking that your brand of toadies serving rich elites are any better than the other brand of toadies serving a different faction of rich elites.

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    31. Re:Good news by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Nice to hear your spin Igor, but Trump and his gang are still on the wrong side of the law.

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    32. Re:Good news by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 1

      Since all if that was more or less known before the wlection, how come the DNC, Clinton and slmost all the media were so confident she was going to win? The only answer that make sense to me was *they* didn't think it was relevant, and more importantly, they didn't know their voters.

      That last part is the most justified way of politicians losing an election.

    33. Re:Good news by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      As I Trump supporter I fucking pray dems somehow win the house in 2018 and immediately impeach him over a fucking Russian facebook ad.

      My personal hope is that Trump supporters declare war on the rest of us. It's about time for Civil war number 2. So get out there, and MAGA.

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    34. Re:Good news by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Do you seriously think sexual harassment is not a serious issue? Or is it just not an issue when a Clinton is involved?

      Hey- he was pretty sleazy. My second point is that a lot of people are applying different metrics to sleaze. Do you seriously think that getting an adversary of the US is less of a big deal than a blow job? I get it, Trump supporters are yearning for the US to emulate Russia.

      But my first point, somewhere back in this thread, is that once your history is looked into, they find and act on what they find. Your boy would be doing better if the decision came down that they need to move on to a different tack in the investigation, and never mind Russia. They are expanding, and not abandoning that. And they aren't looking at blowjobs.

      You and a lot of other presumed Trump supporters are engaging in deflection. I'm no suporter of Slick Willy. I just inform you of historical precedent and case law of what you have to look forward to.

      Peace out, sweet dreams, and may your heros always crush their enemies. Perhaps we shall share salt and bread some day.

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    35. Re:Good news by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      That's pretty amusing, especially in the face of the what, 19 separate BENGAZZZZZIIIIII!!!!! investiations that came to naught.

      "And now, it's our turn." - Democrats

    36. Re: Good news by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Like the IRS under Lois Lerner that targeted conservative non-profits exclusively?

      Not exclusively, as the only organizations actually denied tax-exempt status were ones that supported Democrats. Doesn't stop wingnuts from repeating a stupid talking point, though....otherwise they wouldn't be wingnuts.

    37. Re:Good news by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Donald Trump will go down in history as the first POTUS to leave office in handcuffs.

      That's what wingnuts said about the Clinton's, for the same brain dead partisan reasons. Before you start up with that "Ivan" shit again, you must have been one of those assholes running around in 2003, saying anyone who questioned the Iraq war of loving Saddam.

      You were full of shit then, and you're full of shit now.

    38. Re:Good news by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      It's hilarious that Trump, who spread that racist lie about Obama's birth place is a stone cold traitor.

      No, what's "hilarious" is that after putting up with asinine right wing bullshit from Republicans (birth certificates, Vince Foster, running heroin through Arkansas) Democrats have decided its their turn to engage in fact-free partisan buuuuuuuuuuullshit.

    39. Re:Good news by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

      Your link directly contradicts your claim. The linked article refers to a 2004 conspiracy theory about Obama's religion, not place of birth, which was due to Andy Martin, not Hillary Clinton.

      You should not have been modded up, quite the contrary.

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    40. Re:Good news by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      3) Grab them by the pussy.

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    41. Re:Good news by iive · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately the article does not support your claim.
      What it says is:

      It was not until April 2008, at the height of the intensely bitter Democratic presidential primary process, that the touch paper was properly lit.

      An anonymous email circulated by supporters of Mrs Clinton, Mr Obamaâ(TM)s main rival for the partyâ(TM)s nomination, thrust a new allegation into the national spotlight â" that he had not been born in Hawaii.

      Do you have evidence that Mrs Clinton or her staff have supported or spread these rumors/emails?

      About the "Washington Post" articles, I couldn't find them with google. Would you kindly provide links to them?

      I also hope you know the difference between investigating a rumor and spreading it.

    42. Re: Good news by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Then get her a sweet job at the pentagon she was in no way qualified for. That couldn't have been about keeping her quiet? Nobody qualified wanted that job. There are no victims...

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    43. Re:Good news by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      No arguments? Cool, keep modding me troll :D

    44. Re:Good news by burtosis · · Score: 1

      I think you are half right, the missing part being Hillary was polling well yes - but Bernie was killing it and doubly so against trump. He went from an unfunded unknown Vermont nobody to nearly close a 60 point lead and won 23 states despite best efforts to deny him the win. The reason the DNC conspired against Bernie was they would rather risk losing to trump than rocking the money boat lining all of thier pockets and take the sure win. Few things ostracises one more in the eyes of the DNC more than saying FK you to the big donors. Democrats seem determined to become republican lite.

  2. Re:even if no collusion by blellow_party · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With the rest of the world, Trump has been repugnantly pugnacious and pugilistic, but with Putin, he's been a pussy-cat. Apparently, he's somebody they can work with, unlike his opponent.

  3. Re:even if no collusion by benjfowler · · Score: 1

    BUT HER EMAILS!

  4. Re:even if no collusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    To answer you: because a pro-American guy in charge of America is actually good for Russia (and yes, America). Russia and America are natural allies, with zero conflicts. The globalists, on the other hand...

    Look at what the globalist asshat Obama did: support for Muslim Bro-hood/ISIS, support for warmongering NATO (trying for bases at Russia's belly in Ukraine), support for China's militarism.

    Who is this globalist shit good for?

  5. Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This nonsense about the Russians is still going on? Liberals really are retarded.

    1. Re:Seriously? by benjfowler · · Score: 1

      Just you wait.

      The biggest anti-TrumpRussia people are conservatives.

    2. Re:Seriously? by benjfowler · · Score: 1

      As opposed to Nazi MAGA traitors, all of who will either go to jail, or be socially outcast.

  6. Selective outrage by NaCh0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Ukraine and Saudis were rooting for Hillary to win. Mexico was certainly anti Trump and may have tried to sway the election away from him too.

    Is Facebook going to share that information or conveniently not mention it.

    1. Re:Selective outrage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's a difference between "rooting for" a candidate and "illegally hiring hundreds of people to campaign for them online."

    2. Re:Selective outrage by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2

      C'mon... we all learn as kids, "two wrongs don't make a right".

      A second similar crime wouldn't cancel out the first. If you have any evidence election laws were violated by Hillary Clinton, she can be investigated TOO.

      However, as she's not the POTUS, I expect that it would be a lower priority investigation.

    3. Re:Selective outrage by Mashiki · · Score: 1
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    4. Re:Selective outrage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hundreds of people.

      The NY Times suggests that Russia spent $100,000 on this campaign.

      Meanwhile, Hillary spent $969,100,000, almost a billion dollars, in all, and had something like 800 campaign staff workers.

      If Russia actually managed to swing an election by spending something like one percent of what Hillary spent, then her messaging must have been catastrophically, epically bad. How could Russians know their audience so much better than the Democrats' campaign staff that they only needed to spend one percent to change the election?

      On the other hand, if Hillary and friends are just looking to blame their failures on someone else, convincing people that evil Russian hackers on Facebook stole the election from her would go a long way towards palliating their own incompetence. Still, anyone with any sense of perspective, when looking at Hillary's campaign spending and the alleged Russian spending, will see the Russians were a tiny gnat buzzing about an elephant. Hillary outspent them 100 to 1, and she still blames them.

    5. Re:Selective outrage by mean+pun · · Score: 1

      C'mon... we all learn as kids, "two wrongs don't make a right".

      A second similar crime wouldn't cancel out the first. If you have any evidence election laws were violated by Hillary Clinton, she can be investigated TOO.

      However, as she's not the POTUS, I expect that it would be a lower priority investigation.

    6. Re:Selective outrage by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      You mean where the Ukrainian government actively aided, interfered, and worked hand-in-hand with the DNC and Hillary Clinton? All of which is illegal.

      Here a choice quote from that article:

      Russia’s effort was personally directed by Russian President Vladimir Putin, involved the country’s military and foreign intelligence services, according to U.S. intelligence officials. They reportedly briefed Trump last week on the possibility that Russian operatives might have compromising information on the president-elect. And at a Senate hearing last week on the hacking, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said “I don't think we've ever encountered a more aggressive or direct campaign to interfere in our election process than we've seen in this case.” There’s little evidence of such a top-down effort by Ukraine. Longtime observers suggest that the rampant corruption, factionalism and economic struggles plaguing the country — not to mention its ongoing strife with Russia — would render it unable to pull off an ambitious covert interference campaign in another country’s election.

      What that article you quoted is basically saying is that the Trump campaign actively benefitted from a well oiled, well funded and professional campaign aimed at swaying the US presidential election in an operation that not only was run by the president of the Russian federation in person and was implemented by that countries intelligence services, but this operation was sophisticated enough and big enough that it has impressed US intelligence veterans. Those same US intelligence veterans are now briefing Trump regularly on what compromising material the Russians may have on him and it is a fair guess that those reports contain a section with the words 'pee-pee tape' in the abstract. I rather doubt that Abraham Lincoln got regular updates from his spies on the possibility that Jefferson Davies might have pee-pee daguerreotypes of him. Furthermore it has emerged since that article was published that Trump actively sought Russian support of this nature for his campaign. The Ukraine, however, is according to that article that you cited, too fucked up, too corrupt and generally too dysfunctional ever hope to be able to do anything like what the Russians pulled off and therein lies the difference between whatever agreement on campaign aid Trump sealed Putin and the Russian intelligence services and whatever the Hillary campaign got from the Ukrainians. Having said that and given that (A) what Trump did is orders of magnitude more serious and (B) that he is POTUS and Hillary is not, nobody really gives a rodent's backside anymore about what Hillary did in the Ukraine.

    7. Re:Selective outrage by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      How cute....copying and pasting the same elementary school platitude. Except, as we all learned in elementary school, these platitudes are frequently complete horseshit.

      Like right now. Hillary's collusion with the DNC to rig the primary was known loooong before the DNC or Podesta emails were leaked. Slashing 20 debates off the primary schedule, and putting up the few that were left next to football games to minimize the exposure that would be granted to the challenger. Loading up the start of the primary with conservative southern states to give her an early lead - states that all voted for Trump in the general. Whereas for Russiagate, there is no evidence and never will be, because the entire story is completely moronic on its face. Putin was smart enough to dig up dirt on Hillary (which was all true) in order to change the election, yet was dumb enough to collude with Donny Tiny Hands, which meant all the U.S. spy agencies would have known about it. Which mean Hillary would have known about it too, as the election was still her's to lose right up until she lost it.

      So, to get back to the starting point, if cheating in an election is the problem, why aren't you starting with the person who is in fact a cheater. Instead of a conspiracy theory as dumb as the one that Obama's parents stole a time machine to plant a fake birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper to back up his fake birth certificate, and pretending the two are somehow equal.

    8. Re:Selective outrage by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      The Ukraine is in the process of being invaded by Russia.

      People have been saying this for years, accusations backed up by social media posts by Ukranian neo-Nazis. Not one picture from a U.S. drone, spy plane or satellite, though.

    9. Re:Selective outrage by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      Because you're a moron.

      I'd bother with a more detailed, logical discussion but you are obviously incapable of that due to your partisan blinders (at best) and outright stupidity (at worst).

    10. Re:Selective outrage by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Yeah? Then show how you have more evidence than Chem Trailers, Birthers, antivaxxers, Hillary-killed-Vince-Foster bots, or the Obama's-parents-had-a-time-machine whackjobs.

      Eh.

      Vi.

      Dence.

      Else you have just as much shit in your brains than an Chem-Trailing-Antivaxxer-Birther. Reminder: accusations != evidence, otehrwise the Chem-Trailing-Antivaxxer-Birther's would be right, and reality-based people would be wrong.

    11. Re:Selective outrage by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Guarantee one thing: Australia (and other places with similar dialect) were not 'rooting' for Hillary. Perhaps a few, but they're super pervs.

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    12. Re:Selective outrage by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      What do you expect? Hillary was a sunk cost.

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    13. Re:Selective outrage by mean+pun · · Score: 1

      Sigh, you don't learn, do you?

      Once more with feeling: If you have any evidence election laws were violated by Hillary Clinton, she can be investigated TOO.

      Everything else is just deflection.

    14. Re:Selective outrage by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Sigh, you don't learn, do you?

      Lulz. You are speaking to your bathroom mirror, yes?

      Once more with more partisan cowbell

      FTFY. Can you name a single McCarthyite that has named an actual law that Trump actually violated? If you can stop moving the goalposts for five seconds, the subject is rigging an election. Which Hillary indisputably did, with the DNC. As opposed to Trump, who's supposed collusion with Putin's hackers rests on bullshit so batshit crazy even Alex Jones would be distancing himself from you.

      So back to the point, if you have a problem with election rigging, skip the non-sequiturs and focus on the person who actually rigged an election, and not conspiracy theories as batshit insane as the idea Obama's parents used a time machine to plant a fake birth announcement to back up a fake birth certificate.

  7. Re:even if no collusion by benjfowler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Russia much?

    Amazing how much you guys will go to obscure Putin's little bitch beef with Hilary. Contemptible.

    Everyone knows that Hilary was by far the better candidate and has a brilliant record of public administrator -- and that Putin destroyed her because he can't stand a successful and prosperous West. Like the evil, filthy, hateful little pervert he is, he hates beautiful things, and has to ruin and defile the West, because his evil black soul can't lift up Russia.

    Don't worry, Hilary and the West will have the last laugh.

  8. Re:Cut them off by benjfowler · · Score: 1

    I say we blackhole the entire country, do real-ID for all access to the internet, and sanction them so hard, they bleed from every orifice.

    The bastards must pay for what they did -- and are doing -- to us.

  9. Re:What if Russia-gate is a total lie? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1, Interesting

    What if Russia-gate never happened, it was a total lie? Zero credible evidence so far.

    That Mueller is desperately fishing everywhere is quite telling.

    That Slashdot continues its blanket coverage of this story, almost certainly fake news, is also telling.

    Oh, shut up Boris, you're boring.

    Seriously, if you are actually an American, secede and declare war on us already.

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  10. Re:What if Russia-gate is a total lie? by benjfowler · · Score: 2, Interesting

    These stupid denials will not save your master from the consequences that are coming.

    Mueller has assembled the legal equivalent of the Dream Team, these people normally work in the private sector and earn millions, and wouldn't join him unless they were participating in something massive and historic.

    Mueller's reply is coming. It will be crushing, believe me.

  11. Re:Sure is taking Falsebook a long time... by Zurkeyon3733 · · Score: 1

    *there

  12. Re:even if no collusion by benjfowler · · Score: 1

    More boring pro-Putin bullshit.

    The West and Russia are *NOT* natural allies. We are natural sworn enemies, like bears and wolves, We are strategic competitors, not allies. As you Putin-lovers are about to find out the hard way.

  13. this should prompt new laws by FudRucker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    make it illegal for foreign countries to buy time and/or space for political advertizing, and only US Citizens are allowed to vote or even post comments about politics in the USA

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    1. Re:this should prompt new laws by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      No US law is going to stop me ridiculing US politics.

    2. Re:this should prompt new laws by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      you're too late, the big corporates in the USA already have the govt in their pocket, cant you smell the crony/fascism in the news everyday?

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  14. Re:even if no collusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    > Everyone knows that Hilary was by far the better candidate and has a brilliant record of public administrator
    https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-...
    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/837704382472933376
    Public administration whereby she leaked like a sinking ship and was deeply compromised by other nations? You seem to be another person who missed that the Russia narrative was started by.... Russia. http://www.washingtontimes.com...

  15. Re:What if Russia-gate is a total lie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The Demonrats should have won by 20-30 points. Instead, their party's candidate lost, utterly wiped out. Their ideas rejected. Their future bleak.

    "Collusion delusion" is their only hope. Save that ephemeral lifeline, their only way out of this reality would be to run naked in public, screaming "REEEE" all the way to the nuthouse.

  16. Re:What if Russia-gate is a total lie? by benjfowler · · Score: 1

    Since we're talking past each other, I'll conclude by saying that you can't prove a negative, you're full of shit, and that few sane, educated people are fooled by Russia's torrent of lies.

  17. Re:What if Russia-gate is a total lie? by benjfowler · · Score: 1

    How's life in the troll house?

  18. Re:even if no collusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We are natural sworn enemies, like Nazis and Americans, or Communists and Americans, or French and Americans, or the British and Americans, or Muslims and Americans, or Native Americans and Americans.

  19. Re:What if Russia-gate is a total lie? by benjfowler · · Score: 1

    There's tons of evidence. Stop lying, moskal.

  20. Re:What if Russia-gate is a total lie? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    Why are you constantly using a Bulgarian name as an ethnic slur against the Russians?

    Because I love trolling the Russians and you. Now go collect your rubles. Mikhail

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  21. Re:What if Russia-gate is a total lie? by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

    There's tons of speculation about collusion. There has been no credible evidence produced so far.

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  22. Re:Sure is taking Falsebook a long time... by Zurkeyon3733 · · Score: 1

    Telling the truth on SlashLib seems to get you branded a "Troll" LMMFAO! How about disputing what I said? Maybe just TRY? :-D

  23. Re:even if no collusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Everyone knows that she was the better candidate and she lost the election. Listen to yourself.

  24. Re:even if no collusion by Xenographic · · Score: 1

    Russia much?

    Amazing how much you guys will go to obscure Putin's little bitch beef with Hilary. Contemptible.

    Way to be a sexist jerk, Ben.

  25. Shut it down? by Thing+1 · · Score: 1
    "It is even possible that unidentified ad buys may still exist on the social media network today."

    So shut the fucking thing down already!

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  26. Would that they would cut themselves off by Xenographic · · Score: 1

    Everyone has a first amendment right to anonymous speech, but I guess the first amendment isn't very popular lately. I'm also very curious as to how you think a country can be blocked off without people routing around it. You'd need a constitutional amendment to do any of that and even then it simply wouldn't work very well on a technical level, as we can see from looking at China over the past 20 years or so.

    Don't you think it's just a little weird that you want to turn the USA into China because you're scared of Russia?

  27. Re:What if Russia-gate is a total lie? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    How is that trolling if you use an unrelated name? Sounds more like a noob trying too hard. And Mikhael is Jewish, by the way.

    Whooshies,

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  28. Re:What if Russia-gate is a total lie? by Bartles · · Score: 1

    If the history of special counsel investigations is any indication, it won't be crushing. At all.

  29. It is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Mind showing it to us then? There are allegations of classified evidence and anonymous sources, but my anonymous & classified sources say that yours are complete lies. They conceived the Russia thing back during the primaries and we have the email to prove it. It was fake then as it is now.

    There was the Crowstrike, Trend Micro, and ODNI reports, but none of them said anything of any value and there were serious gaps in their analysis that are inexplicable, like failing to recognize Tor exit nodes, failing to identify old freeware copies of P.A.S., etc. The pissgate dossier's most ridiculous part lifted from a 4-chan hoax and we can verify that at least one of the people in it wasn't even in the country the dossier said he was. Also, you all told us it came from a UK spy, but I thought that colluding with and paying $100,000 to foreign intelligence agents for dirt was a bad thing? Something something foreign election influence? But it's okay if you sell a dossier filled with lies, but it's not okay for the USA to learn the truth about their candidates?

    The rest of what you have is people playing 6 degrees to Kevin Bacon with the entire country of Russia, and a forest of WaPo & CNN articles that all cite each other, never mind that the WaPo was caught holding an under-the-table fundraiser for the DNC that the DNC's own lawyers said they couldn't do or CNN rigging the debates and then lying both about Wikileaks and about the emails being faked. The DKIM headers prove mathematically that it's a lie and anyone can pull the DKIM key from Hillary's own damned DNS server. Maybe she should have wiped it with a cloth or something?

    In short, put your evidence where your mouth is. Some of us don't buy fake news, no matter who is trying to sell it. There's not a thing here that can't be independently verified by anyone with a browser. That's a far cry from your posts claiming to have lots of evidence and showing us none of it, no?

    Which is why I expect your "rebuttal" if you write one will be some nonsense claiming that everyone against you is secretly Russian. But really, why don't you take a little test on that. Which of the following items sounds the most like something a Russian traitor would do?

    [1] Sanctioning Russia
    [2] Selling Putin a large quantity of uranium.

    If your answer is [1], you might be suffering from derangement. If your answer is [2], then there's someone else you should want to lock up.

  30. Re:even if no collusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Admit it - you know three fiths of fuck all about Putin, or Hillary.

    So sick of you warmongering, meddling, whinging, finger-pointing, temper tantrum pricks. Ever since I was born, all I've ever known is the USA bombing someone, or invading someone, bullying someone, swinging other countries' elections, installing puppet dictators or telling others what to do. Insinuating evil in others when they don't bend over and take it up the arse.

    Everywhere you go you leave a mess - then blame others for that mess.

    Just like your athletes, you never, ever take any responsibility for your own actions - it's always the weather, or equipment failure, or the other side cheated, or the umpires were biased, or it was the UN, or Russia, or China, or the EU, or the media, or who-the-fuck ever. Never your own fault.

    Just shut the fuck up. ALL of you. And get your act together and try to be good planetary citizens, for once. Just once before I die.

  31. Re:Smoke and mirrors by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    You're doing a great job of showing why people should vote Trump 2020. Keep being unhinged, it's killing the left.

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  32. Re:What if Russia-gate is a total lie? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

    So you really do think that you are genuinely funny.

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  33. Re: What if Russia-gate is a total lie? by bestweasel · · Score: 1

    Boris Godunov, Boris Pasternak, Boris Yeltsin, Boris Nemtsov, Boris Berezovsky, Boris Johnson, ...

  34. Re:even if no collusion by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

    The real question, is why is good for Russian to have Trump as POTUS? Division !

    With Trump in power, no US media outlet has time for reporting human rights abuses abroad. That could be the whole agenda.

    Like Putin is saying: "Donald, CNN wants to run story about Russia torturing gays. We need morning poop tweet, comrade."

  35. Re: What if Russia-gate is a total lie? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

    Boris Becker

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  36. Re:What if Russia-gate is a total lie? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    So you really do think that you are genuinely funny.

    I'm the straight man - allowing you fo be funny. Yer doin a helluva job!

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  37. Re: What if Russia-gate is a total lie? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    Boris Godunov, Boris Pasternak, Boris Yeltsin, Boris Nemtsov, Boris Berezovsky, Boris Johnson, ...

    Strange that he didn't know there are people in Russia named Boris. Whatever, I'm just here for the LuLz

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  38. Re:What if Russia-gate is a total lie? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    So, your response is ignorant, racist stereotypes? Figures.

    Look You anonymous Coward - exactly what race am I isting? You would be really really surprised to find out my ethnicity.

    And it is ethnicity I'm spearing, not race. Don't you have a cultural appropriation protest to go to somewhere Angelique?

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  39. Re:What if Russia-gate is a total lie? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

    >I was only pretending to be retarded!

    Well hell, how is a retard like me supposed to know? 8^)

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  40. Making chem trailing antivaxxers look brilliant by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    Now that Mueller is running the biggest criminal investigation in world history (Russia and Trump's coup), and that Russia's criminal aggression and deceit is coming out, I expect arrests.

    Swiftboating. Pure, undiluted Swiftboating. Criminal interference in other countries is what you fuckers do. Bullshit invasions, regime change, overthrowing democracies, kidnapping & torturing people to death.....it's. all. you.

    Besides all the other plotholes in the Russiagate McCarthyism, we're supposed to believe that Putin was clever enough to dig up dirt on Hillary (which all happened to be true) to swing the election, but at the same time was so stupid as collude with someone as stupid as Trump. Which means the NSA, the CIA and the FBI would know all about said collusion. As would President Elect Hillary, as the race was still hers to lose until she decided to take the Rust Belt for granted and not campaign in that region of the country, because reasons. The same Hillary that campaigned on shooting down Russian jets in Syria.

    And as I see there's already one "go home Boris" asshole in this thread, do show how you guys have more evidence than the antivaxxers, the Birthers, the chem trailers, or the people who think the Clintons had Arkansas State Troopers running heroin for them throughout the state when he was governor. The same jackasses who accuse anyone of being on Putin's payroll because they question any of this bullshit are the same people who ran around in 2003, accusing anyone who questioned the Iraq lies of being in love with Saddam.

    You were full of shit then, and you're full of shit now.

  41. more Hillbot Swiftboating by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    There's a difference between "rooting for" a candidate and "illegally hiring hundreds of people to campaign for them online."

    You mean when David Brock spent a million dollars hiring internet trolls on Hillary's behalf?

    As with all Hillbot smears - racism, misogyny, collusion, election cheating - this one is pure projection.

  42. Re:What if Russia-gate is a total lie? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    No, it wasn't the Russians. It was the Democrats. Since the day Obama took office, it's been going down hill. There's a reason that over those years and right up through the most recent election, they've lost nearly a thousand legislative seats, most of the governorships, both houses of congress, the White House, the Supreme Court, and millions of two-time Obama voters who left in disgust. If you really think that the Russians buying a few hundred thousand dollars worth of FB ads overturned Hillary's 140 MILLION in ad spending, to make her fail despite her consistent honesty, genuine affability, long string of tremendous policy and executive successes, and careful tending to matters of security and whatnot ... never mind. You know why she lost.

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  43. Re:even if no collusion by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    but with Putin, he's been a pussy-cat

    Yeah, doing things like blowing up Putin's client states aircraft, not undoing many Obama-era executive movements against Russia, that sort of thing. Nothing but warm and fuzzy.

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  44. Re:even if no collusion by ScentCone · · Score: 2

    Everyone knows that Hilary was by far the better candidate and has a brilliant record of public administrator

    Hilarious. She was a terrible candidate, hated by much of her own party, and has a career full of lying, corruption, feckless management, carelessness with classified information (and more lying about that), endless throwing-under-the-buss of her friends, associates and staff, and lots of backing up of her husband's abusive sexual predation, even to taking advantage of her power and connections in the White House to dispatch people YOU pay with your tax dollars to smear the reputations of the women he abused. She's a raving hypocrite famous for yelling obscenities at her protective details and coming unglued under pressure. She was a terrible Secretary of State and would have made an especially corrupt, awful president.

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  45. Re:even if no collusion by geekymachoman · · Score: 1

    benjfowler, i don't mind you having opinions, or being brain washed... but what's terribly sad is that you got 2 +5 posts here.

    It either means there's a lot more sheep on slashdot than I previously thought, or you part of some pro-hillary organization that comments and then gives themselves + reviews through other accounts. I seriously hope it's the latter, because if it's the former... we all lost already.

  46. Re:even if no collusion by jandersen · · Score: 1

    Everyone knows that Hilary was by far the better candidate and has a brilliant record of public administrator -- and that Putin destroyed her because he can't stand a successful and prosperous West. Like the evil, filthy, hateful little pervert he is, he hates beautiful things, and has to ruin and defile the West, because his evil black soul can't lift up Russia.

    No. By choosing to portray a person as completely evil, rather than criticising their actions, policies opinions etc, you make your whole statement unbelievable. I am no fan of Putin, and he doesn't seem bashful when it comes to unsavoury methods, but considering that Russia is overrun by organised crime, rightwing extremists etc, perhaps he is less bad than many others would be. He certainly seems to be very popular, so it could be that a majority of Russians actually want his style of leadership. Also, I think it is downright childish to say that "he can't stand a successful and prosperous West"; Western countries in general have seen modest economical growth in recent decades, while China, India and Russia, among others have seen massive groth rates, so what is there to envy? But he has seen how the West, and in particular the US, have been struggling financially and politically, culminating in absurdities like Trump and Brexit, so he feel emboldened and exploits the situation. Wouldn't the US have done the same? In fact, wasn't that exactly what you guys did throughout the Cold War? And when Gorbachev started on his reform policies, is it not true that Reagan saw his chance to push things over, so he could boast that he had "destroyed Communism" and ended the Cold War? What we see in Russia today has a lot to do with the fact that Gorbachev's reform failed, and Yeltsin gave away state assets to corrupt officials. The Western Powers have a history of meddling and then suffering the consequences, and still we haven't learned.

  47. Re:What if Russia-gate is a total lie? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    Point is you don't even have to look at decades past - the Democrats lost control at the state and federal level during Obama's watch, and Hillary's whining about this having happened just to her is just another example of how disingenuous a liar she is.

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  48. Re:What if Russia-gate is a total lie? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    The difference is that Clinton is the one who has spent years in and around public office lying and collecting huge amounts of money while selling access via her or her husband's executive power. She's the one who did things, while in public office, that would put anyone else under her into jail ... and she lied about that non-stop and is still doing so. She's the one who was taking mountains of cash from foreigners and foreign governments, including from people who are the very antithesis of the positions she claims to stake out when pandering to the demographic she's pretending to serve. Both of them say lots of nonsense, but she's the one who destroyed government documents under subpoena, played fast and loose with classified information, and enriched herself - to the tune of millions of dollars - by selling access and campaign influence, including to foreign governments. The liberal media has the entire narrative so perfectly, absolutely, exquisitely backwards that it would be hilarious if it weren't so squalid and ugly.

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  49. Re:even if no collusion by benjfowler · · Score: 1

    Wow, STRAIGHT out of Putin troll central casting. You're not even trying to hide the fact that you don't have an original thought in your head, and just regurgitate the Chekist/mafia party line.

    We are infinitely better than your corrupt, dysfunctional shithole. We don't even have to say it, we just know it.

    You, however, have to keep repeating this ridiculous fantasy that the West is just as bad as your sad, broken, dysfunctional shithole of a country; that our leaders are as bad as the filthy murdering degenerate running yours; that our institutions are as hollowed out as yours (which you'll soon learn is WRONG, when American judicial institutions crush your shitty 2016 scam like an empty soda can); that our military is as weak as yours (which, again, you'll learn when we stomp your incompetent, ill-equipped conscript arses).

    You are a sad waste of a good education, your country is a shithole, and your entire world view is a riscible, ridiculous lie.

    It's telling what you consider a strong leader: a man who not only is a sad, incompetent crook like all the other leaders your dump of a country have been saddled with; but is a world-class murderer and sneak. You believe that somehow, that makes him a great man. What a sick, twisted place Russia must be