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Entrepreneurial Space Age Began In 2009, Says Report (arstechnica.com)

"In July 2009, SpaceX launched its first commercial payload -- a 50kg Earth observation satellite for Malaysia -- which flew into space aboard a privately developed rocket," reports Ars Technica. "According to a new space investment report that will be published Tuesday by the Space Angels, an angel fund and a venture capital fund focused on space, which marked a key inflection point between the "governmental" space age and the "entrepreneurial" space age." From the report: "With that launch, SpaceX significantly lowered the barriers to entry in the space industry," the fund's chief executive, Chad Anderson, writes in the new report. "By vertically integrating, the company was able to drastically reduce the cost to get to orbit. But what deserves at least as much credit is their decision to publish their pricing, which fundamentally changed the way we do business in space. This transparency enabled would-be space entrepreneurs to develop a business plan and raise equity financing based on those cost assumptions."

From 2009 through September 2017, the report finds that $12 billion in equity investments have been made in space, with annual amounts increasing significantly in 2015 and beyond to more than $2 billion per year. At $10 billion, launch services, landers, and satellites have accounted for the bulk of this investment since 2009. Aside from the SpaceX launch that year, other data supports the year 2009 as the beginning of an entrepreneurial space age in which the private sector began making investments to return profits from space-based activities. About 250 space ventures have received non-government equity funding, the report states, and, of those, 88 percent have been funded since 2009.

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  1. Re: Earth is flat. Accept it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This comment is no less retarded than the article. I didn't think we could get lower here

  2. Take that Karl Marx by batukhan · · Score: 1

    That's pretty cool, i never thought about that. I guess until then, all space flights were one-off deals with no room for bargaining. Goes to show the difference between state financing and capitalism.

    1. Re:Take that Karl Marx by AC-x · · Score: 2

      We have yet to find a system for maximizing usefulness and minimizing suffering that is actually compatible with human psychology.

      I'd say The Nordic model does a good job of it.

    2. Re:Take that Karl Marx by Baron_Yam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >Psychopathic capitalism will deliver us nothing but extinction.

      You need to put down your manifesto, because you're frothing at the mouth as badly as the 'capitalism is not just the best solution, it is the only solution' crowd.

      Capitalism has delivered incredible economic growth and technological advancement to the human race, as it is the only large scale economic system we've developed so far that rewards individual effort.

      Having said that, it has no inherent controls against parasitic actors abusing the system to benefit themselves at the expense of the rest of the population. That is where a democratic government implementing regulations comes in, and the success of that government and its regulations will determine how well society as a whole benefits from being fundamentally capitalist.

    3. Re:Take that Karl Marx by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      >Psychopathic capitalism will deliver us nothing but extinction.

      Capitalism has delivered incredible economic growth and technological advancement to the human race,

      Nothing but extinction is perhaps inaccurate. It has brought us many things, and it will also bring us extinction.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    4. Re:Take that Karl Marx by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      And it's coming apart at the seams now that they've let immigrants in their nice country. A pity.

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      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    5. Re:Take that Karl Marx by AC-x · · Score: 1

      [citation needed]

    6. Re:Take that Karl Marx by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      While I'm sure the Nordic model works quite well for them, it's unlikely to do the same here. This mainly has to do with enormous cultural differences between us and them; namely we have a mentality of abusing welfare benefits to an extreme. (Case in point, look at the percentage of the population on disability 50 years ago vs today...there's no other reason why there are twice as many now than in the past, especially given newer technology has made it even easier for disabilities to be cured or for people to be able to work around their disabilities, and that it's now illegal for employers to discriminate based on disability.)

      Another example of cultural problems in the US: Many countries have very liberal gun laws, (Canada, Switzerland, and some Nordic countries) and they don't have nearly the problems we do. This mainly comes from the "gangsta" culture where too many teenagers fantasize about growing up to be a drug dealer, a pimp, a musician, or an athlete, and nothing else, but all two often the later two just turn into something close to the first two. Hell, until 2010, Swiss citizens were required by law to own a fully automatic rifle; after 2010 it just became optional, but either way they can own better firearms than Americans are allowed, meanwhile they are among the lowest in the world when it comes to violent crime.

    7. Re:Take that Karl Marx by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Put on your scientist hat on and look at history like actual scientists and historians have done. The profession consensus is that the link between capitalism and success outside of the expansion of capitalism, i.e. technological or social progress, is a correlation, not a causation.

      Where the fuck are you getting this from? Some communist blog/forum? Newsflash: Capitalism has allowed technology to scale at an exponential rate due to private citizens investing massive amounts of money toward that end; this is not a coincidence. Hell, the Soviet Union, for all of the resources it had at its disposal to improve its military technology, was still using vacuum tubes in its fighter jets when the US had moved to integrated circuits long before. The same integrated circuits that were made practical for mass production in 1958 by three US companies, and that now power most of the technology we enjoy today.

      Here's a bit of data that should drive the point home, especially when correlated with countries that have come from some other system to capitalism.

      https://www.gapminder.org/tool...

      Take a look at China for example; the government began adopting capitalist practices around 1980, and not long after that (roughly 1988,) you see their bubble quickly heading in the direction of higher average purchasing power (shown in that chart as income.) Granted, China had an enormous pile of untapped labor, that doesn't erase the fact that prior to these changes, such labor couldn't have ever been tapped because nobody could invest into the needed infrastructure (not even the government could.)

      Hans Rosling (scientist, by the way) explains this data rather well:

      https://www.ted.com/talks/hans...

      And chances are, you score worse than the monkeys in this test:

      https://www.ted.com/talks/hans...

      By the way, until he died, he dedicated his career to educating academics, and to a lesser extent, people like you:

      rather than generating data, Rosling has spent the past two decades communicating data gathered by others. He relays facts that he thinks many academics have been too slow to appreciate and argues that researchers are ignorant about the state of health and wealth around the world. That’s dangerous. “Campuses are full of siloed people who do advocacy about things they don’t understand,” he says.

      http://www.nature.com/news/thr...

      Communists/socialists here on slashdot always like to slam capitalism as if there's a much better way to go, but we've honestly been there and tried those, and they're all crap. They don't understand, at all, that the world is doing nothing but improving, as the data there very clearly shows. And contrary to popular belief, "megacorps" (as they're often described here, as if this is a cyberpunk novel) are a lot less powerful than they were in ages past. The first publicly traded corporation to exist the Dutch East India Company, at its peak had a net worth of $7 trillion in today's dollars back in 1675. Let that sink in for a minute. They also had the power to raise armies, declare war, jail and execute people who didn't pay their bills, and they had the largest monopoly the world has ever seen. As time has gone on, we've seen this power continually decrease, whereas right now the biggest companies have no martial powers at all, and the number of monopolies that exist is getting smaller and smaller, and the ones that remain have very tiny impact compared to the ones that existed in the past.

    8. Re:Take that Karl Marx by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Nothing but extinction is perhaps inaccurate. It has brought us many things, and it will also bring us extinction.

      And how did you draw that conclusion? We've only seen capitalism do the exact opposite:

      https://www.ted.com/talks/hans...

      https://www.gapminder.org/tool...

      Nobody says capitalism is perfect. In fact, it's analogous to democracy: Many problems, but the best system we've ever come up with. Unless you have a better idea (communism and socialism have been soundly proven to be big giant flops) then what the hell are you ranting about? Let's see if you can come up with a better idea than democracy too while you're at it.

    9. Re:Take that Karl Marx by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      And how did you draw that conclusion? We've only seen capitalism do the exact opposite:

      Uh, no. And also no.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    10. Re:Take that Karl Marx by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      while they refuse to acknowledge the many lives lost and money spent on mistakes that had to be made by those that they despise- Governments.

      For rockets? Wrong! Those lives lost were deliberate. The first rockets capable of putting objects in space had already existed by 1944, a whole 13 years before Sputnik, and they were built by Nazi Germany as a way to bomb other European cities. The US (via Wernher von Braun and others who deliberately surrendered to the US) and the USSR (via kidnapping many German scientists and capturing a V-2 rocket manufacturing plant) only refined them afterwards.

      They are not attempting to go all Jules Verne by shooting Astronauts into Space by Cannon, because that was sorted out long as being, at the least, noisy and uncomfortable. They are not trying to fly Biplanes to the Moon. They are just appropriating all that knowledge for themselves and claiming it as their own, because they are the fittest.

      Oh boy...you're in for a history lesson. The father of modern rocketry, Robert Goddard, was using his own private funds to develop the first liquid rockets (with many costly mistakes along the way,) and he was the one who proved that it was possible to reach outer space with rocketry. While he later received grants from a few non-profit entities (one in particular being the Smithsonian Institute) to further develop it merely for the curiosity of it, he ultimately profited off of selling his knowledge to the US Army.

      No matter how you try to spin this, that is as common a case as any of man being an entrepreneur.

      While I'm sure that will anger your monkey brain and you'll start saying "but but...NASA!", there's more to that as well. Much of the technology used for putting a man in space, and the moon landing, was made possible by technologies previously developed in the private sector. The most important technology by far was the integrated circuit, which was made practical by 3 US companies in 1958, and again was an entrepreneurial effort.

      Capitalism is doing its thing again, only this time it is making spaceflight far more practical by bringing the costs way down...all with the intent of driving a profit. SpaceX may or may not make it that long; who knows, but it's unlikely that governments will take its place if it should fall any time soon. Governments aren't going to be the entities pushing for space tourism, or mining extraterrestrial objects for materials (like say...nickel...) especially when they have practically unlimited funds to acquire resources for their own projects that only a handful of people ever get to use due to the high cost involved, so they don't worry about discarding expensive rockets after just one use as opposed to recycling them.

      And this time, you have at least three major entrepreneurs making efforts towards this end. So much for your (rather brain dead) cannibalism theory. It's actually rather funny watching heads explode in subreddits and internet forums dedicated to socialism and communism over this topic, many of them are left with no choice at all but to admit that SpaceX is already doing rather impressive things that no governments had ever even imagined doing.

    11. Re:Take that Karl Marx by AC-x · · Score: 1

      But what if those problems are actually caused by the economic problems associated with laissez-faire capitalism? Certainly these problems seem to have been growing since the 80s after America moved to a much more unrestrained economic model.

    12. Re:Take that Karl Marx by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Oh man, did you ever prove my point! You ignored all of my other examples of "Government Entrepreneurship" to trot out the V2 Rocket... which was developed by a Government, and further developed by two more Governments. Godard's experiments were pretty much ignored by Private Industry until decades after his early work... largely funded by the Smithsonian, which is hardly private.

      Yes, they further developed it; I never denied this. But the invention really, truly, started with an entrepreneur.

      ICs... bozo, research first, blather away second. Initial research was conducted for the British Government, and was further developed and funded by the US Government, especially the work of Kilby at TI:

      Try reading my post again.

      No Army and Air Force, no Funding, no IC. At least not at that time. The IC was developed initially for the Governments, something that you can't dispute, because the weight of evidence crushes your delusions.

      Perhaps try reading your own link: The government did not fund it, rather they were the first customer. I think your bad reading comprehension is probably why you're uneducated, which explains why you're a commie bastard.

      Now as for Cannibalism... do spend some time looking into the history of the Telegraph, and especially the history of the Transatlantic Cables. Every single "Entrepreneur" failed, often in a period of just a year or two, only to be gobbled up by successors, who also failed, only to be gobbled up again.

      Hate to break it to you, but this isn't cannibalism. If the management fails at one company, and another company effectively takes over and then succeeds, that's just progress. Your socialist governments do the same thing, by the way, only they execute the former management in many cases. Cannibalism would be more akin to outright stealing somebody else's ideas, which your vaunted socialist governments did all the time.

      And by the way, have you ever asked yourself why people are always wanting to leave socialist states, and why socialist states always have to build fences and shoot their own people who try to escape?

      And they did it all by their itty-bitty-wittle selves, taking a Clean Room approach, and ignoring the decades of Research conducted by... Ta Dum!... Governments!

      Actually, yes, they came up with the recyclable rocket engine concept themselves.

      Wrong yet _again_

      That isn't a valid comparison...at all. Those rockets first of all didn't even go half way to the Karman line, which is why they were able to be landed with a parachute, and why they didn't put up with anywhere near the amount of atmospheric abuse that the Falcon 9 does, because the Falcon 9 goes ALL THE WAY up to the Karman line, with a bonus in that it does it with liquid fuel as opposed to the shuttle booster's solid fuel. But in spite of that, the shuttle booster rockets weren't really all that reusable as thousands of the parts had to be refurbished, and some of the more expensive parts were outright destroyed. In fact, the whole reason the Shuttle program was abandoned to begin with was because it wasn't anywhere near as reusable as it was planned to be, and each flight costed in the 1.5 billion dollar range per launch in most cases. For comparison, NASA's SLS rockets have an estimated cost of about 500 million per launch even though none of them will be reusable.

      Here's some factoids about SpaceX's current rockets:
      - Their components are so reusable that they can have them ready to launch again in under 24 hours with very little in the way of refurbishment, and their current goal is to be able to reduce that to less than half of a day. In fact, the re-usability is so good that almost all of the cost to re-use the rocket is spent on fuel alone.
      - The retail cost of a Falcon 9 rocket launch is roughly $62 million, and with a reused rocket that has been lower

    13. Re:Take that Karl Marx by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      While you were coming up with that, did you stop at all to think about how many very non-capitalist countries are the worst offenders here? Iran, whose economy is 60% centrally planned (which is a wet-dream-come-true in your case) holds the #1 most polluted city in the world, with many other either pure socialist or mostly socialist countries not far behind them. For comparison, the US, which is arguably the most capitalist country in the world, doesn't even have a single city that falls within the top 1,000 polluting cities in the world.

      What an epic fail on your part. You aren't very good at thinking, you know. It's best to leave that to the competent people.

      As war profiteering, you realize much of this has nothing to do with weapons, right? Even your own link says so. But let's stay on this subject, now that you've brought it up: Which country focused the most effort on building high powered nuclear weapons? (Hint: It wasn't a capitalist one.) And speak of weapons:

      http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/30/...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Though I could go on forever; in fact Russia alone does many of these in tandem for different military branches.

      But what's the first Google result on this for America?

      https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHi...

      I pity those with weak minds like yours...they always end up being somebody's useful idiot.

    14. Re:Take that Karl Marx by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      But what if those problems are actually caused by the economic problems associated with laissez-faire capitalism?

      First off, we don't have laissez-faire capitalism. Second off, these problems have little to do with economics, in fact we've already tried throwing lots of money at these kinds of people, and it didn't work. We've even tried building lower income homes in affluent areas where it's considerably easier to find better paying work, and all it does is move the problem from one place to another.

      Certainly these problems seem to have been growing since the 80s after America moved to a much more unrestrained economic model.

      It's interesting that you say this, because things have only been improving. Pick any metric you want:

      - Birth rates are lower
      - Life expectancies are higher
      - Wealth is higher across the board, poor and rich
      - Violent crime rates are going down (Fun fact: Fewer people die of public mass shootings in the US than in many prominent welfare-friendly European countries, even though when they happen in Europe, nobody seems to debate much about increased gun control: https://www.thejacknews.com/la...)
      - Suicide rates are decreasing overall (with the exception being middle aged white people, but the overall suicide rates are still going down in spite of that.)

      So if we follow your assertion, then a more unrestricted economic model is improving life for Americans. The reality is much more nuanced than that, but you're the idiot who made this statement.

    15. Re:Take that Karl Marx by AC-x · · Score: 1

      First off, we don't have laissez-faire capitalism

      But you can't deny it's a lot more laissez-faire than the Nordic model.

      Second off, these problems have little to do with economics, in fact we've already tried throwing lots of money at these kinds of people, and it didn't work.

      What's that? Just throwing money at a problem without actually changing the underlying socioeconomic model that caused the issue in the first place doesn't fix the problem? Who could have predicted??

      It's interesting that you say this, because things have only been improving. Pick any metric you want:

      I can pick 5 things straight off the bat that haven't been improving:

      1. Cost of housing.

      2. Healthcare costs.

      3. Income inequality. The majority of wages have stagnated while only those at the top have seen their wages increase. Stagnant wages combined with increasing the living costs above is leaving far more lower and middle income families in a precarious position.

      4. Incarceration rate.

      5. Maternal mortality rate.

      So if we follow your assertion, then a more unrestricted economic model is improving life for Americans. The reality is much more nuanced than that, but you're the idiot who made this statement.

      Your assertion that things have been improving across the board is demonstrably wrong and there is clearly plenty of room for improvement.

    16. Re:Take that Karl Marx by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      But you can't deny it's a lot more laissez-faire than the Nordic model.

      How little you know.... http://www.heritage.org/index/...

      For a little background, that site favors less regulation when it comes to the economy, and if they didn't like a particular country's state of regulation, you'd see it show up. Having said that, they do a pretty thorough job in their measurements, and you can poke through their data if you'd like. As you can plainly see, it places the Nordic countries as being roughly the same as the US.

      You've obviously never tried to run a business before if you think the US is AT ALL laissez-faire.

      What's that? Just throwing money at a problem without actually changing the underlying socioeconomic model that caused the issue in the first place doesn't fix the problem? Who could have predicted??

      And what about the socioeconomic model is different in their case? It's really all the same thing.

      I can pick 5 things straight off the bat that haven't been improving:

      1. Cost of housing [inflationdata.com].

      This doesn't tell you much. The cost of housing has always varied depending on what incomes look like in any given region. What matters, depending on how you look at it, is either the housing opportunity index or the housing affordability index. The HOI, which roughly measures what your mortgage rate would be vs your income, currently sits roughly where it was between 1990 and 2003 at about 60. It went down to about 40 during the 2006 bubble, and went up to around 75 when the market bottomed out, and then has returned back to 60. The HAI measures how affordable the median house price is for the average household, with 100 normalized to mean that the average household has exactly enough income to afford the median priced house. Right now, that index sits at 150ish, which means that the average household makes 50% more than enough to afford the median priced house in their region, though around 2011 it was much higher, but again, this was after the housing crash.

      So to put it another way, while housing prices are in fact up, they're no less affordable.

      https://www.nahb.org/en/resear...
      https://fred.stlouisfed.org/se...

      In other words, it's very much a moot point.

      2. Healthcare costs [killingthebreeze.com].

      /facepalm That's not health care costs, that's health care spending.

      And if you bother to pay attention, you'll notice that it's increasing globally, practically in lock-step. And the cause of this isn't what you no doubt think it is based on your comment about housing (increased pricing) rather it's because people are adopting bad habits, i.e. being more sedentary, consuming more alcohol, sugar, etc. And this has nothing at all to do with lower incomes or anything like that, rather it's because of the opposite: They can afford be more sedentary, afford more booze, and afford more twinkies. This is one of those things that could be fixed by behavioral/cultural changes, not socioeconomic ones.

      Oh, and there's this:

      http://www.washington.edu/news...

      3. Income inequality [forbesimg.com]. The majority of wages have stagnated while only those at the top have seen their wages increase. Stagnant wages combined with increasing the living costs above is leaving far more lower and middle income families in a precarious position.

      I found the Bernie fan! But actually this is highly misleading, and in many ways its an outright farce. I'll show you some hard numbers later, but first, I'm going to give you a lesson in economics:

    17. Re:Take that Karl Marx by AC-x · · Score: 1

      How little you know.... http://www.heritage.org/index/...

      You obviously haven't looked at that site beyond the colors you see when you land on the home page have you? If you drill down the specific figures you'll see that there are actually large differences between the US and Scandinavian countries; Scandinavian countries have higher tax, higher government spending, better fiscal health and lower "labor freedom".

      That matches exactly what I've been saying, the fact the site averages all those out to the same arbitrary "overall score" is irrelevant.

      You've obviously never tried to run a business before if you think the US is AT ALL laissez-faire.

      Not in the US no, but given what large companies over there are able to get away with compared to most other western countries there's clearly a lack of oversight.

      1. Cost of housing [inflationdata.com].

      This doesn't tell you much. The cost of housing has always varied depending on what incomes look like in any given region. What matters, depending on how you look at it, is either the housing opportunity index or the housing affordability index.

      So in terms of *buying*, using a certain methodology shows house affordability has been stable since the 90s (well after the policies I'm criticizing had been enacted). On the other hand rent has increased dramatically, especially for those in the lower 3rd of incomes. And no, wages haven't grown to fill that gap.

      /facepalm That's not health care costs, that's health care spending.

      Lol, there's no magic money tree, that money is coming from somewhere.

      And if you bother to pay attention, you'll notice that it's increasing globally, practically in lock-step.

      1980: Sweden: $942 / Switzerland: $1013 / USA: $1091
      2008: Sweden: $3470 / Switzerland: $4627/ USA: $7538

      That is not in "lock-step" by a long shot, US spending has increased considerably more than the 2 next nearest countries.

      I found the Bernie fan!

      Found the trickle down believer!

      In reality, when you increase your income, you've increased somebody else's wealth. How? Well, people pay you for something they want or need, and when you create what they want or provide a service that they want or need, you are creating wealth from thin air (or from raw materials,) and then giving the wealth to them in exchange for money. When the rich become richer, they increase the wealth of those who gave them more money.

      LOL, people like you have been saying that since the 80s yet the income of 90% of Americans has not risen in real terms since the 70s (and if you're interested in wealth the bottom 50% of families have not see their wealth rise 1989-2007).

      Trickle-down economics has provably failed to make the majority of people better off. The only people who actually put money back into the economy via spending is the middle class, when the rich get a larger share of the bigger pie they just keep it to themselves.

      Now, for the hard numbers: The fact is, capitalist economies encourage the creation of wealth

      The Nordic model is pro free-market capitalism, so what's your point?

      Furthermore, the data more or less debunks the notion that income inequality is getting worse

      Interesting that you're only linking to videos talking about statistically improv

    18. Re:Take that Karl Marx by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      This is a long post that I typed in somewhat of a rush, so I've probably made a few grammatical and factual errors, and missed a few things that didn't support my argument enough, but the overall message should hold up well. If you read nothing else in this, at least read the last few paragraphs.

      You obviously haven't looked at that site beyond the colors you see when you land on the home page have you? If you drill down the specific figures you'll see that there are actually large differences between the US and Scandinavian countries; Scandinavian countries have higher tax, higher government spending, better fiscal health and lower "labor freedom".

      Take another look at those figures. The tax burden in three of those countries is similar to the US, with Finland scoring higher. But that's a moot point. Remember, you're trying to argue that the US is more laissez-faire than them, so I need you to try thinking from a more nuanced perspective: Property rights, and everything from business freedom to everything to the right of that are what matter in this regard, and if you pay attention, they're all on par with the US.

      Or better yet, select all four Nordic countries to see their averages, and then compare them to the US. Not a massive difference. Anyways, this is splitting hairs at this point, your original assertion that these problems are caused by laissez-faire capitalism is incredibly stupid given we have no such thing here.

      Not in the US no, but given what large companies over there are able to get away with compared to most other western countries there's clearly a lack of oversight.

      Actually this is rapidly changing. In fact, China just started a big crackdown:

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/t...

      So in terms of *buying*, using a certain methodology shows house affordability has been stable since the 90s (well after the policies I'm criticizing had been enacted). On the other hand rent has increased dramatically, especially for those in the lower 3rd of incomes [pewtrusts.org]. And no, wages haven't grown [pewtrusts.org] to fill that gap [pewtrusts.org].

      Rents are an interesting case right now because we've seen a culture shift recently where people prefer to rent so that they can move easier if they find a new job somewhere else. But this is a good effect to have, because it shows that people are more easily able to find higher paying jobs: Since the people who do this tend to have higher incomes, we've been seeing a lot of people pay higher rents than they do for mortgages. This may or may not be a long-term trend (it only happened recently, and most probably will die down during the next recession, but nobody has a magic ball, least of all me) but it has nothing to do with the problems associated with low income neighborhoods where rents mostly aren't impacted by this.

      Speak of which, these policies you mentioned, just how laissez-faire are they?

      With regard to that last chart you linked, it doesn't support your claim that well. Food has gone up 2 points since 96, and housing has gone up 4 points, but the rest don't appear to be significantly significant. 2 points is barely worth mention, 4 points is worth mention, but it's not exactly having a big impact.

      Lol, there's no magic money tree, that money is coming from somewhere.

      No...We're talking about cultural problems in these low income areas. Health care costs and health care spending make quite a difference here from the perspective of the consumer. For example, somebody on medicaid (which is common for this demographic) most likely isn't going to notice any difference if health care costs go up, especially for medicaid plans that don't ask for premiums, copays, or deductibles (my state, Arizona, does this.) The same is tr

  3. In some ways... by taiwanjohn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Another important milestone was the recent name-check on Elon Musk in Star Trek: Discovery. In ep.4, the captain says (paraphrasing): "The Wright brothers, Elon Musk, Zephram Cochran... do you want to be remembered in that group or be forgotten as just another obscure scientist?"

    My point is that even pop culture is beginning to realize that we're entering a new paradigm for space flight, and that Musk is the most visible proponent of it. Of course, it remains to be seen how much of Elon's vision will be realized. But if, in 10 or 15 years it's possible to buy a ticket to an orbit for less than $100k, it will certainly be enabled by the "entrepreneurial" space industry, and not by any government effort. And, for better or worse, Elon is the poster-boy for that industry.

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    1. Re:In some ways... by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1

      They just name dropped Elon Musk because anyone watching STD is too retarded to recognize any actual scientist in the world today. Would have been funnier if they'd picked Roger Shawyer.

  4. Overstating slightly? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This seems a bit...dramatic...in its description. Yes, as of comparatively recently you can now get satellite launch services that are substantially private sector (both in who you buy them from and in the launch vehicle not being some defense contractor's ICBM work warmed over a bit); but to the degree that the private sector has found things worth doing in space(mostly communications satellites, some sensor ones) that predates the new launch options by a fair bit; and none of the asteroid mining/private colonies/etc. stuff seems to have changed much, particularly as of 2009.

    This is not to dismiss the developments in launch systems; but 'space age' usually includes something to do in space, which hasn't shown up to nearly the same degree, and also existed under the prior launch model; it seems more accurate to limit the claim to launch systems.

    1. Re:Overstating slightly? by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      This seems a bit...dramatic...in its description. Yes, as of comparatively recently you can now get satellite launch services that are substantially private sector (both in who you buy them from and in the launch vehicle not being some defense contractor's ICBM work warmed over a bit)

      It's a lot dramatic. But it's basically the same sentiment as you express above - trying to draw a false distinction between private launch providers and vehicles.

  5. Re:Why Elon? by Megane · · Score: 1

    I guess that's just one more reason why The Orville is superior to STD.

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