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Justice Department Demands Five Twitter Users' Personal Info Over an Emoji (techdirt.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Techdirt: Back in May, the Justice Department -- apparently lacking anything better to do with its time -- sent a subpoena to Twitter, demanding a whole bunch of information on five Twitter users, including a few names that regular Techdirt readers may be familiar with. If you can't see that, it's a subpoena asking for information on the following five Twitter users: @dawg8u ("Mike Honcho"), @abtnatural ("Virgil"), @Popehat (Ken White), @associatesmind (Keith Lee) and @PogoWasRight (Dissent Doe). I'm pretty sure we've talked about three of those five in previous Techdirt posts. Either way, they're folks who are quite active in legal/privacy issues on Twitter. And what info does the DOJ want on them? Well, basically everything: [users' names, addresses, IP addresses associated with their time on Twitter, phone numbers and credit card or bank account numbers.] That's a fair bit of information. Why the hell would the DOJ want all that? Would you believe it appears to be over a single tweet from someone to each of those five individuals that consists entirely of a smiley face? I wish I was kidding. Here's the tweet and then I'll get into the somewhat convoluted back story. The tweet is up as I write this, but here's a screenshot in case it disappears. The Department of Justice's subpoena is intended to address allegations that Shafer, who has a history of spotting weak encryption and drawing attention to it, cyberstalked an FBI agent after the agency raided his home. Vanity Fair summarizes the incident: "In 2013, Shafer discovered that FairCom's data-encryption package had actually exposed a dentist's office to data theft. An F.T.C. settlement later validated Shafer's reporting, but in 2016, when another dentist's office responded to Shafer's disclosure by claiming he'd violated the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and broken the law, the F.B.I. raided his home and confiscated many of his electronics. Shafer was particularly annoyed at F.B.I. Special Agent Nathan Hopp, who helped to conduct the raid, and who was later involved in a different case: in March, he compiled a criminal complaint involving the F.B.I.'s arrest of a troll for tweeting a flashing GIF at journalist Kurt Eichenwald, who is epileptic. Shafer began to compile publicly available information about Hopp, sharing his findings on Twitter. The Twitter users named in the subpoena had started a separate discussion about Hopp, with one user calling Hopp the "least busy F.B.I. agent of all time," a claim that prompted Shafer's smiley-faced tweet."

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  1. Re:Well... by ckatko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    TL;DR Basically, if you think you had an expectation of privacy to begin with, you're pretty much an idiot.

    Everyone else already knows who you are (see Facebook tracking people WITHOUT facebook accounts!), the people who are trying to stop criminals aren't magically the bad guys--any worse than the corporations who keep and sell your info in the first place.

    You can't leak data that was never gathered. You want privacy, use a service that's actually designed for privacy.

    You want a public forum? You're going to be... in a public forum. With no expectation of privacy.

    We can argue about how it should be in a "perfect world", but in the real world, that's the tradeoff. You either get massive exposure on Twitter, or, communicate with a tight-knit group on something actually secure like Tor, Signal, etc.

    "How dare someone know the things I said in public!" As if telling someone to kill their self on Twitter is some kind of sacred, protected right. (And dear God, is Twitter a big bucket of hatred.)

  2. Re:Well... by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Collecting data might not seem all that harmful but when it is used to create stupidly flimsy search warrants and the agent that hates you is first through the door, hot to shoot anyone for anything (I saw a bulge in his under shorts and when he reached for them, In emptied my magazine three times in order to stop him). Either that or the beat the piss out of you and your family and shoot your pets or they destroy your career with a security warning or they destroy you finances with a drawn out fake arse criminal trial and on it goes. When they go out of control, which it seems in this case they have, they can cause an extreme amount of damage to the people they target and in the end to the taxpayers who pay the fine for their corruption.

    People have every reason for extreme caution when low quality investigative agents, basically incompetents get on them and start fabricating reasons for legal attacks, fo what ever egoistic reasons those agents choose, whether it just be an easy target for career advancement (easy to fabricate evidence out of nothing and they lack the ability to defend themselves), to wanting to screw a particular persons and needing to get someone out of the way, to a straight up ego trip by destroying someone who has offended them.

    US law enforcement is widly out of control, there is every reason to fear any interaction with them and to avoid them as much as possible, they are shite and you people let them turn into shite, by going performance based (more arrest more advancement and better pay, numbers count not quality), specially hiring dumber people rather than smarter people because the dumber people last longer (because they are feeding a power ego trip), cheap ass moronic training (training them to be soldiers on a battlefield rather than police officers), protecting corrupt officers to save on civil suits (totally insane psychopathic capitalism right there). Then not giving a fuck because they will only beat up, kill and falsely imprison the poor because you are not poor (until the make you poor or don't recognise you as rich and treat you like the poor).

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    Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
  3. Re:kiddie translator by sexconker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Some guy went around probing for and disclosing vulnerabilities and pissed off a dentist's office, which then prompted the FBI to raid his house under the computer fraud and abuse act or whatever. Guy claims he was white hat (I don't know if he was or not), but the color of your hat doesn't change the legality of it. I don't know to what extent he actively probed the dentist's office (there were 2, the second one got mad), so he may not be guilty of anything, but the FBI still has to investigate.

    The same FBI agent that raided his house was also involved in the case against the guy who sent a flashing GIF to someone who has epilepsy.

    I believe that somehow gave the first guy (who got raided) the full name of the FBI agent involved in raiding his house. He then went full-retard and started cyber stalking the FBI agent and his family, posting all info he could find via Facebook, Google, etc. onto Twitter. Allegedly he posted shit to their Facebooks as well, but again, I don't know if that's true.

    Then there was a smiley face tweet from 1 person to 4 others (including the cyber stalking guy). The FBI wants info for those 5 accounts. It seems like it's a weak claim from what we can see, as they need to prove intent to kill, harm, or surveil to bring charges. But they don't need to prove that to get the info relevant to the investigation.

    If he (or any of the 4) did such a thing via Facebook or other comments, then this is a non story. There may be DMs (or other accounts, info, etc. related to this shit) between some of them that do include intent to harass the FBI agent and his family. The FBI may suspect this or they may know it but need parallel construction.

    Seeking information relevant to an investigation to out makes sense, assuming whoever issued it decided there was enough reason to ask Twitter for that info (and assuming that a judge looks at everything when Twitter fights it).

    Implicating 5 people based on a smily emoji? No, not at all.
    A guy cyber stalking an FBI agent and his family being closely associated with 4 people? Yup.

    It's likely the FBI is out to get this guy, but I can't really blame them until they do something wrong. They haven't, so far. Even the initial raiding of his house, while shitty, is expected and understandable in the "OH NO HAXERZ" world we live in.

    If they're bringing a case against him for being a white hat and reporting vulnerabilities, that would be wrong.
    If they're end up bringing a case against him for his tweets of public info with no other evidence of intent to kill/harm/surveil/harass, that would be wrong.
    However, if they find evidence of this guy (and any of the others) conspiring to harm or harass or surveil someone? I won't be crying.