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Astronomers Strike Gravitational Gold In Colliding Neutron Stars (npr.org)

For the first time, scientists have caught two neutron stars in the act of colliding, revealing that these strange smash-ups are the source of heavy elements such as gold and platinum. From a report: The discovery, announced today at a news conference and in scientific reports written by some 3,500 researchers, solves a long-standing mystery about the origin of these heavy elements -- which are found in everything from wedding rings to cellphones to nuclear weapons. It's also a dramatic demonstration of how astrophysics is being transformed by humanity's newfound ability to detect gravitational waves, ripples in the fabric of space-time that are created when massive objects spin around each other and finally collide. "It's so beautiful. It's so beautiful it makes me want to cry. It's the fulfillment of dozens, hundreds, thousands of people's efforts, but it's also the fulfillment of an idea suddenly becoming real," says Peter Saulson of Syracuse University, who has spent more than three decades working on the detection of gravitational waves. Albert Einstein predicted the existence of these ripples more than a century ago, but scientists didn't manage to detect them until 2015. Until now, they'd made only four such detections, and each time the distortions in space-time were caused by the collision of two black holes. That bizarre phenomenon, however, can't normally be seen by telescopes that look for light. Neutron stars, by contrast, spew out visible cosmic fireworks when they come together. These incredibly dense stars are as small as cities like New York and yet have more mass than our sun. Further reading: 'A New Rosetta Stone for Astronomy' (The Atlantic), and Gravitational Wave Astronomers Hit Mother Lode (Scientific American).

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  1. It's like Louis Pasteur said: by hey! · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Chance favors the prepared mind."

    This is an example of that at it's purest, the culmination of years of effort by hundreds of people, all for a moment that might not have happened in their lifetimes.

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    1. Re:It's like Louis Pasteur said: by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because if all the basic research ever funded by governments had been funneled into disaster relief, well boy, we'd sure be better off today...

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    2. Re:It's like Louis Pasteur said: by hey! · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'd argue that the thing that really separates our society from all other advanced civilizations in the past is our unique mastery of chemistry. The Romans were extremely good at engineering, and over the course of a thousand years developed some excellent recipes for materials like steel and concrete; but they had no idea what they were doing on a fundamental level; they were stumbling along blindly through stubborn trial and error.

      The significance of chemistry is often overlooked by geeks; physics, math and computer science have more geek cachet. But if you look around, nothing shapes our world more. And the thing is, chemistry only became chemistry when it turned away from the practical concern of creating gold to the impractical one of understanding the universe.

      If, like many people, you need an analogy to understand this, think of science as like going to the gym. The things you do in the gym are pointless; what gets you through them initially is the useful strength you hope to take away from the gym. But that never sustains anyone for long. The people who obtain the benefits of the gym are the ones who end up doing it for its own sake.

      A society that does not pursue science for its own sake is inherently weak. It could not respond to a challenge like Puerto Rico if it wanted to. And it certainly has no power to withstand a more advanced society.

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    3. Re:It's like Louis Pasteur said: by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      chemistry only became chemistry when it turned away from the practical concern of creating gold to the impractical one of understanding the universe.

      Brewers, cheese makers, ham curers, cloth dyers and brewers might disagree with that.

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    4. Re:It's like Louis Pasteur said: by WrongMonkey · · Score: 2

      Brewers, cheese makers, & ham curers were much like the Roman concrete makers and metallurgists: they found what worked through trial and error without understanding why some things worked but others did not. Dye makers are a different case. Inventing new dyes was a major business in the 19th century, but this came after the fundamental chemistry breakthrough of molecular structure elucidation.

    5. Re:It's like Louis Pasteur said: by hey! · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Don't forget the key role chemistry played in developing electrical technologies.

      Both Faraday and Volta were chemists; Faraday started his career as an assistant in Humphrey Davies' lab, where he discovered benzene and explored the synthesis of chlorine compounds. His electromagnetism work stemmed from experiments with constructing voltaic piles (electric batteries), devices which had no practical application yet. Absent the idle curiosity inspired by making severed frog legs twitch or transforming water into volatile gasses, nobody would ever have gained the understanding electricity and magnetism they needed to develop electric motors and generators.

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    6. Re:It's like Louis Pasteur said: by hoover · · Score: 2

      One of my favourite Feynman quotes fits nicely: "Physics is like sex: it sometimes produces practical results, but that's not why we do it."

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    7. Re: It's like Louis Pasteur said: by N3wsByt3 · · Score: 2

      Since 'things' lack a way to physically force you into anything, being a slave to your own things is ultimately the choice of the individual. Not so with other people, who CAN force you against your will.

      And even of weak-willed people, most would still prefer to be a slave of their own things, than to slave for another (or their things). I would agree that, given those two options, me too, would rather prefer the first instead of the latter.

      And so would you.

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    8. Re:It's like Louis Pasteur said: by N3wsByt3 · · Score: 2

      Indeed!

      Just imagine all the research-money that went in the development of antibiotics would have spend on emergency aid when a disaster took place, we would have saved thgousands more!

      Yes, it would also mean millions more would have died from diseases, but let's not use ratio and logic to make a statement. The parent poster sure didn't.

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  2. Created a black hole? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can't seem to find the result of the collision in any of the articles. Did they merge to form a black hole or a larger neutron star?

    1. Re:Created a black hole? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      This came up in the press conference, and at present they can't say either way. The merger product could be among the most massive neutron stars or lightest black holes.

    2. Re:Created a black hole? by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      A neutron star doesn't radiate in the visible spectrum either, and whether the remnant of this collision is a black hole or neutron star, there's going to be a shitload of gamma rays and x rays given off.

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    3. Re:Created a black hole? by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 2

      If there is visible light we can be certain that it wasn't a black hole that was formed. Most likely either a complete detonation or a larger neutron star.

      The visible light doesn't come from the remnant, it comes from the glowing cloud of vapor that's the ejecta from the collision.

      Actually, black holes are some of the most brightly visible objects in the universe: quasars. You don't see the black hole itself, but the accretion disk of all the stuff being heated into incandescence in the process of being swallowed radiates spectacularly.

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  3. Re:Is anything sadder than the fake tears of a mor by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I love reading net kooks. So fundamentally ignorant, and yet so absolutely certain of their genius.

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  4. Re:Thought this might be the big ESO announcment by WrongMonkey · · Score: 2

    It unusual for a scientific establishment to use wording like that.

    LOL. Every scientific announcement uses that exactly that kind of wording. BTW, here's the press release in question:https://www.eso.org/public/announcements/ann17075/

  5. ether, if it exists, is completely unobservable by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Informative

    You're right that if Einstein hadn't come up with it, special relativity could have been derived from the mathematical insights provided by Hendrik Lorentz and Henri Poincaré, but they hadn't yet quite put it all together into the single elegant package Einstein did.

    You're off target about pretty much everything else, though. The Michelson-Morley experiment was only the first of many, many experiments that validate special relativity-- with today's measurement technologies that can measure the speed of light directly, there is no need to go to all the trouble Michelson and Morley did to do interferometry. There isn't any way to incorporate ether into today's extensive array of experimental results other than "luminiferous ether, if it exists, is completely unobservable."

    Most optical gyroscopes use fibers these days, and don't deal with the speed of light in vacuum at all, although you can do it with ring laser gyroscopes... which obey special relativity.

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  6. S process by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 2

    I learned quite a bit about nucleosynthesis, but haven't revisited it in decades.

    There are three main processes for synthesizing heavy elements. In the s-process (slow), neutrons are absorbed by heavy nuclei slowly enough that the nucleus has time to beta decay, if it is too neutron rich to be stable. The s-process happens in red giant stars, and the products can be released by stellar winds and planetary nebula formation.

    In the r-process (rapid), neutrons are added very quickly to heavy nuclei, which absorb as many neutrons as they can and then, once the neutron bombardment ceases, beta decay back to stability. I don't recall whether we knew where the r-process happened when I was studying this, but this result would be r-process.

    In the p-process (proton), nuclei grow by having protons added one at a time. This is presumed to happen in supernovae, and p-process nuclei are rare.

    Isotopes coming from the s process will have abundances inversely proportional to their neutron cross section, because that cross section determines how quickly they move on. Also, while many isotopes can be produced by several of these processes, some can only be produced by one. My understanding is that these methods indicate that the s process is the predominant source of heavy elements. However this table (pointed out by other /. posters) contradicts my understanding, so possibly my knowledge has become outdated.

    Can someone with more recent knowledge comment on how these new results can be reconciled with isotope abundances?

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  7. Not wrong, just unobservable by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 2

    Did you just Google all this shit an Wikipedia and jot down your failed interpretation?

    No, actually I did it the hard way, by earning a Ph.D. in physics.

    It's not that what you are saying is wrong, it's more that you mix together correct statements with dubious statements, ignore most of modern physics experimental results, and then go on to make unorthodox and mostly-unsupported assertions. The point you should take away is that critiquing the 130-year-old Michelson-Morley experiments is mostly irrelevant; there are much better and much more recent experimental confirmations of special relativity. Yes, it is possible to come up with ether theories that also fit the same date, but in doing so the net result is that the theory ends up saying that the ether is undetectable, and the mathematical formulation is identical to special relativity.

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