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Shoppers More Likely To Return Items Bought Online Than in Store (axios.com)

From a report: Almost a third of all online orders are returned compared to only 9% of purchases made in a brick-and-mortar store, according to Bloomberg. This is largely due to free shipping offered by most companies, which has also caused an increase of online purchases by almost three times those of physical stores. Why it matters: Returns can be costly for online companies -- anywhere from 20-65% of the cost of goods sold a UPS study found.

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  1. Broken stuff by XXongo · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Well, on a real-world store you can look at stuff before you buy it-- for the most part, you can pick up the very same object that you will later own. With an online store, you're buying something you've never seen.

    Also, a lot of online stores sell broken crap-- possibly stuff that previous customers had returned that they're still trying to get rid of.

    1. Re:Broken stuff by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      you're not doing it correctly. go to your local mega-corp owned place and look at the stuff you want. even try on the model of shoes, for example. then go home and get a good deal online.

    2. Re:Broken stuff by wyHunter · · Score: 2, Informative

      Also, clothing: my wife will order 4 outfits and return 3 of them. Why not? In a store you try on different things.

    3. Re:Broken stuff by peragrin · · Score: 2

      For clothing in general and woman's clothing the size listed is irrevalant and doesn't reflect the actual size and cut of the garment. Shoes and pants are generally accurate. Everything else you need to know the. It and fit of. Some comps us shirts are deigned for beer bellies some are slim

      Me personally I am either a large or xl for shirts depending on cut a co with a tight fit might be better than a large loose fit or sometimes the companies large slim fits best.

      clothing and woman's clothikng really needs local stores to show case fit.

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    4. Re:Broken stuff by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Me personally I am either a large or xl for shirts depending on cut a co with a tight fit might be better than a large loose fit or sometimes the companies large slim fits best.

      Personal preference also has a lot to do with it. Some folks like tight fitting stuff; others like loose fits.

      Back in the original dotcom boom, a start up sold shoes that were custom made to fit the customer's feet exactly. They scanned the feet. Folks were nevertheless unsatisfied, because some folks liked "barefoot freedom" while others prefer a tight, controlled feeling.

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    5. Re:Broken stuff by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Also, clothing: my wife will order 4 outfits and return 3 of them. Why not?

      Because all customers have to foot the bill for your wife's returns. It's selfish, and everyone else have to pay higher prices.

    6. Re:Broken stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's still cheaper for the retailer than a brick and mortar store where people go to shoplift.

    7. Re:Broken stuff by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      ...and still receive an item DOA, that a previous customer already returned DOA.

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    8. Re:Broken stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps those customers who "will have to foot the bill" and don't like that should shop at stores that don't offer returns or charge a "restocking" fee (which will, of course, apply to them as well) so they don't foot the bill.

    9. Re:Broken stuff by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      Have you never heard of brick and mortars pulling the same stuff. This has been a problem since before buying a pig in a poke.

    10. Re:Broken stuff by Venerable+Vegetable · · Score: 1

      Over here several online clothing stores actually advertise with this. They encourage you to order several items and try them on. The package has the return label already included.

      It is selfish in the same way as using the fitting room in a store. "the rent of the floor space has to be paid from the sales. All customers pay the same, even the ones who do not use the fitting room".

    11. Re:Broken stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, clothing: my wife will order 4 outfits and return 3 of them. Why not?

      Because all customers have to foot the bill for your wife's returns. It's selfish, and everyone else have to pay higher prices.

      hardly... delivering to customers is asymmetric, it's massively weighted to getting stuff one way but not the other. There is little actual cost provided it's not artificially priced. Doesn't Amazon basically own their own delivery chain? if not i'm sure they will have made deals to make this happen.

    12. Re:Broken stuff by del_diablo · · Score: 1

      Short term thats true.
      In long term, you might order something, but that also means you finish measurement with the first batch of clothes.
      So you order 32-32 pants, get to see how the S-M-L scaling goes, take a few measurements.
      So i guess the economy of scale means: Customers might do 75% return, but those don't do that often. So between broken goods, cloth returns, and whatnot, only 1/3 returns?
      That means that people do figure out what to order, to avoid returns. Otherwise the number could be far higher, or online orders much harder to do.

    13. Re:Broken stuff by arth1 · · Score: 2

      It is selfish in the same way as using the fitting room in a store. "the rent of the floor space has to be paid from the sales. All customers pay the same, even the ones who do not use the fitting room".

      It's different in that what has been tried on in a changing room can still be sold as new, while what has been returned in an online purchase cannot. The seller cannot know the extent of use, and have to assume that it has been used.

    14. Re:Broken stuff by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      nope, the places I buy from don't do that.

      meanwhile, the shoes in boxes under the display at your local shoe store, you're going to tell me that someone with infected feet didn't put their feet in them to try them out?

    15. Re:Broken stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's different in that what has been tried on in a changing room can still be sold as new, while what has been returned in an online purchase cannot. The seller cannot know the extent of use, and have to assume that it has been used.

      hahaahaa...

      No. It is sold again as new.

    16. Re:Broken stuff by gumbi+west · · Score: 1

      You're getting upset about deals consenting adults are making.The store can easily charge me for shipping and restocking if they like. I just won't shop there. But you can and enjoy the savings.

      I return about 50% of what I order. If it's a brand I've never seen before I might order 4 styles in 2 sizes each and keep one. But how bad of a customer can I be one retailer (the one where I'm the worst offender) gives me free overnight shipping?

    17. Re:Broken stuff by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Those with little money can't afford those shops because the prices are higher to cover all the returns. That's a problem - not for the haves, but for the have-nots.

    18. Re:Broken stuff by gumbi+west · · Score: 1

      What's the problem, exactly?

    19. Re:Broken stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They specialized in making custom shaped shoes but couldn't shape them to the customers' preference? Sounds like bullshit.

    20. Re:Broken stuff by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Have you never heard of brick and mortars pulling the same stuff.

      Of course a brick and mortar can restock a returned item that is defective. The shopper gets to LOOK at the item before buying it. There's also a concern by the store that it wastes a LOT of money to do that, and burns a lot of customer good-will. Customers that may just buy it online the next time and not come back.

      I know this is an old anecdote, but I remember when my Dad worked at Monkey Wards. People returned all kinds of things that weren't actually broken, and some of the broken stuff was easily fixable. He brought home really inexpensive stuff that way, because MW didn't want to spend the money to fix it and wouldn't/couldn't sell it as new.

      When an online store does that, you can't see that it is defective until it arrives and you have to return it.

      No, the GP is correct. It has nothing to do with free shipping. Free shipping is why a lot of people shop online. A higher percentage of returns than b&m is totally due to the inability to look at what you are buying before you do.

      I was looking for prices on "anvils" at Amazon. Amazing, they carry them. I mean real, smack a hammer on metal anvils. They had one that looked just like the real thing, until you read the description carefully. It was a jewler's anvil, and a very small one at that. And eBay (another "online") is sometimes even worse, since the seller is trying to sell his thing and knows that certain versions are less desirable, shall we say? The description may miss certain key elements, and a return is necessary.

    21. Re:Broken stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of that comes from Amazon's habit of commingling items from different shops in the same bins. So, you order someithing with great reviews, but the one that comes might not be the same one that was reviewed.

      But yeah, a lot of it has to do with not being able to see the build quality and the like in person. Photos can and are often taken in a way that is deceptive or misleading.

    22. Re:Broken stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These days that stuff mostly gets sold at a discount to online outlet stores that pay a reduced rate to have a crack at refurbishing and resellling them. For more shops it's just not cost effective to examine, repair and attempt to resell those returns.

    23. Re:Broken stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like OCD. In the nearly 40 years I've been buying shoes, I haven't once gotten an infection from shoes that were purchased that way. Nor have I met anybody that warned me not to buy shoes that way because they got infected.

      In fact a quick google search for that doesn't reveal anything to suggest that this is an actual problem that people have.

    24. Re:Broken stuff by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Actually sounds more like the customers not fully understanding what it was they wanted.

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    25. Re:Broken stuff by J-1000 · · Score: 1

      It's not selfish. This is the chosen business model of the store. You want someone to buy your clothes online instead of walking into a brick & mortar store? Fine, you better be good with returns, because trying things on is part of the clothes shopping process. I'm not advocating abuse, but liberal return policies are part of the core value proposition for these stores, and are the only reason people consider buying clothes online.

      and everyone else have to pay higher prices.

      Since when is that the litmus test for buying decisions? You know what makes people pay higher prices? Me not shopping at the store at all.

    26. Re:Broken stuff by Venerable+Vegetable · · Score: 1

      It surprises me that you think that they sell that as used. I guess you never worked in retail. No, it is checked and repackaged and sold "as new". Note that hardly any store explicitely sells something as "new, never been touched before". And rightfully so in my opinion. It is still the exact same product. Also, brick and mortar stores do exactly the same. If a returned product doesn't clearly show signs of use, it goes right back on the shelves.

      Speaking at someone who has worked at at least a dozen on- and offline stores.

    27. Re:Broken stuff by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      They specialized in making custom shaped shoes but couldn't shape them to the customers' preference? Sounds like bullshit.

      I once bought made-to-measure shoes in Hong Kong where the shop traced the outline of my feet onto sheets of paper. What could possibly go wrong? When made they were as tight as hell. I was later told that Chinese like tight shoes - wasn't that long ago when they used to bind women's feet.

    28. Re: Broken stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sizing thing has always driven me crazy. In this day and age I wish there was a site I could just punch in my dimensions and then have it actually find clothes that fit me.

    29. Re:Broken stuff by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Binding women's feet was a result of a perverted sense of beauty: women should have small feet. It's similar to the (Burmese?) practice of stretching women's necks with a set of neck rings, because pretty women were supposed to have long necks.

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    30. Re:Broken stuff by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      The word "consent" often comes with an important adjective: "informed". When not present, that adjective is usually implied. Dishonest sellers will frequently not note things like "removed from old equipment", "chipped", "B stock", "used", "open box", etc..

      The practice of ordering 8 things with the intention of returning 7 at no cost to yourself without prior agreement is dishonest.

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    31. Re:Broken stuff by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      haha was only saying brick and mortar shops have issues too, many the same as online, and can sell you something you didn't really want either

    32. Re:Broken stuff by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Some of those brands have a Minimum Advertised Price. Which means that the prices don't have to be higher - they're probably already too high and the margin covers the returns. Look at the iPad - stores can't even lower the prices if they want to (due to wholesale agreement) - but they can give you freebies and incentives with the purchase on Black Friday.

    33. Re:Broken stuff by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Exactly. It would be nice if clothing sizes were the GARMENT size and you simply bought the size you wanted for the degree of snugness/looseness.

  2. Reasons by war4peace · · Score: 2

    I don't know why others return their online purchased items, but when I do it, it's because:
    - The item had incorrect specifications online, e.g. a tablet had a resolution of 1280x800 on the seller's website but 1024x600 in reality.
    - The pictures of the item showed it as way better looking than in reality. Think hamburgers in ads versus hamburgers in the store.
    - I received a different item. I can't use a pink female genitalia shaving machine on my beard.

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    1. Re:Reasons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      - The pictures of the item showed it as way better looking than in reality. Think hamburgers in ads versus hamburgers in the store.

      You buy hamburgers online?

    2. Re:Reasons by TWX · · Score: 5, Funny

      I received a different item. I can't use a pink female genitalia shaving machine on my beard.

      Well, I mean, you can, but you just don't want to.

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    3. Re:Reasons by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Sure you can. But if you all that interested in shaving her genitals, there is a chance she's not just a beard.

      Go for it dude. Are you afraid you're going to like it?

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    4. Re:Reasons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You buy hamburgers online?

    5. Re:Reasons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The last two returns I made of online purchased items were both shirts. One had a hole in it, the other was several sizes too small. This has nothing to do with free shipping; in a brick and mortar store, I would have been able to see the merchandise and would not have bought things with damage or that were the entirely wrong fit. The ability to actually inspect things first goes a long way toward preventing returns, and oftentimes online stores don't tell you what you want to know.

    6. Re:Reasons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This AC have done it. Pizzas too. Delivered to the door.

    7. Re: Reasons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, yes. Any place which delivers has a website you can order from. And there are people who will go pickup orders for you from places that only do carryout.

    8. Re:Reasons by sexconker · · Score: 1

      I can't use a pink female genitalia shaving machine on my beard.

      Why not? As long as it's the same size and shape, it'll work fine. (The Venus razors for shaving your legs are the same as the Gillette Fusion razors, for example. They just come encased in a giant block of fragranced lube.)

    9. Re: Reasons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, you've never heard of ordering delivery online?

    10. Re: Reasons by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      Tell me about this service that gets stuff from places that don't deliver.

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    11. Re:Reasons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You buy hamburgers online?

      You have poor comprehension skills.

    12. Re: Reasons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isnâ(TM)t that what Uber Eats does?

    13. Re:Reasons by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Venus is the same as the Mach3. Venus Embrace is the Fusion.

  3. Duh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you shop on line, you go by a description, a few pictures and some basic information. When the purchase arrives, there can be many issues that are not apparent from the web site listing. When you go to a brick and mortar shop, you can feel, touch, try on and in general verify what you are buying, reducing the chances of the need to be returned.

  4. How do you try stuff on online? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

    This is why I bought my sneakers in a real store. I tried them on, made sure they fit and went out for a run the next day.

    Buy it online and two weeks later you might still be waiting for the right size

    1. Re:How do you try stuff on online? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shoes and clothes. I've never returned a piece of hardware, but shoes and clothes have gone back.

      We still need brick and mortar for some things.

    2. Re:How do you try stuff on online? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 0

      I still go to MicroCenter to buy stuff. Half the time it's the same price as Newegg or Amazon and it's only a 10 minute drive away. I just bought my iphone at the AT&T store because it's 5 minutes from home. If I buy another game console i'll probably walk on over to gamestop which is close to where I bought my glasses.

      But I do buy some food online. Cheaper and less annoying than the store

    3. Re:How do you try stuff on online? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Shoes and clothes ... We still need brick and mortar for some things.

      Or maybe we should standardize sizes, so an XL from one vendor is the same as an XL from another vendor. Also, sizes should include more than one number. For a shirt, both the chest and waist size should be listed. For shoes you need the length, ball width, and heel width.

    4. Re:How do you try stuff on online? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Plus you are supporting the local economy, which is worth it even if it costs $1 more. I really doubt tha the hipsters who are buying everything online are doing so only because they can saving some money. Some of these online stores are more expensive overall (ie, groceries, sheesh). Personally, I would greatly prefer that Amazon does not become the one and only worldwide retailer, there's no way that could be good.

    5. Re:How do you try stuff on online? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Or maybe we should standardize sizes, so an XL from one vendor is the same as an XL from another vendor.

      Ooh, more laws. Cool.

      How do you get Bangladesh to follow the same laws that China or the other cheap clothing sources don't?

    6. Re:How do you try stuff on online? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Buying from local branches of a national chain (ALL of the examples above) does support the local economy, but not much compared to a locally owned business.

    7. Re:How do you try stuff on online? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      How many Bangladeshi or Chinese brands do you buy shoes from? You buy them from a "US" Manufacturer who then contracts it out with those specifications.

    8. Re:How do you try stuff on online? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      How many Bangladeshi or Chinese brands do you buy shoes from?

      How many shoes come in "XL"? There are already standard show sizes, and "XL" isn't one of them. The complaint was that "XL" isn't the same worldwide.

    9. Re:How do you try stuff on online? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      If I didn't accidentally throw in the word shoes, would my point still stand? You're missing the forest for the shiny rock on the ground.

  5. Surprised? by MSG · · Score: 2

    Gosh, you're going to tell me that people want to try things in person before they commit to buying(/keeping) them? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

  6. I call BS by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

    1/3 of all online orders are returned?

    Does this match anyone's experience?

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    1. Re:I call BS by evlkind · · Score: 2

      1/3 of all online orders are returned?

      Does this match anyone's experience?

      I can vouch being a wal-mart worker, most online purchases are returned. Far above the 1/3rd. But...again..it is wal-mart..

    2. Re:I call BS by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      I think I've only returned an online order perhaps three times maximum and that was a completely defective product and it was replaced with a working version of the same model. One in three does sound suspicious, but I think Slashdot readers may be more careful with online purchases or more likely to read reviews or look online for a specific product instead of just shoving the first or cheapest thing into our carts. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if a lot of people buy cheap Chinese knock-off products that don't work or aren't even close to what was advertised and are sending them back.

    3. Re:I call BS by phalse+phace · · Score: 1

      I probably return half of the clothes I buy online because they didn't fit right (not every size M or size L is the same across all brands/manufacturers or even the same brand), the image didn't present the garments color accurately, item was damaged or irregular, or because of poor construction quality/materials.

      When buying in-store, I can try on and inspect the item before purchasing. Obviously, you can't do that with online purchases.

    4. Re:I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The stores are the only ones who could answer this, because it's an aggregate number.

      Think about how many people are buying things like clothes or shoes online, rather than those buying gadgets or goods that you already know how they will look and perform, and a high number of returns is not all that surprising.

    5. Re:I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's probably somewhat inflated by places that more or less expect returns, which is probably any place selling clothing. For example, my wife will order shoes online, and then generally return two-thirds, because they don't fit properly.

    6. Re:I call BS by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      1/3 of all online orders are returned?

      Does this match anyone's experience?

      I read reviews carefully, and almost never return anything. My wife, OTOH, returns stuff all the time. She is on a first name basis with all the UPS drivers.

    7. Re:I call BS by WilliamGeorge · · Score: 1

      Not me! I was going to post a similar response, but figured it better to just reply to yours.

      I did return two small (~$10) items to Amazon last month, but those were the only things I've returned in recent memory... and I've probably bought 100 or more items on Amazon since the last time I returned anything before that.

      1/3rd feels absurdly high to me, but then again even the 9% for brick-and-mortar stores that the summary quotes seems crazy high. I maybe return 1-3% of items bought in stores, and most of the time it is an exchange because something was broken or the wrong size rather than a refund.

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    8. Re:I call BS by mssymrvn · · Score: 1

      Read a guitar message board sometime. The blooze lawyers on those sites buy a pedal, use it for a month, then return it. And then piss and moan when they have to pay return shipping. For an item on which the retailer just lost any possibility of profit.

      Then again, the retailer shouldn't offer free shipping as UPS's rates keep going through the roof and there is little recourse for when they won't cover damage in shipping. Damage that was clearly from a handler putting his foot through the package (I work for a small online retailer and this is becoming a bigger and bigger problem).

    9. Re:I call BS by sexconker · · Score: 1

      It's probably somewhat inflated by places that more or less expect returns, which is probably any place selling clothing. For example, my wife will order shoes online, and then generally return two-thirds, because they don't fit properly.

      Is that 1//3 of each shoe, 2/3 of one shoe, or 2/3 of both shoes?

    10. Re: I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here. Sometimes she doesn't like the fit, or the color is a little different, or the style is slightly off. Or she just changes her mind.
      But to be fair, she does the same thing at brick and mortar stores too.

    11. Re:I call BS by tepples · · Score: 1

      It means keeping one pair for every three pairs she orders.

    12. Re:I call BS by Hunter-Killer · · Score: 1

      I could not find the actual report, but the "third of online orders returned" comes from a 2013 Kurt Salmon study which was picked up by the WSJ and parroted by just about everyone else.

    13. Re:I call BS by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      My wife, OTOH, returns stuff all the time. She is on a first name basis with all the UPS drivers.

      Ohh, don't say that out loud or all the women will start using that as the excuse. "Yeah, he picks up all my returned items" wink wink.

  7. 33%, is that right? by jandrese · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I rarely return anything, pretty much only if it arrives broken. It seems shocking to me that a full third of all purchases get returned online. Even that 9% for in-store seems crazy high. Are there people who just buy stuff and return it all day long?

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    1. Re:33%, is that right? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      If it were a true number, no online retailer could turn a profit.

      At least not without charging the constant returners much more, which would turn into 'whack a mole' as people use prepaid cards to get lower prices.

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    2. Re:33%, is that right? by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      I don't know anyone who returns things at that rate, assertion is nonsense.

    3. Re:33%, is that right? by XXongo · · Score: 1

      I rarely return anything, pretty much only if it arrives broken. It seems shocking to me that a full third of all purchases get returned online.

      I'd believe it-- I'd even believe that a third of all stuff bought online arrives broken, or was broken in the first place, or was substantially different from the description-- I've had some bad experiences. But I also know some people who use the "free return" policies as a way to examine stuff to decide whether they want to buy it.

      Even that 9% for in-store seems crazy high. Are there people who just buy stuff and return it all day long?

      Now, that does seem a bit high. I almost never return stuff I bought, but that's because if I buy it in a real store, I look at it carefully before buying.

    4. Re:33%, is that right? by evlkind · · Score: 2

      Go work in retail for a year, you'll understand. Especially at places like walmart, where the return policy is so lax. I've known of people to buy a BBQ for a big event, ,return it the next day all, and not even cleaned up.

    5. Re:33%, is that right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For most of my clothing, ie t-shirts, I don't even bother trying it on in the store as sizes are usually pretty standard. If I buy a t-shirt on-line, unless they ship me the wrong size, it's not really a problem. For my wife however, she pretty much has to try on most of the clothes she buys as for most of the women's clothing she looks at, sizes and fit can vary greatly from manufacturer to manufacturer and many items she has bought on-line in the past have had to be returned because of these issues.

      Also, there are people who buy stuff and then change their mind or decide they didn't really like it after receiving it, etc. I've known people to buy multiple similar items and then decide which one they actually want after they get it home (retail) or after it arrives (online). I've also known people who will buy something, see the item go on sale a week later, return it for a full refund and then buy the same item again at the sale price.

      And this doesn't even cover items that are DOA or damaged in shipping (I received a package yesterday that was poorly packed resulting in a book being both bent and torn).

      I would suspect a majority of these returns are in the clothing and shoe categories though for the above mentioned reasons.

    6. Re:33%, is that right? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I'd believe it only if you include the sum total of dodgy chinese ebay sellers in the stats. That obviously makes the entire assertion worthless.

    7. Re:33%, is that right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's be fair here. You wouldn't know the BBQ is crap before trying to use it first. If you buy something that doesn't work as advertised or doesn't work at all, it is your right to return it.

    8. Re: 33%, is that right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many times people donâ(TM)t really pay attention to what they are buying as well. Look at reviews for a lot of doll house furniture. There will be many 1 star reviews of people complaining that their $8 3 desk set is too small to hold their books. Sometimes people shop purely by picture and price. Iâ(TM)m guessing those people have a much higher return rate.

      It has been several years since Iâ(TM)ve had to return something to Amazon. Admittedly there have been a few small items I could have turned but I knew they were something that might not work out when I ordered and decided less than $10 wasnâ(TM)t worth the time/hassle to return. Bigger items I try to do due diligence so I wonâ(TM)t have to return.

    9. Re:33%, is that right? by Solandri · · Score: 1

      I suspect this is a lot like credit card debt, where the average debt is a shocking $6k. But if you drill down into the numbers, you find that 95% of people are actually responsible and keep their balance down to a thousand dollars or less (a third carry no balance). And the average is skewed high by about 5% of people who carry $50k or more in credit card debt.

      Likewise, I suspect the vast majority of people are like you and me and return probably 1%-2% of what we buy. But a small minority abuse the system and return multiple items for every item that they keep.

      The entire concept of the median was developed to avoid this type of skew when you use a mean for an average. With a median, you don't even look at what those 5% owe or return. You only look at what the 50th percentile owes or returns. Unfortunately, the media likes to continue to misuse the mean if it'll generate a shocking (and thus click-generating) headline.

    10. Re:33%, is that right? by erice · · Score: 1

      I rarely return anything, pretty much only if it arrives broken. It seems shocking to me that a full third of all purchases get returned online. Even that 9% for in-store seems crazy high. Are there people who just buy stuff and return it all day long?

      Surprises me too. For most online purchases, returning is such a PIA, that I try very hard to avoid returning anything. I've kept worthless junk because it wasn't worth my time to return it. And that doesn't even account for the monetary costs. Most of the time you end up paying for return shipping, which is usually more expensive than what the retailer spent to ship it to you. It is especially severe for purchases from overseas vendors.
      The vendor ships via some sweet bulk deal. Your return goes bog standard post at 3-4x. It might have been a good deal if it worked out but it is an expensive mistake if you have to return.

    11. Re:33%, is that right? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      I rarely return anything, pretty much only if it arrives broken. It seems shocking to me that a full third of all purchases get returned online. Even that 9% for in-store seems crazy high. Are there people who just buy stuff and return it all day long?

      I seem to remember a friend of mine studying in the US said they did a lot of renovation by simply buying power tools, using them for whatever they needed then returning it. Allegedly they got the idea from hearing that many other people did that, I don't think he was justifying because he didn't really have to tell me anything at all. My guess is that online shopping is equally skewed by a few, like ordering a whole wardrobe and returning everything but one dress. Personally I don't think I've returned any item that's not damaged, defective or deceptive. And on the few occasions I've wanted to return anything they've mostly wanted a photo of the damage and/or proof of its destruction, which to me makes sense. There's no business in having a broken item shipped back to them, they just want to know they haven't been scammed.

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    12. Re:33%, is that right? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Not always. I bought an air mattress. Used it for one night - found out it leaked horribly. They said it was against policy to allow returns on a used air mattress (as if it were underwear). Then they pulled out a giant binder from behind them (that I did not see prior to purchase) and claimed I should somehow know the policy buried within.

      Sure, I just took it to another Wal-Mart and they returned it without hassle. But not everyone will keep trying.

    13. Re:33%, is that right? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      And the average is skewed high by about 5% of people who carry $50k or more in credit card debt.

      These might be the same people who compulsively buy and return 1/2 or more of everything they buy.

    14. Re:33%, is that right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Asians are notorious for using return policies as a free rental. It has gotten worse with Youtuber's abusing return programs to get a hold of products to "review" on their channels. Anytime a storm is approaching, a Holiday approaches, or some big short-term project needs to be done it is very common for Asians to "borrow" an item from Amazon to cover their needs. Online stores are not alone in this issue, Fry's Electronics has had to deal with this for decades, so has Home Depot.

  8. Naturally, you need to try stuff by ugen · · Score: 1

    I am sure online retailers have to expect that. When ordering something that has an individual fit - I do not know if it actually fits until the item arrives and I can try it. Clothes, shoes, glasses and many other items. Picture and description is not the same as seeing an item in person.
    Why is that news? I am sure catalog sales back in the day had the same return percentage.

  9. Online has its negatives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I get bad merchandise from online retailers more then in store. But in store returns means a face to face with the store personnel which many people feel uncomfortable doing. I'm not that way, if I feel the product is unsatisfactory in any way I return it. Manufactures that way get feedback from customers on bad products. Even stores may drop products when they get a lot of returns.

  10. Wrong size by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

    In a store you can see the item and try it on.

      You can't do that with online stuff. And it's not just clothing.

    Here are things I would not have bought if I had seen them in a store:

    1) Bag of popcorn -unpopped (thought it was popped)
    2) Shirt, shoes and pants that did not fit.
    3) Half size ottoman that I thought was full sized.
    4) Wedge of cheese that was 1/3 the size I thought it was.

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    1. Re:Wrong size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You bought a bag of popcorn online? And a wedge of cheese? Maybe you need to find out where the nearby grocery store is.

  11. Amazon is great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last week I ordered a generic three-pound counterweight for a mic stand that came without the tightening screw. Contacted Amazon, got a shipping label, dropped it off at the post office, and got a refund within four hours of the package being scanned at the post office. I ordered the Manfotto three-pound counterweight and was much happier with that purchase.

    1. Re:Amazon is great... by sexconker · · Score: 1

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  12. You have to by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    For many clothing purchases I buy online in multiple sizes, because I can't tell what will fit - sometimes all buying a few different styles, because I'm not sure what I will like.

    Any vendor selling stuff online is setup to handle this, usually with free or very low cost shipping on returns or in-store.

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  13. UPS returns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    As a UPS driver who picks up 300+ pieces per day from UPS Stores, well over half of the boxes are returns and most go back to Amazon. The only people winning here is UPS themselves

  14. Many reasons by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    I think the most common explanation is Drunk Amazon purchases late at night. I know some people who have had problems with Ambien shopping as well.

    Online vendors misleading information on what you're buying versus what you'll receive.

    Just crappy merchandise. Knockoffs,something that's already been returned, items that have been pre-damaged for your enjoyment.

    Clothes that don't fit, I have a hard enough time getting things in a store that are supposed to be the same size, but aren't. The same goes for shoes.

    That being said. Candy, Hellman's Mayonnaise, I'm ok with buying online. I probably won't return things like that.

    1. Re:Many reasons by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Hellman's Mayonnaise, I'm ok with buying online

      Something tells me it's harder to get fresh mayo. Sitting in a warehouse (longer), no way to check the expiration date at purchase.

  15. There are several reasons for this... by MindPrison · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...I got some experience on the subject, I'm in my 50's and have shopped online for over 14+ years, and 35+ years in stores, especially electronics stores.

    The thing about shopping in a store is that you get an hands-on experience of everything you want to purchase, you get to test it - right there and then, if you don't like it - it's more of a "meh..." experience, and you walk away, no harm done. But if you get that "woah" experience, you'll most likely make a purchase right there and then, or come back later for a purchase. The thing is - you get a realtime experience with the goods in question instead of some video representation of it, and you get a real life feel for how the product actually work.

    Some of you, might ask - well, why don't you go to a physical store and test the product, and later - go get it cheaper on the internet?

    Well, there's a reason we don't really do that, many actually. Some of mine are that I can easily return a product I tested in store if it doesn't live up to my "store" experiences, without too much problems. If I do this online, I can do this...but it's a lot of hassle...I have to carry the product back to the postal offices, if it's pickup-based, I usually have to cover the cost if the company doesn't agree with my view on the subject... (at least in Sweden).

    And when I bought it in a store - I get a lot of support, the seller will recognize me and immediately give me support when I have questions or need help, whereas when I do that online, it's more of a hassle to get a RMA and finally get to ship it off, just to have it returned to me with 100+ scratches from all the handling + loads of more risks involving shipping damage, where the company in question is not to blame....but the postal services...which I've had the worst luck with...blaming everything on bad packaging etc.

    Classy online companies, won't have this issue...usually clothes related companies, as they will pretty much accept any returns, without complaints...but try that with small online companies dealing with IT-Tech and small margins...you're in for the battle of your life..

    Not worth it.

    Shop locally!

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    1. Re:There are several reasons for this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon in the US pays for return shipping and they pick it up from your front porch. You don't even have to print a shipping label. Just put the box outside and you're done. It's for this reason alone that I'll by my computer parts from Amazon even though I live close enough to Newegg to will-call from them. Their return process sucks.

    2. Re:There are several reasons for this... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Some of you, might ask - well, why don't you go to a physical store and test the product, and later - go get it cheaper on the internet?

      Some of them are idiots. I shop online because B&M stores don't carry what I want. I can drive to every store in my county and still not be able to buy one tenth of one percent of the stuff I can find on the internets. This is especially true for me because I live in the sticks. The nearest town of any size is Ukiah which is still small, and stupid — they've been fighting against a Costco for years for example, because they were really attached to having a massive eyesore expanse of unused concrete in a prime location right next to the highway. The next-nearest town of any size is Santa Rosa, which has just finished being massively on fire. I plan to avoid it as much as possible for the foreseeable future, at least until they get all the roads open because that's reportedly perturbing traffic all across the city.

      You literally cannot try the vast majority of what is for sale on the internet in any store. What a terrible, terrible argument, made by terrible, terrible people.

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    3. Re:There are several reasons for this... by havana9 · · Score: 1

      IT's easier to give back an item bought online, due the consumer protection law or how compaines are willing to help you, I remember in the '80 you could buy from a papaer catalog sending a paer letter some items, even a TV set and the company had a policy you could return anything without problem in the 15 days after delivery policy.
      On a brick and mortar shop it's norally more difficult.
      If you see a physical object in a shop you could easily check if it's ok or it's broken and have a look on exact aspect an dimensions, so if you see that the item is too small or too big or the colour is ugly you haven't to rely on some photos and descriptions.
      And of coures the bane of post order, the item is damaged in transit, very difficult to happen i a brick and mortar sho-p.

  16. Let's solve that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would anyone be interested in opening a showroom-style shop, that only exists to look at things before buying them? There would be a small entry fee, but it would contain all the articles you could ever imagine. Properly grouped, and without all the tactics of regular shops (like placing the butter as far from the milk as possible, or low-profit stuff at the bottom, or manipulative music/smells/designs).
    Online shops would chip in to finance the showroom, and putting their products in there too, and be able to offer their clients a full mall experience without paying for the full mall, and without having to staff people or stock stuff in there.
    The difference from a regular mall would be, as said above, that it’s just for looking. The buying still happens online. And that since there would only one of every product, the amount of products would be orders of magnitude above malls.

    This should be doable, as it gives online shops, buyers and the one who organizes it an advantage. So there must be a business model that would be a win for all three.

    I wish I could do it, but I have my own set of problems. But I would be so happy, to see somebody do that in my city (Cologne). I'd glady let that person have the profits instead of me.
    (And if I could, I would make a 100% non-profit version of it anyway, that nobody could compete with. :)

    1. Re:Let's solve that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since the early days of Amazon I expected a somewhat similar model to arise but that it would be funded by vendors of various products. Vendors would pay the display shops to handle their items and larger vendors would have their own representatives on hand to "sell" or "support" their products.

      But, alas, it's not happened.

    2. Re:Let's solve that! by omnichad · · Score: 1

      You're already knocking out the convenience factor with the extra trip. Consumers would want to just buy them then. And it's also the reason so many stores (used to) price match online prices.

  17. Depends on the sector. Clothes for example. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In clothing, I gave up. Because usually I would have to order literally half the store, and of course send 95% of it back. And I simply don’t have the money for that, even if I can be certain enough to get it back.
    And from what I heard, that's pretty normal. The lady on the hotline confirmed, that online clothing shops don't even blink if you send back all of what you ordered thrice, before finding even one thing that you want to keep. It's already included in their business model. Because they want you to be relaxed and not stress out and go to the physical store instead, where that kind of behavior would be normal too.

  18. Happens a lot in my household by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My wife gets more stuff with different sizes to try them out when shopping online. That happens especially when the item is available online only

  19. How the hell does UPS know? by HyperStasis · · Score: 1

    Did they base this off of the metrics of products force returned because UPS wouldn't deliver, or worse lost the item, or worst, randomly delaying deliveries for so long the retailers have to refund their customers?

  20. US Only? by Mandrel · · Score: 1

    It looks like these high return rates are US stats. Other countries have less of a return culture, being more intimidated by store policies, and discouraged by high return postage rates, though it's perhaps slowly becoming more US-like everywhere.

    I've long been surprised reading about US buyers who had no problem returning things until they got exactly what they wanted. In the US, retailers better accept that the consumer is king, perhaps due to better-developed competition, a greater focus on service, and better delivery networks.

    1. Re:US Only? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Europe also generally doesn't allow re-selling returned/refurbished items as new and generally better consumer protection laws.

  21. Entitlement Society: Many Customers are Insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm amazed at the entitlement society which has come about in the last 20 years. Many people have come to expect they are owed something just because. Hate to break it to people, but the customer is not always right. There really are insane people who take advantage and that costs everyone more. I've got many great examples.

    Adding "free shipping" to your order comments isn't going to get you free shipping. My company isn't going to play that game. Sorry. Nope.

    Demanding we extend our return policy three months out because you were in the hospital just isn't happening either. I'm sorry your reading comprehension is poor or that you jumped to conclusions because all your recent printer purchases have had a scanner built-in. Not going to cut it. It's unfortunate, but it's not our problem. We have very good customer service policies, but three months isn't exactly a few days or even a week beyond the return period. This isn't clothing and prices go down assuming we can even resell the item at all.

    Getting mad at us and demanding a refund because your too stupid to diagnose an issue properly and automatically blame us for a problem with your computer... while we have no issue with a return if you so like it might be wiser to seek support and not assume our product is shit. You'll just end up running into the same f'ing issue again and again otherwise.

    I have another customer who is demanding we refund him for taxes he paid on delivery in spite of the fact his purchase is 10 months old, it was clear on product and check out pages that taxes/duties may be owed for those outside the United States, etc. This is in reaction to a warranty issue. Customers outside the United States have to send back in some cases a system to our repair center in the US and in reality some countries make that difficult (getting a refund on the tax after a system is repaired/returned from outside the country). It's not our fault you live in a socialist hell hole. We've got our own shitty system to deal with here and taking advantage of others just results in us having to increase prices for you and other non-a-holes in your region who are the unfortunate slaves of your crappy government.

  22. Free returns? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would love to return an item to an online store, but always assumed that i would have to pay shipping charges back. And many retailers want you to ship it to america with customs papers, duties etc. it will quickly add up in time and money to the cost of the item.

    I would have assumed the opposite. Its trivially easy to drive back to the store and return something. For instance, home depot, i do that all the time. Buy all the possible parts or lumber i need for a project and return the ones i dont use. Shipping back, unless they are giving you a return label, seems like it just costs you money. I've shipped defective electronics back for repairs but i always have to pay the shipping to the vendor.

    Something doesnt add up. Maybe amazon has free returns? I dont do much purchasing off there...

  23. Feature by Venerable+Vegetable · · Score: 1

    I have another reason:
    Returning items online is easier than returning to a brick and mortar store nowadays. So I prefer to buy higher risk items online AND I take more risks when buying something online. When in doubt, in a brick and mortar store I will probably not buy. Online, I will.

    Result: "Shoppers more likely to return items online". It is a feature, and it is why online shopping is winning.

  24. Online works fine for some things.. by MpVpRb · · Score: 1

    Industrial products with a clear specification
    Consumable items you have bought before and need re-supply
    Replacement parts
    Anything cheap enough that gambling is OK

    Online does NOT work for stuff like..

    Anything where color is critical. Most monitors aren't calibrated and most online sellers aren't real careful about color
    Anything where touch or feel is critical. All you get online is a photo, and sometimes it's crappy
    Some clothing. Sizes are NOT standard, it's why physical stores have dressing rooms

    Online works OK for stuff like...

    Consumer appliances, where reviews provide useful guidance

  25. Has anybody got cheated by Amazon India? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  26. Reasons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have never returned anything online because of it not fitting, I know my body well enough to buy the correct size or buy larger. Instead, I return online items because:

    -They arrive broken from shipping
    -The wrong item arrives
    -The item is missing parts/manuals
    -The item stops working within the return time limit
    -I bought the item somewhere else cheaper
    -I received the item faster from a different store (pre-ordering from multiple sites to make sure I get an item on release day)

    The last 2 reasons listed above are me taking advantage of generous online return policies, but the others are the most common, especially items that stop working.