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Tesla Faces Lawsuit For Racial Harassment In Its Factories (mercurynews.com)

Three former Tesla factory workers have filed a lawsuit against the company, claiming they were subject to constant racial discrimination and harassment in the electric car company's factories. "The men, who are African-American, claim in a new complaint filed Monday in state court that Tesla supervisors and workers used racial epithets and drew racist graffiti on cardboard boxes," reports The Mercury News. From the report: The new suit is the second by black employees charging Tesla failed to address racial antagonism at its factory. The electric vehicle maker also has a hearing before the National Labor Relations Board over claims it illegally tried to silence workers promoting a union. The complaints come as the Tesla heads into a crucial ramp-up of Model 3 production, its lower-cost electric vehicle. A Tesla spokesman denied the suit's allegations and said the men never raised the complaints to the company during their brief time at the plant. "Given our size, we recognize that unfortunately at times there will be cases of harassment or discrimination in corners of the company," the spokesman said. "From what we know so far, this does not seem to be such a case." The suit, filed in Alameda County Superior Court, claims Owen Diaz and his son, Demetric, were called the N-word while they worked at the Fremont factory, and supervisors did little to stop it. A third man, Lamar Patterson, also claims he was subjected to insensitive racist remarks.

151 comments

  1. And that, my friends, is why you shouldn't hire wh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the motion picture industry hadn't hired Harvey Weinstein, there would be a lot less traumatized starlets. White men cause trouble.

  2. Unacceptable by DaMattster · · Score: 1, Insightful

    In present times, being subjected to racial epithets is totally unacceptable. The fact that Tesla did little or nothing to address or curb this behavior is astounding so they will have to pay the piper for what they failed to do. Tesla assumes the ultimate responsibility for making its employees conform with a code of conduct that prevents discrimination in the workplace and did not do so. It is a shame that we live in times where people on the far right and hate groups are becoming emboldened because of the poor example our country's leadership is setting. I hate bringing politics into this, but leadership that encourages hatred emboldens subordinate people who might already feel they have an axe to grind against minorities.

    1. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ... at any time. It's stupid. Never was anything but.

    2. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This did not suddenly change because Trump is in office. This has happened under Obama, Bush, and Clinton. All three of which, I would wager, could have done more. So while I agree, this is astounding that its 2017 and we still face this problem.. this is not the time to soapbox about why Trump is not a good president. If you want to really address the problem, ask why your elected representatives in congress have done little to nothing to fix the problem even though most of them have been in office since Clinton or before

    3. Re:Unacceptable by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      being subjected to racial epithets / The fact that Tesla did little or nothing to address or curb this behavior

      Are these facts, or is someone looking for a payday? If there has been a formal complaint that got ignored, there'd be a pretty clear case. If the harassment actually happened but no formal complaint was made for whatever reason, then it comes down (or should come down) to what the law says about what exactly Tesla's obligations are in having an appropriate code of conduct and making sure it is being followed. No idea what US law has to say about that to be honest... But the point is that Tesla ought to be judged on facts, not claims or hearsay.

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    4. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "the men never raised the complaints to the company during their brief time at the plant"

      How is Tesla supposed to address these alleged incidents, if they were never notified they happened?

      The rule for *successful* lawsuits like this is:
      1. Incident occurs
      2. Employee notifies company
      3. Company fails to act
      4. Incidents continue
      5. File lawsuit.

    5. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Troll

      Most likely they're union organizers trying to stir up outrage

    6. Re:Unacceptable by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      Union organizers making good on threats to hurt the business.

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    7. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Sexual Harassment in Hollywood -- Up until a few weeks ago, didn't exist, not a problem. If it was people would come out against it.
      Sexism in Tech / Women paid less than men for equal work - Doesn't happen. If it was happening, people would come out against it.
      Paying undocumented workers cash-in-hand to perform work at restricted site - Doesn't happen. If it was happening, people would come out against it.
      Police Shooting unarmed black men - Doesn't happen. If it was happening, people would come out against it.

      See a pattern here? This stuff has always happened and continues to happen. The people who speak out have retaliation against them while the victims become a secondary victim most of the times. I'm going to have to side with the workers on this one. They hopefully documented taking it to their supervisor moreso than just walking up and telling them.

    8. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The CEO is responsible for the actions of all the employees.

        -reddit

    9. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We'll see. They may lose in court and I hope so if this happened. But, I'd be stunned if the public doesn't choose to just overlook this because so many idolize Musk. I'd be surprised if there is even one person who was going to buy a Tesla, but won't now because of this. Our values tend to go right out the door, or more accurately , exposed for what they really are, when we have to make a choice.

    10. Re:Unacceptable by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      File a complaint? This does nothing but tell them that you are a problem employee and possibly unprofitable to the company. Why do you think they just laid off 1% of their workforce?

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    11. Re:Unacceptable by galabar · · Score: 1

      Agreed, but how much is that worth, monetarily speaking?

    12. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Someone else might bite, but I don't need to engage your bullet points since the problem's further upstream: Those are generalizations.

      A lawsuit is a specific claim regarding specific events. The verdict isn't affected by "it's actually happening out there tho".

    13. Re:Unacceptable by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      People have been making claims about sexual harassment in Hollywood for ages. Everyone knows Polanski raped an underage girl back in the 70's and in her autobiography Shirley Temple wrote that some Hollywood bigshot exposed himself to her when she was underage.

      Just because you choose not to pay attention doesn't mean that people haven't been reporting it and coming forward. Similarly there've been loads of lawsuits for decades now for all kinds of workplace discrimination.

    14. Re:Unacceptable by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If there has been a formal complaint that got ignored, there'd be a pretty clear case.

      From TFA:

      Demetric Diaz complained about the regular use of epithets to the staffing agency and another supervisor, the suit said. The supervisor told him he was just a replaceable temporary worker. Diaz was dismissed less than a week later in October 2015.

      Owen Diaz continued to work as an elevator operator. But over time, the suit claimed, the harassment grew worse. A co-worker regularly used the N-word. Diaz found an offensive “pickaninny” cartoon with the caption “Boo!” drawn on a bale of cardboard.

      Owen Diaz also got into a heated argument with the supervisor who drew the cartoon, the suit said. He complained about the incident, and started to receive poor work evaluations. Diaz left Tesla around May 2016.

      I'm not sure what you definition is of a "formal" complaint, but the employees own stories indicate that supervisors were aware of the harassment, and even took part in it. This despite the complaints to other supervisors and the employment agency.

      Missing in all of this is Tesla's policy for reporting such behavior in a way that it does not jeopardize the reporter's position in the company. Anyone care to share that?

      Even so, it seems implausible that nobody in middle management or upwards knew this was going on.

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    15. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember how funny it was when people blamed Obama for all sorts of unrelated stuff? It's nice to know that stupidity swings both ways.

    16. Re: Unacceptable by guruevi · · Score: 2

      You have obviously never worked with Asian people. If you want to hear racism, learn a bit of Chinese or Hindi.

      The thing is any people in any group will do it at some level. There are gradations of it but youâ(TM)ll see it anywhere.

      The French are also really good at it, while Germans donâ(TM)t say it as much as act upon it.

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    17. Re: Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good thing it only happens in Hollywood, phew!

    18. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're more right then you know. They are complaining about stuff that happened in 2015. It LITERALLY happened under Obama.

    19. Re: Unacceptable by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Middle and upper management is always clueless, itâ(TM)s how they keep in that place. If the middle managers admitted being aware they would be responsible.

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    20. Re: Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Were they all minorities and made complaints about racial discrimination? If so its a obvious verdict. The law is clear and judges in America are not afraid to enforce it. You cannot take disciplinary action on employees for making legitimate harassment and discrimination complaints. If what you suggest is true, I suspect Tesla will be hit with a massive lawsuit but since I think you are just making bull shit up they probably won't.

    21. Re:Unacceptable by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Are these facts, or is someone looking for a payday? If there has been a formal complaint that got ignored, there'd be a pretty clear case. If the harassment actually happened but no formal complaint was made for whatever reason, then it comes down (or should come down) to what the law says about what exactly Tesla's obligations are in having an appropriate code of conduct and making sure it is being followed. No idea what US law has to say about that to be honest... But the point is that Tesla ought to be judged on facts, not claims or hearsay.

      Those are the questions. None here have any facts to work with, so its hard to get offended. If this accused racist and demeaning treatment was as common as claimed, I would expect there would be other employees that could and would be will to corroborate it. That's something investigations will likely delve into. Until then the only thing we know is that some of the recently dismissed employees are making claims.

    22. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Triggered. Do you need a safe space like Pence, sweet pea?

    23. Re: Unacceptable by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You have obviously never worked with Asian people. If you want to hear racism, learn a bit of Chinese or Hindi.

      I know some Mandarin, and the worst I have heard is "heiren" which just means "black person". But what is often surprising to Americans is the total lack of "political correctness" in China. They will come right out and say "I don't like black people" even to strangers. I remember seeing this commercial when I lived in Shanghai. I thought it was hilariously offensive, but Chinese people didn't see anything wrong with it.

    24. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Tesla did nothing

      They just fired 2% of their workforce for apparently "no reason". Maybe they were cleaning out the deplorables.

    25. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Needs more buzzwords.

      I rate it CURRENT_YEAR out of 10.

    26. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone writes 'niger' on a cardboard box and Tesla has to pay out money to minorities. I've worked with some racist assholes but none of them left physical evidence of their bigotry. This shit is made up to make some people money.

    27. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems like the harassment didn't exist in the first place. The employee saw things or heard things he didn't like, none of which was targeted at him. This whole, "oh I saw or heard something I didn't like, wasn't directed at me in any capacity, so I'm going to be offended by it" bullshit needs to stop.

      With that said, that stuff happening in the work place is entirely inappropriate.

    28. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but I don't see this as a far right or hate group issue. Reading TFA seems to say (apologies for any racial stereotyping) that at least a few of the alleged assailants in this matter were Hispanic and using gang signs known to be used in the area by Hispanic/Black gangs.

    29. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Undirected harassment is still harassment. Dropping "n1gger" into casual conversation, or drawing racist doodles in public places is dramatically unprofessional. Especially if your co-worker is black.

      If the comments were "cracker" and the cartoons were of southern stereotypes, it wouldn't be any less unprofessional, especially if your co-worker is from down south.

    30. Re:Unacceptable by rtb61 · · Score: 0

      Ohh fuck off. Places of work are not school yards, as long as it does not get out of hand, lead to physical conflict of disrupt productivity, grow the fuck up and get back to work. Not every fucking place on the planet has to be PC, nor can it be, just the way it is. Keep in mind they have a right to their culture as well, their natural coarseness, it is who they are and you are just being racist against their culture.

      At one point eventually you have to accept adults are adults and must accept adult responsibilities, some stupid words should not drive everything, fuck off with the bullshit. Clearly people being fired are being backed by lawyers for a clearly aimed attack on Tesla. OHHHH NOESSS mommy, the other workers are picking on me, fuck off and grow up, don't interact with the other workers, focus on you job and get it done.

      Factory work is shit work, make no mistake, any one who pretends different is a liar or has never done it (still lying though, they just wont admit it). It is the work causing the problem not the people's attitudes, it is shit work, mindless drone shit and subject people to that and they will play out of boredom. PC on building sites has short shrift, I could image supervising a building site to have a contractor run up to me to complain about some of the other workers calling them a dirty name. My response, fuck off and grow up, your an adult deal with it like an adult. My response with the other workers, stop picking on the fruit loop they are annoying me, they would laugh or most likely probably insult me like there was no tomorrow, I would laugh and tell them in turn "yeah right fuck off you pack of arse holes". Some places of work are adults only, not the school, not the hospital, not the office but factories and building sites, you betcha, can't stand on your own as an adult, be some body else's problem.

      You would most definitely be harassing people if you deny them their natural, normal behaviour. If it gets out of hand you clamp down ie affects productivity or leads to physical violence. How to deal with physical violence, well, it is different in Australia, as a victim of a crime you report it, you do not press charges, the police do that, you are only a witness, so ultimate warning, stop fucking around, otherwise next bit of violence and I will call the coppers and let them deal with you idiots (dependent upon injuries).

      Don't like my way, fuck off you fairy fuckers, on the building site you are up to neck in testosterone, don't deal with it right and you become subject to physical attack and make no mistake it becomes routine handle more confrontational work places, always testing for weakness. Words do not hurt as much as the fairies claim they do, people ganging up hurts, confrontational harassment hurts, words only hurt if you let them hurt, grow the fuck up.

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    31. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in present times with so much unemployment of humans, worthless n words fucking up factories is totally unacceptable

      now google n word pissing on corn flakes to see a funny video of what's videoing itself pissing on your corn flakes

    32. Re: Unacceptable by guruevi · · Score: 1

      And based on that commercial you can see that "racism", on both the giving and receiving ends of the equation is just what society says is acceptable.

      What I meant is that in Asian societies, what we call "racist" is acceptable. If you had a universal translator in Chinese groups working within the US, many, many people would be grossly offended. Even within Asian subcultures you'll see Japanese, Koreans and Chinese dislike each other based on the color of their skin and they see nothing wrong with it, hell, they take stuff like network equipment or computers home from work and they see nothing wrong with it.

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    33. Re:Unacceptable by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      I've worked with some racist assholes but none of them left physical evidence of their bigotry.

      Try browsing on this site at -1. You'll see plenty of "physical evidence" of racist assholes.

      Your anecdotal absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

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    34. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unacceptable? Not for nibbers ... Bantu are stupid, violent and lazy as-a-race. Manifest and evident. Bred to dem bones. Who doubt it ... really !! Might as well call ... a spade a SPADE ... your deal pad're .

    35. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have got to be the biggest fucking cunt I have ever read a comment from. Do you have parents, children, any family that has not yet committed suicide having met you? Do they know how you feel about other Humans?

    36. Re: Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you think they were provoking white racist workers by 'acting too Black's or 'wearing clothes that emphasized their blackness'? They must have brought it upon themselves! (End sarcasm)

    37. Re:Unacceptable by schopey · · Score: 1

      RTFA. There were multiple complaints made which were all either ignored completely or brushed aside.

    38. Re:Unacceptable by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      I didn't see the word "Hispanic" in TFA. But I did see where the guy's supervisor may have been a bit unprofessional, eh?

      After a month or two on the assembly line, employees regularly began calling Lambert racial epithets, the suit says. The minute-long video, taken by a supervisor with Lambert’s phone, shows young employees flashing gang signs while the supervisor rapped how he was going to cut Lambert up in pieces and send body parts to his family, according to the suit. The video narration is laced with the N-word.

    39. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The law doesn't care if the speech is directed at a protected class of people. Gender, racial, and religious discrimination is all illegal whether it's said to your face, or it's a "private" conversation in the company without the protected class present. Even if the boss is white and the other person is white. If the boss says racial epithets towards any race it's a hostile work environment.

    40. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even so, it seems implausible that nobody in middle management or upwards knew this was going on.

      Tesla recently fired most of the middle to upper-management staff members from the company, most likely BECAUSE the entity construct of Tesla (Ultimately EM the fucker himself, also know as EMF) knew what was going on and did not want it to propagate to those who are financially capable to fight them in the system.
      Well played Tesla, well played.

    41. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unprofessional? Where can I buy his album?

      Nicca imma cut yo shytt up like a ham
      Nigga imma send da pieces 2 ya fam
      Monkey nigga eatin melon wit da husk
      Cus U werk at Tesla Motors 4 tha musk

    42. Re:Unacceptable by geekymachoman · · Score: 1, Interesting

      > Are these facts, or is someone looking for a payday?

      Neither. It's the Russian agents. Dividing America, in an effort to further alienate Americans from each other, and then take away your freedom without resisting. After that they'll just go home and laugh, loudly, as they've achieved their purpose in this life.

    43. Re: Unacceptable by skam240 · · Score: 1

      "And based on that commercial you can see that "racism", on both the giving and receiving ends of the equation is just what society says is acceptable."

      And where is your evidence that black people found that add not offensive? Seems like your entire comment is based on a fantasy scenario where minorities don't mind being diminished because of the color of their skin, which I think is complete fucking bullshit. How would you like your skin color to be labeled "dirty"?

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    44. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well they are certainly serious accusations but unfortunately you will need to present some evidence that prove the claims are true. And filling harassment complaints is the first step in creating a paper trail that can be used throughout the complaint process. If you feel you are treated differently or have suffered further harm after you file a complaint you can file another complaint and add to the paper trail. And you can always bypass the company and file your complaints with the department of labor. Or you can engage a lawyer specializes in labor laws and let the lawyer file complaints while ensuring you are not penalized for filing the complaint. The lawyer can also determine if your complaint is legitimate and has enough proof to win the case. However, if you only get your feelings hurt because someone is being mean to you than you may want to keep your complaints to yourself.

    45. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's OK snowflake. We got this.

    46. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The funny thing about the N word is that it's a frequent part of conversations between people of African descent, being used almost with delight. That's OK, right? but as soon as someone from a different race uses that word, all hell breaks loose...

    47. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Workplaces are "not schoolyards", and yet you're the one saying repeatedly to "grow up". Mature, civilized people (aka not children on the schoolyard) treat each other with respect and consideration versus a selfish dog-eat-dog mentality. If schoolyard-type bullying in a workplace is making someone miserable, your answer is to just suck it up? I hope our societies move consistently away from the worldview you embrace.

    48. Re: Unacceptable by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      What I meant is that in Asian societies, what we call "racist" is acceptable.

      Those words don't make sense in that arrangement. "racism" is about bias because of race. It has nothing to do with acceptable/unacceptable behaviour except that many people round these parts consider racism unacceptable.

      Disliking someone because of skin colour is pretty much the textbook definition of racism, regardless of whether someone standing nearby disapproves or not.

      What you mean is "...racism is acceptable".

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    49. Re: Unacceptable by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      China hasn't had the historical problems with a large black population, so is less aware of the issues. That's all it is really, they are more aware of issues that affect them like lingering animosity towards Japanese people due to the war, much like how many British people still hate and mistrust Germans.

      Things are of course changing quickly as the middle class grows. Women's rights in particular are advancing quickly, although they still have a long way to go to reach European levels. And of course it's such a large country they vary hugely between say Beijing and remote parts of Fujian.

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    50. Re:Unacceptable by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what you definition is of a "formal" complaint

      I'm sure that fits the definition of the formal complaint, but that does not fit the definition of a fact.
      Also from TFA:

      The company received a complaint from Owen Diaz in October 2015 about a belligerent co-worker. But, the company said, “that email made no mention of the use of any racist language or epithets.”

      He said / She said is the reason we have a court system. Tesla should be judged *after* the courts had their say, not when some dude goes to some news site which publishes some random story.

    51. Re:Unacceptable by jeremyp · · Score: 2, Funny

      What? Was he on the roof of the factory at the time?

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    52. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should move the factory out of the racist South to a more Progressive city, like San Francisco...

    53. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone writes 'niger' on a cardboard box...

      Maybe that was its shipping destination...

    54. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rule for *successful* lawsuits like this is:
      1. Incident occurs
      2. Employee notifies company
      3. Company fails to act
      4. Incidents continue
      5. Employee provides evidence of Incidents
      6. File lawsuit.

      FTFY

    55. Re: Unacceptable by jedidiah · · Score: 0

      Hollywood glorifies it. Hollywood wallows in it. It always has. Your comments are only a weak attempt at deflection.

      "Don't look at us, it's really the rest of you that are scum."

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    56. Re:Unacceptable by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      If you aren't even present to be offended, then how can you offer reliable testimony?

      Crimes have to be proven. You can't just form a lynch mob based off of half-baked accusations.

      The fact that certain things are illegal now is not something to be glossed over. However you still have to prove your claims either to HR or in a court.

      This inclination to engage in virtual lynchings in the press really isn't appropriate and never was.

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    57. Re:Unacceptable by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > I didn't see the word "Hispanic" in TFA.

      Diaz

      Probably the wrong slur.

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    58. Re: Unacceptable by guruevi · · Score: 2

      Black people - in America - found it offensive. Apparently no asian person found it offensive nor did the person appearing in the ad, they wouldn't have made the ad otherwise. In Europe we have black people going as slaves/helpers in religious processions with white saints.

      Travel the world, you'll find it interesting how much hullabaloo we make of political issues that to the rest of the world and in context, don't matter.

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    59. Re:Unacceptable by scourfish · · Score: 1

      The article did say that they complained to the staffing agencies and to another supervisor. I know that, even informally, supervisors have an obligation to follow through on such complaints. It's a his-word-against-theirs type scenario, but if whatever legal black magic it takes to prove this turns out to be true, then I think that it's only fair that Tesla should be compensating these people in that case.

    60. Re: Unacceptable by guruevi · · Score: 2

      What *you* call racism is acceptable in certain cultures and in certain contexts. Even if it is racism per definition, the majority of the world accepts that racism is a natural thing and works with and around it.

      It's hard to explain in words to an American like you but travel the world, get to know people and you'll see, people make jokes about their own and other races much more often than American Puritans or SJW would allow them to.

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    61. Re:Unacceptable by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Going further on your comment, if there's an email it can be discovered under subpoena. If there's a formal complaint to HR, it can be discovered for trial.

      These things are usually cut-and-dried: there's a company policy about this kind of shit, and if the employee files a complaint it's on file. The employee should have also kept some record of making the complaint if they are smart. If the management didn't take any action according to the policy (discipline, training, termination of the offender), then it's on the company.

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    62. Re: Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is totally inaccurate. I lived in South Korea for 10 years and it's not that racism is acceptable, it's that racism aimed at black people (and Chinese, Japanese, South Asian, Caucasian etc. although white people face it the least in South Korea) is acceptable. But they most certainly do not make racist jokes about themselves.

    63. Re: Unacceptable by Mab_Mass · · Score: 1

      Two things strike me about your line of thinking:

      Just because other cultures do it, does that make it ok?

      In the US, we have a very, very different relationship with race than most places in the world, mostly due to the history of slavery, which was instituted along the lines of race. Yes, slavery existed before, but the US was a pioneer in constructing a system of perpetual, inherited slavery based upon race.

      This historical pattern absolutely impacts *how* we have come to understand and talk about race in the US, and it is hard to compare the US to other countries in this regard.

    64. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every place I work better be PC or I'm hauling your fucking ass to HR you whiny little bitch

    65. Re:Unacceptable by EndlessNameless · · Score: 1

      If you aren't even present to be offended, then how can you offer reliable testimony?

      Obviously, you wouldn't know about it unless someone talked about it. In that case, the original witness would have to report the behavior or testify about it.

      Crimes have to be proven. You can't just form a lynch mob based off of half-baked accusations.

      Good thing there is a lawsuit then, so the legal system can do its job.

      This inclination to engage in virtual lynchings in the press really isn't appropriate and never was.

      As long as the press reports the facts, they aren't doing anything wrong. If they encourage or advocate a response, then that's beyond the scope of a reporter.

      Who cares if the public is upset by the facts? No one is responsible for reigning in the public. If someone lied, then that should be reported once it's established. The public can change their minds if the facts demand it.

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    66. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some places of work are adults only, not the school, not the hospital, not the office but factories and building sites, you betcha, can't stand on your own as an adult, be some body else's problem.

      Just because you can only hire dumbshits with no career opportunities anywhere else... doesn't mean you can't hold them to a standard.

      They're garbage for behaving that way, and you're garbage for allowing it.

      Words do not hurt as much as the fairies claim they do, people ganging up hurts, confrontational harassment hurts, words only hurt if you let them hurt, grow the fuck up.

      It doesn't matter how much it hurts. It shouldn't be happening in the first place.

      If a bunch of dumbasses need to blow off steam, they can find a good way to do it. Believe it or not, some people manage to be something better than shit stains in their spare time.

    67. Re:Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but as soon as someone from a different race uses that word, all hell breaks loose...

      Oh look, it's another undereducated white guy who doesn't understand that context and intent are important parts of communication.

    68. Re:Unacceptable by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      yes, but honestly: If that term wasn't used so much , do you think anyone would even remember it?
      All the old racial epithets for Germans, Jews, Italians...they just disappeared.

    69. Re: Unacceptable by guruevi · · Score: 1

      It does not make it ok *within the US* because it's a different societal norm. But to judge other cultures (as many of the parent postings do) based on your own (limited) understanding of other cultures is just as bad.

      As a non-US-ian I am well aware of how the US got to be where it is now, but I've got enough context to be able to say that even within the US, not every societal group accepts those rationalizations of the US's adaptive behavior.

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    70. Re: Unacceptable by skam240 · · Score: 1

      A) I happen to be very well traveled, thank you very much.
      B) Everything East of India tends to be extremely all Asian, as in very few people of African descent. It's not at all surprising mono ethnic countries didn't find labeling black people as dirty as offensive. There just aren't enough black people to be statistically significant.
      C) Reenacting a scant few religious festivals by playing a historic / mythological role as some one who was oppressed at the time is not at all the same as a TV commercial literally labeling black people as dirty. Nice try though!
      D) White people in America found it offensive too. Most of us like our black neighbors.

      So basically, you're full of it.

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    71. Re: Unacceptable by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      What *you* call racism is acceptable in certain cultures and in certain contexts.

      No, what is generally defined to be racism is acceptable etc...

      Even if it is racism per definition,

      It is.

      You're hung up on racism==bad so if lots of people do it it can't be bad therefore it isn't racism. Kinda BS mate.

      the majority of the world accepts that racism is a natural thing and works with and around it.

      So? Living in trees, flinging poo and dying at 23 is natural, but that doesn't mean it's good.

      It's hard to explain in words to an American

      I ain't American.

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    72. Re: Unacceptable by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      You're hung up on racism==bad so if lots of people do it it can't be bad therefore it isn't racism

      This is a major problem right now. Take a look at the number of threads right now along the lines of:

      Person A: "Muslims refugees are invading Europe and raping their white women."
      Person B: "That's racist bullshit dude"
      Person A: "How DARE you call me a racist! Liberal ((((SJWs)))) calling people who just hate Muslims, Blacks, and Messicans is EXACTLY why we voted for Trump."

      They don't like it when you call them the word that actually describes what they're doing because, well, it has negative connotations. They understand the word means something bad, but for some reason have a block about the fact that in order to avoid being described by the word, you have to, you know, not do the things the word describes.

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  3. Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that is the new equality cry but business is business

  4. Racist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Musk is South African and white South Africans love their racism.

    1. Re:Racist by haruchai · · Score: 2

      Musk is South African and white South Africans love their racism.

      Wouldn't it have been easier to be racist by NOT hiring minorities than to have to train them to do a skilled job & also train their supervisors to treat them badly?

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    2. Re:Racist by markdavis · · Score: 1

      >"Musk is South African and white South Africans love their racism."

      That is a completely unfair statement on many levels. In fact, it probably, itself, is a racist statement.

      For example, to claim that all or even most European Americans are racist is a racist statement (it is hatred and slander based on race generalization). It is also fact that all races have within them, people are are racist (and the number will vary wildly depending on how you define "racist" and who you put into groups, and geographical area, and sociology-economic status, and a zillion other factors).

      This whole ordeal is likely to be a stunt by the unions; but without actual facts, ANYTHING is speculation. But throwing out such accusations about Musk and certainly about all South Africans of European decent is intolerable.

    3. Re:Racist by skam240 · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it make sense that the middle managers being racist weren't evolved in the hiring process?

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    4. Re:Racist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      white South Africans love their racism

      Oh the irony?

    5. Re:Racist by haruchai · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it make sense that the middle managers being racist weren't evolved in the hiring process?

      So racist South Africans use HR people to hire minorities they despise & also racist middle managers to abuse them?
      Who's hiring the racist HR people?
      I'd love to hear how those various job interviews go. Do you think "kaffir-lover" is ever mentioned during the hiring process?

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    6. Re:Racist by skam240 · · Score: 1

      How is it not possible to you that lower tier management has members that happen to end to up being racist but the upper tier that does the hiring isnt? It's not as if there's a fool proof interview question like, "are you racists. No? Oh good, you're hired then!". Lower tier management is where you figure out who works for future management and who doesnt. You seem to have a real disconnect with reality in regards to how general employment works.

      Also, it's great you have a great big racist boogy-man like South Africa to bring out but that has nothing to do with the conversation.

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    7. Re:Racist by haruchai · · Score: 1

      "Also, it's great you have a great big racist boogy-man like South Africa to bring out but that has nothing to do with the conversation"

      Where did you fail reading comprehension?
      Go look at the title of the comment that started this thread

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    8. Re:Racist by skam240 · · Score: 1

      So if South Africa is what we've been talking about then you're agreeing that "White South African" equals "racist"?

      I was pretty much just ignoring dumb bigoted claims and addressing your point about management.

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  5. Why is political drama on slashdot? by bongey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And when are the political narratives constantly being pushed now on this site going to end? I thought this was a tech site.

    1. Re: Why is political drama on slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      This site hasnâ(TM)t been about technology for years. Itâ(TM)s now an angry far left insane asylum. Anyway it should be clear this lawsuit isnâ(TM)t about racial harassment itâ(TM)s the unions punching back. They do this kind of shit when they donâ(TM)t get their way.

    2. Re: Why is political drama on slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Serious question. What if someone started a competing site in the mold of what Slashdot used to be? That is to open source the site's code, editors around on IRC, a focus on hardware and software (especially open source), etc... Let's say the site intended to build a community of nerds with stories that are of interest to nerds. Would you frequently visit that site?

    3. Re: Why is political drama on slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      There are two possible outcomes: a.) your alternative site does not attract the people you wish and eventually dies and b.) your site does attract the audience and contributors you desire, and then the SJWs that plague slashdot will show up and ruin it.

      You have to be willing to dissuade the SJWs; mod them down, ban them, etc. They won't like it and they'll yell at you until you give in, so you have to be prepared to deal with that.

    4. Re: Why is political drama on slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like the part where nobody remebers Soylent News anymore. Is it even still around?

      But anyway, that should answer your question.

    5. Re: Why is political drama on slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Same AC you replied to. Are you certain that those are the only two options? My hypothesis is that the editors choose the stories that show up, and those stories define the audience. I've gone back and looked through the archives of stories at the height of Slashdot (2000 plus or minus a couple of years). Stories about social issues were quite rare back then. Political stories were rare, though they occasionally made appearances. I saw one about Boris Yeltsin resigning, and I suspect big news like the outcome of a presidential election might have merited a story. I suspect that if the stories were chosen differently, the site would attract a different audience that would post different comments than what we get here.

      I don't think Malda et al. were particularly interested in stories like this. For that matter, neither am I. I just think the community and the types of comments are a function of the stories that the editors post.

      Are you sure that those are the only two outcomes?

    6. Re: Why is political drama on slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Soylent News is still around and they have their own lame trolls. Slashdot has the Gay N1ggers, Soylent has the Dick N1ggers. Same shit, different n1ggers.

    7. Re: Why is political drama on slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same AC you replied to.

      I've looked at SN, and yes, they're still around. There are at least a few thousand users there and they seem to slowly be picking up more comments. They run a forked version of Slash and the site certainly looks a lot like Slashdot. I think they will be somewhat successful.

      But I also don't think SN is quite in the mold of Malda's Slashdot. The top story on SN right now is about social issues. There are some interesting science stories on there, but I also probably wouldn't be able to say anything meaningful about a lot of the science news. I don't have the background to make interesting comments.

      A lot of the stories on the old Slashdot we're about computer hardware and software that a significant part of the audience would interact with. SN has some of those stories, but they seem to have a lower percentage of them. Part of Slashdot's success was luck, but part of it was posting a substantial amount of stories that would directly affect a lot of the audience (programmers and IT workers).

    8. Re: Why is political drama on slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of the stories on the old Slashdot we're about computer hardware and software that a significant part of the audience would interact with.

      The audience has changed since 20 years ago when Slashdot started. The young enthusiastic hobbyists grew up and got jobs. More importantly, they got old. One of three things has happened to them by now. Either they went into management, or they left the tech industry for another field, or they burned out to become unemployed bums. In every case, they don't do anything technical anymore.

    9. Re: Why is political drama on slashdot? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 3, Funny

      This site hasnâ(TM)t been about technology for years. Itâ(TM)s now an angry far left insane asylum. Anyway it should be clear this lawsuit isnâ(TM)t about racial harassment itâ(TM)s the unions punching back. They do this kind of shit when they donâ(TM)t get their way.

      This site can't even figure out how to properly display text. Something that seems to have been solved since the first cathode ray terminal.

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    10. Re:Why is political drama on slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And when are the political narratives constantly being pushed now on this site going to end? I thought this was a tech site.

      Define tech. Is this an agile way of saying technology?

    11. Re:Why is political drama on slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because a hostile work environment at a major tech company is about tech news... duh.

    12. Re: Why is political drama on slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or perhaps it just has a distinctive commercial emphasis in overly respecting trademarks?

    13. Re: Why is political drama on slashdot? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      It's just people on crap iDevices that have those punctuation problems on Slashdot. It's been bad since the iOS 11 release for some reason.

    14. Re:Why is political drama on slashdot? by skam240 · · Score: 1

      When politics don't "matter".

      "News for nerds and stuff that matters"

      Year after year I read idiots complain "Back in my day it was all tech". News flash, I've been here since 98 (Didn't create a log on until latter) and it has never been all tech.

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    15. Re:Why is political drama on slashdot? by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      Yes, but back then wasn't there a checkbox you could use to filter out Jon Katz's supercilious and presumptuous claptrap?

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    16. Re:Why is political drama on slashdot? by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      And when are the political narratives constantly being pushed now on this site going to end? I thought this was a tech site.

      Alleged racial discrimination on a pre-eminent tech company, being discussed on a nerds site that has, since its inception covered such topics. Stop pretending that you only care for tech-new purity.

    17. Re: Why is political drama on slashdot? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      my guess is a complete and utter lack of Unicode support, and WebKit is putting in "smart quote" apostrophes in the submission.

      It's 2017. Fix the fucking Unicode already, Slashdot.

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    18. Re: Why is political drama on slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but replacing the apostrophe (', code point 0x0027) by right single quotating mark (’, code point 0x2019) is stupid and wrong, regardless of any website's support for Unicode.

    19. Re:Why is political drama on slashdot? by skam240 · · Score: 1

      Sadly there still isn't a checkbox to filter out idiots who want slashdot to only post exactly what they want to see posted and nothing else.

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  6. Elon Musk is a hypocrite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Elon Musk is a hypocrite. He claims to support the good of the workers, advocating for ideas like universal basic income. However, Tesla is suppressing the formation of unions that would represent the workers and ensure their rights are respected. And now Tesla is alleged to have allowed racial harassment to have occurred in its factories. Musk doesn't truly care about the good of workers. He's grandstanding because doing so presents a favorable image of himself that helps boost sales. He doesn't actually want to take any action to protect his own workers by allowing them to unionize or even eliminating ethnic slurs in his factories. Musk should be exposed for the hypocrite that he is.

    1. Re:Elon Musk is a hypocrite by oic0 · · Score: 0

      Cant do much of anything if the unions bankrupt him. Don't get me wrong, I like unions... But the UAW is a little notorious.

    2. Re:Elon Musk is a hypocrite by phayes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Claims != proven facts and a simple google search on "uaw fraud unionizing" will show that UAW has been proven to have stooped to lies and out and out fraud in pursuit of forcing unionization.

      Lets save the outrage until fault has been proven and avoid becoming the modern equivalent of whites in the south lynching a black man on trumped up claims, shall we?

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    3. Re:Elon Musk is a hypocrite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are all these left-wing companies and industries such cesspits of racism, sexism and bias? Hollywood, Academia, Google, Tesla, the list just goes on and on...

    4. Re: Elon Musk is a hypocrite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I bet ya Musk flew down had himself to the factory and told everybody "let's be racist and show these black guys a thing or two". It was probably top priority on his agenda, after all we know how much CEOs like Musk lobe to risk lawsuits and money just to be overtly racist. In fact I bet you Musk tells his assistant to interrupt him in meetings whenever a juicy opportunity comes up to draw racist cartoons on boxes.

  7. Shut up by leretard · · Score: 0

    You fucking niiggers
    Hush that fuss and go on back to ya momma's house with those tears.
    She might tell you something about sticks and stones.

    1. Re: Shut up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suggest you follow your advice in the subject of your post.

  8. Spoiler: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Watch that the people uttering the words were also black.

  9. Conspiracy Theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tesla's working on ramping up production on a lower cost vehicle (that could compete with the big names) and suddenly they are facing troubles in SJW trigger catch-phrase areas? Hmm. Suspicious.

    Not that I'm saying there can't be a racism issue within a company that size. If there is it should be addressed. But color me skeptical that an issue of that type in THIS day and age wouldn't be brought up internally and IMMEDIATELY tackled with great fervor due to the political climate and the WELL DESERVED reputation companies that don't deal with these issues develop. The timing of the lawsuit is also suspect.

    1. Re:Conspiracy Theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that could compete with the big union shops from Detroit

      FTFY.

  10. This is actually a smart move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I was an educated black person working at a high visibility company then I might recognize the gold mine opportunity too!

    OK, maybe that is racist, but racism and sexism exists and therefore it can be used. If I was an educated black person (especially if female) then I would capitalize on every possible career move, even if a bit immoral, because I'm an in-titled asshole. America has shown it likes public outrage and rich capitalistic assholes!

    1. Re:This is actually a smart move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the way the world ends\

      Not with a bang but a whimper.

    2. Re:This is actually a smart move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like N titled, am I rite?

  11. Adding Insult to Injury by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And Trump called too, saying we got what we signed up for.

  12. Stop it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can we please grow up and stop using the term "the N-word"??

    Words only have the power you give them. When we insist that a word is so bad we can't even print it, we give it power. Can we just knock off the childish euphemisms?

    Some people are jerks. Not printing what they actually say does not solve any problem, but it does make us look afraid, and it encourages the jerks.

    1. Re:Stop it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's working as intended.

    2. Re: Stop it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right - we should go back to calling them coons, or, if they're too young to breed, pickaninnies.

  13. How to be a SHITSKIN NIGGER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Complain nobody wants to hire you because "racism"
    2. Get a job with some moneybag company on the Jewfaggot Diversity Bandwagon
    3. Sue the company for some manufactured, exaggerated claim about "racism"
    4. Wonder why nobody wants to hire you

  14. As a NON- Indian programmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    feel the same way at my current work...just cant understand them to prove it...

  15. Re: And that, my friends, is why you shouldn't hir by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What are you even talking about?

    I tried to read the article. Couldn't get past the site loading ads. So all I know is three people had a complaint but failed to mention it while they were on the job and now they want some legal remedy.

    There is no way the CEO or anyone who wasn't at the factory every day would even know about this. Blaming them is just stupid. And contrary to what many seem to believe, a CEO or even a POTUS can't just instantly impose his values on every one in the organization. Managers and employees with inappropriate behavior can only be identified by complaints and only then can action be taken - to give them a chance to improve or just fire them depending on the situation.

    And those consequences need time to circulate so that everyone will learn what is expected of them and what happens if they act differently than that. Blaming the company or CEO is only reasonable if they have repeatedly failed to act on complaints or are actually encouraging the illegal behavior.

  16. My bullshit detector is pegged by nicoleb_x · · Score: 1

    This makes no sense, Tawana Brawley et al?

    1. Re:My bullshit detector is pegged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tawana be dat dem nibber bitch hirrd wid afrmatve aktion like be that Obamafone shee be callin day krakman. An rat she be ain 't so gud wid nummbers how many tims si blojobbed massy fo' exstraw lunsh brak . Fridd chiken and melon tak dat riteous time be chewin.

  17. Re:And that, my friends, is why you shouldn't hire by cayenne8 · · Score: 0

    You know...if they would just let in the UNIONS, I'm sure ALL these pesky problems and lawsuits would just "magically" disappear.

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  18. Obama's fault, eh? (2015) by raymorris · · Score: 0

    >. It is a shame that we live in times where people on the far right and hate groups are becoming emboldened because of the poor example our country's leadership is setting. I hate bringing politics into this, but leadership that encourages hatred emboldens

    So it's Obama's fault this happened? (In case you didn't know, he was president in 2015, when this happened.). Good thing we now have new leadership so people who were discriminated against under Obama can now safely bring their plight out in the open, huh?

    You might be right. The Dems DO spend a ridiculous amount of time talking about race, making everything racial, trying to keep people constantly separating themselves based on the color of their skin, as if their complexion were the most important thing in the world. Of course when the county's leaders are constantly trying to divide people based on racial groups, you'll have some people buy into their identity politics, their racial stereotyping, and that'll lead to an us-vs-them mentality sometimes.

    1. Re:Obama's fault, eh? (2015) by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      The Dems DO spend a ridiculous amount of time talking about race...

      Yeah yeah dems pubs partisan blah blah, but no not all things are equal Whatever the dems have done[*] the Republican party have a much worse record on race. This whole "both sides are equal no matter what" attitude has pretty much poisoned all rational discourse. Not being American, I don't really have a horse in that race except that hyper-partisan political discourse is the cause of far too many problems.

      TL;DR stop drawing false equivalences.

      [*]Yes the parties entirely swapped a while back. That's irrelevant now.

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    2. Re:Obama's fault, eh? (2015) by RedK · · Score: 1, Informative

      the Republican party have a much worse record on race.

      Yeah, those pesky Republicans who ended slavery in the United States, and then proceeded to massively outvote Democrats on the Civil Rights act of 1964.

      Yeah, much worse record... Like do you people ever do any research or do you just regurgitate media talking points ?

      Not being American

      Oh nvm, just an uneducated twit with no knowledge of what he speaks of.

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    3. Re:Obama's fault, eh? (2015) by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Get a brain moran, and read the entire post including the footnote you so carefully snipped.

      Anyway you've certainly proven you're partisan.

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  19. The "Neklacing" Returns To Afrikoner Musk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Musk knows the "Neklacing" well being an Afrikaner first and foremost.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing

  20. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't need n1ggers touching my car that costs more than their house.

    1. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention is give them and their monkey friends insight on how to steal them easier

  21. Re:And that, my friends, is why you shouldn't hire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing zyklon b can't fix.

  22. Unfortunately very plausible by aepervius · · Score: 2

    It suffice that the lower management is complicit and do not carry the information up (which seem to be the case here). After all discipline is often seen as the lower level management job, herd the cats, while the middle management often see themselves as the planner strategist and not responsible for discipline - from my own experience - and the staff has relatively few bar no contact with middle/high level management. If the lower management stops your complaint.... Then the higher echelon never get a word of it if you follow procedure, or you look like a maverick disturbing their peace if you spring an echelon or two.

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    1. Re:Unfortunately very plausible by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Eh. The higher layers of management are paid more for having more responsibility. If they don't have a good handle on what's going on in their department and it's problems then they have failed in their job as a manager.

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  23. Another Day in Mayberry by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

    If there has been a formal complaint that got ignored, there'd be a pretty clear case.

    From TFA:

    Demetric Diaz complained about the regular use of epithets to the staffing agency and another supervisor, the suit said. The supervisor told him he was just a replaceable temporary worker. Diaz was dismissed less than a week later in October 2015.

    Owen Diaz continued to work as an elevator operator. But over time, the suit claimed, the harassment grew worse. A co-worker regularly used the N-word. Diaz found an offensive “pickaninny” cartoon with the caption “Boo!” drawn on a bale of cardboard.

    Owen Diaz also got into a heated argument with the supervisor who drew the cartoon, the suit said. He complained about the incident, and started to receive poor work evaluations. Diaz left Tesla around May 2016.

    I'm not sure what you definition is of a "formal" complaint, but the employees own stories indicate that supervisors were aware of the harassment, and even took part in it. This despite the complaints to other supervisors and the employment agency.

    Missing in all of this is Tesla's policy for reporting such behavior in a way that it does not jeopardize the reporter's position in the company. Anyone care to share that?

    Even so, it seems implausible that nobody in middle management or upwards knew this was going on.

    I remember when this kind of shit happened to my father and I when we worked at a factory in Burbank (when I was working to make ends meet while trying to get into college). The snarks, the racial remarks, the shit thrown to your face from afar, but no one knew who, the offensive pieces of papers left in the assembly lines for us to pick.

    In the case of Tesla, if supervisors were aware of it, and if employers actually complained directly to them, multiple times, that's all the "formality" needed.

    Though I predict quite a few assholes (here and elsewhere) will twist the conversation into something else, that nothing was formally filed, fake news or whatever.

    People are so fucking invested in their Andy Griffit/Mayberry identity that will do anything to cast doubt to any allegations of racial wrong doing. Everything is fined, we moved on a long time ago, and so and so on.

  24. What happens when you hire leftists by sproketboy · · Score: 1

    ntr

  25. Re: And that, my friends, is why you shouldn't hi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When without reading the article, how the hell do you get that anyone is blaming the CEO? Maybe I missed it, but regardless if the company is failing to address situations that create discriminatory practices or a hostile work environment they should be sued.

    When these things get to the CEO their role is to demonstrate leadership and show the direction the company should follow.

    Consider president little fingers for example. When Nazis are protesting on American soil and kill Americans, his job is to set his vision of the direction of the country to the American people. He could denounce the idiotic genocidal ideology we defeated in WW2 or he could support it. Unfortunately there really is no middle road because ignoring it also gives support to it. In our real life example, president little fingers lead the nation to embrace it by claiming those fighting, like our great grandparents did against the supremacist Nazis were just as bad as the Nazis.

  26. GROW UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you sue when you got called names on the playground too? Grow the fuck up. What a joke. That's like suing McDonald's because the coffee is too hot. Weak ass excuse for a human.

  27. Re: And that, my friends, is why you shouldn't hir by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please point out where it says that the alleged offenders were white or male. Or are you just a racist piece of shit?

  28. Re:And that, my friends, is why you shouldn't hire by KingBenny · · Score: 1

    i got harassed by a little black shit not too long ago, thinking he can do all that simply cos he's black and too young to be responsible i hadnt used your favourite word as an insult in over 30 years, now im all game again good thing it wasnt the muslims huh fuck that shit, where's MY rights, a bit more and i'm gonna move to america and vote for trump next time

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    Free speech was meant to be free for all... how can anyone grow up in a nanny state ?
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  30. No by angelmarauder · · Score: 1

    I've worked on the line for 7 months with a quarter of the people being black and more than half of the people being commuters from Oakland. Where is this racism? I doubt their story and I'm disgusted by the people in the comment section acting like their opinions on the state of things matter.