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Amazon Tops 540K Employees After Swallowing Whole Foods in $13.7B Deal (geekwire.com)

A reader shares a report: Amazon added a whopping 159,500 employees in the last quarter, pushing its total employment to 541,900 people worldwide, according to new numbers from the tech giant released today. Amazon's headcount grew 77 percent over this time last year, and a big reason for that is the completion of Amazon's blockbuster deal to buy Whole Foods Market for $13.7 billion and the acquisition of e-commerce company Souq. The Whole Foods deal includes 87,000 people who worked at the grocery chain, making up a big chunk of the employment growth this quarter. Even factoring out the acquisitions of Whole Foods and Souq, Amazon's headcount climbed 47 percent over this time last year. "Certainly hiring continues to remain strong, especially in the tech areas and sales force, particularly in AWS," Amazon's CFO Brian Olsavsky said on a call with reporters.

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  1. Great! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Now I can pay ten bucks for a pound of rice that was watered by the bollock sweat of buddhist monks and get it delivered to my door!

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    1. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fanny juice of 100 virgins would be much tastier

    2. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now I can pay ten bucks for a pound of rice that was watered by the bollock sweat of buddhist monks and get it delivered to my door!

      That's the "Whole Paycheck" way! :)

    3. Re:Great! by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

      Now I can pay ten bucks for a pound of rice that was watered by the bollock sweat of buddhist monks and get it delivered to my door!

      To your door? Where have you been? Amazon will deliver through your door and into your house. Joy!

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    4. Re:Great! by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1

      Next year, Amazon Feed Tube service will deliver directly to your stomach.

    5. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They do have a great selection of beer!

    6. Re:Great! by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      I'll wait for the Amazon Intravenous service that will deliver glucose directly to my blood.

    7. Re:Great! by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I'm waiting for Amazon Toilet. Skip the middle man's body entirely.

  2. Question: by sproketboy · · Score: 1

    Why is this allowed?

    1. Re:Question: by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Because "free markets", even if there is no such thing anymore.

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    2. Re:Question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why is this allowed?

      In a free society, things are allowed unless you can argue that they cause harm. What specific harm do you see in Amazon hiring half a million people?

    3. Re:Question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this allowed?

      In a free society, things are allowed unless you can argue that they cause harm. What specific harm do you see in Amazon hiring half a million people?

      You mean besides their well known unhealthy workaholic burnout culture that completely destroys any notion of work-life balance? Amazon would run their workers' lives a bit more if they went back to the days of paying them in company money that's good only at the company store.

      A well paid wage slave is still a slave. Hey in Roman times slaves were sometimes trusted with important business and educational decisions. They were still slaves.

    4. Re:Question: by WrongMonkey · · Score: 2

      Why shouldn't it be?

    5. Re:Question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      People choose to work there in the first place and then choose to stay, certainly having Amazon on your resume is not going to hurt your chances of finding employment at any other company. If it really was a large enough issue, they would be forced to change their culture in order to keep employees.

    6. Re:Question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People choose to work there in the first place and then choose to stay, certainly having Amazon on your resume is not going to hurt your chances of finding employment at any other company. If it really was a large enough issue, they would be forced to change their culture in order to keep employees.

      That's true in a healthy job market where getting another job is relatively easy. When there is massive unemployment and underemployment and the average person is considered lucky to have any job at all, then no, what you said stops being true.

      You really didn't consider the environment in which your viewpoint must play out?

    7. Re:Question: by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2

      "So far so good." said the guy as he fell past the 5th floor window.

      If you follow amazon's research, it's obvious they will have far less than a half a million employees -- and very soon.

      Even without their intense focus on removing the last human step at amazon, it's just natural that in a corporate merger like this all redundant functions will be laid off.

      All fine and good until Amazon achieves a monopoly position. Then it will inevitably turn on the screws as all unregulated monopolies ever have always done.

      But for now.. lower prices, new delivery options, all "so far ... so good."

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    8. Re:Question: by gtall · · Score: 1

      Because when companies get too big, they get too big to fail and the government is left with either putting a bullet in the head of the company or putting a bullet in the head the budget. This is what happened during the last recession, the banks required bailouts. They paid a lot of that back but not all of it. And Congress learned nothing from this. They are now back in the business of removing banking regulations because the poor bankers need their freedom.

      There is another issue, monopoly rules were written for a world of 50 years ago. Now, Amazon wields enough power to waste any industry they choose to enter. It's all "retail" at the local level, right?

    9. Re:Question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Per your comment below you are correct. Amazon is playing the good guy for now. Once they have more power they will do what they want and nobody is there to stop them.

      All fine and good until Amazon achieves a monopoly position. Then it will inevitably turn on the screws as all unregulated monopolies ever have always done.

      But for now.. lower prices, new delivery options, all "so far ... so good."

    10. Re:Question: by lgw · · Score: 1

      What do you think Amazon will have a monopoly on one day? It's about the same size as Walmart in retail, and far better to have 2 such beasts than one!

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    11. Re:Question: by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Sucks to be them...they serve as a warning to the next generation. Don't do what they did...

      If you _need_ your next paycheck, you are a 'wage slave'. If you _need_ your next paycheck, you likely don't have any business on /.

      The price of freedom is financial literacy.

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    12. Re:Question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Lol, you know who hates nothing more than “free markets”?

      Big businesses!
      And precisely those people who yell about “free markets” being so great.

      That's why their corporate oligarchy (which you call by the misnomer "government") of lobbyists work so hard, to regulate it to death, but only in their favor. While the ones losing out, yell "free market!!" but only mean that it isn't in their favor, and they want to regulate it!

    13. Re:Question: by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 1

      Amazon is a huge company, but I don't think you can make a reasonable argument that they are a monopoly. You can name most any product or service they provide, and there is competition. Amazon Web Services - Microsoft Azure Web Services Amazon Marketplace - eBay, Craigslist Amazon Prime Video - Netflix Amazon Prime Music - Pandora Selling goods and services - Target, Walmart, and the local guys. Disclosure: I own shares of AMZN.

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    14. Re:Question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why shouldn't it be allowed?

      Because they have too may employees? Because you don't like Amazon?

    15. Re:Question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sucks to be them...they serve as a warning to the next generation. Don't do what they did...

      If you _need_ your next paycheck, you are a 'wage slave'. If you _need_ your next paycheck, you likely don't have any business on /.

      The price of freedom is financial literacy.

      There simply aren't enough high-paying jobs to go around. Increasing automation will continue to make that worse.

      You remind me of the ones who think all poor people are just lazy. Yes, some are, but viewing absolutely everything through that lens means ignoring some massive systemic problems in our society. I've never seen a massive systemic problem that got fixed by ignoring it. Have you?

    16. Re:Question: by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      You don't need a _high_ paying job to not be a wage slave. You can be a wage slave with a high paying job.

      You have to spend less than you make. It's not that hard, but means you have to give up instant gratification, keeping up with the neighbors etc.

      Not all poors are lazy today, but most were lazy when it mattered. Many of the others are just stupid.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    17. Re:Question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's easy, he's in his gated community so doesn't see the massive systemic problems. He's got his, so screw everyone else.

    18. Re:Question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean besides their well known unhealthy workaholic burnout culture that completely destroys any notion of work-life balance?

      Why don't you make a law against being poor then?
      Because that's basically what you're saying.
      "Amazon is a terrible place to work, even though it's better than where all of their employees used to work. We should make them go back to McDonald's or Wal-Mart".
      Well, you wouldn't say Wal-Mart because I'm sure you hate them too.

      Incidentally, Amazon has been hiring up people from my own place of employment for about the past year. Every other time someone leaves, it's for Amazon and a huge pay increase (for IT work, not driving forklifts or packing boxes).

    19. Re: Question: by loufoque · · Score: 1

      I receive about ten offers of a six-figure salary a week.
      There is plenty of work to go around.

  3. Yay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm so glad that so much power rests with one shitty company. Yay, cant wait for more oligopolies.

    1. Re:Yay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm going shopping today at Fred Meyer, not Whole Foods/Amazon. There are also 2 Alberson's,1 safeway,1 Walmart 2 Asian, 1 Mexican grocery stores within walking distance of my house

      I went to Whole Foods once, it was very expensive (my gf absolutely freaked out over how much I spent for some milk and bread (I was in the area and didn't feel like making another stop on the way home) and had maybe 1/10th the number of people of my regular grocery stores. But it did have a deli selling $10 sandwiches. wtf?

    2. Re:Yay by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      A $10 sandwich at whole foods?

      Must have been one of those fancy mini-sandwiches, you know a 2x2 piece of bread with some butter and a slice of cucumber. Something like that.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  4. I keep looking for the top of the tech bubble... by ErichTheRed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Dotcom Bubble 1.0 was pretty easy to detect the top of...the 1999/2000 Super Bowl ads, pets.com sock puppet and the AOL-Time Warner merger come to mind. I wonder if this transaction will be the top of this one. 540,000 employees in what's basically a conglomerate at this point seems like a lot, and I'm sure they're going to get around to firing as many as they can ASAP.

    I also wonder if Amazon is going to find a way to jettison its low-margin retail business and concentrate on AWS. That's probably the business they want to keep...Internet startups pay them handsomely to run everything IT-related, as do some large companies, and a lot of that is profit. Apple and Google basically create money out of nothing by selling apps and ads and subscriptions, so AWS isn't quite like that but is probably extremely profitable.

    Getting rid of retail, or at least distancing themselves from it, may be the reason Amazon is looking to build a "second headquarters" in a cheaper location. It'll make the employees and/or operating costs cheaper for the low-margin parts of the business while allowing them to build a hipper Microsoft-esque campus in Seattle to compete with Azure. And then when Amazon announces the split, or sale to a hedge fund or something, they can just cut the entire second HQ loose in a package deal. It's funny because cities around the country are bending over backwards begging to have Amazon build there...zero taxes, free utilities, custom-built infrastructure and housing, whatever it takes. It'll suck for whatever jurisdiction gives them the 99-year tax holiday after they fire everyone or the jobs turn out to be back-office drone jobs at slightly over minimum wage instead of hipster developers.

  5. Re:I keep looking for the top of the tech bubble.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they didn't want retail it's odd they bought a chain of grocery stores?

  6. Re:I keep looking for the top of the tech bubble.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not Kroger or Safeway...Whole Foods is the definition of high margin groceries. I think they wanted it to drag more customers in via Prime subscriptions, and show how they can squeeze every single drop of blood out of a supply chain like grocery retailing. Think Whole Foods' warehouses replaced by Amazon's fully robotic warehouses, or at least the ones where they're paying just over minimum wage for warehouse work.

  7. Cuts by danomac · · Score: 1

    So when will they announce job losses?

    1. Re:Cuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So when will they announce job losses?

      You see a story about how a company has well over half a million employees, and gained 150,000 employees last quarter. You complain about job losses.

      Whole Foods was not a viable business. If amazon had not bought them, there is a reasonable chance all their employees would be jobless. If you actually care about people having jobs, complaining about companies who hire hundreds of thousands of people may not be the most productive use of your time.

    2. Re:Cuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't care about people having jobs. I care about companies with 500k workers. That should be illegal. People should not be allowed to work for companies more than a dozen people.

  8. Re:I keep looking for the top of the tech bubble.. by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

    They wanted to get into food delivery. Whole Foods stores are their local warehouses now and they are putting their lockers in them so that people who live in apartments with no lobby security can pick up their deliveries.

  9. Re:I keep looking for the top of the tech bubble.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To help bolster their retail business before spinning it off? You know kinda like how people might spend 10k doing renovations around their house before putting it on the market hoping to increase market value by 20-40k

  10. Great for Amazon by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    How about they fix the crazy sellers who are asking $80 to ship a $5 item to Canada?

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    1. Re:Great for Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about they fix the crazy sellers who are asking $80 to ship a $5 item to Canada?

      You can fix that yourself, by not doing business with them. I doubt very much they have a total monopoly on $5 commodities. Nothing would discourage that better than having them stuck with inventory they can't move. You could also leave one-star reviews on the basis that the offer is a rip-off. That would speed up the process considerably.

      If someone is willing to pay $80 for that, either they're a sucker or they've decided it was worthwhile. Either way that's a market at work.

    2. Re:Great for Amazon by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      You can fix that yourself, by not doing business with them.

      Already doing that. It's a no-brainer.

      I doubt very much they have a total monopoly on $5 commodities.

      On the particular item I wanted to buy, they're the only seller.

      You could also leave one-star reviews on the basis that the offer is a rip-off.

      I tried doing that and my review was not approved on the basis that it was not about the item.

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    3. Re:Great for Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the particular item I wanted to buy, they're the only seller.

      On Amazon? In the entire world? Did you look elsewhere?

      You've gotten me curious: what is this item that is so rare, yet has a $5 value? Is it an electronic component or something like that?

    4. Re:Great for Amazon by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      The $5 value was an arbitrary number I wrote.

      The item is not rare in itself, but they're the only seller for it on Amazon.ca

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  11. Re:I keep looking for the top of the tech bubble.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Amazon jumping +11% since last night, with a P/E ratio of 275... for a company with market cap of ~$500B that's like $50 billion-market-value created out of *nothing* but excitement. Overnight. And Amazon isn't the only one! Even the Fed's QE program wasn't that crazy at creating paper value...

    Bubble? I dunno... this is pets.com 2.0 mentality all over again.

  12. Re:I keep looking for the top of the tech bubble.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And then they read the real estate contracts the bar these activities (see recent articles). They should have done their due diligence if this was their plan. There are restrictions on running a warehouse and/or lockboxes out of a retail joint in both the real estate leases and city codes. The city may roll over but the wal-marts and the targets of the world will push hard on enforcing the lease restrictions.

  13. one share of amazon == one iphone x by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    same price with ny state tax as of this morning...

  14. They need to be broken up by cjonslashdot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They are destroying retail. Perhaps it is inevitable, but it is terrible: retail was the last way that an average person could have their own business - by opening a "shop". Now all the "shops" are going under because everyone buys online. No more shops - just Amazon employees, all working for "the man".

    1. Re:They need to be broken up by WrongMonkey · · Score: 2

      Did you know that small businesses can actually sell on-line,too, often through Amazon? 40% of units sold on Amazon are from third party vendors.

    2. Re:They need to be broken up by cjonslashdot · · Score: 2

      Ah, good point. And eBay as well.

      So we just need to ensure that Amazon (and eBay) cannot dominate - if they dominate then they can set unfair terms. But at least hope is not lost for small businesses.

    3. Re:They need to be broken up by PoopJuggler · · Score: 2

      Why do we need shops?

    4. Re:They need to be broken up by tacokill · · Score: 2

      You vastly overstate their importance. Yes, they are a big company but as a percentage of all retail sales, they are a pimple on the butt of an elephant. Neither them nor Walmart represent anywhere near 10% of retail sales so it's hard to say they even "dominate" retail sales.

      In 2016, total US retail sales were about $5 Trillion. For comparison, Amazon is around $135billion of gross revenue or about 2.7% of retail sales. The other 97.3% is done by others.

      Your mistake is understandable as they receive a lot of press.

    5. Re:They need to be broken up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I laugh sadly when after seeing an item by a 3rd party on amazon it is (much) more when ordered directly on thier site. They are cutting thier own throats.

    6. Re:They need to be broken up by gtall · · Score: 2

      Your mistake is thinking they will be happy with owning less than all of retail.

    7. Re:They need to be broken up by cjonslashdot · · Score: 1

      Interesting.

      Still, it seems they are having a large impact. I am puzzled by the numbers. Malls are closing, and non-mall retail is struggling even more than before.

      Hard to reconcile these things - I must be missing something.

    8. Re:They need to be broken up by imidan · · Score: 2

      In my town, Walmart drove a lot of the local shops out of business years before Amazon got big. Other shops have closed as they became obsolete... the last travel agency in town just closed last year. But there are still plenty of locally owned businesses, especially those that provide services. Restaurants, bars, cafes; salons and spas; gyms and theaters, etc.. Independents can still survive, but it makes sense to run a business that doesn't directly compete with Amazon or Walmart.

    9. Re:They need to be broken up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can buy shares in Amazon and share in their prosperity. I can't buy shares in an overpriced "mom & pop" store. Moreover, I can get a job at Amazon, meanwhile "mom & pop" shops only hire their relatives or ethnic group.

    10. Re:They need to be broken up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most sales are still conducted through physical stores, 90% versus 10% for online sales. Although Amazon controls about 50% of online sales, I don't see how they are destroying retail when they represent 5% of total sales.

    11. Re:They need to be broken up by dj245 · · Score: 1

      They are destroying retail. Perhaps it is inevitable, but it is terrible: retail was the last way that an average person could have their own business - by opening a "shop". Now all the "shops" are going under because everyone buys online. No more shops - just Amazon employees, all working for "the man".

      For most of history, the rich had enormous power and wealth compared to the peasants. The 18th-20th centuries were sort of an anomaly in the way ordinary citizens gained wealth and power. The world is headed back towards extreme inequality.

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    12. Re:They need to be broken up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So we can actually inspect the shit that we're buying before we're buying that shit.

      Buying online is by definition buying the cat in the bag.

      Now yes, at least in the EU, you can send it back under X days, and are guaranteed to get your money back... if the shop doesn't pull any shady shit.
      But you're still stuck with the costs of transport for at least one way, no matter if you wanted that dead cat or not.

    13. Re:They need to be broken up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends where you live. I see foot traffic in stores all the time in the SF Bay Area and Los Angeles Metro. There are lots new projects happening up and down El Camino from San Jose to Palo Alto. They tore down an old strip mall near me in Santa Clara that had two large vacant stores and put in a Target with lots of smaller stores and that parking lot is always full. The same thing is happening in Los Angeles with numerous new projects. Their downtown is being revitalized.

      If anything, Walmart is the one that changed the retail landscape especially for small and rural towns. In the suburban and urban cities, I see a vibrant retail landscape.

    14. Re:They need to be broken up by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      All that people want anymore are cell phones.

    15. Re:They need to be broken up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until Walmazon decides to get into that business too.

      Psychologically, the problem is the same as with countries of the size of current ones: We're so far above dunbar's number, that not only the organizational units themselves are too far above Dunbar's number, but the chain from top to bottom itself becomes too big to handle in the brain's active memory!
      This makes it impossible to empathize with the others, because you cannot see them as individual people anymore. But merely as groups. Groups of meta-groups, so vast, you don't see the trees, but only the forest.
      And thaat gives psychopaths a massive strategical advantage. It breeds them like crazy.

      This is the root problem of this whole mess. Overpopulation, basically.

      But don't worry. In nature, all such processes are self-limiting. Either through resources running out, or with a massive explosion/implosion that ends the thing.
      So whether humanity steps on the brake, or on the accelerator... they're going down. lol

    16. Re:They need to be broken up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I think that small shops are the only way to compete against Amazon. It is destroying large stores (chains and such), but little boutiques and such are like the small mammals that flourished in the age of megafauna (like dinosaurs).

      All the chain bookstores are gone; the only ones I know of are indies and used bookstores. Toy stores are going away, with the exception of indies.

      Really, if you want to open up a shop, you just have to make it different enough to not directly compete with Amazon.

      dom

    17. Re:They need to be broken up by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 2

      Let's see. I did return something I bought on Amazon a while back. I opened a ticket to return the item online. I received instructions that I could either download and print a pre-paid UPS shipping label or drop it off at one of their "Amazon Locker" locations. I opted for the latter. I put the item in the box, put it in the locker, and got a refund. Where is the problem?

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    18. Re:They need to be broken up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are destroying retail. Perhaps it is inevitable, but it is terrible: retail was the last way that an average person could have their own business - by opening a "shop". Now all the "shops" are going under because everyone buys online. No more shops - just Amazon employees, all working for "the man".

      The following local businesses I frequent disagree:
      - Dry Cleaning
      - Barber
      - Greenhouse Nursery (sorry, internet flowers aren't the same thing)
      - Lawn/Garden service
      - HouseCleaning service
      - Craft Beer Store
      - Coffee Shop + Local Bakery
      - Any number of restaurants
      - Mechanic
      - etc.

      I agree with you "retail" is a tough market to enter these days for a large or small business. HOWEVER, that does not mean small businesses are fundamentally disappearing. The average person can still open their own small business quite easily.

    19. Re:They need to be broken up by cjonslashdot · · Score: 1

      ;-) And soon all they will want is brain implants to connect them to the matrix (willingly).

    20. Re:They need to be broken up by tacokill · · Score: 1

      What difference does that make? Seriously. Are we forcing companies to think a certain way now? How about we let the market decide and if it becomes a real problem instead of an imaginary problem....then we can act.

    21. Re:They need to be broken up by DogDude · · Score: 1

      Did you know that Amazon takes 30% of the total cost, including shipping, making selling anything but the most absurdly marked up items completely unprofitable?

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  15. Re:I keep looking for the top of the tech bubble.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They already have amazon lockers in malls in NYC. How is that different from in a Whole Foods? Oh boohoo some shitty berg owned by Walmart will ban this, too bad. The people that live in the middle of no where don't have any money anyways or they wouldn't live in the middle of nowhere.

  16. Re:I keep looking for the top of the tech bubble.. by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Um, Amazons stock price "jumped" 11% because they announced a $0.52EPS vs $0.03 estimates. They are making huge profits.

  17. Hiring like crazy. AWS is only 10% of Amazon by raymorris · · Score: 2

    > I'm sure they're going to get around to firing as many as they can ASAP.

    Did you notice in the summary it said Amazon has 47% MORE employees than they did a year ago, even not counting the aquisitions? They're hiring like crazy. They're working hard and finding more people to hire, running radio ads in my city.

    > I also wonder if Amazon is going to find a way to jettison its low-margin retail business and concentrate on AWS.

    AWS is only 10% of Amazon's business. A very successful 10%, but only 10%. Amazon didn't buy it's own fleet of delivery trucks this year in order to not use them.

  18. Re:I keep looking for the top of the tech bubble.. by gtall · · Score: 2

    I don't think you get Amazon. They exist to own as much of any market as they can. It doesn't have to be a standalone success, it only needs to feed the mothership in terms of control. If something isn't so critical now, Amazon will hang on to it and find a way to fit it into a larger scheme later.

  19. What if everyone stopped using Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I rarely use Amazon. I try to buy everything from small mom and pop shops even if that means paying a little extra. Could someone explain to me in layman terms what would happen if everyone stopped buying through amazon. What would this process look like? Would the stock slowly dip the next month? How fast would this monolithic empire crumble? I feel Amazon is a great service, but I do not like concentrating power in the hands of ONE GUY. Jeff Bezos seems like a great guy, don't get it twisted, but I feel this company has way too much power. In addition, if they put all these other retailers out of business, people will be forced to find other jobs or straight up work for Amazon. Amazon is touching every business it seems. Today they are now going aiming for Pharmaceuticals. What if people just spent a little more for what they need?

    1. Re:What if everyone stopped using Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you whine this much when Walmart rolled through town and killed all the dirty overpriced bodegas?

    2. Re:What if everyone stopped using Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whining is not the right word fucktard. Let me add asshole that one day this company might have too much control if it doesn't already. They will be able to do whatever the fuck they want if they don't already. Does this make your cheap ass concerned? I'd like to smack you coward.

    3. Re:What if everyone stopped using Amazon by lgw · · Score: 1

      Let me add asshole that one day this company might have too much control if it doesn't already. They will be able to do whatever the fuck they want if they don't already. Does this make your cheap ass concerned?

      Amazon has better customer service than any place I shop in person, at least when Amazon is the seller (dodgy 3rd-party sellers are a problem, though). Why would I be concerned about that?

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    4. Re:What if everyone stopped using Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if people just spent a little more for what they need?

      I don't shop at Amazon for the price - I shop for the convenience. If you can replicate that locally - I'll be glad to change. Local businesses that DO offer greater convenience get my money.

    5. Re:What if everyone stopped using Amazon by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      You only pay a little bit more shopping local?

      Your time must be almost worthless.

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    6. Re:What if everyone stopped using Amazon by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Because it could change at any moment. Step 6 of corporate growth is to get a ruthless cost-cutter in to appease the shareholders. At that point it would be too late to salvage any of the businesses they steamrolled.

    7. Re:What if everyone stopped using Amazon by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Or maybe getting out of the basement is good for you.

    8. Re:What if everyone stopped using Amazon by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I love getting out of home, but I hate being in shitty florescent light
      I much prefer the local parks m

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    9. Re:What if everyone stopped using Amazon by lgw · · Score: 1

      Nothing lasts forever, but customer service is central to Amazon corporate culture, so all the senior management would need to change. If you follow the stock, you know Bezos only barely cares about keeping the stockholders happy by being profitable. Sure, one day, maybe, but worse than Walmart? Seems unlikely.

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    10. Re:What if everyone stopped using Amazon by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Just remember Wal-Mart when Sam Walton was around. It was definitely a different picture. Yes, it will take a while. But by then, the competition will be long gone.

    11. Re:What if everyone stopped using Amazon by lgw · · Score: 1

      But by then, the competition will be long gone.

      Also seems unlikely - Amazon is smaller than Walmart, and something less than 10% of retail. It's a big player, to be sure, but even if it doubled a couple of times would be far from a monopoly.

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  20. Re:I keep looking for the top of the tech bubble.. by swillden · · Score: 2

    If they didn't want retail it's odd they bought a chain of grocery stores?

    It's also odd that they are building their own distribution network, to replace UPS.

    I think it's clear that Amazon has absolutely no intention of getting out of retail.

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  21. Re:I keep looking for the top of the tech bubble.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And that profit is coming from cloud services, not retail.

  22. That's the bit of capitalism that's evil: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Creating money out of nothing.

    Which means, you get power to make people actually work for you, but you did no work yourself, nor did anybody else, to give that money actual worth. [Case A] (Unless they did the same, of course.) Which is equivalent to making people give you money, but not do any work in return. [Case B]

    The next level, is of course, to create money out of nothing, using other people's resources. [Case C]

    Case A is called "profit" by the way.
    Case B is called theft (or fraud, or robbery if with force, or usury if only for a part of it).
    And case C is called banking.

    (Because banks can take $8 your, and legally lend out $100 to you, of which the other $92 were just made up from thin air, [demanding that you pay them back $100 + 8% of what you paid last year per year or month, even though that means that you need to take it from somebody else, who then won't have that money to pay back his debt.])

  23. Re:I keep looking for the top of the tech bubble.. by lgw · · Score: 2

    I also wonder if Amazon is going to find a way to jettison its low-margin retail business and concentrate on AWS.

    That sure happened a lot right before the dot-com bust. Most companies that jettisoned a cash cow to focus on Growth! went under, but most of the cash cows survived. (My favorite, Agilent, is now worth twice what it was worth when HP dumped it, while HP swirls the drain). The only smart one was AOL, who used their over-valued junk stock to buy a cash cow.

    The Amazon leadership was around for the dot bust. They all saw that stuff happen. Seems unlikely they'll repeat that particular mistake. In fact, they seem to have just bought another large retail business. Funny, that.

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  24. Swallowing food whole by brandon.lisik · · Score: 1

    is bad for digestion.