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Body Camera Giant Wants Police To Collect Your Videos Too (fastcompany.com)
tedlistens shares a report from Fast Company: Axon, the police supplier formerly known as Taser and now a leading maker of police body cameras, has also charged into police software with a service that allows police to manage and eventually analyze increasingly large caches of video, like a Dropbox for cops. Now it wants to add the public's video to the mix. An online tool called Citizen, set to launch later this year, will allow police to solicit the public for photos or video in the aftermath of suspected crimes and ingest them into Axon's online data platform. Todd Basche, Axon's executive vice president for worldwide products, said the tool was designed after the company conducted surveys of police customers and the public and found that potentially valuable evidence was not being collected. "They all pointed us to the need to collect evidence that's out there in the community."
[But] systems like Citizen still raise new privacy and policy questions, and could test the limits of already brittle police-community relations. Would Citizen, for instance, also be useful for gathering civilian evidence of incidents of police misconduct or brutality? [And how would ingesting citizen video into online police databases, like Axon's Evidence.com, allow police to mine it later for suspicious activity, in a sort of dragnet fashion?] "It all depends," says one observer, "on how agencies use the tool."
[But] systems like Citizen still raise new privacy and policy questions, and could test the limits of already brittle police-community relations. Would Citizen, for instance, also be useful for gathering civilian evidence of incidents of police misconduct or brutality? [And how would ingesting citizen video into online police databases, like Axon's Evidence.com, allow police to mine it later for suspicious activity, in a sort of dragnet fashion?] "It all depends," says one observer, "on how agencies use the tool."
They are soo going to be swamped by cat videos and cute kitten pictures :)
I hope CBS sues them for patent infringement.
"Upholding the law is everybody's business."
- Dick Tracy's Crimestopper's Textbook
It's not like there are not scores of public CCTV's already which they can pull from.
I see only a tiny risk to privacy, while at the same time large jump in the ability for investigators to figure out what really happened during a crime.
The video going in through a public portal is even better because that is another layer of tracked data you have to overcome to scrub it in the case of police wrongdoing they want to cover up.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
You keep using that word...
Customer implies it's a relationship with consent and where both parties benefit from a transaction...
It was the Grays Sports Almanac for the last 25 years.
I catch at least two or three or more people doing the absolute dumbest, unsafe things on my dash cam every week. The only reason I even got it was because someone turned left from a center lane and hit my car (going straight, in a straight lane) and then denied they were trying to turn to the police, making me liable for my deduction.
So I'm not talking about people speeding or on their phones or anything, I'm talking about people using turn lanes to pass people and not even slowing down to make right turns on red in front of on-coming traffic. I actually am looking forward to the days of either 100% self driving cars, or everybody having dash cams.
Stupid sexy Flanders.
My first reaction to this story is what will prevent fraud? It has already been proven that editing video and audio is possible to significantly change the story of what has been captured. It might be trivial to add an object to a video such as gun or another bystander that didn't exist. Something to cause confusion or doubt in a court case. Computers can be used to rearrange voice and even learn a voice and be able to make up sounds that didn't exist.
I would hope that appropriate protections exist to prevent this kind of fraud on a body camera. However there is nothing to prevent that from a public video without further expert analysis to somehow prove that the public video is authentic. I think I like the idea, but it will need a lot of authenticity and security considerations.
There is or can be built a machine that can simulate any physical object. -Church-Turing principle
They didn't mean crimes the cops committed, so be sure to send tons of those.
Phones can be identified through the model number, IMEI and service phone number. Photos can be identified through the EXIF 'LocalizedCameraModel', 'BodySerialNumber' and 'CameraOwnerName' tags.
Combine photo tags with cell-phone tower logs to reveal which phone-camera snapped the revealing photo. This will quickly become about identifying the witness for purposes of further questioning.
I'm wondering how they would secure against altered video that implicates the innocent or exonerates the guilty if they are not pulling the video directly from the source. It would break the chain of custody for the evidence. Even if only used in the investigation, the ease with which that investigation could be led off track makes me leery. That and the company proposing it.
Just a note that both citizens of the EU and those of Canada have strong protections for privacy that we signed data treaties to protect, and collecting such video without their express consent at the time of collection is a violation of their rights, and the treaties. In Canada, these are Constitutional Privacy Rights which apply worldwide to all Canadian citizens. Similar constraints apply to various EU nations.
Regardless of one's intentions.
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Additionally, a number of states have strong privacy rights in their State Constitutions, including Washington State (WA), which is why the police, even the feds, are not able to put GPS trackers on vehicles or people in the boundaries of that state, or where they may reasonably be expected to traverse.
Know your rights. Police states are never good.
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Really? CCTV" This is the USA; it's not Britain. (1) There are very few CCTV cameras in the USA. 92) The treasure trove of data/information in citizen's videos would astound you. Videos show all kinds of people -- some innocent and some not -- all the innocents are now in the Police record. (3) Citizen's can video a lot more than the Police. A citizen handing over a video will be giving the LEOs information that they do not have a legal right to have, to view, to use. Camel's nose and all of that.
...and I'm keeping copies, too.
I don't trust a company that got their start selling electrocution torture devices to the government as far as I can throw Michael Moore.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Let me just say I would be more comfortable with the government setting up their own system that "actually" does a public service (supposedly, anyway) by collecting police abuse.
A commercial entity? Laugh out fucking loud. Yeah, at this point with all the leaks it has been proven without doubt they are even less trustworthy than the already demonic abusive government.
I'm blown away with the divergent concerns for privacy and concern for the law.
Videos about police doing anything: ok.
Videos about ordinary people doing anything: not ok.
Concerns for police privacy: none.
Concerns for the privacy of ordinary people: major concern.
> I see only a tiny risk to privacy,
Hard to see much of anything when you deliberate keep your eyes closed.
Its bad enough that the cops have full access to all the bodycam videos while the people recorded on the videos do not. That's an asymmetry that is guaranteed to result in abuse. For example, a cop with stalker tendencies sees a pretty girl during the course of his duties. Goes back, runs facial recog on her image recorded on his bodycam. Then he searches all the other naively submitted public videos looking for clues as to her identity, residence, marital status, etc. That kind of abuse will be just the tip of the iceberg.
Sure, could try to argue that these databases only make it easier to do what could already have been done. But that's no defense at all, if its easier to use these databases to catch criminals its going to be easier to abuse the info too because the tech is neutral as to purpose, it can't tell the difference between stalking and a legitimate investigation.
Just bend over bro. It only hurts for a minute.
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"There are very few CCTV cameras in the USA"
Practically every store has them, many of them in such a location and angle as to be able to see some portion of the outside. Usually focused on the front door. They're so cheap and easy to install that even junk-ass Harbor Freight has 4-camera systems for $200 now days. People are installing Nest cameras and such on their property monitoring the front door - many of those are angled well and can see clearly down the street for good couple hundred yards. It's how were getting recent videos of mail/FedEx/UPS/Amazon/DHL and more THROWING your deliveries.
Try again when you actually leave the basement.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
But these videos all have aliens. Plus Cheeseburger cats run amok. Yeah random videos uploaded into the police video database. Sign me up. /slashdot fortune, Orgies. It's fabulous! We haven't seen anything like it in the last half an hour! -- Macy's
Sounds a lot like Colossus: The Forbin Project to me.
slashdot: A failed experiment.
Wisdom of the Crowd
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6522758/
Inspiring movie about a very similar system of total surveillance. I guess the CEO saw parts of it and thought how neat
Video from the public? And a truly awe-inspiring amount of cheap and easy to use video editors? What could possibly go wrong?
Cops are aware that some people who commit crimes like to inject themselves into the investigation. So offering to help the police will be to instantly make yourself a suspect in the crime. Best not voluntarily get involved in this.
I recently reported a car that had seemingly been abandoned on my street. I knew that if the car had been stolen, been used in the commission of a crime, or if there was a body in the trunk, that the cops would be making a bee line for my door. So I sent the report to the local PD through a remailer.
Given how witnesses of the vegas shooting who TRIED to cooperate with law enforcement got their phones confiscated and returned with everything removed I think the lesson learned is to NOT cooperate with law enforcement at all and just post what you have online as soon as you can in several places and let the public decide. How many times has the story changed by now? I've lost count.
Putting police in sole custody and control of the video is a bad idea, given the history of abuse and coverups in some departments. I'd prefer a non-law-enforcement third party put up a system outside US jurisdiction, and make the submissions viewable by the public. Sort of like a Youtube for crime, except it wouldn't take down "disturbing" videos the way Youtube does. If you go there, you'd know that what you see might be awful.
Wrong.
The data protection treaties only guard data that is transferred or processed between the EU, Canada and the US, not actual people.
People in a foreign country are subject to that countries laws and their own "Constitutional Rights" do not apply. If you are American, try coming into Canada with a gun and telling the border guards all about your "Right to bear arms". Your "Constitutional Rights" end at the border of your country.
There are ton of such cameras, but very few record to a networked database. Isolated CCTV systems are not a huge privacy risk because the effort to search them en mass is great enough that the police can't afford the effort unless its a high profile case.
i remember a while back there was a website that had an ap where you could do a video (and it would live stream a low rez copy if it had a connection) and you could save a report for later.
This site has vanished.