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Tokyo Preparing For Floods 'Beyond Anything We've Seen' (tampabay.com)
In the face of an era of extreme weather brought on by climate change, global cities are working to improve their defenses. The New York Times reports (Warning: may be paywalled; alternative source) of Tokyo's $2 billion underground anti-flood system that consists of tunnels that divert water away from the region's most vulnerable floodplains. The city is "preparing for flooding beyond anything we've seen," says Kuniharu Abe, head of the underground site. From the report: But even in Tokyo, the onset of more frequent and intense storms has forced officials to question whether the region's protections are strong enough, a concern that has become more urgent as the city prepares to host the 2020 Olympic Games. Across Japan, rainfall measuring more than 2 inches an hour has increased 30 percent over the past three decades, the Japan Meteorological Agency estimates. The frequency of rainfall of more than 3 inches an hour has jumped 70 percent. The agency attributes the increase of these intense rains to global warming, heralding a new era in a country that is among the world's wettest, with a language that has dozens of words for rain. [...]
Experts have also questioned the wisdom of erecting more concrete defenses in a country that has dammed most of its major river systems and fortified entire shorelines with breakwaters and concrete blocks. Some of these protections, they say, only encourage development in regions that could still be vulnerable to future flooding. In eastern Saitama, where the Kasukabe facility has done the most to reduce floods, local industry has flourished; the region has successfully attracted several large e-commerce distribution centers and a new shopping mall. Still, the Kasukabe operation remains a critical part of Tokyo's defenses, say officials at Japan's Land Ministry, which runs the site. Five vertical, underground cisterns, almost 250 feet deep, take in stormwater from four rivers north of Tokyo. A series of tunnels connect the cisterns to a vast tank, larger than a soccer field, with ceilings held up by 60-foot pillars that give the space a temple-like feel. From that tank, industrial pumps discharge the floodwater at a controlled pace into the Edo river, a larger river system that flushes the water into Tokyo Bay.
Experts have also questioned the wisdom of erecting more concrete defenses in a country that has dammed most of its major river systems and fortified entire shorelines with breakwaters and concrete blocks. Some of these protections, they say, only encourage development in regions that could still be vulnerable to future flooding. In eastern Saitama, where the Kasukabe facility has done the most to reduce floods, local industry has flourished; the region has successfully attracted several large e-commerce distribution centers and a new shopping mall. Still, the Kasukabe operation remains a critical part of Tokyo's defenses, say officials at Japan's Land Ministry, which runs the site. Five vertical, underground cisterns, almost 250 feet deep, take in stormwater from four rivers north of Tokyo. A series of tunnels connect the cisterns to a vast tank, larger than a soccer field, with ceilings held up by 60-foot pillars that give the space a temple-like feel. From that tank, industrial pumps discharge the floodwater at a controlled pace into the Edo river, a larger river system that flushes the water into Tokyo Bay.
30 years ago whenever the monsoon struck or if there was a flood, number of dead were in the hundreds, sometimes, thousands
Today's China, the death have fallen drastically due to a lot of extra-ordinary water channeling projects China has undertaken
I'm amazed about the willingness of people to believe fake news such as global warming. Scientists have yet to present credible evidence that humans are causing global warming. The propagandists continue to promote their message that humans are responsible, but without hard evidence, we shouldn't believe that humans are causing the Earth to get warmer. There may well be legitimate reasons to prepare for possible dosasters, especially in an area that experiences powerful typhoons. But that isn't a reason to invoke the myth that humans are causing global warming.
You are the only one to invoke it, there is not a single word about human causes in TFA and it's entirely irrelevant in its context.
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As we all know, in the near future (20XX is coming up fast!) Tokyo will be nothing but skyscrapers accessed via flying car, so it doesn't much matter if the ground is permanently flooded or not. For rural areas, look on the bright side: no having to manually flood your rice paddies, they come pre-flooded for your convenience!
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FFS! Post in metric you arseholes! Or if you must use that obsolete crap then post a translation as well!
That made me laugh. Thank you! Its been like 20 years since I heard that tune but you captured it perfectly.
With this or the Olympics. It's going to blow up in 2019 anyway.
So the summary basically boils down to Japan is dammed if they do, damned if they don't.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
What the fuck does any of that drivel have to do with Tokyo becoming the Land of the Drying Concrete and convincing idiots to build in a flood plain cause "it must be safe they got dams and giant underground water storage tanks that also feature prominently in many anime and manga!"?
Article is not about global warming.
Article is not about mass shootings.
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"Tokyo's $2 billion underground anti-flood system that consists of tunnels that divert water away"
You mean like storm water drains/sewers? Like most of the cities in the world has? I know it's useless to complain, but why does everything have to be hyped up!?
Troll.
Humans are causing global "warming" and that is more complicated than just warming, it's causing weather extremes, changes in food (food absorbs more carbon, becomes less nutritious and much larger) and sea level rise from melting ice.
If all ice melts today, the entire eastern seaboard of the United States will be flooded up to I95. The West coast will fare a bit better.
At the rate things are going right now, humans will not be around much longer. It will simply get too hot, and we haven't figured out how to grow vegetables in climate controlled environments. Nuclear war isn't going to be the end of us, failing to adapt will. If the United States is unwilling to pay attention to the evidence today, then the United States is going to end up being the Somalia of 22xx, where it has to steal supplies from it's neighbors, where as countries that decided to adapt will be the only ones able to produce anything.
Humans are causing global warming but so is everything else. Everything affects everything else.
Bias has never been a problem for people who can think.
Vague statements and platitudes. This is what the current political wedge of "the old days were better" supplies in place of the science that got us _out_ of the old days and its horrors. We were given brains, let's celebrate their ability to understand how things work, instead of fearing it.
Yeah, when they're talking abut storm drains, they can also be described as "anti-flood" and can also, for those who do not know what they do to do that, explain what they do. HOW IS THAT HYPING???? HOW IS THAT WRONG???? And if it costs 2 billion, it costs 2 billion. Are you whining about how slashdot is saying 2 billion in an article where the cost set aside for the project is 2 billion????
Why do you retards get your knickers in a twist for the most dumbass of non-reasons? Is it so you can feel persecuted therefore vindicated and worthwhile, explain away your failure as the result of persecution rather than your own hopeless stupidity?
And it is 100% expected and unstoppable. Why is this suddenly news?
Learn to swim!
You are the only one to invoke it, there is not a single word about human causes in TFA and it's entirely irrelevant in its context.
The effect of global warming is visible for pretty much anyone to see. Probably much worse than the scientists say since they only talk about things that they have hard proven evidence for - "beyond reasonable doubt" rather than the "balance of probabilities" standard you would use to decide something in a civil court or a sane person would use to decide whether to take action. The only possible way the global warming denialists can persuade people to ignore that reality is for them to challenge everything which even suggests that the weather is getting more unstable. For you this is irrelevant. For him this is another fact; a part of reality; a challenge to his lie. There are massive amounts of clear scientific evidence showing that humans are causing global warming. He knows it. Anyone educated who just reads up on this in detail knows it. Anyone who simply has a basic scientific understanding and an attention span more than five years to remember the denialists previous predictions knows it.
I'm glad this isn't done in the US, since it is a waste of taxpayer dollars. Why should people in California subsidize Texans living in a flood plain? Japan already has had a long term crappy economy, and projects like this just ensure it stays this way.
It is amazing that only the US has Libertarians. Ayn Rand's philosophy and her words ring true again and again. Socialism doesn't work. If someone can't buy something, someone else shouldn't be paying for them to have it, especially with exotic anti-flooding measures beyond tunnels and sewers.
Lets say its area equals to 2*soccer field, heavy rain means 2 inches each hour over all the area. It will take in water from way larger area than its own, say 10000 times its own area, about 55 square miles, then the tank's water level will rise at the rate of 5.5 inches per second.
I'm amazed about the willingness of people to believe fake news such as global warming. Scientists have yet to present credible evidence that humans are causing global warming. The propagandists continue to promote their message that humans are responsible, but without hard evidence, we shouldn't believe that humans are causing the Earth to get warmer. There may well be legitimate reasons to prepare for possible dosasters, especially in an area that experiences powerful typhoons. But that isn't a reason to invoke the myth that humans are causing global warming.
Just because you're too stupid to recognize credible evidence about global warming doesn't mean that there isn't any. I'll start believing that global warming is fake news once people like you start producing credible evidence that the warming is natural.
Statistics are your mathematical friend. Last we heard, critters other than humans were not digging up long buried hydrocarbons in statistically significant ways and dumping them into the atmosphere to catch those beautiful sun rays.
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But will they be prepared for the surge of water when a 100 m tall monster rises from Tokyo Bay and rampages through the city?
Another nation that will suffer from the Chinese global warming hoax. Too bad for them, but GREAT for us. They'll spend money on useless stuff while we forge ahead.
38M is greater Tokyo region, quite a large area and not that many people at risk if a huge event occurred. However the city center with wards like Edogawa at sea level with multiple rivers running on both sides could be swamped if sudden & or prolonged heavy rain over ran existing drainage. The system upstream can help alleviate heavy rain flooding more proactively. It wonâ(TM)t stop all flooding but should help minimize and most of all hopefully avoid a catastrophic flood.
When I was a child, my family lived in the Tokyo area for a while. The first couple of years we were there, we lived in a suburban area that was pretty crowded, albeit with mostly low-rise residential and commercial properties.
Our rental house sat about halfway up a fairly steep hill, at the bottom of which was an open-air market crowded with noodle vendors and the like. When I was five, there was a pretty intense typhoon. As I recall, it rained continuously for three days - and I mean it just bucketed down to the point where it was difficult to see the houses across the one-and-a-half-lane street.
The fourth day was clear, bright, and almost cloudless, so I finally got to go outside again. I wanted to visit the marketplace, but I couldn't, because the bottom of the hill was submerged under about 10 feet of water.
So, local severe flooding is nothing new for Japan - although I have no doubt it's getting worse - and addressing it via infrastructure improvements is certainly non-trivial in a nation whose population is almost entirely urban nowadays.
(BTW - I also experienced my first major earthquake in that house. It had to have been at least a 6.5, because it lasted at least half a minute. But that's a story for another time ... )
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No, the Japanese don't have 50 words for rain. Just like the Inuit don't have 50 words for snow. They have words for different types and compound words to describe different rain situations - ala 'downpour', and they have many phrases/coloquialisms as well like 'fuu' which is an onomatopoeia for wind/blowing, and can be used to reference a windy/stormy rain.
Stupid liberal mystical orientalist bullshit.
Scientists have yet to present credible evidence that humans are causing global warming.
Yes, because it might be the squirrels causing it.
There has actually been an excessive amount of credible evidence presented. It seems that none of it made it as far as the hole you keep your head in.
History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of men.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Scientists have yet to present credible evidence that humans are causing global warming.
OK, then. You explain the increase in rainfall that has been observed in Japan over the last 30 years.
Your explanation must be backed by sound theory, historical evidence, and peer-reviewed research. We're all looking forward to receiving your wisdom. Best of luck, and godspeed.
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People couldn't impersonate you effortlessly if you created an account and logged in.
This is your own problem. Cry about it somewhere else.
Brought on by Climate change lol
We are doomed. With stupidity like this as rampant as it is, it's hopeless.
Tokyo is preparing even weirder foods? I'd read about that.
Oh, floods. Boo.
Move along, no sig to see here.
Global warming is an irrelevant factor to such defenses. Any large metropolis that wants to maintain such a classification for hundreds of years must assume that a 1,-10,000 year event of each major natural disaster present in the area has a good chance of occurring and should engineer accordingly if it wants to remain a large metropolis after the fact.
Humans are causing global warming but so is everything else. Everything affects everything else.
That statement is so vague as to be almost meaningless, but, yes, for a restricted set of "everything", it is true.
The vagueness lies in the unaddressed question, how much global warming is caused by humans, and what is the effect of that? The answer is, an estimated 3 plus or minus 1.5 degrees of global warming is caused by humans due to each doubling of carbon dioxide concentration in the air, and the effects of that are hard to calculate, but will definitely include sea level rise, shifts of growing areas, and very likely changes in the severity of storms.
The "true" part, however, is also important to keep in mind: anthropogenic global warming does not occur instead of natural causes of variation; it is in addition to natural causes of variation. There will still be natural flucturations on top of the more or less steady increase in temperature due to human actions.
What? I'm not sure I'm seeing global warming...
I just read an article that reasoned that we have not seen an increase in global temperature in the past 20 years is because a little Ice Age we are in or coming out of has negated global warming. smh.
There's so much climate change horse crap flying everywhere...
"In the face of an era of extreme weather brought on by climate change" What other reason are there for extreme weather than climate change? Err... Sorry, huge nukes, volcanoes and big ass meteorites. I guess they have to specify that its not to protect from extreme weather for those reasons.
So the raw data is available. Why hasn't anyone posted graphs based on that? The answer is because they still show warming. In fact if you go back 100 years the raw data shows a higher rate of warming than the adjusted data (mainly because of the way sea surface temperatures were measured before WW II with buckets thrown over the side that cooled some before they got them on deck to measure the temperature).
Japan is threatened more by Climate Change, because it is nearer to China who invented it, according to a fucking moron.
It is a stone fact there has been no warming of any kind, man-made or natural, in the past 20 years.
Surely you mean a stoned fact? Because that is the only way this makes any sense.
Guessing you missed the IPCC report that no warming has occurred lately.
This is fake news.
The "tunnels for floods" is a cover up.
The real reason for the network of tunnels is to provide hidden burial places for Akira and Galatea.
Nuff' said!
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Is is bad that I read the title as:
Tokyo Preparing For Foods 'Beyond Anything We've Seen'
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I should use this sig to advertise my book ISBN-13 : 978-1501515132.
In other news, country entirely surrounded by water gets lots of rain.
Glad to see a city taking its flooding problem seriously I wish Houston had spent money on actual drainage rather than just retention ponds.
The increase in rain events over 3" of rain per hour might be due to the increase in the number of rain gauges / weather stations.
God dammit grandpa, I told you to get off my internet.
Every time somebody talks about "climate change" and the "extreme weather it causes" is pushing the idea that our planet's environment is undergoing some rapid change and it's just not the case. "global warming" hasn't been proved to be anything more than typical climate change thats natural to our planet. Anybody insulting those who have that stance are ignorant to do so because if they looked at the actual science (not these "97% of climate scientists agree" fuckers who misrepresent scientific papers and studies but real scientists you would see there is by NO means a large consensus among scientists that man made climate change is causing extreme weather. So let them sling their insults, hold your head up high knowing you go off facts not propaganda.
This is also irrelevant as the only thing that matters here are the locally increased flooding events, regardless of the reasons
"When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
You whined about it being hype. No reason. You whined about me not knowing English. You were wrong. And now you're trying to pretend that you being wrong is my fault.
And still no reason why you whined to begin with.
So who is the girl with their knickers in a wad? You.
Whoever is "impersonating" you seems to be doing a decent job as their incoherent retarded gibberish is indistinguishable from your incoherent retarded gibberish.
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Bias of any sort is a problem for everyone. It's a gentle nudge in a direction, not a hard push.
If you think intelligence keeps you from being influenced by bias, or being biased yourself, you're deluding yourself.
I haven't read that report, because it only exists in your made-up fairy land.