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US Slashing Embassy Staff In Cuba Because of Apparent Sonic 'Attacks' (qz.com)

PolygamousRanchKid shares a report from The Washington Post (Warning: may be paywalled; alternative source): The United States is yanking more than half its diplomatic personnel from its embassy in Havana and warning Americans not to visit Cuba, saying it is for their own safety after a string of mysterious injuries harmed at least 21 Americans stationed there. "We have no reports that private U.S. citizens have been affected, but the attacks are known to have occurred in U.S. diplomatic residences and hotels frequented by U.S. citizens," Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said in a statement. "The Department does not have definitive answers on the cause or source of the attacks and is unable to recommend a means to mitigate exposure." Investigators are looking into the possibility that they were subjected to some sort of "sonic attack," among other theories, though it is not clear why American diplomats and a handful of Canadian envoys would be the only ones to complain of symptoms. Cuba has denied having anything to do with the injuries. Among the possibilities being explored is that agents acting on behalf of a third country may be responsible.

70 comments

  1. balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hairy and hanging low, the way Buddha intended.

  2. I am baffled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am baffled why they are unable to pinpoint the source of these attacks. Sonic waves have a point of origin. My understanding is that those waves can be traced.

    1. Re:I am baffled by Rei · · Score: 1

      Are you under the impression that they left them on nonstop in predictable locations?

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    2. Re:I am baffled by JohnFen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nothing about this "sonic attack" story makes any sense whatsoever from a physics point of view.

      This whole thing reeks of "cover story". I think we can all safely assume that we have no idea whatsoever what the truth of the situation is.

    3. Re:I am baffled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      VLF audio waves are very hard to pinpoint.

      SEE:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_note
      http://www.forensicpathophysiology.com/acoustic-weapons

      Can be deadly too.

    4. Re:I am baffled by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Nothing about this "sonic attack" story makes any sense whatsoever from a physics point of view.

      This is Slashdot . . . making sense has never been high up on the priorities here.

      This is not the answer that I was looking for . . . I expected a few Slashdotters to chime in that they are building "sonic attackers" in their mom's basement . . . 3D printed, IoT enabled . . . in a Blockchain!

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    5. Re:I am baffled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you think they are sonic?

      Anything you can vibrate can produce sonic waves, but cause of the vibration doesn't need to be sonic in the first place. You know like this one

    6. Re:I am baffled by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This was discussed before. It's most likely highly directional RF (microwaves), which easily penetrate walls, etc, while staying well focused. There are numerous studies where microwaves directed at a person's head will manifest as sounds they can "hear", although it is likely caused by the direct stimulation of the structures in the ear by the radio waves.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      http://grouper.ieee.org/groups...

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    7. Re:I am baffled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've heard of focused microwaves being used with passive resonators as a method of covertly bugging a location. The passive resonator is basically undetectable because it's not emitting any rf energy, it's basically some metal sprayed onto a diaphragm which is modulated by the sound waves. It's only "active" when a microwave beam is focused on it.
      The Soviets used that a couple of times. The Israeli's too. The "bug" itself has to be pretty big though, so it's easy to find if you know what you're looking for.

    8. Re:I am baffled by ragahast · · Score: 1

      I agree completely, but I do think that a chemical - i.e. a drug - of some kind was very likely used against these people. There are absolutely drugs that can make you hear things and develop SIB (swelling, itching brain).

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    9. Re:I am baffled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well - Even a greater question is - Why the hell would such an "attack" have been done in the first place.
      I mean - What's the sense of doing such a thing? What purpose does it have? What would anyone gain from it?
      More precise - What would Cuba gain from it? It totally makes no sense at all, at any angle you look at it.

      It only make sense if you use that news of an "attack" as an excuse to turn back all diplomacy and so on, and put Cuba in a new isolation. A fabricated "smoking gun" that was needed to do this. And I strongly suspect that's the case here.

    10. Re:I am baffled by Tuidjy · · Score: 1

      The "bug" itself has to be pretty big though, so it's easy to find if you know what you're looking for.

      Which is why it is often disguised as part of modern art, lamp sources, ornamentation on furniture, etc.

      When the resonating surface is read with the microwave beam, anyone in its path is potentially endangered, especially is the emitter is poorly calibrated, or the operator is incompetent and tries to substitute more power for proper installation and operation.

      Without having spend more than a minute of thought on this, my guess is that someone tried to eavesdrop, and harmed the people he was trying to monitor. As to who did it... the usual suspects look pretty good in this case.

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    11. Re:I am baffled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes these are no doubt microwave radiation attacks. The media is of course totally in bed with microwave radiation (i.e. cell phone) companies so they have to pretend they don't know what is going on when a $100 meter would tell you.

    12. Re:I am baffled by wonkavader · · Score: 1

      Well, certainly the youtube sample doesn't make any sense.

  3. I keep telling you.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...these are just the Kanye West CD's you've sent us!

    -- Fidel

    1. Re:I keep telling you.... by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      ...these are just the Kanye West CD's you've sent us!

      -- Fidel

      Do you like fishsticks, Fidel?

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  4. Gulf of Tonkin, with a side of bossa nova by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

    What a load of false flag horseshit. See if you can spot the direct contradiction in the first two sentences.

    Did U Know the Cubans also mind-controlled Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price and forced him to use private jets on the taxpayer's dime while Puerto Rico died? Gotta watch them Cubans. I've been their and let me tell you, their sonic weapons will make you dance uncontrollably.

    https://youtu.be/wFCG2TIEAjY

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    1. Re:Gulf of Tonkin, with a side of bossa nova by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Reading comprehension not your strong suit?

      It says no PRIVATE CITIZENS were injured. The 21 that were injured are government officials.

    2. Re:Gulf of Tonkin, with a side of bossa nova by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone knows DopeFatzo doesn't let pesky things like facts and data change his opinion.

    3. Re:Gulf of Tonkin, with a side of bossa nova by ClickOnThis · · Score: 3, Interesting

      First sentence of TFS:

      The United States is yanking more than half its diplomatic personnel from its embassy in Havana and warning Americans not to visit Cuba, saying it is for their own safety after a string of mysterious injuries harmed at least 21 Americans stationed there.

      Second sentence of TFS:

      "We have no reports that private U.S. citizens have been affected, but the attacks are known to have occurred in U.S. diplomatic residences and hotels frequented by U.S. citizens," Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said in a statement.

      PopeRatzo is right. Those sentences contradict each other. Why would the State Department warn private citizens if only government officials have been affected? There might be a case for avoiding hotels where US diplomats have stayed, but discouraging civilians from visiting Cuba altogether? That seems like fear-mongering.

      I have to wonder whether your reading comprehension is up to snuff.

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  5. Can we hire Dr. Robotnik by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to do something about these Sonic attacks?

    1. Re: Can we hire Dr. Robotnik by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He always loses to Sonic you STUPID FUCK

  6. I bet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet the Russians did this. They're hacking our Alexas and using them for sonic DoS attacks.

    1. Re:I bet... by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      I bet the Russians did this. They're hacking our Alexas and using them for sonic DoS attacks.

      Hmm. That might explain this story.

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    2. Re:I bet... by Billary+Blinton · · Score: 1

      How astute of you. My sources in the state department say that it was definitely the Russians. Not only that, they were acting on direct orders from Donald Trump.

  7. maybe it's the cia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    mk ultra v2, probably running experiments at Guantanamo then creating problems for cuba as a side benefit

  8. Guile is Cuban now? by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

    What's this world coming to?

    1. Re:Guile is Cuban now? by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      I never trusted that beady-eyed porcupine.

      Now that it surfaces he is likely Cuban and prone to guile, it appears my instincts were spot on.

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    2. Re:Guile is Cuban now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sonic boom!

  9. Mass hysteria, anyone? by loonycyborg · · Score: 1

    Seems like this could explain it. While sonic weapon explanation makes no sense. No wargoal can be achieved by causing such symptoms and such weapons would be useless.

    1. Re:Mass hysteria, anyone? by Rei · · Score: 1

      Sounds like if the goal was a third party trying to reverse progress in US-Cuban relations, they've partially succeeded already.

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    2. Re:Mass hysteria, anyone? by Derekloffin · · Score: 1

      That's what I'm leaning to at the moment too. Power of suggestion is not to be underestimated.

    3. Re:Mass hysteria, anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words, this is a case of terrorism.

    4. Re:Mass hysteria, anyone? by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      In other words, this is a case of terrorism.

      I don't think that is the word we normally use when the russians are doing it.

      What is the word: Business as usual?

    5. Re:Mass hysteria, anyone? by ckatko · · Score: 1

      Uhhh ... unless someone wanted to sabotage USA-Cuba-Russia relations by framing one of them.

      Slashdotters really need to get out of this Russia tunnel vision and realize there's at least ONE major player on the world scale. China.

    6. Re:Mass hysteria, anyone? by spitzak · · Score: 1

      Yes, mass hysteria is in fact the only answer that makes sense.

    7. Re:Mass hysteria, anyone? by spitzak · · Score: 1

      I don't think so, as the people reporting the symptoms are a random subset. Having them all be in on this plot just seems impossible, the usual problem with conspiracy theories. And the government could not have caused these symptoms to them without their cooperation, as that has all the same problems of figuring out how the Cubans did it when it looks physically impossible.

      Mass hysteria seems to be what is happening.

    8. Re:Mass hysteria, anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Business as usual, in my opinion, would be that the targets would be limited to the specific citizens of a poor, third party nation, rich in natural resources. Throwing the old rules out of the window is not healthy for anybody.

  10. Screams on incompetence, I am afraid! by bogaboga · · Score: 1

    "The Department does not have definitive answers on the cause or source of the attacks and is unable to recommend a means to mitigate exposure."

    Is the whole DoD, with a massive budget unable to mitigate this thing?

    Think about it for a second: The most 'technologically advanced' country in the world brought down to its knees by some third-world operating entity! Really?

    I know who to blame: "Those Russians."

    1. Re:Screams on incompetence, I am afraid! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Is the whole DoD, with a massive budget, able to mitigate a simple bullet to embassy officials' heads?

      Well, yeah, they can, but the techniques they use largely revolve around not putting their people in places where they're going to get shot.

  11. Grenada, Part Deux by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Funny

    Trump needs a quick war he can win, and he needs it yesterday. His string of failures is starting to make the yahoos restless.

    There will be a Trump Hotel & Casino in Havana by the end of next year.

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    1. Re: Grenada, Part Deux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What are you rambling on about? You deserve to be modded -1 troll. The US doesn't suspect that the Cuban government is behind the attacks, which is why the attention is possibly on a third country. If Cuba isn't responsible, and nobody seems to suspect they are, there wouldn't be any reason for a war with them. The State Department isn't pointing a finger at Cuba by recalling the staff. But they are responsible for the safety of their staff and to warn Americans of travel dangers. The Cubans don't know what's going on, and for safety reasons, the State Department is taking these measures. Cuba is even willing to allow the FBI to conduct an investigation in Cuba, so I'm inclined to believe they're telling the truth.

      Raul Castro is stepping down in a few months, and Cuba's National Assembly will elect his successor. I'd bet that Russia is concerned about the American presence in Cuba with them set to elect a new President in early 2018. Russia likely views warming Cuba-US relations as a threat to their influence, which would give them motive for these attacks.

      It's clear that the US is frustrated with Cuba for not being able to find the source of the attacks. Recalling embassy staff back to Washington is a sign of that frustration, no doubt. But none of this is a pretext for war, no matter how much you claim it is.

    2. Re:Grenada, Part Deux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More DopeFatzo trolling. Go take a nap on some train tracks.

    3. Re:Grenada, Part Deux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Loosen the tip foil. It's cutting off some of the blood to your brain.

  12. Microwaves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Based on the symptoms, it's entirely possible that these attacks are using microwaves, not sound. That probably better explains the after effects that some of the victims have experienced. I believe Cuba because they have nothing to gain and everything to lose by attacking American and Canadian diplomats. I tend to think the attacks are state sponsored, given the apparent sophistication and the number of victims. Cuba probably isn't responsible, but this is precisely the kind of thing Russia would do.

    1. Re:Microwaves by Rei · · Score: 1

      Agreed. People had been assuming sonic because of the hearing loss and the hearing loud noises in the middle of the night, but that could just as well be a symptom of attacks from another sort, since the attacks have clearly done significant neurological damage. Either way, a technically advanced third party who wants to reverse US-Cuban relations seems to be the most probable perpetrator.

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    2. Re:Microwaves by JohnFen · · Score: 2

      I don't think we can even assume that there are any attacks at all. I'm not saying there aren't, but I am saying the what is being reported on this stuff is obvious nonsense, which leaves us with literally no data on which to even form a hypothesis, let alone draw conclusions.

    3. Re:Microwaves by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Based on the symptoms, it's entirely possible that these attacks are using microwaves, not sound.

      Good guess. A lot of younger folks these days don't remember this:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Now, when microwaving diplomats, like popcorn, if there are more than two full seconds in-between pops, it's time to stop.

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    4. Re:Microwaves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either way, a technically advanced third party who wants to reverse US-Cuban relations seems to be the most probable perpetrator.

      So Senator Marco Rubio eh ? Arrest him and have him thrown in jail. Wait, deport him to Guantanamo and torture the crap out of him until he confesses.

  13. Aiming North. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some Canadians are affected as well.

  14. Gee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ricin umbrellas, polonium sushi...

    Hmmm...

    1. Re:Gee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh gosh I hope that comes with ginger on the side!

  15. Diplomats are an anachronism by Hentes · · Score: 1

    Just get a phone line there and call them.

  16. Remember the 12 year-old girls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wasn't there some group or mass hysteria that ran through a girls school a while back? They all got sick or sleepy or something. I can't be bothered to look it up right now but this smells a lot like that. American diplomats have the mental capacities of 12 year-olds so this is what could be happening.

  17. I figured out the source long ago. by deviated_prevert · · Score: 1

    It was a ghetto blaster and a Björk cd. I still have the headache it caused.

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    1. Re:I figured out the source long ago. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was a ghetto blaster and a Björk cd. I still have the headache it caused.

      Well if that's the case the attackers do have good musical taste.

  18. It's a shame we know this by istartedi · · Score: 2

    The smart thing to do would have been to evacuate the embassy without telling anybody, possibly leaving behind a skeleton crew who understood the risk. They could pack it with sensors and determine what it was and where it was coming from. It seems plausible that Cuba wouldn't do this, and since Canada has had normal relations with them for years that's an obvious mistake. I'm guessing the Canadian embassy is near the US one; but if it isn't then we have to ask ourselves who would want to mess with both countries? We're probably not going to find out though now, because our hand was tipped... unless we actually know who it is and are deciding not to announce *that*, in which case I stand corrected and might applaud them for a smart move... if I'm alive long enough to see it declassified. That takes what, 50 years usually?

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    1. Re:It's a shame we know this by radarskiy · · Score: 2

      I'm guessing the Canadian embassy is near the US one; but if it isn't then we have to ask ourselves who would want to mess with both countries?

      Over three miles apart, so It's not just collateral damage.

    2. Re:It's a shame we know this by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Was listening to an NPR interview a while back, one of the guests was former intel and seemed certain it was Russia. I agree that this is a great way for them to try to stifle the warming of relations between the US and Cuba. Notice how certain elements are blaming Cuba for not securing Embassy staff. Great excuse for an anti-Cuba administration to kill normalization efforts.

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    3. Re:It's a shame we know this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe Cuba should have done more to secure Embassy staff?

  19. From the Space Ritual by onkelonkel · · Score: 0

    In case of Sonic Attack on your district, follow these rules:

    If you are making love it is imperative to bring all bodies to orgasm simultaneously.
    Do not waste time blocking your ears.
    Do not waste time seeking a "sound proofed" shelter.
    Try to get as far away from the sonic source as possible
    Do not panic
    Do not panic

    Use your wheels. It is what they are for.
    Small babies may be placed inside the special cocoons
    and should be left, if possible, in shelters.
    Do not attempt to use your own limbs.
    If no wheels are available - metal - not organic -
    limbs should be employed whenever practical.

    Remember:
    In the case of sonic attack survival means
    "Every man for himself"
    Statistically more people survive if they think
    only of themselves
    Do not attempt to rescue friends, relatives, loved ones
    You have only a few seconds to escape
    Use those seconds sensibly or you will inevitably die
    Think only of yourself
    Think only of yourself
    Do not panic
    Think only of yourself
    Think only of yourself

    These are the first signs of sonic attack:
    You will notice small objects - such as ornaments - oscillating
    You will notice vibrations in your diaphragm
    You will hear a distand hissing in your ears
    You will feel the need to vomit
    You will feel dizzy
    You will have difficulty focussing
    You will need to breathe more rapidly
    There will be bleeding from orifices
    There will be an ache in the pelvic region
    You may be subject to fits of hysterical shouting or even laughter

    These are all sign of imminent sonic destruction
    Your only protection is flight
    If you are less than ten years old
    Remain in your shelter and use your cocoon
    Remember - you can help no one else
    You can help no one else
    You can help no one else
    Do not panic
    Think only of yourself
    Think only of yourself
    Think only of yourself

    Think only of yourself

    Think only of yourself

    Think only of yourself

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  20. When the truth is found by jodido · · Score: 1

    If and when the truth is ever known, it will turn out to be a CIA operation gone bad.

  21. This is like playing Clue by lhowaf · · Score: 1

    I'll go with "The Russians" with a "Microwave Listening Device" in "Hotels to Which They Had Access During Construction." The effects on humans are probably unintended consequences of hitting the resonators with too much power. Hey, Ivan, crank it down to 10.

    1. Re:This is like playing Clue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A listening device that actually emits sound, instead of capturing sound? Right.

  22. IN CASE OF SONIC ATTACK ON YOUR DISTRICT... by jddj · · Score: 1
  23. Diplomats or spies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can one know the difference between government agents (think CIA) and administrative personnel?

  24. Haha, stop the "secret sonic weapons" already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the whole thing is absurd and hilarious, and the accusations are outrageous. Easy way to do a reality check: consider if the very same allegations came from Russian diplomats, would they be believed or ridiculed? Is something true just because Americans say it is?

  25. Tinfoil hats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would something like a tin foil hat / helmet help?

    Perhaps not tinfoil but something to block RF waves.

  26. Cuban exiles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could this be orchestrated by Cuban exiles? Maybe they don't like USA-Cuba getting closer without them getting any benefit from the new status-quo.
    From the description, the attack does not sound like super-sophisticated, so it should be possible for a non-state actor to execute it.

  27. Predicted by Michael Moorcock & Friends! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0