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Amazon Spends $350K On Seattle Mayor's Race (jeffreifman.com)

reifman writes: Until this summer, Amazon had never contributed more than $15,000 to a city political campaign in Seattle, but this year's different. The company is a lead funder in the Seattle Chamber of Commerce's PAC which dropped $525,000 Monday on Jenny Durkan's PAC, the centrist business candidate. Her opponent Cary Moon is an advocate for affordable housing, which complicates Amazon's growth, and city-owned community broadband. Comcast and Century Link joined Amazon contributing $25,000 and $82,500 respectively to the Chamber's PAC. Amazon's $350,000 contribution represents .00014 of its CY 2016 net profit.

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  1. Units matter! by Mycroft-X · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Amazon's $350,000 contribution represents .00014 of its CY 2016 net profit.

    .00014 what of its profit?

    1. Re:Units matter! by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, I'm not certain what you're asking, but I think 14 1/hundred thousandths of $2.5 billion is $350K.

      What's truly interesting to me, is the idea this is even surprising news.

      A truly shocking story would be, "Half a trillion dollar company still refuses to influence local politics to its benefit."

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      Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

      Ernest Hemingway

    2. Re:Units matter! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ....represents 0.014% of its CY 2016 net profit.
      This is a direct translation, I just added a % and divided the number by 100. There are still no units.

    3. Re:Units matter! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Calendar Year (as opposed to Fiscal Year)

    4. Re:Units matter! by ljw1004 · · Score: 1

      Amazon's $350,000 contribution represents .00014 of its CY 2016 net profit.

      .00014 what of its profit?

      There are no units. It's a ratio.

    5. Re:Units matter! by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      Democracy in action :(

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      Build a Man a Fire, and He'll Be Warm for a Day. Set a Man on Fire, and He'll Be Warm for the Rest of His Life.

    6. Re:Units matter! by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      There are no units. It's a ratio.

      Correct. Although its more usual to state it as a percentage (it would be .014%), a bare number is still correct.

    7. Re:Units matter! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not express it in parts per million while you're at it.

      Look, if you say ".00014" it seems more dramatic. Sort of like saying the national debt is 20 trillion and people yawn.

      Better to say $20,000,000,000,000. That's dramatic. Then put it up on a Times Square marquee.

    8. Re: Units matter! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think his hang up is the word 'profit'. Market capitalization, net income, etc would be appropriate, as amazon has historically not been profitable.

    9. Re: Units matter! by MerlynEmrys67 · · Score: 1

      Over two decades no, over the last three years, AWS has been raking in the cash.

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      I have mod points and I am not afraid to use them
  2. Super PACs by youngone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ah yes, the best government money can buy.

    1. Re: Super PACs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Corps are people, money is speech, voting R or D is useful.

    2. Re: Super PACs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "money is speech"

      Considering people's mouths are more or less the same size, no one should be allowed to contribute more money than anyone else.

    3. Re: Super PACs by Solandri · · Score: 1

      "money is speech"

      Considering people's mouths are more or less the same size, no one should be allowed to contribute more money than anyone else.

      Unfortunately that runs afoul of that pesky concept of "no taxation without representation." If you believe in that (as most red-blooded Americans do), then the fact that we tax corporations means they should have some form of representation in government. Since they can't vote, all that's left for them is to spend money on elections. And it also leads to the idea that someone who pays 10,000x more in taxes than you, might be entitled to a little more say in government.

      IMHO the solution is pretty simply. Eliminate corporate taxes - they just get passed on to people anyway (reduced income for employees, reduced distributions for stockholders, higher prices for customers). Then the link between taxation and representation vanishes, and you're free to prohibit any corporate spending on elections. If a corporation thinks an issue is important to it in an election, it should impress that upon its employees, stockholders, and customers so that they'll vote to help the corporation.

      This also has the side-benefit of encouraging corporations to be nice to their employees, stockholders, and customers. Because those are the folks it will have to convince to vote a certain way on issues which affect it. Landing on the most hated list will mean you have almost zero influence on government policies over your business.

    4. Re: Super PACs by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Considering people's mouths are more or less the same size, no one should be allowed to contribute more money than anyone else.

      It takes more money to be a successful challenger than to be reelected as an incumbent. So limits on spending tend to mean less turnover.

    5. Re: Super PACs by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately that runs afoul of that pesky concept of "no taxation without representation."

      It also runs afoul of the "Congress shall make no law" clause in the pesky 1st Amendment to the United States Constitution.

    6. Re: Super PACs by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Unfortunately that runs afoul of that pesky concept of "no taxation without representation."

      What, you think "no taxation without representation" is in the Constitution? It was a a fucking slogan. The group of wine snobs that were the "Founding Fathers" were just looking for ways to get out of paying their own taxes. They weren't looking to establish some legal precedent.

      If "no taxation without representation" was part of the Constitution, then we wouldn't charge any taxes to the millions of Americans that are denied their voting rights in red states every single election.

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    7. Re: Super PACs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Money = speech
      speech = free
      Therefore, money should be free.

      Hence, a basic income funded on the Fed's balance sheet at no taxpayer cost.

    8. Re: Super PACs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With Amazon Government, Jeff Bezos can have a puppet politician delivered to your door in one election cycle. Free shipping!

    9. Re: Super PACs by Stephan+Schulz · · Score: 1

      "money is speech" Considering people's mouths are more or less the same size, no one should be allowed to contribute more money than anyone else.

      Unfortunately that runs afoul of that pesky concept of "no taxation without representation." If you believe in that (as most red-blooded Americans do), then the fact that we tax corporations means they should have some form of representation in government.

      The companies are represented via their owners. Giving them a separate voice just means the owners are over-represented.

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      Stephan

    10. Re: Super PACs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your revisionist history never ceases to amaze.

    11. Re: Super PACs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      the millions of Americans that are denied their voting rights in red states every single election.

      You'd have done better to mention Puerto Rico.

    12. Re: Super PACs by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      IMHO the solution is pretty simply. Eliminate corporate taxes - they just get passed on to people anyway

      Actually, corporate income tax in 2016 drew $299.6 Billion out of $2,656 Billion from income taxes plus FICA. If my Universal Benefit had been in place, the tax rate would have changed from 35% to 34.6%; and the proportion going to the general corporate income tax would be $168 Billion. It's an ineffective revenue source; I only tax it for my Universal Benefit because that's a dividend off the entire economy--it's supposed to capture as near to a fixed share of all income as possible.

      So negotiating with the Republicans each year to shave down the Corporate Tax Rate in exchange for knocking $8Bn or $12Bn off their ask for discretionary military spending is a viable way to eliminate the excess tax in a decade.

      My Universal Benefit also displaces some of the load from Social Security's OASDI program (providing the same total benefit in retirement, but not all of it from Social Security's OASDI Trusts) to guarantee future Social Security solvency. Because it grows faster than OASDI's cost-of-living adjustments, it cuts into the program further as time goes by. This immediately sets FICA at 5.15% (cutting back the payroll tax), and further erodes it over time.

      We can end with a 15% corporate income tax and an easy 1%+ cut in payroll taxes. Over time, this can reach a 10% universal benefit tax rate (my goal for my Universal Benefit is 10%, paid out starting at age 16) and a 5%+ drop in payroll taxes.

      That all has to compete with policy for a shorter work week, a healthcare public option, and possibly better social security retirement benefits. Still, it's a direction to which we can progress at an ever-falling tax cost with ever-increasing benefits to the American people.

    13. Re: Super PACs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the millions denied their voting rights in blue states every single election? Do they count? Or because they're "on the right" they are sub-human and deserving to be abused? You intolerant prick...

    14. Re: Super PACs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whereas your mom never bothers to amaze

    15. Re: Super PACs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citation? What people "on the right" are denied voting ability in blue states?

      Red states implementing voting restrictions that target minorities is a documented fact.

    16. Re: Super PACs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you know... this one guy, once in that state... like he totally wanted to vote and such and then like obamacare and then hillarys email server... and yeah white power

  3. Amazon at the grass roots political level by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    soon to be the AI level

    1. Re:Amazon at the grass roots political level by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Amazon's political team: "You think those Russian bots were good at influencing elections? Those are amateur hour, man... wait until you see ours! It's not an election, it's an Alexa-ion!'

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      #DeleteChrome
  4. If you're on the side of Comcast by ChoGGi · · Score: 2

    You're on the wrong side.

    Naughty naughty Amazon.

    1. Re:If you're on the side of Comcast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You act like Amazon is any better than Comcast. How cute.

    2. Re:If you're on the side of Comcast by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

      I don't recall saying Amazon is any better; just that Comcast is shit...

      I called 'em naughty that's gotta be worth something.

  5. Time for a conservative mayor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Title says it all.

  6. I'm a mayoral candidate in NH and against all tax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Can we get some of that money thrown at my campaign?

    In all seriousness I am running for mayor in my town and am against the use of violence on peaceful people. Realistically Amazon won't care about little old New Hampshire- particularly in the town I'm running for mayor. I am a principled libertarian and moved to NH as part of the Free State Project effort and Shire Society (it's a migration of those who believe in freedom and liberty over everything else- including "safety", "children", terrorism, naked people, breasts, etc).

    I got about 1/3 of the vote shockingly in the primary here with very little effort exerted. No matter what your social or political objectives are I believe they should not come at the expense of coercion, violence, or theft (ie at the government level they call this taxes).

    And before you call me heartless I just did about 20 hours of community service this past month at a homeless shelter and have put in hundreds of hours this past year outing abusive cops and police tactics. I support charitable organizations who are NOT dependant on theft and other principled libertarians have even started and run organizations to help feed and find housing for those in need.

    My partner was even wrongly arrested for filming an unconscionable police checkpoint where cops were searching 'random' vehicles (we live in a police state for those who aren't aware, his case is being dismissed as I write this, but only after spending thousands of dollars on lawyers, ie the intimidation has not been effective, but it would be against most activists).

    My volunteer efforts have not been publicized although I did a two second interview that hit the media in regards to volunteer work I was doing at another facility although I didn't mention I was running for mayor and the media outlet was not a local one so it would not benefit my run in any way. It also wasn't focused on me, but rather what another libertarian run organization that I support was doing. Though there was no mention by any of the participants of politics or the word libertarian in the news peace.

  7. Given who is backing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The centrist", I know I wouldn't be voting for her.

  8. If money is speech by Beeftopia · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If money is speech, corporations have a lot more of it than you do.

    1. Re:If money is speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So do people that can afford to take time off work to participate in protests etc. Amount of time or money you are willing to give to a cause is a rough proxy for how much you care. They might have opinions because of selfish reasons but don't we all? You really think the people on welfare with 3 kids in school don't take into account who's not going to take the cheque away when they vote?

    2. Re:If money is speech by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1

      If money is speech, then it cannot be regulated by Congress.

    3. Re: If money is speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Democracy" is a myth invented by american regime to subjugate stupid peasants and dollar slaves.

      Communism is the future (without stupid american regime).

    4. Re:If money is speech by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      If money is speech, corporations have a lot more of it than you do.

      So do unions.

      So do political parties.

      And government has way more than any of them. And government can take their money too.

    5. Re: If money is speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Around here, Communism is the past.
      Does entropy decrease in your universe?

    6. Re: If money is speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just ask the tens of millions of people murdered by communist regimes in the 20th century how great communism is working out for them! Oh, wait, you canâ(TM)t. Theyâ(TM)re dead.

    7. Re:If money is speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and bribes are just an expression of free speech

    8. Re:If money is speech by Agripa · · Score: 1

      If money is speech, corporations have a lot more of it than you do.

      It is not so much that they have more but that their money and interests are concentrated. The same applies to wealthy people.

      A corporation has a great interest in pushing for legislation which taxes the population a small amount and delivers it to the corporation, otherwise known as rent seeking. In many industries, the payoff from this is greater than any other investment a company could make including research and development or capital investment. But the individuals in the population being fleeced have little interest in preventing such small individual losses because it is not worth their effort. In most cases, it is not even worth their effort to become educated about it; they are rationally ignorant.

      This is magnified when candidates for elections are deliberately limited lowering the already marginal influence that voters have. How many politicians does a corporation have to own to control the government? Why buy one politician when you can buy two for twice the price.

  9. Re:I'm a mayoral candidate in NH and against all t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    After reading your post, I'm tempted to move to New Hampshire (sounds like a state for Hobbits though) just so I can vote against you.

  10. I'm sure they have a say but pretty indirect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They gave to the chamber of commerce which gave to a pac, which runs ads for one candidate and not the other. Do you really think Amazon wouldn't want to be a part of the local chamber of commerce? Are we really sure that all of that 350k was part of what the chamber gave to the other pac?

    EIther way I don't see the problem. As long as you allow political donations people will give money as they see fit. If you want to fix it cap the election cycle to say 6 weeks, ban private donations and fund the campaigns from public funds.

    1. Re:I'm sure they have a say but pretty indirect by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      They gave to the chamber of commerce which gave to a pac

      Wrong. They donated directly to the CASE PAC.

      If you want to fix it cap the election cycle to say 6 weeks, ban private donations and fund the campaigns from public funds.

      Who gets public funds? Anyone running? Including Nazis? If Nazis are excluded, then who else is denied funding? If funding is based on poll results or performance in previous elections, then public funding will just protect incumbents.

      Many countries have public funding schemes and none of them seem to work particularly well, nor lead to better government.

    2. Re:I'm sure they have a say but pretty indirect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seattle has a system of public funding (which is too new to apply to this mayor race) where all voters get "Democracy vouchers" which they can use to fund campaigns. They can give them to any registered candidate, even GoodSpaceGuy.

  11. Better deals ... by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... on eBay. Look up a local politician and bid. Or you can click 'Buy it now'.

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    Have gnu, will travel.
  12. Re:I'm a mayoral candidate in NH and against all t by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1

    Posting AC with no links doesn't help your campaign. Why should anyone give you money when you clearly don't know about running for office?

  13. Re: I'm a mayoral candidate in NH and against all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Instead, you should head on down to Venezuela where you and the rest of the comrades can eat rocks and trash because communism produces shortages and you canâ(TM)t get any real food.

  14. I don't care so much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sending $40 to Jenny Durkan in the morning. Two can play at the troll game.

  15. Warning to politicians -- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you think your incumbency could be endangered by another 350K in your opponent's campaign chest, you might not want to lobby for that new Amazon HQ building in your fiefdom.

  16. Amateurs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It only took the Russian's 100k

  17. election limits: spending vs contribution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Considering people's mouths are more or less the same size, no one should be allowed to contribute more money than anyone else.

    It takes more money to be a successful challenger than to be reelected as an incumbent. So limits on spending tend to mean less turnover.

    There's a difference between limits on total spending, and putting limits on what any one person can donate (either in total, or per candidate).

  18. Re:I'm a mayoral candidate in NH and against all t by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 0

    Okay, let me try instead. I'm running for House of Representatives in Maryland's 7th District, and I'm fairly-certain I can win that seat with under $50k--not that it'll be easy, but it's viable. If I can get $25/month commitments out of 100 people, I can probably fund out of my own pocket the rest of the way there; everything else is lifting the hardship off my personal finances and raising my chances of success.

    My major platforms include an end to identity theft; a restructuring of welfare around a Universal Benefit (essentially a dividend of America's productivity) to lower the tax burden, totally-eliminate poverty, and guarantee Social Security's permanent solvency; and a public healthcare option to get healthcare to every American without excessive expense of a single-payer system.

    I lean heavily toward fiscal responsibility, which is why my public healthcare option aims to narrow the $200 billion gap before levying any kind of tax to close it. With the $368B spending on Medicaid covering the poor, we could instead cover 55 million Americans with the average employer healthcare package, or 41 million Americans with zero-deductible healthcare.

    With 70 million Americans without private insurance and an average of 50 million total coverage (with lower-incomes getting no out-of-pocket cost care), that's $185 billion in costs for the remaining full care coverage--although shuffling the numbers in different ways raises or lowers that a bit. Plans to provide a stronger employer healthcare mandate would reduce that price tag; plans to lower healthcare costs in general--such as by reducing generic drug costs--would also lower the cost of insurance. Both approaches mean any tax levied to cover this would be smaller.

    As for identity theft, I plan on passing laws charging regulators to mandate the latest consumer-ready technology for credit issuance. That means low-cost, high-effectiveness. Today, that would be a FIDO U2F authentication with the CRAs: you go to a bank, show a hard ID (driver's license, passport, etc.), and plug your USB U2F device into a computer to establish a Trust relationship with each of the three CRAs.

    That device holds a private encryption key (non-disclosed) used to sign challenges, so it becomes impossible to validate your identity with the CRAs unless you have the device itself--even if you hack the CRA and copy all the information they have about you. If you lose your key, voice-verification with the bank is sufficient to cancel the Trust: you can use your accounts, but can't open new ones until you physically enter a bank once. Otherwise, plug it into your computer or phone when you open a new credit account online so the bank can run a hard credit check with the CRAs.

    Note that the details would be regulatory. Not only is this a good technical solution built in consideration of all identifiable risks, but it also minimizes the mandate by legislation: at most, I want to tell the regulators they must mandate feasible, inexpensive technology following any current standards on security as published by NIST. Note that NIST currently standardizes AES and Triple-DES for encryption, RSA and ECC for digital signatures, and so forth. The point is to ensure the regulation must deprecate an insecure technology when or before NIST says it's insecure, rather than exercising their own judgment.

    Yes, I'm both a technologist (what a word) and a bureaucrat (I actually like project management more than technical work).

    The Universal Benefit (which I might rename to Universal Dividend) is a foundation tying our entire anti-poverty system into one coherent effort. Essentially, I restructured the taxes to involve a 15% tax on all income (business and personal), which is paid out equally among all adults as if one adult represents one share

  19. Re:I'm a mayoral candidate in NH and against all t by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1
    You're doing better than the AC. And I like a lot of your campaign positions.

    But when you're raising money for an election, the real question is why do you think you can win? If you can't win, none of your policy matters. If you can't win, your donors are throwing away their money.

    You are running against an incumbent who has been in politics longer than you've been alive. He won his last election with 74% of the vote and won his last primary with 92% of the vote. If I had to choose between giving $100 to your campaign or spending $100 on Powerball tickets, Powerball seems like better odds. What is your plan to win?

  20. Re:I'm a mayoral candidate in NH and against all t by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 0

    Plans can't win an unwinnable battle, so let's talk about the battlefield first.

    Elijah Cummings won his last primary against a guy whose campaign was a vertical cell phone video where he rants about Elijah Cummings "has not fixed the issue" and that he's going to "go to Congress and get the money". He got 8.9% of the vote.

    It's 25,000 votes to win. That's not a whole hell of a lot of bulk effort. It does mean getting most of the reliable voters (there are only 33,000 registered Democrats who voted in all of the last three primaries, out of around 50,000).

    Elijah has only a few fanatics--and very few in the district. Most of his Facebook followers are all around the country; he has NINE THOUSAND people in District 7 actually interacting with his page (follow, comment, etc.) or posts about Elijah at all, out of 550,000 Moderate to Liberal democratic voters. He hardly communicates with anyone.

    This uphill battle is turning more anti-climactic by the day. Nobody I encounter who isn't a raving Conservative fanatic really dislikes Elijah; he's a great community leader and he really does have the people's best interests at heart--he's just ineffective as all hell, and everybody knows it. The most I get in his favor is a consoling look and the counsel that I have a tough battle ahead of me; usually folks tell me that Elijah just isn't doing anything useful and needs to go, even though they don't think he's a bad guy--just a bad Congressman.

    I actually encountered a political discussion group meeting in an elementary school that had replacing Elijah Cummings as a repeatedly-surfacing concern.

    Do you know what the strategy is for that kind of playing field?

    Name recognition and don't make people hate you.

    I've been knocking on doors. I'm having actual campaign materials printed up. I have a Web site (which is getting some traffic at least). I've got a Facebook page that's getting followers, and I engage my followers; Elijah doesn't engage his, and I respond to his (sparse) posts and get people actually following me--I'm actually canvassing his own territory. I do the same on some radio show social media pages, and on some forums for the Democratic party. I have digital marketing campaigns that are giving me returns now at under 50 cents per click, follower, or whatnot.

    Elijah loses more than 10% of the primary vote to no-names and unkempt fools--not to disparage anyone in particular, but the folks who have against him in recent elections haven't exactly been hard-hitting candidates. You can't even find out anything about these people, about their plans, their positions, anything. Do you really think he has standing power against a competent campaign?

    Sure, he can fight back; the question is: is it too late? Everybody knows who Elijah is. What's he going to do? He can't open his mouth, shout loudly, and hope to get more name recognition; he has to convince people that the Elijah Cummings they know isn't the real Elijah Cummings. He doesn't have anything with which to fight back.

    Will I win? I don't know. Can I win? I can crush this guy; but I can't do it without funding.

  21. Excellent catch --- outstanding post! by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

    Yup, they want Durkan, who has been endorsed by former governors Christine Gregoire and Gary Locke. Why is that important?

    Because Durkan, as a former US Attorney, led a three-year investigation of Washington Mutual in the aftermath of the global economic meltdown, and couldn't find a single action worthy of prosecution, while a 2010 congressional investigation found plenty!

    And the latest FBI stats indicate Seattle leads the nation in property crime (has for quite some time, if we are talking reality here) and that is a result of former governors, Christine Gregoire and Gary Locke, who signed the Interstate Compact on Adult Offenders, bringing in 3 out of every 4 ex-convicts to this region.

    Actions have predictable consequences . . .

  22. And here's a mighty big ($92.2 billion) reason . . by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

    http://www.seattleweekly.com/n... Foreign buyers market of US real estate last year: $92.2 billion.