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Dubai Proposes Giant Simulated Mars City In the Desert (newatlas.com)

future guy shares a report from New Atlas: The UAE government has announced it is building the world's largest space simulation city, and to top it off it will be designed by one of the world's flashiest architects, Bjarke Ingels, whose company is literally called BIG. The project is called the Mars Science City and will cover 1.9 million sq ft (176,516 sq m) at a cost of nearly $140 million dollars. The city will span several domes, including a space for a team to live for up to a year as part of a Mars simulation. Several scientific laboratories will be included, focusing on developing methods for a Mars colony to produce food, energy and water. A museum exhibiting great space achievements will also be incorporated into the city with the walls of the museum being 3D printed using sand from the nearby Emirati desert.

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  1. Good Choice by mentil · · Score: 4, Funny

    When I think of a wasteland that has little access to potable water, a decaying alien civilization, no effective governance, is a pit people keep throwing money into, that is a good place to die and an even better place to send Tom Cruise, I think of Dubai.

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    1. Re:Good Choice by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      When I think of a planet that has much less sunlight than Earth, a thin atmosphere, ultra-fine sand, and 100km/h winds, I don't really think of anywhere on Earth as being similar enough to usefully simulate the conditions.

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    2. Re:Good Choice by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      You have to understand their thought process: where on Mars would you place the first city/settlement?
      Likely into the desert at the equator, provided you get/find some water over there.

      Dubai is close to the equator in the desert ...

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    3. Re: Good Choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its so hot there it must have fried their brains https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Mars

    4. Re:Good Choice by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Anywhere on Earth that you want to build a sealed dome is similar enough. Doesn't account for pressure differences on the dome, but that's not the most complex issue.

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    5. Re:Good Choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have u ever been to dubai? it's nothing like your description

  2. Dollar dollars, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "$140 million dollars". Gotta love those dollar dollars.

    1. Re:Dollar dollars, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      where do you think dolla dolla bills come from, yall?

    2. Re:Dollar dollars, eh? by 6Yankee · · Score: 2

      They come out of the ATM machine when you enter your PIN number.

    3. Re:Dollar dollars, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Automated ATM machines are much more convenient and a personal PIN number is much more secure.

    4. Re:Dollar dollars, eh? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Manages to be redundant without actually clarifying whether it's CAD, USD, AUD or the like.

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    5. Re:Dollar dollars, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since USD is the second currency there and considering AED is pegged with US $, they surely mean $ of US.

  3. Devon Island by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Mars Curiosity Rover is already on Earth, on Devon Island, so why not just use that for their FAKE 'Mars' photos?

  4. Significant figures and conversion precision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    1.9 million square feet is 180,000 square metres. It is not 176,516 square metres.

    In fact, the number “1.9 million sq ft” is likely a conversion from an original number in square metres anyway!

    1. Re:Significant figures and conversion precision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In fact, the number “1.9 million sq ft” is likely a conversion from an original number in square metres anyway!

      Yes, it's actually 17.5 hectares, which is a convenient 175,000 square meters. Nice thing, this metric system. I'm surprised it's not more popular.

    2. Re:Significant figures and conversion precision by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      What's that in Libraries of Congress?

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    3. Re:Significant figures and conversion precision by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Technically it's 18 hectares. It is quite a nifty system though.

    4. Re:Significant figures and conversion precision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well the metric system is used in all countries except three, i.e. Myanmar (Burma), Liberia and United States, so it is pretty popular.

    5. Re:Significant figures and conversion precision by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      Technically it's 18 hectares. It is quite a nifty system though.

      I wasn't converting, I was quoting the original source of the information, which gave the land area as 17.5 hectares.

    6. Re:Significant figures and conversion precision by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that was sarcasm.

  5. Amazing idea by sheramil · · Score: 4, Funny

    And when the money runs out, we'll have authentic Ancient Martian Ruins.

    1. Re:Amazing idea by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Speaking of money running out, "More than 85% of the UAE's economy was based on the oil exports in 2009." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.... With electric vehicles and bans of fossil fuels appearing, panic and desperation will create all sorts of ideas. There is an ugliness hidden in the background of all this. When they don't want that oil any more, they will find excuses, sponsoring terrorism, to confiscate overseas investments of the Muslim Arab oil states, to pay the victims (with no new revenue coming in they will not be able to fight back).

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    2. Re: Amazing idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've been preparing for the end of oil for years, the sovereign wealth fund must be pretty big by now. And all those people taking advantage of free education can put it to use generating new startups.

    3. Re:Amazing idea by TWX · · Score: 2

      Can't find an immediate source for it, but I remember a story of an arabian man that commented that his grandfather rode a camel, his father drove a Dodge truck (or something practical for working in the oil fields, and the Dodges were apparently very common), he drives a Mercedes, he expects his son to drive a Dodge, and for his grandson to ride a camel.

      The point was that the ramifications of a severe reduction in the demand for oil are not unknown, but at the same time there's only so much they can do about it. I gather that some of the oil-wealthy are taking steps to diversify, but as they're all still humans, many are not looking long-term and the gains they currently have will be temporary.

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    4. Re:Amazing idea by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Something like that might happen sooner than we think. In a lot of places in the ME you can still poke the sand with a stick and get some oil for your trouble; these places can still produce way cheaper than anywhere else. The problem is that the budgets for these countries have grown to match the staggering revenues from oil... oil priced at $75 a barrel and up, that is. When oil dropped to $40, SA was running a deficit that they wouldn't be able to keep up for very long even with their enormous reserves. The pressure has been eased a bit with higher oil prices and some fiscal restraint, but as soon as these governments find themselves having to make cuts for real, the populace will feel this immediately. The days of generous stipends and most work being done by immigrant labour might be over soon, and I bet the transition isn't going to be gentle nor quiet.

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    5. Re:Amazing idea by jedZ · · Score: 2

      The original quote goes like this: "My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I drive a Mercedes, my son drives a Land Rover, his son will drive a Land Rover, but his son will ride a camel." by Rashid bin Said Al Maktum, who was the Vice-President and Prime Minister of the UAE and Emir of Dubai

    6. Re:Amazing idea by sheramil · · Score: 2

      ... With electric vehicles and bans of fossil fuels appearing, panic and desperation will create all sorts of ideas. There is an ugliness hidden in the background of all this. When they don't want that oil any more, they will...

      ... do something else with it, like, oh, I don't know.. make plastic , perhaps.

    7. Re:Amazing idea by sittingnut · · Score: 1

      "With electric vehicles and bans of fossil fuels appearing, "

      none of that has happened in reality. just politicians' plans in future; ie lots of skepticism is called for. don't put horse before the camel.

      arab oil's big problem is not "electric vehicles, etc", but fracking and resulting glut that is keeping price of oil stagnant(which btw will also make alternatives to fossil fuels uneconomic)

    8. Re: Amazing idea by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Although burning oil for fuel may be coming to an end in the next 50 years, there are many other uses for oil and there will be many enthusiasts still. So they won't have today's revenues but they have enough oil to supply current usage for another 100 years, if that use drops, that only extends how much they have.

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    9. Re:Amazing idea by swb · · Score: 1

      I've read that oil has a long list of critical uses beyond just as a motor fuel. Plastics, fertilizer, and so on.

      What's always baffled me is why these oil rich countries always stayed just an extraction export economy and didn't use the wealth + raw materials to develop a petrochemical industry. Cheap energy plus a petrochemical and plastics industry plus surplus wealth after that sounds like a great way to jump start a more advanced and sophisticated economy.

      Labor might have been a problem, but given the short distances between the Middle East and India, they could have imported labor or shifted the more labor-intensive parts to their operations to India. Oil rich countries also could have made India into something of a little China in terms of being the manufacturing sector for their materials and petrochemical output.

      Even if oil maintains its non-fuel value well into the future, price spikes in oil itself will have driven more advanced petrochemical industries into alternative precursors, recycling techniques, etc, that would make it harder for a desert oil producer to play catch up. So really, they should have gotten started on this in the 1970s or 1980s.

    10. Re:Amazing idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Greed baffles you?

    11. Re: Amazing idea by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      If you stop burning oil, the demand drops by a lot. Price depends on supply and demand. You could cut supply to keep the price high, but then you're also cutting your volume. Either way, the amount of money flowing into your country drops. With a serious drop in demand OPEC probably wouldn't have the power to manipulate the market much anyway.

    12. Re:Amazing idea by turkeyfish · · Score: 1

      Dubai could go solar and export the electricity. They do have lots of sunshine.

      However, my sense is that they won't do it fast enough to matter and most of Dubai will be underwater in a few hundred years at the current rate of acceleration in global warming.

    13. Re:Amazing idea by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1

      About 4% of the worlds oil production goes to plastic. Even if they continue to make plastic from oil (which may not be economical), that is still a 96% drop in demand.

    14. Re:Amazing idea by sheramil · · Score: 1

      Then they need to promote plastic the way that cars have been promoted. Plastic is sexy! Plastic is virile! If you wear all-plastic clothes and live in an all-plastic house, eating plastic food, girls (most likely plastic girls) will want to sleep with you!

      "Plastic... plastic gets me hot!" - Professor T.J.Teru, "Ruby"

    15. Re: Amazing idea by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Oil and natural gas are used in manufacturing in many ways. But normally they take what is not used to burn as fuel. Those refineries also need to change, no longer working to produce as much fuel as possible but the other chemicals to be used in industrial process. Demand drops hugely, glut of oil, kills the price putting all the most expensive sources out of business. The US probably easily produces sufficient for manufacture so zero imports. A large glut on the market means other countries can become far more selective in who they will buy from. Basically fossil fuel income dependent nations are going to go bust bug time.

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    16. Re:Amazing idea by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Problem with those countries who want to diversify by becoming capitalist parasites, produce nothing but charge interest. You can push them out of the market at the stroke of a pen, nothing backs their capital, hence zero it's value is easy. A lot of them were quite naughty when they had fossil fuel money to play with, they willed be punished for their naughty acts because of course if favours local national corporations to do so.

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  6. Weighty concerns by petes_PoV · · Score: 1
    it will be interesting to see how they simulate Mars' one-third Earth gravity.

    Because without that rather basic attribute, it's merely a domed-off part of Earth.

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    1. Re:Weighty concerns by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

      not even the Ringworld engineers could achieve that feat.

      They could simulate Mars atmosphere by building the map of Mars hundreds of thousands of feet high, but not the gravity.

    2. Re:Weighty concerns by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      This is a publicity stunt, not an actual attempt to build a structure suitable for Mars. A real Martian colony would use a cave, not a dome.

    3. Re:Weighty concerns by pushing-robot · · Score: 1

      The temperature difference is an even bigger issue; it's hard to simulate a -50C environment when it's +50C outside.

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    4. Re:Weighty concerns by mentil · · Score: 2

      If it's about 70 thousands of feet up, and moving very fast, it surely could simulate 1/3 earth's gravity. Disclaimer: periodic altitude boosts required.

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    5. Re:Weighty concerns by mentil · · Score: 2

      *meters. Guess who's not allowed to make Mars probes anymore...

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    6. Re:Weighty concerns by phayes · · Score: 1

      One could hope that they saturate the materials they are using to build this city with perchlorates just as everything is on Mars to correctly model how that impacts the buildings and soil but we're bound to be disappointed. IIRC the previous "lets model a Mars colony with a bunch of domes" was seriously perturbed by unexplainable oxygen losses that they later chalked up to the cement in the buildings continuing to cure.

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    7. Re:Weighty concerns by TWX · · Score: 1

      Lockheed Martin?

      Perkin-Elmer?

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    8. Re: Weighty concerns by guruevi · · Score: 1

      The nights in the desert get pretty frosty, you can freeze to death in the Sahara (at night).

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    9. Re:Weighty concerns by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      One of the BioSphere projects, and it was not (specifically) a Mars simulation, just a closed artificial ecosystem test.

      And they messed up very badly in how they handled the failure, too.

    10. Re:Weighty concerns by PReDiToR · · Score: 1

      The kind of countries that "elect" strategically shaven monkeys with a penchant for war, cling to archaic population control methods run by tax avoiding pedophiles, and which refuse to join the 19th centuary by not teaching their young the almost universally adopted standard for measurement?

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    11. Re:Weighty concerns by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Around the equator during 'summer' at day time, temperatures go up to +20C (on Mars).

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    12. Re: Weighty concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will they bathe the dome with cosmic rays, too?

    13. Re:Weighty concerns by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      >A real Martian colony would use a cave, not a dome

      Lava tubes are useful. I like the idea of digging in to bottom of the north wall of Valles Marineris, since the lower you go the more of that feeble air pressure you get to help you out (you can get up to a little over 1% of standard pressure at Mars' lowest points...).

      However, that doesn't necessarily get you near the other resources you need. It might be worth living closer to the poles, or near a major deposit of a useful mineral or a place where the perchlorate concentrations are lower for some reason. Mars doesn't have a coherent magnetic field, but it does have some magnetic bubbles... maybe there's a semi-stable one and it'd be worth living there for the extra shielding.

      There ARE proposals to build small domes and cover them with Martian regolith as radiation shielding, or even to build bricks out of it to save even more on construction materials hauled from Earth.

    14. Re:Weighty concerns by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Temperature isn't a big problem on Mars for the same reason it's not a big problem in orbit: the air pressure is so low that it's easy to insulate against and you're already living in a closed system.

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    15. Re: Weighty concerns by turkeyfish · · Score: 1

      True, but in the desert in Dubai freezing to death would take hours, whereas on Mars it will happen in a fraction of a second.

      Those planning a trip to Mars had better bring their jackets, all of them to be worn simultaneously. Urination and defecation on Mars will be life-threatening activities.

  7. And a Good Fit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because Martians STONE TO DEATH their adulterers, their gays, and their blamspemours, just like UAE does! AMAZING this progress!

    1. Re:And a Good Fit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will the women be allowed to drive the rover?

  8. Hint: Mars is COLD by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 0

    This thing will be a giant greenhouse in an already suffocatingly hot place.

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    1. Re:Hint: Mars is COLD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So maybe they should consider a Venus simulator...

  9. Dubai doesn't need Oil anymore by Ayano · · Score: 0

    It's a giant wealthy tourist trap.

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    1. Re:Dubai doesn't need Oil anymore by sheramil · · Score: 1

      It's a giant wealthy tourist trap.

      Indeed. Some of the more cynical Fremen say that Muad'dib only wants the tourists for their water.

  10. Has *nobody* played Zero Escape: Time Dilemma? by iapetus · · Score: 1

    This will not end well.

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    1. Re:Has *nobody* played Zero Escape: Time Dilemma? by mentil · · Score: 1

      The city inhabitants will flip a coin, win by default, and leave the habitat shortly after entering. Wait, what experiment?

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  11. stand by for simulated oxygen... etc... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hard to believe it's over 140 of our old measure degrees out there honey? our rulers are so kind for not making us go out there hardly ever any more... it's always day or night when it's supposed to be with symsun... no matter what's going on 'out there'..

  12. Why plan for Mars instead of Mercury? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't Mercury provide better prospects? Temperature at least would be much closer.

    Is it just too hard to get there safely?

  13. Dress rehearsal for the entire country by wisebabo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Considering that in 50 years the climate is projected there to become LETHAL to a normal, healthy adult in the shade, I think this is the only way that these countries will continue to exist.

    https://www.theguardian.com/en...

    Actually, this solution may work, grandiose as it is, for the rich cities like Dubai (assuming they can live off their oil derived fortunes). Unfortunately for those who cannot afford to live in round the clock air-conditioned environments, like the entire country of Yemen, they'll DIE.

    Or they'll join the hundreds of millions of refugees from that just that part of the world. (It doesn't include the more than HALF A BILLION people living in similar areas in South Asia). Or the hundreds of millions from other countries including East China and even parts of the U.S.

    http://news.nationalgeographic...

    Of course, they'll try to find a cooler climate to live in, UNDER PAIN OF DEATH. How the world will handle this, when the (tiny by comparison) six million refugees from the Syrian war has tightened borders everywhere, does not inspire hope.

    The future may be a very very horrific place for much of humanity

    1. Re:Dress rehearsal for the entire country by blindseer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, good thing that UAE is investing in nuclear power.
      https://www.reuters.com/articl...

      Investing in nuclear power would allow UAE, or any nation, to reduce carbon output and still have power for their air conditioning. Someone might ask why not invest in solar power, especially for a nation with so much access to the sun. As the article I linked to points out UAE intends to invest in that as well, the plan is to get 50% from the sun and 50% from nuclear. I'm sure that such a plan would work well for sunny locations like UAE. For places with not so much sun, like Canada, they might want to lean more on nuclear power than solar.

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    2. Re:Dress rehearsal for the entire country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The USA and CAN will need that big wall built, along with minefields and machinegun posts.
      Australia and New Zealand will need to expand their navies to enable refugee boat destruction on a constant basis.
      Europe is doomed.

    3. Re:Dress rehearsal for the entire country by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1, Informative

      Wow, I love how you assume these new immigrants will be horrific and destructive to their host cultures. We know for a fact that diversity increases a country's vivacity as well as provides badly-needed low skill workers to keep costs down. It's win-win all the way around, and saying that's some kind of dystopia future is really deplorable.

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    4. Re:Dress rehearsal for the entire country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > We know for a fact that diversity increases a country's vivacity as well as provides badly-needed low skill workers to keep costs down.

      Who is "we"? It's certainly not Europe with its millions of migrants that led to increase in crime, terror attacks being "part and parcel", increased taxes, strained social systems, parallel societies in every major city and the realization that they will be longterm welfare cases as there are no low-skill jobs for workers who aren't even literate in their own languages.

    5. Re:Dress rehearsal for the entire country by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2

      >Wow, I love how you assume these new immigrants will be horrific and destructive to their host cultures.

      There is usually a difference between migrants and refugees - the former are choosing to move and have a vested interest in conforming to some degree to succeed. Refugees are leaving their homes because they have no choice, and they're nowhere near as likely to want to adapt their culture to co-exist. Many of them may be incapable (I don't think I could adapt to a severe cultural change plus a language barrier, and I don't think I'm particularly stupid).

      Now imagine those refugees are coming from a country with strict cultural conventions that other countries find revolting. Slavery. Religious intolerance. Dress codes. And imagine they come in numbers great enough that they more or less form their own self-sustaining colonies wherever they go.

      I'm Canadian. Diversity's done pretty well for us so far, but I still would not open my arms to a mass wave of refugees from the Middle East, nor would I blame anyone else for the same attitude.

    6. Re:Dress rehearsal for the entire country by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      For places with not so much sun, like Canada, they might want to lean more on nuclear power than solar.

      And what do you happens in the center of the Sun, eh?

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    7. Re:Dress rehearsal for the entire country by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      Considering that in 50 years the climate is projected there to become LETHAL to a normal, healthy adult in the shade, I think this is the only way that these countries will continue to exist.

      When are you retards going to learn to stop putting dates to your scare mongering? If global warming were a threat Manhattan would have been underwater a over decade ago.

    8. Re:Dress rehearsal for the entire country by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      I think articles like the one from the guardian are greatly exaggerated.
      Sure, heat waves caused deaths. However, not simply because of the heat but because of in appropriated behaviour or not taking proper action.
      First of all the temperatures mentioned are not as unbearable as the authors claim. Plenty of people lived without problems through such temperatures, e.g. in Spain, north Africa or Israel.
      You have to wear proper cloth, drink enough, shade your windows, e.g. by putting blankets in front of them, if you have no rolls. You can do simple things like putting your feet into cold water.
      If it is to humid to properly sweat, a fan (and yes, in the original sense of the word, a piece of paper waved by the hand) will help. You can put a wet towel on your face, or into your neck etc. However we meanwhile have plenty of cheap solar powered small fans.
      I guess most people don't know what to do, so there is an unnecessary death toll.
      Plenty of things can be done with architecture. Classical arabic and persian (and indian) buildings made from clay, basically have air conditioning build in. It is pretty idiotic to copy western building styles with large window fronts when you can not afford AC.

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    9. Re:Dress rehearsal for the entire country by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      And this, kids, is what FUD creates.

      Headlines like the linked one from the Guardian: "Oil heartlands of Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Doha and Iranâ(TM)s coast will experience higher temperatures and humidity than ever before on Earth..."
      (bullshit 'fact' boldface mine).

      When, in fact, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... shows that temperatures in the relatively recent past have also been rather hotter, not to mention MOST of Earth's history being warmer than now...including the bulk of human habitation/evolution.

      This sort of histrionic fear is precisely what the AGW enthusiasts are trying to engender.

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    10. Re: Dress rehearsal for the entire country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least they won't all be alcoholic depressives from Russia though. That's a bleak place. Get some sun!

    11. Re:Dress rehearsal for the entire country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Nuclear Power Plants still needs to cool down... This is quite often done using a stream or a water body as a heat sink. With the raising temperatures, I wonder how this will work if those cold sources are always above... say 60C / 140 F.

    12. Re:Dress rehearsal for the entire country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He didn't say that at all.

      He pointed out that he had questions about how the world (i.e., governments, media and your average racist citizen) will handle it, given they couldn't cope with relatively few refugees coming from a warzone.

    13. Re:Dress rehearsal for the entire country by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Refugees are leaving their homes because they have no choice, and they're nowhere near as likely to want to adapt their culture to co-exist. Many of them may be incapable (I don't think I could adapt to a severe cultural change plus a language barrier, and I don't think I'm particularly stupid).

      California is chock full of these refugees from conservative cultures and difference languages -- hmong, vietnamese, middle eastern, etc. World's 6th largest economy, seems to be working out fine. South Florida seems fine with Cuban refugees floating across. Guess they're all smarter than you?

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    14. Re:Dress rehearsal for the entire country by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      It's just lazy writing. It means "ever before in human settlements."

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    15. Re:Dress rehearsal for the entire country by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      So the temperatures are predicted by some to rise 8 degrees F at most. But, somehow, the water is going to be 140F on average.

      I would just like to have someone to explain to me how that is going to happen.

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    16. Re:Dress rehearsal for the entire country by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Know for a fact?
      Citation needed.

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    17. Re:Dress rehearsal for the entire country by blindseer · · Score: 1

      I think Nuclear Power Plants still needs to cool down... This is quite often done using a stream or a water body as a heat sink. With the raising temperatures, I wonder how this will work if those cold sources are always above... say 60C / 140 F.

      A few points in response.
      - The concern is over increased frequency of heat waves with increased temperatures. Temperatures over 60C might happen at noon but it will cool off at night. Assuming that nuclear power is unavailable in those times because of the heat they will last perhaps a few hours at several times in the year. Not pleasant, of course, but that's an unlikely outcome as I'll get to in my next point...
      - The UAE power plants currently under construction are on the shore, they have access to the ocean for cooling. Generally, outside the UAE, this should also be true. The ocean will never get that hot.
      - The core temperature of these modern solid fuel reactors can reach 600C, a heat sink of even 60C will still allow production of power if perhaps less than the designed maximum.
      - Fourth generation nuclear power plants operate at even higher temperatures (800C is common) and therefore can use air cooling even in 60C heat, no water needed. Again, the output may be less than maximum designed capacity but the reduction in power would be less than the current solid fuel reactors. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... )
      - Energy storage is possible for times of increased heat. Having storage available may be necessary to accommodate the unreliable nature of having wind and solar be part of the energy supply mix, and to accommodate the inability of water cooled reactors to shift output at the rate that demand shifts. This same storage would be available, assuming proper management, for heat waves.
      - Even the "greenest of the green" utilities are not likely to abandon natural gas or fuel oil generation for emergencies. A modern gas turbine will operate at temperatures as high as 1500C, they will run just fine even with a 60C heat sink. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      - These heat waves are not going to come overnight. These heat waves are going to come, assuming they come at all, slowly over decades and therefore any place on Earth that would be subject to such heat will have plenty of time to build the infrastructure to deal with it. That might come in the forms I mentioned above or someone smarter than myself will think of even better solutions.

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  14. I think we should give the muslims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think we should give the muslims a free simulation of the surface of mercury. It's nothing they won't try to do to us when they have the power

  15. In other news : by invictusvoyd · · Score: 1

    Martians are planning to build a giant simulated desert city where real estate prices are over inflated , people are generally dumb and drink more coke than water and go crazy over everything thats gold plated.

    1. Re:In other news : by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Funny

      Clearly they want to make their country more like Mars because women are from Venus.

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    2. Re:In other news : by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Clearly they want to make their country more like Mars because women are from Venus.

      If they make a city out of Mars won't the chocolate all melt in the desert sun?

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    3. Re:In other news : by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      They'll have Mars but not the bars!

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  16. Dubai's giant fridges by DrYak · · Score: 1

    This thing will be a giant greenhouse in an already suffocatingly hot place.

    This is Dubai.

    The place that already has a giant fridge in the middle of the desert so you can ski indoor in it.

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  17. Gravity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is gravity in Dubai different from the rest of Earth?

  18. Movie set by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For our Man Mission to Mars, I wonder where they had set from Moon landing...

  19. Been there by LesserWeevil · · Score: 1

    Having spent some time in the UAE (Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Al Ain) I can say it's humid as a duck fart and about a hundred times hotter. The only similarity it has to mars is the dunes and large expanses of nothing. The Atacama desert is a better simulation.

    1. Re:Been there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Atacama desert for sure. Antarctica too. McMurdo dry valley for example.

  20. Mars isn't anything like the pictures... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No shielding.

    Without the shielding, you don't live long... and get cancer rather quickly.

    With the shielding... you need structural support and lights.... and lights need power. And the domes won't be quite that large.

    My guestimate is that the largest dome won't be over 300 meters in diameter.

    They might be able to generate the power, but creating the lights, the interior farms, the recycling...

    It is just a tourist attraction.

  21. Re: yu0 fail i7!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Goatse is no longer active, who failed? Dumb trolls, of which that is the only kind of troll in the end.

  22. This is all very interesting by NEDHead · · Score: 1

    But what I really want to know is... how are they reducing the gravity to match Mars'?

    1. Re:This is all very interesting by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Oh that's easy. A small black hole mounted on the top of the burj kalifa will reduce the local experience of gravity at ground level.

    2. Re:This is all very interesting by NEDHead · · Score: 1

      Perhaps, but it will take forever...

    3. Re:This is all very interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A small black hole...

      Racist.

  23. Does the simulation include hookers and blackjack? by CustomBuild · · Score: 1

    If so, the US had a wonderful Mars simulation already in place.

  24. More accurate conditions by dr_leviathan · · Score: 2

    Mars is COLD and has a very thin atmosphere.

    A more accurate locale would be a very high altitude cold desert. Using those criteria the McMurdo Dry Valleys in Antarctica would be a better location for a simulated Mars station.

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    1. Re:More accurate conditions by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      With a bonus that it's remote so you're forced to deal with a tenuous supply and evac route. Nowhere near Mars-like, but still far worse than being in Dubai.

    2. Re:More accurate conditions by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      But, would do nothing to bring tourist to Dubai. You have to look a the true reason for this project.

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  25. Re:Bad Choice by turkeyfish · · Score: 1

    Dubai would be a horrible place to simulate conditions on Mars. Dubai has temperatures that range from 6.1 C - 48.5 C. In contrast temperatures on Mars range from -127 C to 20 C (at the equator at high noon). A better choice would be Antarctica during the southern hemisphere Winter..

  26. Re:Bad Choice by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

    That was my first impression too. Sure, they have the wasteland aspect down, but aside from the view Dubai is nothing like Mars. The 6 people who just came out of the simulation in Hawaii had a pretty nice setup. On the top of a mountain (slightly thinner atmosphere, even though still much thicker than Mars), volcanic topography (rocks and dirt everywhere - just like Mars), and it's high enough that the temperature gets low enough to snow. I'm sure that northern Canada or Alaska has some suitably rocky terrain also. Iceland is another place that comes to mind. Even parts of Patagonia or Chile would be more realistic than a desert.

    Dubai is just looking for another tourist attraction for whenever they revert back to an economy not based on oil. It won't last forever.

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