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Idaho Wants To Establish America's First 'Dark Sky Preserve' (idahostatesman.com)

schwit1 shares a story from the AP: Tourists heading to central Idaho will be in the dark if local officials get their way. The first International Dark Sky Reserve in the United States would fill a chunk of the state's sparsely populated region that contains night skies so pristine that interstellar dust clouds are visible in the Milky Way... Supporters say excess artificial light causes sleeping problems for people and disrupts nocturnal wildlife and that a dark sky can solve those problems, boost home values and draw tourists. Opposition to dark sky measures elsewhere in the U.S. have come from the outdoor advertising industry and those against additional government regulations.

Researchers say 80 percent of North Americans live in areas where light pollution blots out the night sky. Central Idaho contains one of the few places in the contiguous United States large enough and dark enough to attain reserve status, Barentine said. Only 11 such reserves exist in the world... The proposed Idaho reserve is mainly land managed by the U.S. Forest Service and contains the wilderness of the Sawtooth National Recreation Area... Leaders in the cities of Ketchum and Sun Valley, the tiny mountain town of Stanley, other local and federal officials, and a conservation group have been working for several years to apply this fall to designate 1,400 square miles (3,600 square kilometers) as a reserve. A final decision by the association would come about 10 weeks after the application is submitted.

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  1. Crime not Advertizing by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I thought the main opposition from dark sky projects usually came from those arguing that street lights reduce crime? A lack of advertising after dark is a good reason for dark sky preserves plus it also reduces energy use.

    1. Re:Crime not Advertizing by schwit1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Idaho has its own way of minimizing crime - shoot back. Residents 21 years of age, not disqualified from having a permit, may carry a concealed firearm statewide without a permit.

    2. Re:Crime not Advertizing by vux984 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, suicide increases as access to guns decreases.

      Wait... do you really think the suicide rate would actually go down in Japan if guns were more readily available there?

      If anything, I think it'd go up even higher. Guns and gun laws aren't WHY people commit suicide, guns are just a relatively quick and reliable and way TO commit suicide.

    3. Re:Crime not Advertizing by Dayze!Confused · · Score: 3, Informative

      I tried in vain for years to convince my local HOA of this, they would have none of it. Despite our Alley way being a private street, H shaped with no through traffic, they still insisted that we must have our alley light on. It was obvious that none of my neighbors believed it was necessary as most of those 3 years 7 out of 10 houses on our little alley had dead bulbs, and mine was turned off on principle, making 8 out of 10 houses without alley lights. About once a year the management company would come out and write up tickets for all of us, then never come back and check. How the houses were built they all had ambient light sensors to automatically turn the alley light on. I had applied to change this from an ambient light sensor to a timer where I could set it to turn off at a decent hour, but was denied. One of the chairs of the committee would always spread the false safety concern on the Facebook group, and I'd always reply with the studies that shows that more light does not correlate to less crime, to which he would be dismissive.

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  2. A good thing I think by solanum · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here in South Australia, the Astronomy Society of South Australia is also involved in this process, applying to the International Darksky Association for formal accreditation of the Mid-Murray region ( http://www.rivermurraydarkskyr... ), a very sparsely populated region with significant areas of national park. I'd be interested to know know the differences in local legislation/recognition required between the US and South Australia. I'm not involved myself, but from what I've heard the local council here are very supportive.

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  3. Dark, clear, skies are beautiful by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'll offer that the few times I've been driving through the middle of frelling nowhere in the middle of a clear night, I've been awed by the number of stars visible and the scene above me. Stop, kill the lights, and stare up in wonder...

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  4. Re: In Europe I can confirm by peppepz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I also live in Europe, and the first time I saw the night sky the way our ancestors had seen it for millions of years wasn't before I got 20-something years old. I happened to spend the night on a small island with little artificial lighting; for some reason I threw a random look to the sky, and I saw an unexpected spectacle that left me so amazed that I wouldn't look back down for minutes. I discovered that the Milky Way was something that one could actually see in the sky, in its immense size, and not only in pictures on a book. It was quite a revelation, I couldn't believe that such a sight had been denied to me for a lifetime, without me - or anybody near me - ever knowing.

  5. Re:All press, no substance by Dayze!Confused · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's sort of the point. First start by preserving the few areas that have truly dark skies, then we can work on better regulations and planning to undue much of the light pollution we have created. There isn't any night sky to preserve in Portland, OR, it would be like declaring Time Square a wildlife preserve. We do have wildlife preserves, and are building out green spaces in cities, sort of a similar idea. Start by preserving what you have and work on creating more.

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  6. Good! by drewsup · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was stationed in Idaho in the 80's, on the way back from camping in the mountains we were traveling down a pitch dark dirt road for like 30 miles late at night, i looked up and told my friends to pull over , they were like why? We pulled over,shut off the lights and when our eyes finally adjusted, there was the milky way, and it was breathtaking! We all climbed on the hood and lay back on the windshield for an hour, just mesmerized by all the stars, best trip ever! You don't realize how much sky youre missing until you see it from a pitch dark location, this needs preserving!