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Russian Central Bank To Ban Websites Offering Crypto-currencies (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Russia will block access to websites of exchanges that offer crypto-currencies such as Bitcoin, Russian Central Bank First Deputy Governor Sergei Shvetsov said on Tuesday. He called them "dubious." Russian financial authorities initially treated any sort of money issued by non-state approved institutions as illegal, saying they could be used to launder money. Later the authorities accepted the globally booming market of crypto-currencies but want to either control the turnover or to limit access to the market "We cannot stand apart. We cannot give direct and easy access to such dubious instruments for retail (investors)," Shvetsov said, referring to households.

45 comments

  1. A bit hypocritical by jonwil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Given how much money laundering takes place in Russia using state-issued currencies such as the US Dollar and Russian Ruble, its a bit rich for Russia to be worried about money laundering in Bitcoin and other crypto currencies.

    The real (and unstated reason) is likely to be about control, just like China. They want to stop people being able to move their wealth into assets (cryptocurrencies for example) that they cant monitor, apply taxes to or otherwise control.

    1. Re:A bit hypocritical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Has a government no right to tax income?
      Has a government no right to track its officially issued (and backed) money and try to prevent illegal usages?
      A government should be okay with some people creating their own money w/o government approval/oversight, and lots of people using that money to do illegal activities?

    2. Re:A bit hypocritical by mysidia · · Score: 2

      Has a government no right to tax income?

      Governments have the right to lay reasonable taxes required to fund public goods agreed by the people.
      That doesn't mean they can force you to organize your affairs to maximize their taxation capabilities.
      Cryptocurrencies don't prevent taxation, anyways.

    3. Re:A bit hypocritical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No criminal wants competition against his enterprise.
      What IS money?
      I would think "money" is a medium of exchange, truly artificial and abstract in its valuation. Political /state currencies ("money") adds control to favor mainly a few. Gold value is also an abstraction, a semi-useless commodity mainly used for soring "value" in basements and vaults, where it sits useless, only to be pulled out for trading with other banks, in some cased pulled on card from one corner in a vault to another.
      "money" cannot be "saved" for the future on a large scale, suppose everyone saved extremely heavy, the economy would fail render the "money" worthless or so. "Money" supply has to managed to balance production with consumption.
      Inflation? Probably a secret "tax" feeding a few into opulence, forever.
      My two 0.000001 bitcoins

  2. In Soviet Russia by johnsie · · Score: 0

    In soviet Russia the cryptocurrency bans the bank. Oldskool banks need to mordernise or they will be left behind when newstarts do a better job and have better software.

  3. Smart move ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

    ... for the Russians.

    It's their playground and they know what works best for them.

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    1. Re:Smart move ... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      ... for the people who own the central banks.

      It's their playground and they know what works best for them.

      FTFY. The global banking cartel doesn't like competition.

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    2. Re:Smart move ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems like a stupid move.

      Sooner or later the petrodollar will end, and cryptocurrencies are not fucking going away.

      China and Russia are setting the US up for another century of dominance. Thanks, I guess?

    3. Re:Smart move ... by leretard · · Score: 0

      You're extremely mentally ill.

      First you have abstracted a multiethnic society into one entity without considering any of its constituent interests or how they interplay with your own in a globalized era, which is totally insane by itself.

      THEN you go on to blindly give your assent, not just reacting positively, but commending them as being intelligence, while having no conception of the goal or interests.

      You are fucking REtarded. Make sure you have a real adult supervising your choices, and god forbid you have any children, who you will no doubt sell to the first entity that "seems like it's making 'smart' moves".

    4. Re:Smart move ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      If you own the central banks, then you've got a dog in the fight.

      Otherwise, your opinion (and mine) diesn't matter at all.

      I don't live there.

      I live in a country that has a batshit crazy pussy grabber as a figurehead who can't go one goddam fucking day without contaminating the news cycle with 7 stories about random crap, so fuck Russia.

      Let 'em eat cake.

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    5. Re:Smart move ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ultra rich in both Russia and China store a good amount of their wealth in US backed financial instruments. Treasury Certificates and US Securities are the safest and most reliable investments in the world. If you had a billion dollars to save or put to work where would invest the majority of it?

    6. Re:Smart move ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      ... commending them as being intelligence ...

      I hate when I post without proofreading, too.

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    7. Re:Smart move ... by leretard · · Score: 0

      right so one grammatical error gives you an excuse to ignore everything

      brainless piece of shit

  4. You might want to rethink that by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The hit for the Russian economy could be devastating when the recipients of the crypto trojan money have to go abroad to collect.

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    1. Re: You might want to rethink that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, crypto currency will be deemed illegal and punishable by death.

    2. Re: You might want to rethink that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... if I email a bitcoin wallet to Vladimir Putin, will they execute him?

      I somehow doubt it.

  5. Pay to win. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So are they going to ban loot boxes aswell?

  6. dubious article by JeffSh · · Score: 0

    this article seems rather dubious itself. it doesn't quote the russian authority figure in saying what the title says, just him saying that bitcoin is dubious and russian households should be protected from the risk. it doesnt contain a quote that says russia is going to block exchanges.

    1. Re:dubious article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The VERY FIRST sentence of the summary AND TFA:

      Russia will block access to websites of exchanges that offer crypto-currencies such as Bitcoin, Russian Central Bank First Deputy Governor Sergei Shvetsov said on Tuesday.

    2. Re: dubious article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not a quote of what the official expressed. What you've given us is a quote from the /. summary, not a quote from the official. The quote from the official would contain the exact words he used, presumably in Russian, or whatever language(s) he was directly using.

    3. Re:dubious article by JeffSh · · Score: 1

      that's not a quote, that's a derivation. i want a literal quote, a literal translation, of a russian official with the authority to do so literally saying "We are going to block exchanges"

      this article does not have that.

    4. Re:dubious article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a fair point. He actually used the words "we are working on" and "we would like to". Later on Putin said that despite the clear risks we should not be creating excessive barriers.

  7. Aaaaaaand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing of value was lost. When is this bonsai scheme going to die? It shirley must be on its last limb by now.

    1. Re:Aaaaaaand by war4peace · · Score: 1

      What happened to shirley's other limbs?
      I assume shirley is a pet of sorts, or a doll, judging by "it" instead of "she".

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    2. Re: Aaaaaaand by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2

      It's Ponzi not banzai, and stop calling me Shirley.

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  8. HB:Bitcoin books. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Humble Bundle's latest book bundle is about crypto-currency.

    https://www.humblebundle.com/books/bitcoin-cryptocurrency-books

  9. yeah, right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    “We think that for our citizens, for businesses the usage of such crypto-currencies as an investment object carries unreasonably high risks,” he said.

    All they care about is protecting their citizens, how thoughtful.

  10. From TASS by TheSync · · Score: 2

    TASS article says "Russia's Central Bank welcomes imposing any restrictions on operations of external websites that offer cryptocurrency sales, the regulator's First Deputy Chairman Sergey Shvetsov said Tuesday."

    "We consider all cryptocurrency derivatives to be a negative development on the Russian market and do not consider it possible to support it, and will even assume measures to restrict potential operations with such instruments made by the regulated part of the Russian market. Meanwhile, we assume efforts aimed at closing external websites that allow Russian citizens to acquire such assets together with the General Prosecutor's Office," he said.

  11. Consumer protection, crime etc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    45% of bitcoin exchanges have thus far failed, taking people's money along with them (wired). Is this a sensible and valid way to keep money?

    And let's face it, Bitcoin is broadly used for criminal activities. No stat I could find, but we surely don't buy our daily groceries with bitcoin.

    Outrage machine, calm yourself down.

    1. Re:Consumer protection, crime etc by war4peace · · Score: 2

      45% of bitcoin exchanges have thus far failed, taking people's money along with them (wired)

      Because retards would store their wallets online, choosing convenience over security.

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    2. Re:Consumer protection, crime etc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's why bitcoin 101 is DO NOT LEAVE YOUR BITCOIN IN AN EXCHANGE.

      You do not have control over your private key in an exchange, bitcoin you have sitting in an exchange is all in just one or several large lump sum bitcoin addresses with IOUs in the exchange's system that they owe you that whenever you grow a brain and move the bitcoin out to a wallet you are in control of. Kinda how the fiat banking system works. If everyone made a run on the banks to pull out all the IOUs you have with the fiat banks, there would not be enough cash for everyone to withdraw. The only reason bitcoin should be on an exchange is if you are planning to make an immediate transaction on it to convert to/from fiat or other cryptocoins.

      Once your bitcoin is out of the exchange and in your own wallet whose private key you are in control of it doesn't matter what happens to the exchanges, they could all go belly up, you can still transact bitcoin without the exchanges. You just would not be able to convert to/from fiat without the exchanges.

      Also with your bitcoin in the exchanges, since the bitcoin is not sitting in your own private wallet address under control of your private key you loose out all all benefits that come from forks in the block chain. If you had your coin under your control back in early Aug you have free bitcoin cash coins sitting out there now, and there are two upcoming forks in the coming months which means more free coins to those that are in the game pre fork.

    3. Re:Consumer protection, crime etc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By that same stat, the USD is by far used for most criminal activities.

    4. Re:Consumer protection, crime etc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I should add on to that last post, that the exchanges do not operate like the fiat banks in that they are not holding a minimum reserve and lending out bitcoin to people, least none of the ones I have heard of are doing that.

      But your coin is still lumped in to a huge account with IOUs in the exchange's system. Most do not keep a separate "wallet" for each user's coin.

    5. Re:Consumer protection, crime etc by Interfacer · · Score: 0

      Exchanges are for exchanging. Not for storing. If you use an exchange for long term storage, you're an idiot.

    6. Re:Consumer protection, crime etc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you use Cryptocurrencies you are an idiot to begin with

    7. Re:Consumer protection, crime etc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're a fucking idiotic slave, stfu.

      only dumb fucking windows users like you keep their money on an exchange.

      your ass is used for criminal activities.

      i do buy my groceries with btc, bankster shill.

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  13. Bring it on by MrLogic17 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    A couple weeks back when China made a big fuss over crypto, BTC went on sale. The temporary price drop from FUD made a great time to buy.

    Then everyone took a moment to consider China's regulations (because, seriously, they aren't REALLY going to opt out of something that profitable). Nothing they did altered the fundamental objectives and demand for the coin. It's a global unregulated coin. One country can't do anything more than cause a blip of FUD.

    Since then, we've been back to all time highs.

    So, bring it on! I want to buy the dip again. Buy low, sell high boys and girls!

    1. Re:Bring it on by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      false, the USA is weighty enough to kill crypto currency if it wishes.

  14. huge bitcoin bubble right now, crashing soon by iggymanz · · Score: 3, Funny

    bitcoin is overvalued on hype, serious economists say crash of the non-currency (electronic poker chips) coming soon

    1. Re:huge bitcoin bubble right now, crashing soon by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      you're confused, the bubble is real and it will burst.

      of course, that's a time when smart people can then buy low.

      sorry the intricacies of having market smarts is beyond you

  15. Re:Laughing, fear, and soon governments collapse by tobiah · · Score: 0

    It does appear that blockchain technology will make banks and their governments branches obsolete. Hopefully this is followed by a Charles Eisenstein-style More Beautiful World of personal and mutual responsibility, rather than a Mad Max-style cage match.

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