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Vacuum Company Dyson To Build 'Radically Different' Electric Car (theguardian.com)

British inventor Sir James Dyson has announced plans to build an electric car that will be "radically different" from current models and go on sale in 2020. The Guardian reports: The billionaire who revolutionized the vacuum cleaner said 400 engineers in Wiltshire had been working since 2015 on the 2.5 billion British pound project. No prototype has yet been built, but Dyson said the car's electric motor was ready, while two different battery types were under development that he claimed were already more efficient than in existing electric cars. Dyson said consumers would have to "wait and see" what the car would look like: "We don't have an existing chassis [...] We're starting from scratch. What we're doing is quite radical." However, he said the design was "all about the technology" and warned that it would be an expensive vehicle to purchase. While he did not name a price, he said: "Maybe the better figure is how much of a deposit they would be prepared to put down."

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  1. I bet it's going to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    totally suck!

    1. Re: I bet it's going to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm going to go against the grain by saying I was extremely impressed with their engineering prowess.

      I watched a YouTube video where a mechanical engineer disassembled one of their motors and used an oscilloscope to show how they got so much power out of a tiny little moter.

      I'm not joking it was actually very impressive, the way the power ramped up using a digital function was amazing. It wasn't like they just used a bigger motor and applied simple power to it. The motor was receiving so much power that it would actually be destroyed if the power wasn't ocellated in that exact way.

      So if anything I think they're major innovation is going to be the motor in the vehicle. I'm not so interested in the rest of their packaging but I will always acknowledge and impressive engineering talent whenever I see it.

    2. Re: I bet it's going to... by thegarbz · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm not joking it was actually very impressive, the way the power ramped up using a digital function was amazing.

      Dyson has a long history of taken existing and well known concepts and putting them in a different box. These examples are just the latest. Their vacuum is nothing more than taking Dyson's own off the shelf shop vac, and then trial and erroring his way to make it smaller because he didn't understand the calculations developed 40 years earlier. The jet drier... Just a Mitsubishi version that looks a bit better. The air multiplier fan? Toshiba's patent with a slightly smaller motor (20 years after Toshiba stopped making them) so it doesn't have as big a base. Their hair drier? All looks with the airmultiplier concept. 10x the price of a traditional one, same airflow, same heating, but much heavier.

      Waveform sculpting for efficient motor driving is second year university level stuff, and any idiot can show you cool pictures on an oscilloscope. What it does result in is fantastically small motor designs that are almost impossible to repair, which is one of the reason why waveform sculpting has never left the "it needs to be as small as possible" realm and moved into wider industry.

    3. Re: I bet it's going to... by Rei · · Score: 4, Informative

      I agreed with you up until the last line. Essentially all modern EVs use waveform sculpting.

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    4. Re: I bet it's going to... by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Are you quoting me quoting you quoting me in the wrong order while correcting me all at once? Daaaayyyyyyymn.

  2. "The first Dyson product that doesn't suck or blow by jpellino · · Score: 5, Funny

    Kinda catchy.

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  3. Who cares. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where the hell is my sphere, Dyson?

  4. Re:Sunk Costs by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Half of that was just in battery tech. New battery tech can easily repay 2.5bn even if the car never gets manufactured.

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  5. Cost by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Funny

    Considering the Dyson hairdryer costs $400, and a Dyson table fan costs $300, I predict the Dyson Car will cost $5 million dollars.

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  6. Skeptical by kiminator · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wish him success. It'd be wonderful to have a new Tesla-like operation running (in the sense of a new purely-electric vehicle company). But the smart money is on this project utterly failing. There is a huge amount of technical and marketing expertise involved in designing something as complex as a car. If he's coming into this without involving a lot of people really experienced with all aspects of car development, the chances are really good that the project will be doomed to failure. Plus there's the whole manufacturing problem to tackle. Bringing a new car assembly line into production would be monumental, and even contracting with an existing manufacturer for this purpose would be extremely challenging (especially if the differences from existing car designs are substantial, as Dyson apparently wants to achieve).

    And if the car is too different from existing designs, he's going to have a hell of a time convincing people to buy it.

  7. The roads will be a lot cleaner by Blinkin1200 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The roads will be a lot cleaner after one of these goes by. The one I'm waiting for is the Roomba car - self driving and learns the way to your destination by bumping into things along the way.

  8. Re:anyone care to bet... by Rei · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Don't mix up "bucking traditional style trends in order to be deliberately unusual" (for example, Prius Prime) with "bucking traditional style trends because it matters for aerodynamics" (such as aero wheels, grilleless designs, greater rear taper, shallower windshield rake, etc). The former is for people who want to shout to other drivers, "HEY, I'M DRIVING A GREEN CAR!!!", while the latter is simply physics and economics - lower energy consumption means smaller battery packs / less weight / less cost (or instead, longer range), fewer cycles at lower DoD on the packs, less cost to charge, faster charging from a given power source, etc, etc. It basically gives you a better, cheaper car.

    Style trends change. Sometimes manufacturers buck style trends to stand out - with the Prius Prime, for example, there's nothing about having your rear end look like it was stepped on by a giant that helps your efficiency. But more often, they do so because it offers serious potential benefits. The latter slowly tends to become mainstream over time. "Back in the day", cars that didn't look like carriages were seen as weird. Raked, windshields (let alone curved ones)? Headlights -embedded- in the hood? A curved hood? Any taper whatsoever? Bumpers? On and on the list goes - all used to be seen as "fugly". As weirdmobiles. But they won out because they offered very real advantages, and people's style expectations changed accordingly as that's what they got used to seeing.

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