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Bill Gates Has An Android Phone. Has Microsoft Changed? (neowin.net)

Bill Gates uses an Android phone now. "It may not be the most surprising revelation, given profits are sinking faster than a boat without a hull and big-name partners are jumping ship left and right, but the founder of Microsoft has presumably left Windows Mobile," reports Neonwin. Long-time Slashdot reader Billly Gates (no relation) writes: I would assume this is the final nail in the coffin for Windows Phone and the rumored Surface Phone which may never see the light of day. Over the past few months we have seen a change in Microsoft with them being friendly to Linux with stories of porting .NET core over to Linux, helping write a custom Linux kernel, as well as introducing the not-so-popular-on-slashdot WSL Ubuntu for WIndows 10.
Noting the Android emulators in Visual Studio, he's wondering if the company's ambitions go beyond developers, and if they're planning a Microsoft version of Android, "as the tools are in place with Ubuntu, Node.js, Python, Microsoft Code editor, and the Visual Studio 2017 Community Edition."

His original submission points out that 10 years ago these stories would have been unimaginable, but he also asks a second question: has Microsoft really changed? "Could we be seeing a new Microsoft now that the world is moving to mobile and they have no operating system in it?"

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  1. Of course it would be Android by TheZeitgeist · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm sure Bill has the worst carrier distro of TouchWiz possible, all full of bloatware, loaded onto something like a Galaxy S3.

    That way it at least feels like Windows on an HP, even kinda makes Billy feel at home.

    1. Re: Of course it would be Android by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Windows Mobile, or Windows Mobile?

      You have to include the full name, not just some vague platform grouping. Windows Mobile up to version 6.5 was Windows Compact Edition. At that point, WinMo ceased to exist for a while. Consumer smartphones used Windows Phone 7, which had a rewritten kernel that fully met the WinNT spec. Industrial devices used Windows Embedded Handheld, which was just another rebranded version of WinCE. Then Windows Phone 8 broke compatibility with Windows Phone 7, and Windows Embedded Handheld 2013 broke compatibility with Windows Mobile/Embedded Handheld 6.5. Then Windows Phone 8.1 broke compatibility with WinPhone 8, while WinEH 8.1 broke compatibility with WinEH 2013. Then Windows Mobile 10 superceded both Windows Phone 8.1 AND WinEH 8.1 (technically, EH was replaced with the Win10Mo "IoT" SKU, but it's interchangeably compatible with the regular Win10Mo SKU), without breaking compatibility with either one of them.

      I had an HTC Touch Pro 2 with WinMo 6.5.3. It replaced an iPhone (original, 2G). I also have (and continue to use) a Lumia 950XL with Win10Mo. It replaced a Galaxy S3 with Android 4.3 (maxed out, T-Mo wouldn't issue 4.4 OTA). I also do a LOT of development with WinMo 6.5.3 on Intermec CN50 and CN51 devices. I also have an iPad Mini 4 (freebie that I won as a prize at work). And we're getting ready to replace those Intermecs with something that runs Android 5.0 or later (and at this point, I hope 6.0 or later, really).

      I know plenty about all of these platforms, and at a level most people can't even imagine. So take my following opinion as a very informed one: I dread the day when my Lumia 950XL dies and I have to endure a shitty, unsecurable, dead-end, barely-supported Android device again, but not as much as I dread the idea of iOS becoming the dominant mobile OS. If the world were perfect, both iOS and Android would vanish in a puff, forgotten and abandoned, and Windows Mobile would make everything Just Work.

      Again, my opinion, but based on real, actual, honest-to-god reasons, good ones, from my time as a user and developer on all of the currently available platforms.

      And if I could call out Bill Gates as a hypocrite to his face, I would. Nadella doubly so.

  2. Not this tripe again... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Could we be seeing a new Microsoft now that the world is moving to mobile and they have no operating system in it?

    This prattle is not new, and is bandied about every time someone notes whatever the current level of PC sales are. But here's the thing: Yes, the consumer has no need for anything other than their phone. But things are not (strictly speaking) created on the phone. Engineers don't do cad-cam on the phone. Commercial applications are rarely written on the phone. Secretaries do not manage memorandums on the phone. Factory controls (hopefully) are not accessed from the phone by some engineer on a chaise lounge by the pool.

    Phones and phone apps are big. In a consumer way. Otherwise, I do most of my work on a PC running CentOS, though I could get by with Widows. I don't do much work from my phone except to receive communications from my boss who is reclining on a chaise lounge by his pool.

    The world is not moving to mobile, consumers are moving to mobile.

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    1. Re:Not this tripe again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sure, today. Next year and probably the year after that. But it won't be much longer until a business person may be able to use a phone to do basic tasks by connecting it to a keyboard, mouse and monitor.

      How much longer until you can do CAD on a device the size of a phone. 2 years, 5 years, 10?

      Or another possibility Android and iOS become the dominant desktop OS. I wouldn't give Windows that much of an edge anymore. Plenty of business software can be ported and plenty will.

      All I do know is that in 2007, NOBODY thought smartphones would be this big, and NOBODY thought Apple or Google would corner the mobile market and destroy Blackberry, Palm, etc.

    2. Re:Not this tripe again... by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      They should try to perfect phone OS's and designs that plug into docking stations with bigger screens and/or CPU's. Then phones can start to replace PC "productivity" apps.

    3. Re:Not this tripe again... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2

      I can understand not using Ubuntu, but why CentOS, when there's Fedora?

      Because I don't need "bleeding edge", I need rock solid.

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    4. Re:Not this tripe again... by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      You miss just one little thing. Virtual reality glasses, not the monstrosities but compact fixed view glasses, no bigger than regular glasses with lenses fitted by an optometrist, ground to suit your vision and with a fabric shroud over the glasses and pulled up to your face to exclude external light sources as an option. So those glasses can effectively put a virtual high resolution 125'' screen right in front of you and you can hook the glasses to a smart phone. So portable hooked to servers can work and of course servers are Linux and portable is Android so Windows is dead and not to be missed after windows anal probe 10.

      M$ was repeatedly warned by the market that the abuses of windows 10 would kill the windows phone and they choose to ignore those warnings, instead relying on their arrogance to what, I don't know, they clearly did not know, and their arrogance did nothing but kill windows phone. First blow, Windows 8 trying to force a mobile phone interface on desk top users to force acceptance of the windows phone interface and then the mass invasion of privacy of windows 10, where they call invasion of privacy telemetry and pretends it means nothing 1. The science and technology of automatic measurement and transmission of data by wire, radio, or other means from remote sources, as from space vehicles, to receiving stations for recording and analysis. http://www.thefreedictionary.c..., basically phone tapping with a fancy name. They should have provided a secure edition of Windows 10 over a year ago, they did not, so fuckem.

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    5. Re:Not this tripe again... by iampiti · · Score: 2

      Exactly! The mobile OSs are very crippled. I'd say intentionally so but I'm not so sure. Anyway, they don't even allow you to be administrator on your own system and at least Android kills processes in the background like there's no tomorrow. They aren't architected as a traditional OS and it shows.
      It's a pity since they're plenty powerful for many tasks.

  3. Re:No by Motard · · Score: 2

    Fuck of click bate

    I had to look up 'bate': "(of a hawk) beat the wings in an attempt to escape from the perch: "

    A fuck of that sounds pretty clickey-wild.

  4. Bill Gates is not Microsoft by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He has been out of the company as its head for some time now. Are people really expecting him to clutch to a an unsupported mobile platform like a drowning man in the sea because he's too proud to admit his former company made a bomb? I think he's a little more practical then that. Not being indoctrinated into the Kool-Aid Klub, the choice of where to go is obvious.

    1. Re:Bill Gates is not Microsoft by pthisis · · Score: 2

      He's no longer the head, but it's not his "former company"; he remained as chairman until 2014 and has been a technology adviser since then. He actually puts in more time at the company now than he did in the chairman years.

      https://www.theverge.com/2014/...

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  5. Is this the thread where someone points out... by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    .... that Microsoft probably makes more money on Android device sales than anyone else including Google themselves, due to patent royalties?

  6. 'Unimaginable' 10 years ago? by Kaenneth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    https://slashdot.org/comments....

    from 2006

    "even if Windows dies, nothing (from a legal standpoint) could stop 'Microsoft Linux' (Optimized for Office, with IE, etc.)"

  7. Re: Bill Gates IS AN ANDROID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Gates is a nerd. He is one of us. 'Hair cut fashion??' Are you even a nerd? Who let you in?

  8. Re:How many times by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Agree 100%.

    Considering Microsoft had a 17 year head start (they have been doing phones since 2000 with Windows Mobile or if you WinCE 1996) -- in all that they time they STILL can't produce a phone that wasn't crap.

    Give it up Microsoft -- because you SUCK at phones.

  9. Re:Gates has his people with phones by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have a couple of Windows machines, both for development and for gaming. However, OS X, as a *nix platform, can do far more - through the sheer availability of both commercial and open source software - then a Win PC, with the sole exception of gaming.

    Gaming is far from the sole exception. There's masses of application software which doesn't exist on the Mac. If you want to do video or photo editing, sure it's a great choice. Major Open Source packages which haven't been ported to Windows are few and far between, and you can always just run them in a virtual machine anyway, so who cares?

    I, for one, prefer the Windows 7 interface to any Macintosh interface in my history, and I've used Systems 5 through X. Windows 10 would be fine too, if they hadn't moved all kinds of stuff around again for no reason. That kind of thing is, admittedly, quite irritating. But so is the lack of configuration options in the Apple GUI. Honestly, the best thing I've ever used was Pre-systemd Ubuntu with GNOME2+Compiz+Emerald. I even used AWN for a mac-like dock because shiny shiny. Way more functionality than the complete intersection of OSX and Windows put together, you can run OSX or Windows in a VM for compatibility, and it had complete configurability.

    Apple doesn't want you to be able to change things because that makes support more complicated. I'm sympathetic to that idea, but it's annoying to me personally. For the average user, I'm sure it is fine.

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  10. RAM-hungry application killer by epine · · Score: 2

    How much longer until you can do CAD on a device the size of a phone. 2 years, 5 years, 10?

    Never, until the non-volatile memory manages to come up with something that combines endurance with density with DDR access latencies, all at a commodity price point.

    Some of these technologies are presently planning to embed a power-hungry FPGA into the NVRAM module to handle bit-error correction. The carbon nanotubes looks great, but at 32 MB per chip, you're not packing 16 GB into anything smaller than the original Motorola brick phone, with a sticker price to rival Iridium.

    While the ARM processor may be a killer application, background DRAM refresh on 16 GB of working memory remains an application killer, for any mobile device.

    Due to physics, charge storage cells are unlikely to ever improve from the present level (brought to you by the sexy Kate MOS insulation deficit).

    NRAM set to spark a 'holy war' among memory technologies — 12 January 2017

    The best NAND flash, with error correction code, can withstand about 100,000 erase-write cycles. According to Nantero, NRAM can withstand 10^12 write cycles and 10^15 read cycles — an almost infinite number.

    Next stop, coming to a decade near you: volume arrays in volume production with volume endurance.