Slashdot Mirror


8.5-Ton Chinese Space Station Will Crash To Earth In a Few Months (cnbc.com)

dryriver writes: China launched a space laboratory named Tiangong 1 into orbit in 2011. The space laboratory was supposed to become a symbol of China's ambitious bid to become a space superpower. After two years in space, Tiangong 1 started experiencing technical failure. Last year Chinese officials confirmed that the space laboratory had to be scrapped. The 8.5 ton heavy space laboratory has begun its descent towards Earth and is expected to crash back to Earth within the next few months.

Most of the laboratory is expected to burn up in earth's atmosphere, but experts believe that pieces as heavy as 100 kilograms (220 pounds) may survive re-entry and impact earth's surface. Nobody will be able to predict with any precision where those chunks of space laboratory will land on Earth until a few hours before re-entry occurs. The chance that anyone would be harmed by Tiangong-1's debris is considered unlikely.


When NASA's SkyLab fell to earth in 1979, an Australian town fined them $400 -- for littering.

104 comments

  1. Same thing happens to me by Jason1729 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The space laboratory was supposed to become a symbol of China's ambitious bid to become a space superpower. After two years in space, Tiangong 1 started experiencing technical failure. Last year Chinese officials confirmed that the space laboratory had to be scrapped.

    Every time I buy Chinese made tech, I start out with high hopes for it. Then 2 years later everything starts breaking and I have to give up and scrap it and buy something good.

    1. Re:Same thing happens to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
      2 years seems overly optimistic. When I moved into my new house, I replaced all of my old nasty mismatched kitchen appliances with shiny new matching versions. About 7 in all. Within the first year, and all at about the year mark, six had died. Found replacements on craigslist of copies that were probably built in the 50's and 60's, so no more matching kitchen.

      And yes, I know all about survivor bias, but I also remember my childhood very well, and the only dead appliance my mom had (inherited from her mother) was fixed with a new gear from Sears service center (special order).

    2. Re:Same thing happens to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're officially full of shit Jason1729. I wish I could say that in Mandarin, but I can't.

    3. Re: Same thing happens to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's "Ching Chong" you ignorant fuck.

    4. Re:Same thing happens to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to take a closer look at those good items that you buy. I bet most of them are either made in China or have parts that were made in China in them. It's pretty much impossible to get anything that isn't made at least partially in China.

    5. Re: Same thing happens to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have been told that not all that comes from China is crap. They produce some very high quality engineering, but some producers cater heavily to countries where price is king. Pick your poison.

    6. Re:Same thing happens to me by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 3, Funny

      In Mandarin that translates to
      (thanks to /. unicode support).

      --
      Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
    7. Re:Same thing happens to me by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Every time I buy Chinese made tech, I start out with high hopes for it. Then 2 years later everything starts breaking and I have to give up and scrap it and buy something good.

      Which is also made in China...

    8. Re:Same thing happens to me by Jason1729 · · Score: 1

      And so the cycle is complete.

  2. Very Accurate by AncalagonTotof · · Score: 0

    "Nobody will be able to predict with any precision where those chunks of space laboratory will land on Earth until a few hours before re-entry occurs."

    +

    "The chance that anyone would be harmed by Tiangong-1's debris is considered unlikely."

    =

    You're not allowed to assert this.
    If a 100 kg debris make it to someone's body, he's very likely to be harmed.
    But who am I to tell ? I not with NASA, nor a Chinese ... I may be a debris, let me check ...

    --
    Totof
    1. Re:Very Accurate by dmesg0 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The chances of the debris to hit anyone are low (the area with actual humans on it divided by total area of earth), that's why it's unlikely. If they do hit someone, the chances of harm are quite high, but again, that's unlikely to happen.

    2. Re:Very Accurate by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      Not really. The surface area of all the human beings on earth is microscopic compared to the surface area of the earth (land and water). That also makes for statistically insignificant chance of anyone getting hurt by this. It doesn't matter that the re-entry cannot be predicted.

    3. Re:Very Accurate by AncalagonTotof · · Score: 2

      I was poorly trying to refer to The Guide (the one which says "Don't panic").
      I can't quote, but think it says something like : the most improbable things have more chances to happen.

      But can you imagine me, a French guy, trying to make a joke on a mostly US site, using UK literature references ...

      --
      Totof
    4. Re:Very Accurate by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      but urban areas compared to the rest are so insignificant too?

    5. Re:Very Accurate by dmesg0 · · Score: 1

      It's very improbable for anyone to understand that reference without an infinite improbability drive.

    6. Re:Very Accurate by sconeu · · Score: 3, Funny

      Only if you're having a nice hot cup of tea.

      --
      General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
    7. Re: Very Accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      42.

    8. Re:Very Accurate by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      And imagine me, eating a poutine while typing a reply to your comment in english on a US website.

      Bleh. Some poutine sauce dropped on my shirt. No problem, I'll wipe it with my towel. Could be useful later.

      --
      #DeleteFacebook
    9. Re:Very Accurate by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      I think you mean a nice hot cup of a liquid that is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea.

      --
      #DeleteFacebook
    10. Re:Very Accurate by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      This. We are very small bullseyes on a very big target.

    11. Re:Very Accurate by mfnickster · · Score: 1

      What? I don't understand. Where's the tea?

      --
      "Slow down, Cowboy! It has been 3 years, 7 months and 26 days since you last successfully posted a comment."
    12. Re:Very Accurate by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      let's see, each human is about one square meter (2 x 0.5) of target area so 7.5E9 square meters of humans divided by 5.1E14 square meters of surface area = 0.0015% chance of someone getting hit which actually sounds rather high to me.

    13. Re:Very Accurate by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Not really. The surface area of all the human beings on earth is microscopic compared to the surface area of the earth (land and water). That also makes for statistically insignificant chance of anyone getting hurt by this. It doesn't matter that the re-entry cannot be predicted.

      I think it's a little worse than that. Humans spend a lot of time inside structures that are larger than themselves, and thus present bigger targets.

    14. Re: Very Accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1

    15. Re:Very Accurate by Wraithlyn · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think you'll find most people on Slashdot are familiar with Hitchhiker's Guide. But your reference need to contain an actual.... reference.

      "Ford," said Arthur, "there's an infinite number of monkeys at the door who'd like to discuss the probability of Tiangong-1 hitting someone..."

      --
      "Mind, as manifested by the capacity to make choices, is to some extent present in every electron." -Freeman Dyson
    16. Re: Very Accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1 in a million chances tend to happen 9 times out of 10.

    17. Re:Very Accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ~1% of Earth's surface is urban. Hitting anywhere in a city at all with a 100 kg object from orbit sounds a little frightening.

    18. Re: Very Accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The orbit probably precludes certain areas.

    19. Re:Very Accurate by thegarbz · · Score: 1, Informative

      let's see, each human is about one square meter (2 x 0.5) of target area so 7.5E9 square meters of humans divided by 5.1E14 square meters of surface area = 0.0015% chance of someone getting hit which actually sounds rather high to me.

      That's because you made assumptions that don't make sense. Firstly humans are not 1sqm of hitable area even if that meteor comes at us from the side, which it won't. It'll come at us at around about 45deg. So already you're off by a factor of 4.

      Then you're forgetting about stackable humans. In apartment complexes humans overlap further reducing their surface area compared to the earth's surface, that's to say nothing of purposeful overlapping such as having sex.

      Then you have all the humans who aren't actually hittable. I.e. no risk to me. I'm in the bottom floor of my apartment, and while I'm at work I'm actually in a bomb proof building.

      You have waaay oversimplified and over estimated the chance of being hit.

    20. Re:Very Accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. And even if you are outside you don't want a high speed object impacting 1m away from you - you would very likely be harmed.
      If you are in a car, chances are that if the car is hit anywhere it will cause an accident. If it hits in your driving path within 10m it'll cause an accident.

    21. Re:Very Accurate by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Anyway, you'll get a couple minutes notice to find shelter.

      --
      Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
    22. Re:Very Accurate by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      The probability is very low, but unfortunately the space station will fall exactly on the White House

      --
      Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
    23. Re: Very Accurate by umghhh · · Score: 1

      You mean it is 43?

    24. Re:Very Accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just don't want my son to die. I would kill myself if that happened. It would be traumatic and I wouldn't be able to cope.

      They're saying multiple 220lb objects are coming and don't know how many.

    25. Re: Very Accurate by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      -1

      --
      His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
    26. Re:Very Accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it'll crash into Donnie Darko's bedroom.

    27. Re:Very Accurate by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      ~1% of Earth's surface is urban. Hitting anywhere in a city at all with a 100 kg object from orbit sounds a little frightening.

      Make sure that, while running away from your 100kg object, you don't get creamed by all those 1 and 2 ton objects running around the streets of the city.

      --
      His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
    28. Re:Very Accurate by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      you don't know how to do order-of-magnitude calculations, is all.

      stackable in apartments mostly not an issue, thing could come through wall or window.

      humans ARE roughly 1 square meter

    29. Re:Very Accurate by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      At least it won't be a toilet seat resulting in instant reincarnation

    30. Re:Very Accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't quote, but think it says something like : the most improbable things have more chances to happen.

      “There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

      There is another theory which states that this has already happened.”

    31. Re: Very Accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the orbit preclude anything, it will be the polar regions. Few people there.

    32. Re:Very Accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if the falling objects are all toxic and fiery, a 1-meter radius is probably close enough to be a hit?

      But what about the other direction? If the object hits a nice, flammable building or industrial site, the secondary damage from the ensuing fire may affect many more people than were actually within the glide path of the object.

    33. Re:Very Accurate by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Not really. The surface area of all the human beings on earth is microscopic compared to the surface area of the earth (land and water). That also makes for statistically insignificant chance of anyone getting hurt by this. It doesn't matter that the re-entry cannot be predicted.

      Risk management is probability vs consequences. You have only considered the first of those.
      The precise trajectory may not be known now, but someone should at least be able to reduce the possibilities from 'all of earth' to 'a few states/countries' in order to work out the second.

    34. Re:Very Accurate by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      stackable in apartments mostly not an issue, thing could come through wall or window.

      At a 45 degree re-entry that would reduce my 95 sqm apartment to about 4sqm worth of exposed risk the rest protecting me by significant amounts of reinforced concrete.

      humans ARE roughly 1 square meter

      Only dead on from the side, which is not how satellites reenter.

    35. Re:Very Accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Came looking for this reference, thank you!

    36. Re:Very Accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The doctors say he has a 50/50 chance of surviving... but there's only a ten percent chance of that."

    37. Re:Very Accurate by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      1/3 of humans are lying down. 2/3 of humans approachable from any side of area (0.25 * 2) to (0.5 * 2)....1 square meter is the right number to use for order of magnitude calculation, not 0.5 square meter.

      your apartment structure irrelevant, not how most apartments in the world are.

  3. Dead like me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Meet Georgia Lass (who prefers to be called George). She is a young Seattle college dropout who is unhappy with life. She is always at odds with her mom, Joy. One day coming back from her temp job as a filing clerk, she is hit by the toilet seat of the re-entering Space Station Mir. Finding out she is now dead, she is recruited to become a grim reaper.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt03...

    1. Re:Dead like me? by InterGuru · · Score: 5, Funny

      "she is hit by the toilet seat of the re-entering Space Station"

      An ass toroid

    2. Re:Dead like me? by dwywit · · Score: 1

      Nice bit of editing on that opening episode:

      "she is hit by the toilet seat of the re-entering Space Station"

      Looks up, squints, "Ahh, shi.....BOOM

      --
      They sentenced me to twenty years of boredom
    3. Re:Dead like me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nice bit of editing on that opening episode:

      "she is hit by the toilet seat of the re-entering Space Station"

      Looks up, squints, "Ahh, shi.....BOOM

      According to the Wikipedia description of onboard facilities

      Toilet facilities and cooking equipment for the manned missions are provided by the docked Shenzhou spacecraft, rather than being integrated into the Tiangong module itself.

      so that's one re-entering object you don't have to worry about.

  4. Will probably crash into western Australia by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    Seems to be the favorite place to crash space stations.

    1. Re:Will probably crash into western Australia by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      Well, if movies have taught me anything, all that's out there are mutant gangs and dune-buggies anyway. It would be ashamed to lose all that S&M gear and shoulderpads though.

      --
      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    2. Re:Will probably crash into western Australia by tomhath · · Score: 2

      Everything in Australia is the most dangerous in the world. Even things that are not in the world at the moment.

    3. Re:Will probably crash into western Australia by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Wasteland gangs always find a use for a spaceship, don't you read any science fiction?!

    4. Re:Will probably crash into western Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SHADO ( UFO scifi) and moonbase will send in re-positioners in - to ensure re-entry is over North Korea

    5. Re:Will probably crash into western Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But occasionally a piece lands in Spain and you get a bunch of weird mutants there as well.

    6. Re:Will probably crash into western Australia by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      No, they will never find enough silver jump suits, nehru jackets and purple wigs in time.

  5. Beware falling toilet seats by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Those things will get you a post-it note for sure.

    --
    SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    1. Re:Beware falling toilet seats by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      You might want to update your signature. So far one is a science genus and the other is the capable, focused captain who is willing to do what it takes to win the war.

      There have been three non white females. One was a good captain but killed by Klingons, one was an idiot killed by a wild animal and the third is pretty much the worst criminal in the Federation who is blamed for the war.

      Maybe you confused it with the Orville, where all the white males are actually incompetent idiots (some of the time).

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    2. Re:Beware falling toilet seats by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Nice. I thought I was the only one who remembered Dead Like Me

      --
      General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
    3. Re:Beware falling toilet seats by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 0

      The one straight white male in new Star Trek will be portrayed as evil or incompetent.

      You might want to update your signature.

      Actually, to enhance the diversity of the cast, I heard the one straight white male will be played by a gay minority female. Sounds interesting (but not enough to sign up for CBS All Access).

      --
      It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
  6. "The chance is considered" SMALL not "unlikely" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "The chance that anyone would be harmed by Tiangong-1's debris is considered" SMALL, not "unlikely"

    OR

    "It is considered unlikely that anyone would be harmed by Tiangong-1's debris."

    SLASHDOT EDITORS, EDIT !
    FFS.

  7. Hopefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The junk will come down on a golf course in New Jersey during the middle of the workday.

    1. Re:Hopefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Humanity would be better served if it landed on the US Capital building during a joint session of Congress. The US can survive a bad President who serves a relatively short time in office but Congress is littered with morons who have been in office for 15+ years. All the people spending all their time attacking the President are going after the wrong target. The change these protesters argue for will never be met because the President cannot actually dictate the changes the protesters are demanding. And both Democrats and Republicans are pulling out all the stops to make sure the focus stays on the President instead of them. And Trump has made some game changing decisions of late that will eventually put everyone's attention on Congress. He nullified the DACA program which was in acted using an executive order instead of a bill passed in the legislature. He annulled the executive order and through the decision to Congress. He just made the entire Iranian nuclear deal Congresses problem. In other words neither political party can blame Trump for the way these items are handled. Historically the President has only been the front man for their perspective political parties. Congress will need to stop wasting time on endless investigations and fulfill their actual job duties. Even the press is going to need to re-evaluate their constant attacks on the President over these tow high profile issues and change their focus.

  8. MADE IN CHINA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haha!

    No, no. SOME made in china stuff is good. Almost as good as German stuff. But very, very, very, very, very-very-very, few things.

    1. Re:MADE IN CHINA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You show the common misconception shared by most Western cheapskates. If you want a quality Microscope, or Optical Grating, or Diesel Generator, Chinese Industry will be glad to provide it, and at a discount compared to say Leica or Siemens. But not a big discount.
      The flood of cheap Chinese crap in the West is due solely to Western business interests, who are too busy undercutting each other to pay any attention to Quality Control. This situation is not new. Japan was once know for cheap shoddy Cameras that supposedly ripped off German Camera designs. Just where is Rollei these days? (And yes, I still want a Rolleiflex.) The same goes for Japanese TV sets. Admiral and Zenith are long gone; Sony isn't doing too badly. The early Sony TVs were garbage; the circuitry was so flimsy that they melted wax over the parts to hold them together.
      I bought two things recently that the Chinese made, and are of fine quality; a portable Icemaker, and a Digital Microscope. I can't compare the quality to Western equivalents, because there are no Western equivalents. The Chinese make tabletop Washers, Dryers, Dishwashers, and Refrigerators, perfect for somebody like me that don't have to wash or feed a five person household. They are creating Markets that simply don't currently exist in the West.
      Yet, I don't like the Chinese Political systems that makes this possible. I just don't like Oligarchs, whether they are Chinese, Russian, or currently occupy 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. It appears that Marx may have been right here after all, Capitalism and Democracy are incompatible. The Chinese don't allow Unions, a legislated 40 hour Workweek, or bans on Child Labor... an attitude quite in accords openly and publicly with that of the current Occupant of 1600.
      It's just possible that in 20 years or so, after the Chinese discover that cutthroat undercutting is not good for business, that a few Chinese Conglomerates stand for Quality in the West, at a fair price. Things like this have happened before. Remember that the French were once considered the most prolific and best Camera makers in the World... until Kodak came along.

    2. Re:MADE IN CHINA by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

      > No, no. SOME made in china stuff is good. Almost as good as German stuff.

      German rockets fell out of the sky, too. just ask any 75 or 80 year-olds who lived in London in the early 1940's.

      --

      I'm not repeating myself
      I'm an X window user; I'm an ex-Windows user
    3. Re:MADE IN CHINA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pardon, that was a feature, not a bug.
      Our sincere apologies, though.

    4. Re:MADE IN CHINA by umghhh · · Score: 1

      Right now however the Germans engineer not only fail to cheat properly (VW scandal) but cannot even build highways properly: one highway bridge being built failed during rain last year, 100m of two lanes in a highway up the north just disappeared few days ago, the bridges on Rhine are so broken that some you can drive only 30km/h and no trucks above 3.5T are allowed, tunnels built for subway in Cologne few years ago or under the major European railway link few months ago failed miserably because of theft and engineering incompetence etc. The list is long but the top one I think is the airport for the city of Berlin (for less educated ones this is a capitol) - will probably never open(due to technical failures (but the subway trains are going trough the tunnels underneath so that it does not rot too much). Instead we have heavily armed police units on display in most of the railway stations in the country these days - who says there is no improvement at least in some areas...

    5. Re: MADE IN CHINA by crankyspice · · Score: 1

      Mid-1940s. The first V-1s were launched at England after D-Day (summer 1944). The V-2s started launching in September.

      --
      geek. lawyer.
    6. Re:MADE IN CHINA by mcswell · · Score: 1

      Doc Brown, examining failed circuit: "No wonder this failed, it says 'made in Japan'." Marty: "All the best stuff is made in Japan." https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    7. Re:MADE IN CHINA by Whibla · · Score: 2

      Pardon, that was a feature, not a bug.

      No, they were definitely Doodle Bugs.

  9. The occupants are named: by bobbied · · Score: 0

    Sum-Tim Wong

    Weteu lue

    Frye Wedie....

    --
    "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
  10. Too bad it's a once in a lifetime event by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    I'm sure I'll feel like having the Chinese Space Station crash again an hour later.

    --
    It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
    1. Re:Too bad it's a once in a lifetime event by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I seem to recall somebody making a home computer video game about Skylab falling back to earth back when that event was a thing... allowing those that wanted to play the game to experience a facsimile of the real event as many times as they want (and always landing someplace different).

  11. Taco Bell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will Taco Bell put a floating target in the ocean again?

  12. But We Can Predict Eclipses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is it that we can predict eclipses down to the minute, years in advance, but we cannot predict where this hunk of junk is going to land? Is China still using thrusters on it to intentionally keep it afloat a while longer?

    1. Re:But We Can Predict Eclipses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because chaos theory.

    2. Re:But We Can Predict Eclipses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is Atmospheric drag. Admittedly there isn't much Atmosphere up there, but there is enough. Where there is Atmosphere, there is weather. The Atmospheric density, the "Barometric Pressure", up there changes constantly over quite a wide range on an hourly basis. There actually are those who specialize in making Space Weather predictions, with results even more unpredictable than for Weather at Sea Level. If the drag was constant, the descent would be more predictable.
      The orbit cannot be controlled; officially China lost contact with it some 18 months ago, but how much actual control they had before then is subject to speculation. The original intent was to deliberately de-orbit it in late 2013 or so.

    3. Re:But We Can Predict Eclipses? by mcswell · · Score: 1

      I believe there's also an effect from the solar "wind." Even though it's minuscule in terms of mass, over time it has an effect on satellites in Earth orbit--apparently it's an indirect effect, caused by the interaction of the particles in the wind with the upper atmosphere: http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/impac.... And of course solar storms are (so far) unpredictable more than a few hours in advance.

    4. Re: But We Can Predict Eclipses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When it comes back to earth depends on the amount of drag it experiences. The amount of drag on the spacecraft depends on the density of the air molecules at that altitude, which varies unpredictably with solar changes. The amount of drag varies according to the attitude of the spacecraft, and if they've lost control of it, they don't know what that attitude is, and it may be tumbling. All of this means it is impossible to predict with any certainty in advance when and where it will come down.

  13. Did they try... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... turning it off and on again?

  14. I promise one billion dollars! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To the first person to deliver to me a confirmed piece of this alleged space station.

    I'llbe on Slashdot, just send me a message when it hits.

    1. Re:I promise one billion dollars! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump, go back to twitter.
      Its not like you will do anything with it either.

  15. Why would we like to put down China? by hackingbear · · Score: 1

    The space laboratory was supposed to become a symbol of China's ambitious bid to become a space superpower. After two years in space, Tiangong 1 started experiencing technical failure.

    It seems another case that we would like to find any opportunity to derogate China, even when it is clearly a case of technical and quality achievement?

    Wikipedia entry on this space station: Tiangong-1 was initially projected to be deorbited in 2013,[11] to be replaced over the following decade by the larger Tiangong-2 and Tiangong-3 modules,[12] but as of June 2016 it was still aloft, though in a decaying orbit.

    1. Re:Why would we like to put down China? by dwywit · · Score: 1

      It was a hell of an achievement to get it up there and working as long as it did, but it experienced failure before its projected end-of-mission - that kind of puts a limit on the "quality" score.

      If you want to talk technical and quality achievement, look at Spirit and Opportunity, Voyager, Cassini, and so on.

      --
      They sentenced me to twenty years of boredom
    2. Re: Why would we like to put down China? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to focus on the positives in he current wiki, not the delays from its originally projected launch date which slipped almost two years.

      You ignore that it was a test to determine the longevity of components. Months before official total failure they said they were done testing since it lasted longer than the two years expected... But ignore that it was in sleep mode and they dont have a replacement scheduled until.. 2023.

      Besides why would they stop collecting data if it still worked? That's not how mtbf is done on earth, much less after the price of orbital launch.

      Hopefully it doesn't hit a plane on the way down, nor an itchy trigger fingered nuke wielder.

    3. Re: Why would we like to put down China? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't take it personally, In fact the U.S. Needs China. when the Chinese get close to putting a man on the moon, NASA will finally get the political focus and MONEY it needs.

    4. Re:Why would we like to put down China? by hackingbear · · Score: 1

      You are spreading misinformation. Read the wikipedia entry, the station has two extended years of service than it was designed to be.

    5. Re: Why would we like to put down China? by hackingbear · · Score: 1

      its originally projected launch date which slipped almost two years.

      Tiangong-1 was delivered on time but the launch was delayed by 3 months because the need to double check its Long March 2F rocket after a Long March 2C failed. Sure, you can nail against that (though the Long March rockets had and still have one of the highest success rate in the world) but it is not much the fault of the Tiangong-1.

      Tiangong-2 was delayed by 2 years (*). That could be for any number of technical or non-technical reasons. How does that imply Tiangong-1 being a failure?

      (*) the planned Tiangong-3 mission was merged with Tiangong-2, potentially saving lots of total development time and money.

      You ignore that it was a test to determine the longevity of components.

      When did careful testing become evidence of failures?

      Months before official total failure they said they were done testing since it lasted longer than the two years expected... But ignore that it was in sleep mode and they dont have a replacement scheduled until.. 2023. Besides why would they stop collecting data if it still worked?

      More bullshit. Read the wikipedia entry again. When did "stop working after 2 years of extended life" equal to failure?

      Tiangong-1's follow up is Tiangong-2 which has been launched successfully. The full space station has been planned for 2020-2023 completion. Again why does it imply Tiangong-1 failure? You are implying the Apollo 11 mission being a failure since the US still can't send another man to the moon by 2017.

    6. Re:Why would we like to put down China? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because we hate the chinese and the indians, that's why. We were supposed to be important, wealthy people by now. They told us so. We nerds would become the bosses of those who had made our life hell through school. We suffered, waiting for the day of our revenge. But that day never came and those we were supposed to be our underlings became corporate masters. We're back at the lowest rung of the ladder. And that because our job can be done cheap by those subhumans. We hate them.

  16. Will they have an appropriate ... by Tjp($)pjT · · Score: 1

    Will they have an appropriate WTO compliant export license? But seriously, why don't the send up a module that can steer it back to a known safe reentry.

    --
    - Tjp

    I am in wallow with my inner money grubbing capitalistic pig. ... Oink!

    1. Re:Will they have an appropriate ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because it's rocket science...

  17. Orbital inclination = I'm safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Inclination of orbit = 42.8 degrees limits the potential area quite a bit. Personally I live far enough north to say "naah, can't be hit by that here. Chances = 0 for me".

    Will break out popcorn when it does re-enter to see who (if any) are the lucky winners of having their neighborhood re-decorated with Chinese space hardware bits.

    1. Re:Orbital inclination = I'm safe by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      "Will break out popcorn when it does re-enter to see who (if any) are the lucky winners of having their neighborhood re-decorated with Chinese space hardware bits."

      No problem, the likely winners just toss another Tiandong on the barbie.

      --
      His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
  18. Lottery winner dies suddenly... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    How to tell when it's really not your day.

    --
    I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
  19. might fall on Pyongyang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    C'mon china world is waiting 4 you to clean up your mess.

  20. Insurance. by Whibla · · Score: 1

    I hope everyone's insurance is up to date...

  21. Learn some orbital mechanics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The space laboratory started its descent the moment the booster that put it into orbit stopped firing. Not when china decided it had to be scrapped.

  22. Made In China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's what happens when you use Chinese capacitor's, just ask Dell. LOL!

  23. Yeah, yeah, the US did thta first...Skylab by whitroth · · Score: 1

    We let ours, the first, crash first. In the late seventies. And it weighed 80 tons.

    *Hmph* We're the US, we make bigger booms....