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Google Chrome Most Resilient Against Attacks, Researchers Find (helpnetsecurity.com)

Between Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge, and Internet Explorer, Chrome has been found to be the most resilient against attacks, an analysis by security researchers has found. Firefox, Safari, and Opera were not included in the test. From a report: "Modern web browsers such as Chrome or Edge improved security in recent years. Exploitation of vulnerabilities is certainly more complex today and requires a higher skill than in the past. However, the attack surface of modern web browsers is increasing due to new technologies and the increasing complexity of web browsers themselves," noted Markus Vervier, Managing Director of German IT security outfit X41 D-Sec (and one of the researchers involved in the analysis). The researchers' aim was to determine which browser provides the highest level of security in common enterprise usage scenarios.

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  1. Why even compare by volodymyrbiryuk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Chrome to the slow kid and his autistic older brother.

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    1. Re:Why even compare by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2
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    2. Re:Why even compare by XXongo · · Score: 1
      Yeah.

      The key sentence is the last sentence in TFA:

      "It’s too bad that other popular browsers (Firefox, Safari, Opera) weren’t included in the assessment."

    3. Re:Why even compare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Car analogy. Comparing Chrome with IE and Edge is like comparing Toyota to Mitsubishi and Suzuki without bothering to mention Honda, Mazda, Nissan, or Subaru.

    4. Re:Why even compare by hawk · · Score: 1

      Because who ever would have guessed the headline,

      Something else is more secure than Microsoft

      hawk

    5. Re:Why even compare by lgw · · Score: 1

      Firefox has been excluded from recent hacking competitions as "too easy", sadly enough, but I'd love to see how Safari, Opera stand up.

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    6. Re:Why even compare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And building on that, shouldn't we really be doing stories about Chromium vs x browser?
      Chromium at least gives you the illusion of not being a closed-source data mining tool for google

    7. Re:Why even compare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was this just a strawman test? Of course Google's browser is going to beat Microsoft's junk.

      (LMAO captca = mating)

    8. Re:Why even compare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      probably because Edge outperforms chrome performance wise and realistically what else they going to compare it too, The retard (Firefox), The infirm (Opera), The deranged (Safari)

  2. Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, what is the point of this unless it compares Chrome to Firefox. Those are the only ones that actually matter!

    1. Re:Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Chrome, Safari and Edge are the only ones that matter in the real world. Even if you combine both Firefox and Opera they still have less marketshare than any of those three.

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    2. Re:Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not true. Firefox has more market share than Edge.

    3. Re:Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by PmanAce · · Score: 1

      Internet Explorer has more market share than Firefox. Edge != Internet Explorer.

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    4. Re:Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1, Funny

      Not for long. Edge's marketshare is increasing and Firefox's marketshare is decreasing.

      And unless Firefox starts listening to their users instead of doing the opposite, and starts doing that five years ago, they're doomed.

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    5. Re: Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FTFY
      Only Chrome matters.

    6. Re:Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by theweatherelectric · · Score: 2

      Not for long. Edge's marketshare is increasing and Firefox's marketshare is decreasing.

      Edge's usage is one quarter to one third of Firefox's. It's got a way to go yet.

      they're doomed

      Unlikely. You should try Firefox 57. It will be released to the beta channel in a week or so.

    7. Re:Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by geekmux · · Score: 2

      Chrome, Safari and Edge are the only ones that matter in the real world. Even if you combine both Firefox and Opera they still have less marketshare than any of those three.

      Given the general level of ignorance and stupidity that often leads to consumers being successfully hacked and exploited, I don't know why people continue to value the metric of marketshare when it comes to mass ignorance and browser usage.

      Marketshare doesn't keep me secure. A good browser does.

    8. Re: Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      #otherbrowsersmatter

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    9. Re:Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1, Troll

      Firefox has always sucked on OS X.

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    10. Re:Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      But marketshare is what determines which browsers are tested when making websites. Clients won't accept a 10% increase to their invoices if Firefox represents only 2% of their users.

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    11. Re:Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by Sigma+7 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The point is to say "Hi, we're so skilled and want funding". Who cares about doing proper research, we're just doing enough to make a pretty 190 page document. Slightly more useful is a document that helps instruct new programmers on information on how to harden code, as opposed to a comparison on which features browsers implement.

      My opinion on the research itself: A quick scan on the document doesn't have mention of "Punycode", which was a semi-recent vulnerability which is rather important. Comparing the speed at handling that issue gives a good indicaton on the health of the browser. (For reference, Chrome, Edge and Pale Moon fix the issue. Meanwhile, Firefox fails despite an alternate version working fine. You can test you browser yourself by visitng Apple.com to see the secure lock symbol.)

    12. Re:Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither Edge nor IE even count, because they are default, non-removable installs on the OS with 85% desktop market share. Chrome, Firefox, and Opera all require effort on the part of the user to install and configure. Microsoft's offerings are "just there," and still can't grab a statistically relevant chunk of the market.

    13. Re:Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet Edge was represented in this research while every indicator available shows its market share hovering at around 2%.

    14. Re:Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by ITRambo · · Score: 1

      For security testing the top ten, or more, should have been tested, not just Microsoft's and Google's. How does Chromium compare to Chrome? If Opera more or less secure than Firefox/ I would like to know.

    15. Re:Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Moderated "troll" by some idiot who only use Firefox on Windows.

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    16. Re:Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      But marketshare statistics taken from where? Web developers websites? That's why 2%. Developers use Chrome, Safari and Firefox.

      On real websites that everybody uses, Edge usage is higher than Firefox.

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    17. Re:Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      If the website you create 'breaks' because of the browser that I am using, I am probably better off just not going to it ever again.

      Truths like this should frighten website creators. (note that I did not call them 'developers' or 'designers.')

    18. Re:Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Since when does Edge matter at all? All the statistics I've seen suggest users view Edge as their Chrome download application.

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    19. Re:Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by swillden · · Score: 2

      My opinion on the research itself: A quick scan on the document doesn't have mention of "Punycode", which was a semi-recent vulnerability which is rather important.

      This isn't that type of security analysis. It doesn't assess known vulnerabilities, but instead analyzes organizational and architectural characteristics to determine how likely the browsers are to resist future vulnerabilities. Both sorts of analyses are useful and informative. Rapid and effective correction of vulnerabilities discovered is an important tool for security, but so is designing for defense in depth.

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    20. Re:Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And browser makers (looking at you microsuck) should stick to the standards AS WRITTEN, instead of creating their own and hoping everyone else will just follow along, like IE6.

    21. Re:Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Firefox has always sucked on OS X.

      Moderated "troll" by some idiot who only use Firefox on Windows.

      More likely by someone who confuses criticism and/or contrary opinion with trolling or baiting.
      Welcome to /.

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    22. Re:Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The key is market statistics... As opposed to numbers generated from the ether, which is what you're using. This time. Because previously you were all about market stats.

    23. Re:Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by nashv · · Score: 1

      Lets put it this way. In terms of 'number of installs' , Internet Explorer and Edge win because of being bundled with Windows. The only other browser that comes relevantly close is Chrome.

      Between Chrome, Edge and Internet Explorer, you have covered about 95% of the world's consumer computers. It is obvious that their criteria is only volume...which seems to be why they have also neglected Safari.

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    24. Re:Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Just what in the Firefox market share figures makes you think it remotely matters?

    25. Re:Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the real world, Chrome, Safari and Microsofts derivitives are the only ones that matter, the rest have such marginal market share now that they just don't matter, Firefox is moribund.

    26. Re:Uh, Chrome vs Firefox is all that matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um... the last time I checked the browser contests no longer let Firefox play because it is like taking a child's lunch money.

  3. Open Source is a failure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember when we were told by guys like Tim O'Reilly and Eric Raymond that Open Source was the "best" way to do software development? Well surprise surprise it turns out that that was only true when software was simple enough to be done by amateurs. It is really interesting to see the accelerating shift away from "open" development in almost every major field. I have spoken to dozens of new grads in top schools and almost all of them see open source as not only "not important" but in the words of a couple of them "irrelevant".

    1. Re:Open Source is a failure. by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      Firefox is but one open source projet. And the failure is not in being OSS, it's in not listening to their users, i.e. the users keep saying for years that your program has memory leaks, that you should fix that instead of adding more bloated features that nobody asked for, and all you do is put your fingers in your ears and go "la-la-la-I can't-hear-you-la-la-la" then of course you're going to fail.

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    2. Re:Open Source is a failure. by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 0

      Like the "DontBeAMoran" said, the Firefox problem is not the fact that it is an open source project, his problem is developers who do not care what the target audience wants.

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    3. Re:Open Source is a failure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's be honest here, it's not "just Firefox". It's almost everything. Desktop applications like photo/video editors, word processors, video and audio players. Server side utilities and libraries like wordpress, openssl, apache struts, java, etc, etc etc. Open source projects are consistently worse than their closed source competitors in every relevant area from usability and performance to security. It's not a problem with any specific project, it's a problem with the development methodology. Open source produces worse software and it's time we had the conversation about how to deal with the catastrophe of entire generations of developers being lied to by "experts" about how they do development. The obsession with the lie of open source "superiority" has cost the industry billions and perhaps trillions of dollars in things like dealing with lost productivity, handling endless severe security vulnerabilities, etc.

    4. Re:Open Source is a failure. by brianerst · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And the memory leaks are largely caused by an unsafe extension system that is being replaced by a new, more thread-safe extension system. And the wailing and gnashing of teeth continue.

      "Firefox has memory leaks!"
      "Fixed the ones in Firefox, the rest are bad extensions (probably AdBlock)"

      "Firefox's Javascript is slow!"
      "Fixed that"

      "Firefox is slow"
      "We'll move to a new threading model that's lots faster and requires us to fix our leaky extension model too"

      "You're breaking my extensions - why don't you listen to what your users WANT???"
      [sigh...]

    5. Re:Open Source is a failure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh yes, "no true scotsman". Funny how it didn't take the FOSS apologists long to go straight for the lamest possible excuse, and one that doesn't even HELP their argument. You are basically saying that Firefox doesn't suck because it is open source, it sucks because it is yet another open source project that has bad developers. Which also helps explain the endless security, usability and performance problems in every other major open source project of note. I guess you'd say that GIMP developers do not care, and that OpenOffice developers do not care, and that KDE developers do not care, and that GNOME developers do not care, and that Wayland developers do not care, and systemd developers do not care, and that Linux kernel developers do not care, and that openssl developers do not care, and that wordpress developers do not care, etc endless etc. Yup, it's just a co-incidence that almost every single major FOSS project is done by "bad developers who do not care". Here's a clue: it isn't a coincidence.

    6. Re:Open Source is a failure. by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Never used any extension with Firefox. Still sucked on OS X.

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    7. Re:Open Source is a failure. by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      Shut up asshole, I'm not even a "FOSS lawyer" (I develop for closed government projects), I'm just pointing out the obvious you're apparently unable to understand.

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    8. Re:Open Source is a failure. by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      In your long rant, you didn't mention any software project that is actually inferior.

      But keep it up, if you are bored and have time to waste.

    9. Re: Open Source is a failure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excuses and denial. That's what we always get from Firefox fanatics when they're confronted with the many problems plaguing Firefox. Instead of taking responsibility, they just blame 'bad extensions' or worse, they pretend that the problems have been fixed.

      Somehow browsers like Chrome, Safari, and Edge manage to avoid these problems that Firefox suffers from. Maybe it's because their developers are smart enough to avoid the problems in the first place, and don't go blaming everybody and everything else.

    10. Re: Open Source is a failure. by cm5oom · · Score: 1

      Somehow browsers like Chrome, Safari, and Edge manage to avoid these problems that Firefox suffers from. Maybe it's because their developers are smart enough to avoid the problems in the first place, and don't go blaming everybody and everything else.

      Funny you should say that considering firefox is switching to the extension api that chrome uses. Maybe you're more right then you know. To spell it out for those who can't follow along maybe the extention api really is the problem.

    11. Re:Open Source is a failure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > you didn't mention any software project that is actually inferior.

      LOL. Burying your head in the sand isn't going to help.

    12. Re:Open Source is a failure. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      And yet at the time when Firefox started getting some serious criticism it was one of the fastest and memory friendly browsers on the market. You know what we can do to improve that? Fuck with the user interface, add things no one wants, force people to write shitty extensions to make Firefox act the way it used to and .... oh look those extensions are buggy and make it all slow.

      The things you listed are bug fixes, not "what the users want".

    13. Re:Open Source is a failure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, that holds true, if you ignore everything they were doing in addition to those things. They have spent years getting Firefox (a ten year old product) up to speed, including threading it, hardware accelerating it, giving it a multiprocess model, and so forth. But somehow none of that ever registers with people who can't stand the price of those efforts. So much so that they would rather pretend that only bad things are done by the developers, and that they don't listen to anyone. This happens to every software product that has gained popularity; it even happens to Chrome these days. It will only get worse as we "nerds" age and continue our graceless slide into self-entitled myopia.

  4. Better Title. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google Chrome More Resilient Than Microsoft Edge and Internet Explorer Against Attacks, Lazy Researchers Find.

  5. Are you kidding me?! by the_skywise · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We compared Chrome to one of the most reviled web browsers in the world for poor security and discovered it came out on top! You won't believe what happened next - click here!

    1. Re:Are you kidding me?! by Baron_Yam · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, without Firefox, Safari, and Opera... it's really a pointless study unless you're merely looking for documented empirical backing for common knowledge.

      Of course, the study was sponsored by Google. I'm willing to concede it was likely a fair study for what it studied, but I'd bet the scope was limited to make Chrome look better.

    2. Re:Are you kidding me?! by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      This is probably how it went...

      Chrome vs Safari and Firefox: Chrome is 1.27% better.
      Chrome vs the retarded Duo (Internet Explorer and Edge): Chrome is 45.9% better.

      "Let's use the 45.9% one."

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    3. Re:Are you kidding me?! by swillden · · Score: 1

      This is probably how it went...

      Chrome vs Safari and Firefox: Chrome is 1.27% better. Chrome vs the retarded Duo (Internet Explorer and Edge): Chrome is 45.9% better.

      "Let's use the 45.9% one."

      Well, if you look at vulnerabilities and hacking competitions, FF is perhaps a bit better than Edge, but Safari is far worse. I think the choice was mostly made based on what enterprises are likely to use, since enterprise security is the main focus. That means the relevant OS is Windows, and enterprises typically either (a) use what comes with the OS (IE/Edge) or (b) use Chrome. Enterprise use of FF is rare AFAICS.

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    4. Re: Are you kidding me?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you fucking kidding me? They disqualified Firefox from the pwnown competition because it sucked so fucking much and was Swiss cheese.

    5. Re:Are you kidding me?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      firefox is arguably and empirically by far the worst security wise, it isn't even a close call.

  6. Not surprisingly. by Qbertino · · Score: 2

    Chrome is a pillar of Googles strategy against Apple, Facebook and MicroSoft. They'd be stupid to let things slide with Chrome.

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  7. Re:Born Gay? God doesn't make mistakes. by EzInKy · · Score: 0

    So you are saying that that a rabbit, who must eat his own poop to survive, was not a mistake?

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  8. Firefox, Safari, and Opera were not included by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then the test is half-assed and not worth reading.

    1. Re:Firefox, Safari, and Opera were not included by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      Why would Safari be included? It requires a hardware dongle that most of us don't possess.

      I have the Safari for Windows installer for version 5.34.51.22 but that's a version from 10/2014 and Apple hasn't released anything newer. It's producer has made it irrelevant to 'the rest of us.'

    2. Re:Firefox, Safari, and Opera were not included by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe ... just maybe .... because more than 60% of the mobile web traffic is done via Safari?

      Even with Android's high market share, the highest web usage statistic belongs to iOS.

    3. Re: Firefox, Safari, and Opera were not included by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anddddddd numbers do not lieeeeeeeeeeee - the game.

    4. Re:Firefox, Safari, and Opera were not included by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you are a bit wrong there; it is worth reading if you read the Disclaimer that they somehow forgot to include, and msmash/manishs is anyway too incompetent to grasp:
      "Disclaimer: This is a Windows Desktop only comparison! Attacks on iOS, OSX, and Linux are of so little import that we couldn't be bothered to look for any.
      Windowz Rulez! Everybody else Droolz!"

      Say, just what is the Mobile Market penetration of Windows these days? Did they ever get back up over 1%?

  9. Important paragraph from the intro by swillden · · Score: 3, Informative

    There's an important paragraph in the introduction:

    The analysis has been sponsored by Google. X41 D-Sec GmbH accepted this sponsorship on the condition that Google would not interfere with our testing methodology or control the content of our paper. We are aware that we could unconsciously be biased to produce results favorable to our sponsor, and have attempted to eliminate this by being as transparent as possible about our decision-making processes and testing methodologies.

    You can read the paper yourself to determine whether they succeeded at avoiding biasing their results. One up-front question is why they didn't include Firefox. Based on public vulnerabilities and Pwn2Own and similar competitions, FF is less secure than Chrome, but often better than Edge. Safari tends to trail by a large margin, so its exclusion doesn't surprise me, nor does the exclusion of Opera and other browsers with very small market share.

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    1. Re:Important paragraph from the intro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because no one uses Firefox?

      I recently decided to check browsers being used on a website I run, to see what the lowest version of IE I could support would be, and noticed that there were only two versions of Firefox still being used: Firefox 3, and Firefox 37. And that was all that was recorded for Firefox in the past year. Yes, this year.

    2. Re:Important paragraph from the intro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd get Chrome from me, too, because I obfuscate my user agent to report the most commonly-used browser/version. And at work you'll get an Edge user agent reported, because we use a proxy that rewrites this and various other reporting strings. This is why actual logged stats are patently worthless to deduce real market share.

    3. Re:Important paragraph from the intro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People use Random User-Agent and Canvas Defender extensions to show random user-agents. So webpages will not get any "real" data about the real browser.

    4. Re:Important paragraph from the intro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The amount of organisations and people that obfuscate their user agents are statistically insignificant and have no real impact on stat collection at any site of significant size.

  10. Being as how Chrome users... by EzInKy · · Score: 1

    ...surrender all there personal info to google, I can see how this can be so.

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    1. Re:Being as how Chrome users... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...surrender all there personal info to google, I can see how this can be so.

      Indeed - if you can't see the difference between "there" and " their", how could you ever hope to see that?

  11. Shit comparison, shit software by The123king · · Score: 1

    That's like comparing a pile of shit and a bucket of shit to a rose. which one will smell better?

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  12. Link to actual research by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

    Link to actual research:
    https://browser-security.x41-dsec.de/X41-Browser-Security-White-Paper.pdf

    because Slashdot editors are lazy. More seriously, this paper appears to be a must-read if you're responsible for desktop or other end-user security. (The examples are great.)

  13. Memory leak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just the orher day i was on a websight where an advertisment from adsense started to refesh in a way that eventually caused the google helper process to consume all available memory. This also happened for firefox and edge, so chrome wasnt alone. The ad appeared to be for a fake news sight. Seems like they all still have work to do.

    1. Re:Memory leak by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

      Just the orher day i was on a websight ... Seems like they all still have work to do.

      And you have to attain 6th grade English level.

    2. Re: Memory leak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He can't help it that he needs glasses.

  14. Firefox 57 will likely destroy Firefox. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Your attitude is a perfect example of why Firefox is on its way out. If you knew anything about Firefox 57 you'd know that it could very well be the final nail in Firefox's coffin. You would not be recommending that users look forward to it!

    Firefox 57 is due in November, and it's the first release that's supposed to only support WebExtensions extensions. This will very likely break many existing extensions. Due to differing capabilities between the existing extension model and WebExtensions it may not even be possible to reimplement some existing extensions!

    So I think we'll see two things happen:

    1) A small number of Firefox users will continue to use pre-57 versions, so they can continue to use extensions that won't be or can't be supported in Firefox 57 and beyond.

    2) A much larger number of Firefox users will move to Chrome (or Chromium) and never look back. If all of their extensions use a Chrome-like model, there's no reason to use Firefox. In my experience, and that of many other people, Firefox is very slow, bloated, and memory-hungry compared to Chrome. I'm sure you'll parade some bullshit "benchmarks" showing otherwise, but these benchmarks don't correspond at all to the actual experience of using Firefox and feeling just how less responsive it is than Chrome.

    Firefox's market share is already pretty pathetic. Firefox 54 has only 2.94% of the market. Firefox 55 has only 1.19%. Firefox 52 has 0.49%. The rest of Firefox's releases, including Firefox for Android, are well under 1%. Many of them are in the 0.01% to 0.05% range.

    I wouldn't be at all surprised if Firefox 57 knocks Firefox down to the 1% to 2% range.

    Firefox is already pretty irrelevant now that's down to about 5%. When it's down to the lowest of the low single-digit percentages, the chance of a recovery will basically become non-existent. And once the Yahoo search deal expires, it's doubtful that any other organization will want to sign a search deal with Mozilla. Why would they, if Firefox has only 1% or maybe 2% of the market at that time? Firefox's future will be even bleaker than it already is if Mozilla were to lose out on their main source of income.

    You hype Firefox 57 as if it's a good thing. The evidence suggests otherwise. It shows that Firefox 57 has the potential to be the most disastrous release in Firefox's history, even worse than the early rapid-release extension breakage debacle and even worse than the Australis debacle.

    1. Re:Firefox 57 will likely destroy Firefox. by theweatherelectric · · Score: 2

      Your attitude is a perfect example of why Firefox is on its way out.

      What attitude is that? Rationality?

      If you knew anything about Firefox 57 you'd know that it could very well be the final nail in Firefox's coffin.

      Unlikely. Use Firefox 57 first, talk second.

    2. Re:Firefox 57 will likely destroy Firefox. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firefox 57 is due in November, and it's the first release that's supposed to only support WebExtensions extensions. This will very likely break many existing extensions. Due to differing capabilities between the existing extension model and WebExtensions it may not even be possible to reimplement some existing extensions!

      Good.

      Most of the performance issues from Firefox was from making it so anyone could do anything
      If you think you know how to make the perfect browser, do it yourself.

    3. Re: Firefox 57 will likely destroy Firefox. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would people try to make a perfect browser on their own when they could just use Chrome?

    4. Re:Firefox 57 will likely destroy Firefox. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i thought the whole idea, and a good one at that, is that "WebExtensions extensions are cross browser system for developing extensions. To a large extent the system is compatible with the extension API supported by Google Chrome and Opera and the W3C Draft Community Group."

      meaning you can use chrome extensions and opera extensions on firefox. why would it "not even be possible to reimplement some existing extensions!"? what extension for firefox has no chrome or opera equivalent? would it not be easier for extension developers to make one extension for all compatible browsers? what extensions are so important, that you cannot live without it, and that there is no alternative for chrome or opera in place?

  15. Time to broaden the definition by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    It literally synchronizes malicious adware and malware extensions across multiple devices automatically. They're doing nothing about bad plugins and extensions either and that is what affects the majority of end users. So it's basically the least secure.

  16. Ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our IT dept. is constantly removing rogue PDF extensions that hijack a ton of functionality, as well as MacKeeper, and Genio adware off of laptops of users that use Chrome. Firefox users have dramatically less issues with these things. I know some of this is attributable to user error, but the rogue extensions on Chrome have got to go.

    1. Re:Ridiculous by koreanbabykilla · · Score: 1

      My work IT dept only allows a very small whitelist of extentions to be installed on chrome. Perhaps you should implement this at your IT department ?

  17. The gays aren't the problem, it APK's moose dick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is ok APK gays aren't the problem.

    The problem is APK's undying love of moose dick

  18. Cue Barney Stinson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Challenge Accepted!

  19. You really shouldn't mock creimer and APK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You really shouldn't mock creimer and APK like that. I know they are bad but comparing them to Edge and IE respectively just seems cruel even for them.

    1. Re:You really shouldn't mock creimer and APK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, things are getting worse. We have discovered that creimer has siblings:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      You must there an obvious resemblance with a picture of creimer that he posted online himself:
      https://school.discoveryeducat...

      We have also learned that creimer is the father and creimer's mother, the mother.

  20. Pointless advert by Voice+of+satan · · Score: 1

    Pointless advert disguised as research. Did RTFA. Lost my time. Without including other browsers and OSes this has little value.

  21. Re:Born Gay? God doesn't make mistakes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TLDR ->Management Summary->"I'm gay as a goose but so far in back of the closet I can see Narnia"

  22. Useless report by campuscodi · · Score: 1

    This research is useless because they only compared it to Edge and IE. Of course it was better. All browsers are better than those 2. Furthermore, the study was sponsored by Google, which explains why it's so Chrome positive. https://www.x41-dsec.de/securi...

  23. requisite snark by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

    Shame Firefox can't rip off this feature/design aspect too.

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  24. The Company is Cutting, No, Bleeding Edge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On the front page of their "security" website is an insightful article saying that the weakest links in infused are weak passwords and negligent employees.

    Did you know that? Did you?

    It's earth shattering news.

  25. Calendar by Thelasko · · Score: 1

    I feel it should be noted that they separated Thunderbird and Lightning into two separate entries in the survey. For those unaware, the calendar plugin for Thunderbird is Lightning. Therefore, they should be counted as one. Doing so would make them the winner hands down. Unfortunately, since the separated them, Gnome-Calendar was the winner.

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  26. Re: Born Gay? God doesn't make mistakes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    R kelly: Tom cruise please come out of the closet

    Tom cruise: why don't you come in the closet?

    R kelly: now I'm in the closetttttttt

  27. makes sense by bobmajdakjr · · Score: 1

    google cannot allow others to get access to the data they are harvesting about you, then they would lose their edge. makes sense they might have tried a little harder than mozillderp.