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Google Will Hit 100 Percent Renewable Energy This Year (inverse.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Inverse: Google has announced that after 10 years a carbon-neutral company, it will be able to brag running on entirely renewable energy at the end of 2017. That means that all of the electricity the company consumes in both its data centers and offices are provided by wind and solar energy. Announced in Google's 2017 environmental report, Google says it has created "new energy purchasing models that others can follow" and that "we've helped drive wide-scale global adoption of clean energy." In addition to being an obvious PR boon, the company says its mission of full sustainability fits in with its larger mission. (It also makes the fact that as recently as 2015 Google alone reportedly consumed as much energy as the entire city of San Francisco in a year way more palatable.)

One step the company has recently taken in marrying its ethos of sustainability with its products is a new initiative to equip Google Street View vehicles with air quality sensors. In addition to its goal of being run by renewable energy, Google is also working on achieving zero waste to landfill. Nearly half of the company's 14 data centers have already reached this goal, according to Google executive Urs Holzle's 2017 Google Environmental report released on Tuesday.

130 comments

  1. Yeah.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah..what about un-recyclable non-repairable phones that you put out every six months..

    1. Re:Yeah.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fuck Google - the retarded child of a feminist and a mangina.

    2. Re:Yeah.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then again the google hate here on slashdot is something we have come to expect in first or second post positions over the years to say the least!

      If you have come to expect it, why do you keep replying to these people?

      Also its rather interesting that you leap to the defense of an advertising company whose primary goal is to spy on the users of its free services, and THEN have the gall of insinuating that people criticizing google always do so in bad faith. Seems like you're the shill here, pal.

  2. Just in time for the antitrust consent decree by HBI · · Score: 0, Troll

    No amount of virtue signaling is going to save them from that.

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    1. Re:Just in time for the antitrust consent decree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You stupid crackpots need to stop using meaningless words as replacements for thought.

    2. Re:Just in time for the antitrust consent decree by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Waaaaaah! Stop caring! Your investing large amounts of money in clean energy makes my coal rolling look bad!

      Actually there is probably a good economic reason for doing it. Renewables are now the cheapest form of electricity.

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    3. Re:Just in time for the antitrust consent decree by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Renewables are now the cheapest form of electricity.

      Let me lookee in Ontario. Hmm...that would be a nope. And it's only gotten worse in the last year since that article was published, and they've become more expensive.

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    4. Re:Just in time for the antitrust consent decree by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      In the UK renewables are now going subsidy free, the only source of electricity available that can do so. There is simply nothing cheaper, nothing else with zero subsidy.

      Maybe you should be asking why it's gone so badly wrong in Ontario when other places have benefited hugely. Also less important but still worth pointing out, I said "now" and your article is about things that started happening in 2003.

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    5. Re:Just in time for the antitrust consent decree by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should be asking why it's gone so badly wrong in Ontario when other places have benefited hugely. Also less important but still worth pointing out, I said "now" and your article is about things that started happening in 2003.

      Keep in mind that the only reason that it can go subsidy free in the UK is because you're an island with next to zero natural resources, or resources you want to exploit. On the otherhand, canada(like the US) has an over abundance of natural resources that are easy to exploit on top of things like rivers and natural valley's which make dam construction easy.

      Maybe you should ask why it's such a failure all over north america except in specific places. Oh, the green energy bit didn't happen until 2009. And there's the reason why it's a failure all over north america, because other forms of energy are vastly cheaper then windmills and solar panels.

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    6. Re:Just in time for the antitrust consent decree by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Next to zero natural resources? We had a massive coal industry that only closed because coal demand went down and cheap imports went up. There is still estimated to be ~100 years worth left in the ground. We also have gas from the North Sea and potentially via fracking. We were also one of the first to start using nuclear power, after the US screwed us over on the bomb and we had to build our own.

      We also have quite a bit of hydro power. Up north the wind resources are some of the best in the world, although it's actually solar farms with battery storage that are going subsidy free now. And we are in the north of Europe, supposedly terrible for solar, and yet...

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    7. Re: Just in time for the antitrust consent decree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US saved your fucking asses. Don't forget that. If it wasn't for us you'd still be rebuilding your fallen empire.

    8. Re: Just in time for the antitrust consent decree by MoaDweeb · · Score: 1

      I believe it was the Soviet Union that killed the vast majority of the Nazi's in WW2, not the USA.
      Also remember the UK did not benefit from the Marshall Plan as the rest of Western Europe did.
      However the States did clean up the Japanese Empire with some assistance from the Brits and others.

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    9. Re:Just in time for the antitrust consent decree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America is number one at this stuff.
      Ontario it is okay to be number two...

    10. Re:Just in time for the antitrust consent decree by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      ~100 years worth? That's massive? The town my sister lives in out in Alberta has enough coal around it for 600-800 years of current usage(US, Canada and China). That's one area of northern alberta not even close to the area of the oils sands(that's 500km away), or one of the dozen other mines in just Alberta alone. There's multiple mines in eastern canada that have more. That's not even counting one of the largest sour gas(bitter natural gas) concentrations in the world. Yeah, you've got next to zero natural resources, Canada has so much in terms of raw resources it's stupid. Hell we've got so many trees we're trying to get rid of from pine beetle destruction that multiple EU countries are bidding on contracts for exclusive clear-cutting and replanting to be used in wood-pellet power plants. Not to forget heavy water, Canada which holds upwards of 70% of the worlds supply.

      That's not even touching on stuff like nickle, iron, lime, radioactives, gold, platinum, diamonds, rare earths, and so on. If you can think of it, we've probably either got it in the ground or can make it. One of the few things we lack is aluminum(bauxite rather) You really have no idea how 'big' this country is or how much raw resources are available to pull out of the ground here.

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    11. Re:Just in time for the antitrust consent decree by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      ~100 years worth? That's massive?

      Mashiki, I know we rarely see eye-to-eye, but come on... Are you really saying that renewables are cheaper because there's "only" 100 years of coal left in the UK, not to mention the cheap imports that are what killed our local coal industry?

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  3. So - not 100% Renewable Energy then... by niftydude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google has announced that after 10 years a carbon-neutral company, it will be able to brag running on entirely renewable energy at the end of 2017. That means that all of the electricity the company consumes in both its data centers and offices are provided by wind and solar energy.

    So this doesn't include fuel for google street view cars, manufacturing processes for the Pixel phone, Google home and other hardware, etc.
    Google is nowhere near 100% renewable yet.
    Congrats to google on this particular milestone, but I am utterly sick of lying click-bait headlines.

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    1. Re:So - not 100% Renewable Energy then... by msauve · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "So this doesn't include fuel for google street view cars, manufacturing processes for the Pixel phone, Google home and other hardware, etc. Google is nowhere near 100% renewable yet."

      Are you doing better? Not that your claim has any valid logic behind it - just because they didn't specifically claim they'll soon be "renewable" in all areas doesn't mean they aren't headed that way.

      And, define "nowhere near." I'll submit that their data centers and offices are, by far, their largest energy consumers.

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    2. Re:So - not 100% Renewable Energy then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the headline is clickbait -- it doesn't mention "operations" as the qualifier from Google's own report. without that. it's click-bait.
      flame on.

    3. Re:So - not 100% Renewable Energy then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are at the bad-end of Dunning-Kruger.

      Are you doing better? Not that your claim has any valid logic behind it

      It does not take a master chef to realize the cafeteria is selling shit sandwiches. Ironic you point out "valid logic" after making such a claim.

      just because they didn't specifically claim they'll soon be "renewable" in all areas doesn't mean they aren't headed that way.

      The claim is that Google is 100% renewable now, not that they "[are] headed that way". Is the claim true or false?

      I'll submit that their data centers and offices are, by far, their largest energy consumers.

      So the previous claim is false.

      Now for the new one, citation and reasoning please.

    4. Re:So - not 100% Renewable Energy then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, I'm 100% renewable*

      *when using electricity at home.
      *renewable as in my electric supplier says they buy energy credits for my usage. Is it really difficult for a business to simply switch to the slightly higher electric plan to pay for credits? Why do they need roadmaps for that? Is business electric service that much different from residential service?

    5. Re:So - not 100% Renewable Energy then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fuck off you stupid russian troll

    6. Re:So - not 100% Renewable Energy then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fuck off you stupid russian troll

      That has as much sense as grammar.

      What makes freshman logic applied here trollish, russian, or stupid?

      I would genuinely like to know the reasoning.

    7. Re:So - not 100% Renewable Energy then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Were you the anti google/renewable troll who started this? No? Then what did your post prove? You never said anything other than you were carbon free for electricity. So? Google nearly is at work.

    8. Re:So - not 100% Renewable Energy then... by davide+marney · · Score: 4, Informative

      From the Report:

      "Most notably, in 2017 Google will reach 100 percent renewable energy for our global operations—including both our data c"enters and offices. That means that we will directly purchase enough wind and solar electricity annually to account for every unit of electricity we consume, globally. This shift in our energy strategy didn’t just significantly reduce our environmental impact. By pioneering new energy purchasing models that others can follow, we’ve helped drive widescale global adoption of clean energy."

      A better headline would have been, "Google will Repurpose Enough Renewable Power To Cover 100% of Its Non-Renewable Usage", but just trying running that one past the PR guy.

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    9. Re: So - not 100% Renewable Energy then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So what about say 5000 drivers commuting 2 hours each day with 100hp engines pushing ~75000 watts using gas...or 375 Megawatts total/hour...i wonder if this makes a difference to 100% renewable. Let's face it...this is pure PR spin...if you run it out and ask how much energy was used to make the aluminium cans that hold the sparkling water used on the Google campus then there would be that along with lots of other "non-renewables".

    10. Re:So - not 100% Renewable Energy then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The claim is that Google is 100% renewable now"

      Look, it's trying to think. How cute. Unfortunately, it thinks October 12 is New Year's eve.

    11. Re:So - not 100% Renewable Energy then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would be good if they could generate enough energy to make up the journey from their data centre to a site being rendered at the other end.

    12. Re:So - not 100% Renewable Energy then... by David_Hart · · Score: 1

      From the Report:

      "Most notably, in 2017 Google will reach 100 percent renewable energy for our global operations—including both our data c"enters and offices. That means that we will directly purchase enough wind and solar electricity annually to account for every unit of electricity we consume, globally. This shift in our energy strategy didn’t just significantly reduce our environmental impact. By pioneering new energy purchasing models that others can follow, we’ve helped drive widescale global adoption of clean energy."

      A better headline would have been, "Google will Repurpose Enough Renewable Power To Cover 100% of Its Non-Renewable Usage", but just trying running that one past the PR guy.

      How about: "Google Operations reaches 100% renewable energy usage through purchased offsets"

    13. Re: So - not 100% Renewable Energy then... by hankwang · · Score: 1

      A 100 hp car isn't using 100 hp all the time. Driving at constant speed is only 10% oof that.

    14. Re:So - not 100% Renewable Energy then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention no question on when they will become 100% "heat generation neutral" (not using fossil fuels is great... but how about all the heat that is put into the atmosphere from all the data centers, etc.? Entropy, amirite!?).

    15. Re:So - not 100% Renewable Energy then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quick! Move the goalposts! ...Your bias is showing.

  4. Danger Will Robinson by JimSadler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The EPA as well as other government agencies are gagged and can not point out health safety facts to anyone including the public. If a private company starts taking measurements and releasing the results I fear that the government will do them great harm. While California burns, Houston drowns and the virgin islands and Puerto Rico barely exist now the fact that global warming is creating these horrors is hardly mentioned. And in addition to big government squashing descent , we also have the oil, coal and gas industries who could be very dangerous to anyone reporting air quality issues, Look at what they did to Flint. The fact that people were being poisoned and suffering brain damage fro water full of lead meant nothing at all to local or federal agencies. Just why are we supposed to trust our government?

    1. Re:Danger Will Robinson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Global Warming cannot be linked as an exclusive factor contributing to these disasters. OTOH Human contributions cannot be excluded either. This leaves the PAINFULLY obvious conclusion unmentioned. The idiocy of human building patterns. Humans think on short term scale and are very poor at assessing long term risk for themselves for various reasons. Humans development have have exacerbated these issues exponentially more than emissions on a near term scale. Hurricanes and wildfires are part of the natural pattern of nature and humans constantly ignore this.

      Over the next century we will have more data, but even then the "Prophets" of climate prediction will still be guessing because the scale is beyond accurate simulation and there is money and power to be had.

    2. Re:Danger Will Robinson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody, other than the denier alarmists who strawman the hell out of reality from a desperate need to avoid reality's unfavourable bias against them, is saying that AGW is exclusively causing these events.

      So far the "prophets" of the denier industry have metaphorically committed sepuku with their "predictions" (read ass-pulls):

      http://skepticalscience.com/comparing-global-temperature-predictions.html

    3. Re:Danger Will Robinson by markdavis · · Score: 1

      >" The EPA as well as other government agencies are gagged and can not point out health safety facts to anyone including the public."

      Stop making it about the environment and it is STILL A WIN. Renewable energy is here to stay. And there are lots of reasons to use it that have nothing to do with feel-good environmentalism or greenhouse gas scariness.

      1) Energy independence. Perhaps the most important reason of all- it means less dependence on imports. And those imports are what fuel (pun intended) conflict, hate, war, trade imbalance, debt interest, and disasters with transport..

      2) Cost savings. Non-renewable energy will become more and more expensive over time, no matter what. So investing in renewable will, over time, save money.

      3) Redundancy. Making your own energy, in addition to connecting to the grid, means you have more than one source to keep you going. It means you have choice, which spurs competition and innovation. It means a more robust system that is harder for terrorists to disrupt or natural disasters to destroy or nations to sabotage.

      Those are just off the top of my head. If people were to focus on THOSE and not "saving the earth", we would do a lot better. Generally, businesses don't care about "saving the earth" they care about profit, growth, and continued operations. When big business jumps in the mix for the above reasons, then EVERYONE WINS.

    4. Re:Danger Will Robinson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >" The EPA as well as other government agencies are gagged and can not point out health safety facts to anyone including the public."

      Stop making it about the environment and it is STILL A WIN.

      Not really, people still hate it, the same way they're taught to hate vegetables and exercise.

      Renewable energy is here to stay. And there are lots of reasons to use it that have nothing to do with feel-good environmentalism or greenhouse gas scariness.

      And yet the conservative bloc remains resistant to them, and treats it as anathema.

      1) Energy independence. Perhaps the most important reason of all- it means less dependence on imports. And those imports are what fuel (pun intended) conflict, hate, war, trade imbalance, debt interest, and disasters with transport..

      That's not near as sexy as "Drill Baby Drill!" and you know it.

      2) Cost savings. Non-renewable energy will become more and more expensive over time, no matter what. So investing in renewable will, over time, save money.

      That doesn't appeal to the crowd that doesn't want to invest, it wants to cut, cut, cut the path to prosperity!

      3) Redundancy. Making your own energy, in addition to connecting to the grid, means you have more than one source to keep you going. It means you have choice, which spurs competition and innovation. It means a more robust system that is harder for terrorists to disrupt or natural disasters to destroy or nations to sabotage.

      Remember, this is the same crowd that can't handle the idea of preparation in advance of a disaster, and still complains about the school fire drills, even as they'd gladly call in a bomb threat to get out of some unwanted exam.

      Those are just off the top of my head. If people were to focus on THOSE and not "saving the earth", we would do a lot better. Generally, businesses don't care about "saving the earth" they care about profit, growth, and continued operations. When big business jumps in the mix for the above reasons, then EVERYONE WINS.

      Congratulations, you attended a seminar hosted by Josh Lyman over 15 years ago. Maybe 25.

      Result? Grr, arrgh, same old, same old. Sit Ubu Sit! Meow!

  5. Need others to follow by chromaexcursion · · Score: 2

    Google did this by trading. They generate energy one place, use it in another.
    Nothing wrong with that, but they're still dependent on other sources.

    The fact that they generate as much as they used proves some pro fossil energy anal-cranial-submersion to the point of suffocation proponents need to move on.

    To site the chairman of CSX, ‘Fossil Fuels Are Dead’ : https://www.huffingtonpost.com...

    1. Re:Need others to follow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The fear used to be that we would run out of fossil fuels. The new fear is that fossil fuel reserves are indefatigable. There are vast untapped reserves and more being discovered. Hydraulic fracking has unlocked many reverse once though unusable and renewed those though depleted.
      The biggest risk to coal and gasoline is natural gas. There will come a time very soon when solar become ubiquitous but the question becomes one of energy storage and PV panel disposal and recycling. As long as gas is so cheap as to be a underpriced unprofitable byproduct batteries will need to become very affordable to become competitive.

    2. Re:Need others to follow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's cite, not site, and CSX makes a shut ton of money moving alcohol that can't move by pipeline. This is a business ploy, nothing else.

    3. Re:Need others to follow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All those google cars going around in circles mapping the country. Is someone peddling ?

    4. Re:Need others to follow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh the irony.

    5. Re:Need others to follow by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Is someone peddling ?

      Yes. The salesmen, generally.

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    6. Re:Need others to follow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google did this by trading. They generate energy one place, use it in another.

      Oh, that's too bad. It significantly diminishes the accomplishment for me since it's impossible to tell how much of it is an accounting trick. I'm not a fan of this liberal idea, "well I did my part so I'm good." Either we're in this together or we're not. Every little part does _not_ count. If you believe global warming is a problem, the right path is a negotiated global solution which involves pressuring others and aligning incentives, not personal choices and bragging.

      I thought this meant the actual grids they were drawing from supplied enough energy 24/7 to power them plus everyone else who had signed up to virtue-signal. This would be more significant because they choose where to put data centers. It would support the idea that "cloud" is more environmental because it's easier to move bits than joules (transmission grid losses), because they can oversubscribe the VM hosts, and because their cooling is more efficient. If it's just an accounting trick, then that doesn't apply, or at least applies less and not in any way corresponding to this PR release.

    7. Re:Need others to follow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Batteries are stupid, there should be push into pumped Hydro storage. Water gets pushed uphill into holding tanks (abandoned mine sites are great for this) When energy is needed the water is allowed to flow downhill where it runs through a turbine as it goes. Australia has over 11,000 sites where pumped Hydro will work and only needs a fraction of that to power the entire country. The United States could easily deploy pumped hydro storage to meet its energy needs.

    8. Re:Need others to follow by Agripa · · Score: 1

      The fact that they generate as much as they used proves some pro fossil energy anal-cranial-submersion to the point of suffocation proponents need to move on.

      So Google did not rely on fossil fueled base load capacity acting as a free infinite storage? Well, that is a relief.

    9. Re: Need others to follow by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Yup, it's a financial accounting trick. They're still as dependent on the grid as everyone else.

      Not saying it's a bad thing - it does feed strong preference for renewables into the energy market. But it's not nearly so impressive a feat as the title suggests.

  6. Not just wind and solar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hydroelectric is renewable too.

  7. Re:Ignoring God's gift of coal is a sin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    FBAG Fight Back Against Goolag/Google (and fakebook, scamazon, microsoft, etc)

    Use ublock origin, ublock protector.

    - Install WebRTC Leak Prevent extension.

    - Install the Privacy Badger extension to block tracking cookies.

    Also consider using a hosts file like this:

    https://raw.githubusercontent....

    Block ads, block adwords, block AMP, block google ad services. Helps block the mechanisms Google uses to make money.

    DDG !g - On Duck Duck Go, you can search google using "!g" without giving them hits.

    DNS - Stop Google DNS Snooping: Note using 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 for DNS servers gives Google EVERYTHING so DONT use those. I run a local DNS and blacklist those IPs.

    PI-HOLE: Consider running PI-HOLE and use DNS for your whole house to protect and defend the TRUTH. https://pi-hole.net/

    Make sure your pi-hole uses norton DNS with DNSSEC enabled.

    BRAVE is a chrome based browser which puts advertisers in touch with you directly bypassing trash. Many of the same extensions work so you can ad them in just as you did in Chrome.

    Demonetize and take down the revenue streams for the bad companies.

    Time for Google to Go, because its so 1984 War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

  8. electricity of San Francisco by Hadlock · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just to clarify, while SF is pretty densely populated, it's barely 800,000 people, and average outside temperature is just 7 degrees below room temperature. Most often you need to open a window to keep your apartment or office building at room temperature. Given that heating and cooling make up the lion's share of most cities' power needs this makes SF a pretty easy target to hit. Cooking is another big consumer of electricity; something like 50%+ of homes and apartments are plumbed with natural gas for cooking. Only in the winter, and only on the coldest nights have I really ever needed to kick on the heat, and usually only for an hour or two because I left the windows open during the day.

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    1. Re:electricity of San Francisco by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Just to clarify, while SF is pretty densely populated, it's barely 800,000 people, and average outside temperature is just 7 degrees below room temperature.

      The average outside temperature in San Francisco is 57 degrees F. Do you really keep the rooms in your home at 64? I'll bet you don't.

      Most often you need to open a window to keep your apartment or office building at room temperature.

      "Room temperature" is actually a term defined by law as 68 degrees, three feet from the floor. Since the average temperature is 57 degrees, I'm guessing that "most often" you do not need to open a window to maintain room temperature unless you're living (or working) in a glass house.
        .

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    2. Re:electricity of San Francisco by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Just to clarify, while SF is pretty densely populated, it's barely 800,000 people, and average outside temperature is just 7 degrees below room temperature.

      SF consumes only half as much electricity per household as the national average. This is another reason why the no-growth policies of the "progressives" are harmful. If more people could move to SF, and other locations with pleasant climates, carbon emissions could fall significantly. SF rejects more than 95% of application for residential building permits, and few people even bother to apply.

    3. Re:electricity of San Francisco by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      If more people could move to SF, and other locations with pleasant climates, carbon emissions could fall significantly.

      So go to fucking Texas. We don't want you in California. I've only been a resident of the State of California for five weeks, and already I don't want anyone else coming here.

      SF rejects more than 95% of application for residential building permits, and few people even bother to apply.

      You can get a permit right now in Houston and build whatever kind of monstrosity you want.

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    4. Re:electricity of San Francisco by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      My personal experience living there, specifically north beach, fidi, tendernob, soma, it's about 63F during the day, which is where the bulk of the city's population is; inside temps are about 72F which is a term defined by Hadlock's law (lol are you really researching the legal definition? Texans would call 76 room temperature - get real dude) as room temperature and also defined by the temp that I don't want to put socks on to keep my toes cold (srsly, lol dude).
       
      Good job on googling "facts" though, thanks for the laugh.

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    5. Re:electricity of San Francisco by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      My personal experience living there

      You're bringing anecdotes to a data fight? You of all people should know better. The discussion was not about your "personal experience". It was about the average temperature in San Francisco. And we have that data right here:

      https://www.usclimatedata.com/...

      Texans would call 76 room temperature

      You know, you've come to the right place. Until moving to the California Central Coast five weeks ago, I lived in Houston, Texas. They do not call 76 room temperature there. Air conditioning in homes and offices is almost always set between 68 and 72. And yes, that's my "personal experience". People bring sweaters to work with them in Houston. Windows in new homes do not open.

      Good job on googling "facts" though, thanks for the laugh.

      Are you suggesting that usclimatedata has somehow been doctored just to make you look foolish? Why the scare quotes around "facts"? Do you believe it's fake news?

      .

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    6. Re:electricity of San Francisco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So go to fucking Texas. We don't want you in California. I've only been a resident of the State of California for five weeks, and already I don't want anyone else coming here.

      Constantly pro-immigration. Constantly criticizing anti-immigration policies by Trump...unless it's in PopeRatzo own back yard, then the message is "We don't want you in California."

      Not even anti-immigrant Republicans are so hateful. Usually they say come here legally or not at all.

    7. Re:electricity of San Francisco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Immigrants WANT to come in. YOU want to bitch and moan and complain. If immigrants only wanted to complain, he'd be telling them to piss off home too.

    8. Re:electricity of San Francisco by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      Welcome to california, fellow Texan, I'm 6th generation Texan; you should google "microclimates of san francisco" at some point, that may clarify somewhat why I am dismissing your average temperature statistic. When I was first dating in SF it wasn't uncommon to take an uber from one side of nob hill where it was sunny and 75 to north beach where it was 63 and raining with heavy fog. Unsurprisingly population tends to cluster around the more pleasant parts of the city.

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    9. Re:electricity of San Francisco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pointing out hypocrisy, especially when it harms humanity as a whole, is a valid complaint.

    10. Re:electricity of San Francisco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will never understand this, but I've noticed it as almost a constant. As somebody born in CA, I've noticed others who were born there move out and never want to go back to that shit hole of a state. People who move there from other places think it's the most amazing place on earth and never want to leave. I say this. You can have that shit hole. I never want to go back. Once moving out of it I discovered just how awful it is there. If you enjoy, good for you. It's a place you move to because I guess you enjoy living a life of inconvenience, others telling you how to live and charging you a premium for it, all while constantly being over crowded and surrounded by filthy everything. If that's your thing, then you can have it.

    11. Re: electricity of San Francisco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why donâ(TM)t you just find another country to live in? You sure arenâ(TM)t an asset to this one.

    12. Re:electricity of San Francisco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pointing out hypocrisy, especially when it harms humanity as a whole, is a valid complaint.

      False accusations of hypocrisy, that rely on a deliberate and willful misrepresentation, are the kind of invalid complaints that get you kicked out.

  9. Re: Trump will hit 100% impeached this year. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Will he share a cellblock with your hero Clinton?

  10. But... DIVERSITY!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely Google understands the advantages of diversity extend even to energy production.

    Apparently, those lefty-commy Googlers are just hateful cabonist bigots -- disgusting!

  11. Re: Trump will hit 100% impeached this year. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    God willing. It would be a fitting end for both.

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  12. traded not created by bigtreeman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When Google has wind/solar on every installation, actually creating the vast amounts of electricity their servers, etc consume, then I'll applaud.
    Ahhh, got it, they have created virtual electricity. It's over in fucking Norway.
    And they really think paying a power company extra will get renewables built ?
    Nuuu, they will suck that up in profits, and crow about how good they are, just like Google is.

    My workshop is fully solar powered and returns extra power to the grid, real electricity powering real machinery, right there.

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    1. Re:traded not created by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you are saying that renewable power companies don't work on the laws of supply and demand. I am told fossil fuel companies do.

    2. Re:traded not created by PoopJuggler · · Score: 2

      then I'll applaud.

      No you won't. People like you never applaud. You'll just find some other minutia to criticize.

    3. Re:traded not created by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      "If it's not perfect then fuck it, let's burn some coal."

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    4. Re:traded not created by coofercat · · Score: 1

      Google's UK operations are pretty small potatoes, but here they can choose from a few electricity companies that only sell 'green' electricity. Ecotricity are the biggest such provider, although I've personally switched to Bulb as they're more or less the same, but cheaper. Ecotricity are both retail and wholesale, and their wholesale part only builds 'green' power stations, and are paid for by profits from the retail part. What they can't generate themselves, they buy from elsewhere, so long as it's 'green' (but clearly, they can generate it themselves for less than they can buy it, so they're motivated to keep building power stations).

      These companies pick and choose how many KW/h they buy from which generators. Whilst some of the electrons in my house, or in Google's office may have originally come from a nuclear, coal or gas power station, the same number of electrons are going to some other premises that made no such attempt to buy 'green'. As such, the lazy drive I just did to the supermarket (which I could have walked to) was entirely performed by green electricity in my electric car. The electricity I just used 'displaced' the equivalent by non-green sources.

      I agree though, it's a bit tenuous to say "we generated X amount of electricity in the desert, but only used Y, so we have Z spare, which we 'traded' for some coal-power in Elbona". Whilst technically true, it doesn't exactly make Google seem any greener to the smog-infused people of Elbonia.

    5. Re:traded not created by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're contributing to the subsidies that wind and solar get.

    6. Re:traded not created by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Not really-- they build on the basis of subsidy and regulation. It is common for renewables to be double-booked in this way, once for the installed location and once for the energy offset credits.

      On-site renewables are better and provide actual offset. Credits just make you feel good.

      Economically, the credits do lower costs for installing renewables, but nobody is building based on the credits.

  13. Environmentalists make California burn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Unlike you I live in California and have studied our endless fire events.

    I will keep this VERY simple for you: California was designed by nature to regularly burn. It does not. Why? Because environmentalists prevent natural and human controlled sane things and instead inflicted truly nutso policies on the state.

    Cutting back overgrown forests? Forbidden.
    Clearing out the underbrush? Forbidden.
    Letting smaller naturally occurring fires clear out underbrush and dead trees? Forbidden. Small fires stomped put immediately.
    There are a few other similar policies created and enforced by moronic environmentalists whack jobs who don't want to understand the natural processes already in place by NATURE to prevent this huge fires but the above are the big ones.

    End result? A truly colossal amount of dry burnable fuel built up over several years waiting for the tiniest spark to set the whole fucking state on fire. Smaller fires that the trees would normally survive burn extra hot leading to larger trees making the fires grow even bigger instead of limiting them and so we get the huge conflagrations every few years inevitably followed up by the same ignorant environmentalist nut jobs saying it's all proof of global warming and we should all drive Priuses.

    This was the simple version for you. Idiot.

    I'm going to finish taping the windows to keep as much smoke as possible out before I go to bed and hope my friends who live even closer to your fire survive and their homes aren't ash in the morning.

    1. Re:Environmentalists make California burn by Scarred+Intellect · · Score: 1

      Being in Washington, I can attest that what AC says here is true, despite being a dick about it. We have a bit of the same problem, but not quite as bad. We've some more reasonable people in charge (this is changing, we're going the way of California slowly); we still burn every year, and once in a while, we get quite large ones (like last year, 3 fires merged into one) we don't get them as large as California.

      Of course global warming plays a role in increasing forest fires, but it is far from the only role. Forests, just like anything else, need periodic maintenance. That has to either come from nature (fires) or humans (logging, fires, etc.). If we perform better forest maintenance, we can then better mitigate fires and protect homes. If we don't...well, nature WILL win.

    2. Re:Environmentalists make California burn by avandesande · · Score: 1

      If you compare Ansel Adams photographs with how the places look now, they have become completely overgrown mostly due to fire suppression methods. These extra trees have a lot of down stream effects on the watershed.

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    3. Re: Environmentalists make California burn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No! A thousand times no!

      Home owners don't like their houses to fucking burn down!

      California needs controlled logging to thin out forests and controlled burns to clear underbrush build ups.

      Your SJW nonsense about no old growth trees because of my ancestors whom you know nothing about is ad hominem crap.

      What am I doing about it? Spreading the truth.

      What are YOU doing about it? Spreading lies.

      I'm sucking in smoke the last several days. What the hell do you know about it? Are you even in the US much less any area of California that burns? I note you failed to mention any personal experience or knowledge of such things. Just repeating your "humans, especially older white male humans, are bad" crap.

    4. Re:Environmentalists make California burn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but we aren't morons. Some of us even know that California isn't the 100% Liberal Dictatorship that the Right-wing AM Radio blasts out with stunning regularity.

      Your post indicates otherwise.

    5. Re:Environmentalists make California burn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but we aren't morons. Some of us even know that California isn't the 100% Liberal Dictatorship that the Right-wing AM Radio blasts out with stunning regularity.

      Your post indicates otherwise.

      I'm not even near California, thanks for noticing.

    6. Re: Environmentalists make California burn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No! A thousand times no!

      Cry it ten thousand times, it won't make it so.

      Repetition of madness only reveals your insanity, not your sense.

      Home owners don't like their houses to fucking burn down!

      Exactly the problem. Because they sure like having their houses in places they shouldn't.

      See also Florida, Louisiana, Texas, and elsewhere.

      California needs controlled logging to thin out forests and controlled burns to clear underbrush build ups.

      You won't get it, your property owners won't stand for it. They scream and get up in arms at the thought.

      Your SJW nonsense about no old growth trees because of my ancestors whom you know nothing about is ad hominem crap.

      Nope. The lumbering of California is well documented historical fact, you're just trying to avoid the issue by pretending to take offense at what your grandpappy did.

      Me, I know you Anonymous Coward, I have your DNA on record, and yes, he was the man who cut down the Mother of the Woods.

      What am I doing about it? Spreading the truth.

      What are YOU doing about it? Spreading lies.

      Sure man, you think you're spreading truth, while just recounting your empty stories that bear no relation to anything except the falsehoods that you receive through your dental fillings.

      I'm sucking in smoke the last several days. What the hell do you know about it? Are you even in the US much less any area of California that burns?

      I note you failed to mention any personal experience or knowledge of such things.

      Oh, you think that your "personal experience and knowledge" is somehow informative? To the contrary, people who cite such things are quite often more confused and mistaken, and the more they insist on their truth, the more likely they are promulgating lies.

      That's why you're only convincing me that you're wrong.

      Just repeating your "humans, especially older white male humans, are bad" crap.

      Ah, somebody feels upset that they're a bad person, and tries to make themselves the victim. Again.

      It's the bleating cry of your own persecution that makes you less believable, especially when somebody like Mike Ditka is going around saying he never saw any oppression in his life.

      I don't think you could do a better job of pulling things out of the playbook of imbecilic things that the right-wing nutjobs of the world preach unless you were the President himself.

      Reminds me of the guy I met today who couldn't figure out that I didn't have to watch CNN to realize Trump was a chump.

      I could read his own words.

      But he kept repeating it, and repeating it, because...oh wait, wait, he was indoctrinated to think of CNN as the enemy.

      He didn't want to do anything but recite his catechism about CNN. Never could explain to me why I would watch CNN, never could offer a responsive dialogue.

      Just the same blustering foolishness about "fake news" and "anti-Trump agenda" which he'd heard ad nauseum.

    7. Re:Environmentalists make California burn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you compare Ansel Adams photographs with how the places look now

      You see a lot less soot, and more areas where the green has grown back after being clear cut.

      Also a lot fewer signs of Acid Rain damage.

  14. Re:Ignoring God's gift of coal is a sin! by lucm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Google is definitely evil!

    I don't think Google is evil. I think they're simply unable as an organization to deal responsibly with their own power, like a retard who happens to hold a flamethrower.

    At this point pretty much anything they achieve is due to their immense wealth, not their expertise. There is no other way to explain how an online bookstore chain managed to invent and dominate cloud computing while Google had a copy of the entire internet in their immense data centers, and how a marketing company that pays engineers below market average managed to create a more robust and secure mobile operating system while Google had access to the contributions of the best open source developers in the world.

    Google needs a new CEO. Someone who would put the company back on track, get rid of the social agenda and put an end to the crooked deals. Someone like Mulally, who saved Ford and managed to put the company back on the map without feeding at the public trough (unlike GM and Chrysler). Or if it was even possible, Michael Dell, who gave the finger to Wall Street and took his company private so he could stop the short-term profit game and pivot Dell toward enterprise services instead of sticking with the dying consumer PC segment.

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  15. There is still an environmental cost. by swell · · Score: 0

    So when we say that Google consumes as much energy as a major city, we are talking about a lot of energy. Presumably most of that is going to data centers. And much of that seems to be serving our search and other needs as well as supporting the company with advertising income. Yes, some of that prodigious capability is accumulating our individual online history and no doubt it is constantly being massaged, updated and 'improved' for the benefit of their paying customers. A great deal of energy, and enough of it benefits us that we are willing to overlook the cost.

    A cost that hasn't been considered is that of heat. A city generates a great deal of heat, as does Google. Even 'free' renewable energy generates heat. Heat (and the necessary cooling of equipment, which creates more heat) is becoming a major concern. The manufacture of solar and wind energy collectors also creates heat as does the manufacture of computing devices. Improvements in engineering will make servers more efficient, less wasteful of energy, but the need for massively more computing power will continue to increase the heat generated by Google and all the others.

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  16. This is bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the report (pdf in the article):

    "Third, we buy carbon offsets for any remaining emissions we haven’t yet eliminated."

    Just another carbon credit scam. Nothing to see here.

  17. All energy use ends up 100% heat by raymorris · · Score: 2

    In fact, 100% of all energy used by anyone ends up as heat.
    All that solar and wind energy - it ends up being converted to heat. All of it.

    Okay, so if you use the energy to lift something up, it doesn't turn to heat until the thing comes back down.

    1. Re:All energy use ends up 100% heat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about if I use the energy to drive forward an endothermic reaction with stable products?

    2. Re:All energy use ends up 100% heat by swell · · Score: 1

      "In fact, 100% of all energy used by anyone ends up as heat."
      Brilliant deduction!

      Not sure what this has to do with the environmental cost in heat of Google's activities. Perhaps you are just asserting that you passed high school physics.

      Another heat generator is bitcoin and similar schemes. How much heat is generated by a single bitcoin today ... and tomorrow? If energy were free and we could recklessly consume all we want, how would that effect the environment?

      When the Klingons come to get us, they will be looking for the heat signature of a planet that has learned how to use energy, but has not yet learned to use it wisely.

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    3. Re:All energy use ends up 100% heat by raymorris · · Score: 1

      > Not sure what this has to do with the environmental cost in heat of Google's activities.

      Well if you're concerned about the environmental impact of generating heat (a reasonable concern), would it not be useful to be able to measure and compare the amount of heat generated? Rather than the obvious approach of measuring heat by temperature rise email etc, is it not simpler to remember that heat out = energy in?

  18. Re:where the outrage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Russia's paid trolls on this site have daily quotas for hatred of specific topics, so regardless of the story and regardless of the point, they post the same shit over and over again. All to further the Putin driven goal of dividing everyone else so Russia can kill everyone who isn't Russian, including in Crimea.

    Easily they are the real force behind the NK arms program, as the arms trade in old soviet designs with some updates is how NK makes money now. Where do you think that knowledge came from?

  19. Re:Ignoring God's gift of coal is a sin! by helga+the+viking · · Score: 2

    The word you're missing is share buybacks. As soon as that happens its a lighthouse announcing the CEO's dont give a toss about innovation or R&D: http://evonomics.com/ralph-nad...

  20. Spain is different by eminencja · · Score: 0

    Somehow a little carbon dioxide (that will be consumed by plants) bothers me less than ugly windmills on the hills of Andalucia.

    1. Re:Spain is different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are a retard

  21. Thanks to javascript! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The biggest factor will be shifting computing power to the browsers via client-side scripting!

    Let the stupid users cope with the CO2

  22. Re:Ignoring God's gift of coal is a sin! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    Right, I bet the shareholders are just lining up to demand that Google gets a new CEO after a disastrous 29% increase in profits last year. Clearly Google is dying and in need of a rockstar CEO to save them. I hear Melissa Mayer is available.

    https://www.reuters.com/articl...

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  23. Re:Ignoring God's gift of coal is a sin! by mentil · · Score: 2

    Putting someone who's not an engineer in charge of Google would be a great way to turn them into yet another IT consulting firm. An engineer with no background in IT wouldn't necessarily grok fundamental principles a la Mythical Man Month, or have the wisdom to avoid sinking money into the latest IT buzzword hype tech.

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  24. Re:Ignoring God's gift of coal is a sin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speaking of retards, have you looked in a mirror lately?

  25. Google is run by a different generation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No matter what I personally think of Google, this is something positive for the company to claim. However, in and around me there are a lot of people rejecting solar and wind energy programs. Kind of ironic though that technology is also requiring a lot of energy to run all those servers and PC's at Google.

  26. Re: Trump will hit 100% impeached this year. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clinton's announcement by the DNC gave us trump.

  27. No, it doesn't by olau · · Score: 5, Informative

    That means that all of the electricity the company consumes in both its data centers and offices are provided by wind and solar energy.

    It means that Google has purchased certificates and similar corresponding to their energy consumption. The data centers and offices are still running on power from coal and whatnot just like all their neighbours.

    Don't get me wrong, it's great that Google as a great resource hog is investing in renewables. But the above "explanation" is spreading misinformation. For the above to be true, Google would have to run everything in isolated as isolated islands. That would be a lot more expensive.

  28. Yeah, right by david.g.holt · · Score: 0

    How much did it cost to become (ahem) 100% renewable?

  29. Re:Ignoring God's gift of coal is a sin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your tinfoil hat, sir, you left it in your 1986 Ford F150.

  30. All renewable? Not really. by Chas · · Score: 1

    No. They're still getting power from other sources as well.

    They're simply paying an hefty offset to subsidize renewable sources.

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  31. "Renewable" is a term used loosely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you look at the amount of "renewable" energy sold versus the amount of "renewable" energy generated, it is clear that different definitions are used to arrive at each number.

    In the United States, most tariff rates for renewable energy include a clause that says the utility can provide you with conventional energy if they are unable to purchase sufficient "renewable" energy to supply to you. You still pay the higher rate, of course, but they can purchase cheaper energy to supply you.

    There is also no limit to the amount of "renewable" energy a utility can sell. They are not required to limit sales to what they are able to purchase, or even to what is generated in the entire country. They can sell as much as they want, under the clause that they can provide other forms of energy if sufficient renewable is not available.

    They do not have to inform you, either. This is just another example of how renewable energy is a scam, at least in the US. You could be paying 25c/kWh for what you think is renewable, when you're actually getting 8c coal-fired energy from Pennsylvania or Ohio. Your utility and its investors just smile all the way to the bank.

  32. Re:Ignoring God's gift of coal is a sin! by Zak3056 · · Score: 2

    I don't disagree with you, but by the same metric, Steve Ballmer was a fantastic CEO as well. The GP's post was pretty interesting and didn't deserve to be simply dismissed.

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  33. A different, stupider generation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are definitely right about that. This generation is population by a bunch of morons who can't do simple cost/benefit analysis, or a thorough and honest wall to wall environmental impact evaluation.

  34. Re:Ignoring God's gift of coal is a sin! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    So it wouldn't change much, then?

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  35. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Aren't accounting tricks wonderful?

    They also pay almost NO TAXES on what they show as ALMOST NO INCOME in the USA.

    1. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aren't accounting tricks wonderful?

      They also pay almost NO TAXES on what they show as ALMOST NO INCOME in the USA.

      Income =/= revenue =/= profit.

      At least get the terms right when you are criticising them.

      The biggest scam with businesses is that they only pay taxes on profit. Imagine if that were true for individuals -if we only payed taxes on what was left after our living expenses, as opposed to taxing our income (and most of our purchases.)

  36. I am dubious by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    This sounds a lot like corporate speak. I am sure they really have stretched the definition of carbon neutral to nearly its breaking point. How can you tell a marketing professional is lying? Their lips are moving.

    1. Re:I am dubious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For this statement to be true, it means they are also using renewables outside of the core operations, so the total of non-renewables is less than they use in the core operations.

      "we will directly purchase enough wind and solar electricity annually to account for every unit of electricity we consume, globally."

  37. Endothermic reactions have less stable products by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Endothermic reactions always result in products less stable than the reactants. That's why they are endothermic. That heat is being stored in bonds where it will later (potentially much later) be released in an exothermic reaction.

  38. Re:Ignoring God's gift of coal is a sin! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    Perhaps the "retard with a flamethrower" comment lowered my opinion of the GP's post.

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  39. Data Centers? I doubt it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Google can run its Data Centers on renewable energy, they have to be exponentially smaller than Amazon, Oracle or Microsoft. I can't imagine they are smaller.

  40. Contradicts earlier statements from Google in 2014 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Trying to combat climate change exclusively with today’s renewable energy technologies simply won’t work; we need a fundamentally different approach," wrote Google's Ross Koningstein and David Fork in a piece published yesterday in IEEE's Spectrum.

    https://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/renewables/what-it-would-really-take-to-reverse-climate-change

  41. Ethos of sustainability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haha - they stand out to me as a company that abandons stuff they start more than about anyone.

    And it's a lie. They rent office space all over the world in normal buildings. That won't change.

  42. They couldn't wait? by kenh · · Score: 1

    Google has announced that after 10 years a carbon-neutral company, it will be able to brag running on entirely renewable energy at the end of 2017.

    Why didn't Google wait until they actually were 100% powered by green energy? Now, after pre-announcing a future accomplishment, if/when it does happen it will not be as noteworthy. It's kind like when your friends tell you they are going to have a baby, and you congratulate them - only to find out all they meant was that she was going off contraceptives and they plan on having more purposeful sex in the immediate future...

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  43. Re: Ignoring God's gift of coal is a sin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why? Because you feel insulted by it? Stop being a fucking sissy for Christ sakes.

    Might as well Let the thought police start banning words they don't like.

  44. Re:All renewable? Not really. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not an offset; they're actually buying the electricity from renewables. From the release:
    "... we will directly purchase enough wind and solar electricity annually to account for every unit of electricity we consume, globally. "

  45. Re:Ignoring God's gift of coal is a sin! by lucm · · Score: 1

    Putting someone who's not an engineer in charge of Google would be a great way to turn them into yet another IT consulting firm. An engineer with no background in IT wouldn't necessarily grok fundamental principles a la Mythical Man Month, or have the wisdom to avoid sinking money into the latest IT buzzword hype tech.

    Stop kidding yourself with the techie CEO fantasy. There's been very skilled ones (like Bill Gates, who is the real deal and who did brutal code reviews while being a CEO) but there's also been ones with very shallow expertise, like Zuckerberg or Jobs, or no skills at all, like Jeff Bezos. Every success story is different.

    10 seconds of googling to find tech companies that didn't have a techie founder/CEO, besides Amazon:
    Pinterest
    Snapchat
    Groupon
    Alibaba

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    lucm, indeed.
  46. weak. by lucm · · Score: 1

    Speaking of retards, have you looked in a mirror lately?

    As a matter of fact I have. And do you know what I saw? The face of your mom while I was sodomizing her in your bathroom (which is the only option left since giving birth to a morbidly obese moron like you kinda ruined her cunt).

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    lucm, indeed.
  47. Re:Ignoring God's gift of coal is a sin! by drsquare · · Score: 1

    There's a difference between a non-techie who founds a company and one who comes along later.