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Equifax Investigation Clears Execs Who Dumped Stock Before Hack Announcement (gizmodo.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Gizmodo: Equifax discovered on July 29th that it had been hacked, losing the Social Security numbers and other personal information of 143 million Americans -- and then just a few days later, several of its executives sold stock worth a total of nearly $1.8 million. When the hack was publicly announced in September, Equifax's stock promptly tanked, which made the trades look very, very sketchy. At the time, Equifax claimed that its executives had no idea about the massive data breach when they sold their stock. Today, the credit reporting company released further details about its internal investigation that cleared all four executives of any wrongdoing.

The report, prepared by a board-appointed special committee, concludes that "none of the four executives had knowledge of the incident when their trades were made, that preclearance for the four trades was appropriately obtained, that each of the four trades at issue comported with Company policy, and that none of the four executives engaged in insider trading." The committee says it reviewed 55,000 documents to reach its conclusions, including emails and text messages, and conducted 62 in-person interviews. "The review was designed to pinpoint the date on which each of the four senior officers first learned of the security investigation that uncovered the breach and to determine whether any of those officers was informed of or otherwise learned of the security investigation before his trades were executed," the report states.

155 comments

  1. yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...right

    1. Re:yeah... by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Is there any way to find out how frequently execs sell their own stock and how much? Seems like you could prove whether or not its abnormal for execs to sell this amount in the period in which the company knew it had been hacked.

    2. Re:yeah... by jrumney · · Score: 2

      Trades by C level execs should all be listed in the public SEC filings. Presumably that is how this became news in the first place.

    3. Re: yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      At least one requested approval a day before the hack. Those ones should be cleared immediately for obvious reasons.

      Equifax only allows executives to sell shares during certain windows. The window in question started 7/28. The hack was found 7/29. This is adequate to explain the rush of sales by executives.

      The sales were all less than 10% of what these guys held (VP of investor relations percentage is not specified).

      It's not impossible that this was shady, but it's also plausible that it was not.

      https://investor.equifax.com/news-and-events/news/2017/11-03-2017-124511096

    4. Re:yeah... by SNRatio · · Score: 1

      Best practice would be for all potential insider traders (including Congress) to be forced to announce their trades (and place the orders) at least one full business day before the orders execute. No, they can't cancel or change their order if the market shifts in the meantime.

    5. Re:yeah... by jrumney · · Score: 1

      I thought actual practice was 2 or 3 weeks notice, but those SEC filings seem to be announcing trades that already took place after the fact, so it may not be public notice, or the rules changed in the past few years.

    6. Re:yeah... by SumDog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No one executive from the 2008 financial collapse is in prison. 1% of Americans are in prison, more than any other country in the world.

      This is why your vote doesn't matter in America. The people don't dictate policies. The top 1% do. Everything else is a puppet show.

    7. Re:yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As was mentioned, those c-level execs have to file paper work whenever they sell shares of their own stock. This is something that's worth looking into whenever you're considering buying a company. If you see a lot of those insiders selling, it's a good idea to look really hard at the underlying company to figure out whether it's still worth investing.

    8. Re:yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just so you know, Congress is explicitly excluded from insider trading law.

    9. Re: yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you have guns and ammo and butt stocks

    10. Re:yeah... by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2

      Is there any way to find out how frequently execs sell their own stock and how much?

      Here's a list.

    11. Re:yeah... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      The rules have not changed, but they are complicated. Sales of restricted stock must be pre-announced. Sales of unrestricted stock only have to be announced after the sale.

      There are proposals to require pre-announcements of all sales by people presumed to have insider info.

    12. Re:yeah... by slashrio · · Score: 1

      And now an external investigation please, because, come on now, after all we are all friends... right?

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    13. Re:yeah... by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      I don't now why you're modded funny instead of obvious.

      There is no way you're going to convince me the stock sale had nothing to do with this.

      Even if there is evidence that they were planning to sell the stock before the "hack" was known I would still think they knew about the data breach before they admitted that they did.

      And that's BEFORE I even put my tin-foil hat on which suggests to me a whole host of other conspiracies some of which includes the idea that they intentionally leaked the data. That may be some crazy idea that they would intentionally do this but can the incompetence be explained any other way? And does anyone really think that if they couldn't profit from putting basically every adult with any credit in the US at risk (and many in a few other countries as well) that they wouldn't?

      But what's a poor boy to do? I could protest I guess. I could vote against every incumbent from here on out. I could even vote for a third party. But we're powerless to do anything and I say that without my hat on.

    14. Re: yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And mass shootings for the children.
      America: what a country!

    15. Re: yeah... by oobayly · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but I'm sure they're not happy about bring exempt. It's just that they haven't got around to the changing the law...

    16. Re:yeah... by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      An internal investigation overseen by the jerks who are subject to that investigation. Take everything the managers own, throw them in jail, and close that entire company down. Any proceeds from sales of goods is to be distributed to the victims....without lawyers getting a huge cut as is the case in the class action suits.

    17. Re:yeah... by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      By announcing this publicly the market WILL shift and typically down. It never looks good when the top managers drop a lot of stock at once. The much better way is to make it illegal for anyone in Congress or C level management of a publicly traded company to own any stock. Keeps them honest and forces the companies to pay them fully taxable salaries rather than company stock where gains are taxed much lower.

    18. Re: yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Pff I wouldn't clear the President of Information Solutions for that. He was in the direct line of command here. He would've had the ability to uncover the breach before it was initially reported. He could easily have been informed by a nervous technician, unofficially, because who would report this sort of thing by official channels when the news is this bad?

      So yeah, he learns there's some anomalies in the logs. Suspects there's been a breach. Gets approval for stock sale because hey, no one knows yet. Then he triggers an official review. Keep in mind *something* triggered the discovery of the breach. It sure as hell wasn't a routine action that uncovered it, given initial intrusions were done in March and it was only "discovered" July 29.

      Now he's got his alibi. He couldn't possibly have known through any channels because no emails were sent and he got approval before there was any reason to believe there was anything wrong, right? And just to be safe, he isn't informed officially of the breach until August 10. A president-level executive. How could there possibly be any wrongdoing?

      The most dubious part of this isn't that the stock was sold just before/after the breach was detected, btw. It's that executives weren't informed until 4 weeks after the breach was detected, and even the President of Information Systems wasn't informed until 12 days later.

    19. Re: yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most other countries you gotta go up to and cut/stab the kids with a knife.

      Take more effort.. the kids are quick!

    20. Re:yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends on who you ask, and who you don't ask.

      Logically, who knew, and when, and their direct reporting chain.
      Now offering a 500K reward for anyone who 'communicated' the leak/break officially or unofficially may upturn stones.
      Now for that information to have a 14 day trickle up time = well the reports downstream MUST be fired on the spot. Security is a 2 hour thing, not 14 days or more.

    21. Re: yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no, youâ(TM)ve got it all wrong. It was Mr Mustard in the Library with the Candlestick.

    22. Re: yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah my last company made it a point for no executive to respond to emails from underlings. I emailed a number of people informing them of various *bad things* and received zero response.

      Assuming it was so they could later deny receiving said message.

    23. Re: yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Usually the strategy for avoiding insider trading allegations is that you publish a plan several weeks in advance.

    24. Re:yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I understand the frothing mouths that like to utter "1%"!!!. Sadly the prison population is over 1% in america more like 2% iirc, maybe as high as 5% when you figure in the amount of americans locked up in county / city jails & the number civil committed.

    25. Re: yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better to die like a man than die from some std caught by goat sex

    26. Re:yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's one place to get this info: http://insiders.morningstar.com/trading/insider-activity.action?t=EFX&region=usa&culture=en-US. My analysis suggests that the level of suspicion depends on when the hack happened. Some places are reporting "July", which would make the trades not suspicious. Some are reporting "mid-May", which would make them *very* suspicious.

    27. Re: yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would they intentionally give away the product they sell?

      I've seen some dumb conspiracy theories in my life, and this one is right up there.

    28. Re: yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you saying you'd rather stab and kill multiple children than get an std from a goat? And you call that manly?

    29. Re:yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Then they form a shell corporation which purchases the stock on their behalf. There's so many loopholes that these types of laws are unenforceable.

      What needs to happen is that the majority of people have to realize that this game is completely rigged, and pull out of it. A massive shakeout of the corrupt actors is required to start fresh where some trust can be placed back int the system.

    30. Re: yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly, neither of those things sound very macho, but they do both sound like something a man would do.

    31. Re:yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no proof that they did anything wrong...just incredibly coincidental events. Honestly, officer, this gun in my hand that I just fired at the tree over there was NOT used by me to kill that person. There is no proof that I used it to kill that person, who I hated. Sure, I missed the tree, and the bullet can't be found, but there is no proof I killed that person.

    32. Re: yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some states are one-party consent regarding audio recordings.

    33. Re:yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There are some things that are shit in America, including your defeatist attitude. Not voting or thinking that your vote does not matter, is not a solution. Lets assume (for the duration of this post) that the voting machines were not hacked. 80,000 votes was the diffrence between HRC & Trump being president (Link below). 80,000...

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/donald-trump-will-be-president-thanks-to-80000-people-in-three-states/?utm_term=.048fcfb633d6

    34. Re:yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you think you need to be convinced? How does what you believe change what happened?

    35. Re:yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one executive from the 2008 financial collapse is in prison.

      And why should they be, exactly? What law do you think they broke?

    36. Re:yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drain the swamp!

    37. Re:yeah... by geoskd · · Score: 1

      The much better way is to make it illegal for anyone in Congress or C level management of a publicly traded company to own any stock. Keeps them honest and forces the companies to pay them fully taxable salaries rather than company stock where gains are taxed much lower. Flag as Inappropriate

      How does that work for a founder of the company? Presumably one of the founders is going to own stock, and if the founders of the company can't be in leadership positions, the company will never get off the ground...

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    38. Re:yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was skeptical they did anything wrong at the time we first learned about it and am not surprised the investigation found no wrong doing. Insiders need pre-clearance to sell stock. Insiders are constantly selling their stock because it is better to diversify investment money. If they requested pre-clearance to sell before it was learned that the company had been hacked, but actually sell after it looks bad, but clearly is just a coincidence. Part of pre-clearance is a delay, which is intended to make it very hard for insiders to benefit from insider trading. They don't get clearance if it is known that an even will cause the stock to move significantly.

    39. Re: yeah... by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      One requested clearance the day before the hack was CONFIRMED.

      The hack itself was quite a while before that and confirmation follows suspicion. One needs to know if those suspicions had been communicated in any form to the people involved.

      As someone pointed out elsewhere, this is execs clearing execs. It doesn't mean the SEC won't investigate and decide otherwise.

       

    40. Re: yeah... by PingPongBoy · · Score: 1

      So yeah, he learns there's some anomalies in the logs. Suspects there's been a breach. Gets approval for stock sale because hey, no one knows yet. Then he triggers an official review. Keep in mind *something* triggered the discovery of the breach. It sure as hell wasn't a routine action that uncovered it, given initial intrusions were done in March and it was only "discovered" July 29.

      Reminds me of the argument that we do not really have free will. Typically, we are conscious of acts being acts of free will, or rather, we believe that they are. Yet before the act itself, the brain had accumulated the data and processed it, coming to certain beliefs. Then the action occurs.

      Example, I see a jar of pickles. I make the free choice to unscrew the lid, thereby opening the jar and having access to the pickles. If I was a caveman, I might be making the free choice to whack open the jar with a small stone. There was a free choice or free act, i.e., the action.

      Then again, the executive could say "What can I say? I was texting while juggling my portfolio."

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    41. Re:yeah... by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

      At which point, their barbers and second cousins and such will become very good at stock market timing -- for a very very narrow set of stocks.

      And will somehow feel an urge to give tens of thousands of dollars to their C-suite acquaintance/relative/whatever.

      That might be a bit obvious. Maybe something a bit more subtle, like returning the favor, or another one of similar value, at some future date.

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    42. Re: yeah... by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 2

      The title for the story should be "Equifax Execs Absolve Themselves of any Wrongdoing". They set up the inquiry, of course it's going to find they did nothing wrong, that was the whole point of having it.

    43. Re: yeah... by VirtualJWN · · Score: 0

      .Ummmm BULL S__T! Sorry, but THE largest data breach in US HISTORY, prompting the replacement of EVERYONE'S SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS would have been common knowledge internally. OTHERWISE Equifax is too irresponsible to trust. To me, THEIR creditworthiness is -800. They should be forced by DOJ to pay each person compromised some amount of money with no attorneys "cut", say 1000 USD to each, only then no jail time for anyone. If tjey are that incompetent, they should be dissolved ss a company. Tjis should be the result in all databreaches. Effectively the company defaulted on our right to privacy. They need to pay A LOT!

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    44. Re: yeah... by VirtualJWN · · Score: 0

      Of cpurse, its called the SEC (security and exchange commission) other agrencies too. But like all gov oversight, apparently depends on who you are.

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    45. Re: yeah... by VirtualJWN · · Score: 0

      And a bad one! Honestly that is why Trump is hoing to end up most significant PRESIDENT perhaps in history. The knee jerk backlash of the establishment EVERYTHING has exposed ALL the corruption, gov, media, hollywood, mil. They can't unring the bell. Shakespeare wrote "me thinks he protesteth too much" sums it up, when congressional majority is at odds with a same party president and bipartisanly resists, gig is up!!! . America was sleeping again, but not Anymore!

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    46. Re:yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one executive from the 2008 financial collapse is in prison.

      A myth.

  2. Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Equifax finds Equifax not guilty.

    1. Re: Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The funny thing is though they're pretty much bragging about their incompetence here now though.

    2. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like to dispute this and have the decision deleted.

    3. Re:Duh by PingPongBoy · · Score: 1

      Well, if they really found themselves not guilty they wouldn't have even said they were hacked. Hacked? Us? Of course not because such an occurrence would mean we were fallible.

      Meta thought

      Equifax sits in judgment of ALL. Who is a good creditor? Ask Equifax.

      On the one hand, that makes Equifax a big target, and they probably beat off hackers with a stick.

      But Equifax is fallible

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  3. one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    preconcieved

    1. Re:one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Makes you wonder if there is a market for pre-written exonerations. One for mishandling government documents like Comey used. Another for insider trades. A few for abuse of power, collusion, etc. A complete collection of formal determinations you fill in with names and dates.

  4. The report, prepared by a board-appointed special by ChoGGi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Clears Execs (not like anyone expected anything different).

    So these supposedly important members of the company weren't (officially) notified or found out about this July 29th hack till August 10th?
    I assume they were notified of the previous March hack, and how it had yet to be disclosed?

  5. fox in control of henhouse, hens fucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fox in control of henhouse, hens fucked

    1. Re:fox in control of henhouse, hens fucked by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I didn't know fox was into that.

    2. Re: fox in control of henhouse, hens fucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um... yeah... hes kinda kinky that way...

    3. Re: fox in control of henhouse, hens fucked by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      You must not know many foxes.

  6. Someone will file charges on this to be sure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'The report, prepared by a board-appointed special committee' = About as good as letting Trump investigate his own collusion.

    1. Re: Someone will file charges on this to be sure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or Hillary investigate hers.

    2. Re:Someone will file charges on this to be sure. by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Well, the results of that may still be funny, at least.

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    3. Re: Someone will file charges on this to be sure. by oobayly · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have so little confidence in Trump's abilities that I reckon he'd end up being found guilty by his own investigation.

    4. Re: Someone will file charges on this to be sure. by gweihir · · Score: 2

      Now that would be an event to remember for a long time!

      Of course, the actual problem is not Trump. He is just a symptom of the morons taking over.

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  7. No harm, no foul by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The internal investigation by Equifax cleared the Equifax executives of any wrongdoing when they sold their stock in Equifax just before the story about how Equifax was so sloppy with the personal data of millions of people who aren't even customers of Equifax that hackers were able to get all of it.

    Well, I guess that settles it. Surely, if there was wrongdoing, the internal investigation by Equifax would have found it and brought the wrongdoers to justice.

    Now watch me hit this drive...See that? Right in the middle of the fairway.

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    1. Re: No harm, no foul by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love their reasons. Home renovation, moving to a new city...

      At my job, if someone sneezes in the server room the boss is asking later the same day why they are slacking on company time.

      I'm sure these guys were clueless...

    2. Re:No harm, no foul by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No worries, the shareholders' lawsuits are on their way and this joke won't impact them.

  8. Re:The report, prepared by a board-appointed speci by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clears Execs (not like anyone expected anything different).

    So these supposedly important members of the company weren't (officially) notified or found out about this July 29th hack till August 10th?
    I assume they were notified of the previous March hack, and how it had yet to be disclosed?

    Be careful, you're attempting to attribute intelligent behavior to residents of Atlanta, usually not a wise course of action. We should not have allowed them to restore it after we burned it.

  9. so the trick is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    never email or text anyone about insider trading, got it.

    1. Re:so the trick is... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      never email or text anyone about insider trading, got it.

      It is amazing how many people don't get it. I have read many email discussions where people openly discuss tax evasion strategies, stealing office supplies, driving stoned, etc. Never, ever, say anything in writing that you can't explain to a judge and jury.

    2. Re: so the trick is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says the guy who posted self incriminating things about he doesn't hire people from certain groups, illegally uses facebook data to discriminate, etc, while logged in to Slashdot.

      But it's ok, you're a giant in your own imagination.

  10. Classic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "We have investigated ourselves and have found no evidence of any wrongdoing."

  11. Board's hiring record not good by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    These investigators were hired by the same board that hired a team of executives who had no clue about computer security and apparently had no idea that one of the largest failures of computer security ever had occurred several days earlier. With that sort of hiring record, I'm not sure I'd trust anyone they hired.

    1. Re:Board's hiring record not good by geekmux · · Score: 1

      These investigators were hired by the same board that hired a team of executives who had no clue about computer security and apparently had no idea that one of the largest failures of computer security ever had occurred several days earlier. With that sort of hiring record, I'm not sure I'd trust anyone they hired.

      Trust? What the hell makes you think this has to do with trust?

      To give you an idea of just how fucked up the system really is, the board members are going to get rewarded for this, which is exactly why the only acceptable result was the fabricated bullshit we're seeing. The board investigated and found executives to be not guilty, and thus of the highest caliber, affirming an excellent capability to select only the best personnel to run a company. Golden resume fodder right there.

      Executives had no idea of the largest breach in company history for days? What a load of shit. At minimum I'd be firing the CIO for not having a policy of immediate notification for a cyberattack of this magnitude. What fucking CIO wants to be kept in the dark about something like that? Same goes for the board for that matter; it's a public company. Attacks can (and did) affect stock price, which is also the reason executives were notified in person, also known as that old-fashioned untraceable way of informing stock holders of a good time to sell.

    2. Re:Board's hiring record not good by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      What fucking CIO wants to be kept in the dark about something like that?

      One that would like a chance to offload some shares before they tank?

    3. Re:Board's hiring record not good by geekmux · · Score: 1

      What fucking CIO wants to be kept in the dark about something like that?

      One that would like a chance to offload some shares before they tank?

      Exactly. And yet the investigation results amounted to nothing more than a Jedi mind trick, which will most likely be accepted by other equally corrupt regulatory agencies doing subsequent investigations.

      Don't even know why we maintain moral and ethical regulations in business anymore. Not like anyone actually enforces them.

    4. Re:Board's hiring record not good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At minimum I'd be firing the CIO for not having a policy of immediate notification for a cyberattack of this magnitude.

      Careful about what you say. Do you want to be branded a misogynist? The CIO you are referring to was female, most probably unqualified given her past, and bailed out with her golden parachute after the hack became public.

    5. Re:Board's hiring record not good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh come on. I'm barely even following this story and I even know that the firm they hired to validate security totally informed them of the problem and they ignored it cause "contract dispute" or some flimsy shit

  12. Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Internal investigation" by "board-appointed special committee" (how do I fit more quotes around that?).

    I, for one, am shocked they they found no wrong doing!

    1. Re:Shocked! by ACE209 · · Score: 1

      I think its not the number but the placement of quotes.
      More like:
      internal "investigation" by board-appointed "special" comittee.

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  13. Seems legit to me by theGhostPony · · Score: 1

    It's not as if any crimes were committed. Oh, wait...

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  14. Re:The report, prepared by a board-appointed speci by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How pleasantly bigoted of you.

  15. Uh huh, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The report, prepared by a board-appointed special committee, concludes that none of the four executives were poor enough to be held accountable for anything.

  16. *cough*llshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They just re-worded the scene from Revenge of the Nerds. "We'll appoint a special blue-ribbon-fact-finding-committee" made up of course by the jocks.

    We just have to wait for the *real* investiga.. oh wait, nevermind, Trump's buddies will serve no-time.

  17. Deregulation by Waccoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any time someone says the free market can police itself, refer them to situations like this.

    1. Re:Deregulation by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      Only idiots and liberals making straw man arguments say that. The question has always been enough regulation and oversight to keep businesses honest but not too much that you stifle industry and growth.

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    2. Re: Deregulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Normally the deregulation argument is about removing as much red tape as possible and trusting industry to police itself. The banks figured out it is easier to capture the regulators than remove them.

    3. Re:Deregulation by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Any time someone says the free market can police itself, refer them to situations like this.

      ... and then they will correctly point out that this is not a free market. Free markets have information transparency, and sales based on insider trading are inherently asymmetric.

      Here is the official Libertarian view on insider trading: It should not be a crime. Instead, individual companies should have policies and employment contracts restricting what insiders can do. Those companies that refrain from restricting insider trading will find their stock trading at a discount, and will pay more for capital. This will give companies a strong incentive to have robust rules and to enforce them rigorously. They will likely do a better job than the SEC, which has a rather pathetic record.

    4. Re:Deregulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      enough regulation and oversight to keep businesses honest

      You won't ever reach that point. You think of a regulation, they think about "how to work around" it. Its a perpetuum mobile.

      but not too much that you stifle industry and growth

      Every rule which disallows a businesses something (or forces them to do something) will (be proclaimed to) do so.

      ... Regardless if such a rule was put in place because an industry abused their position to gauge their customers.

      Heck, I still see EULAs which state that they do not (want to) take any responsibility in case their software cannot be used for the purpose it was advertised (and bought) for (and you can say bye-bye to your money) ... (not legal/enforcable in Europe, thank youverymuch).

    5. Re:Deregulation by slashrio · · Score: 1

      Why, it worked, didn't it?
      The matter was investigated, no wrong doing found.
      Case closed. ...No?

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    6. Re:Deregulation by johnnys · · Score: 1

      The golden calf named "information transparency" is exactly why "libertarianism" can never work.

      "Information transparency" is a ideal state which can never be achieved, since there will ALWAYS be a person or group who can benefit by manipulating, obfuscating or hiding information and will do so.

      Look at the efforts by Russia to influence elections around the world using social media: The original idea of social media was to allow people to freely communicate and share information for their own benefit, while allowing the providers to make some money off aggregating the information in a relatively harmless way.

      What we GOT from social media is a massive propaganda machine that is being used by power brokers to twist unsuspecting minds and commit mass surveillance. Much of the political polarization and build-up of angst in western culture can be traced to this massive and malicious abuse of social media. Note also it has been abused both by outsiders AND insiders.

      So the holy grail of "Information transparency" is right there on the web RIGHT NOW: Funny how it has been twisted and made into a weapon!

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  18. Lesson learned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The review was designed to pinpoint the date on which each of the four senior officers first learned of the security investigation that uncovered the breach and to determine whether any of those officers was informed of or otherwise learned of the security investigation before his trades were executed," the report states.

    If I ever climb the downward corporate escalator, I need to make sure to appoint a committee or provide limited power of attorney, in order to sell shares without my knowledge, prior to an event that results in a stock depreciation of 30% or more.

  19. Yeah, I call bullshit... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    So they "reviewed" 55,000 documents. At just one minute per document, that works out to about 920 man hours of work just to look at them all, much less to understand them.

    And yeah, I'm going to trust the "internal review" of a company that has already proved it has a corporate culture as trustworthy and reliable as Kevin Spacey in a roomful of naked teenage boys.

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  20. To be fair by aldousd666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    big companies that reward their executives with stock, or large numbers of options, usually put restrictions on the sale as part of the contract. For example, the most common contract is that they can sell their stock, but only on a 6-month schedule. So they had to have it scheduled for sale at least 6 months ahead of time. I have no knowledge of Equifax in particular, but this is SOP. It would raise a shit ton of eyebrows if not. And, if it's only just a little over a million bucks, that sounds to me like they had it scheduled. Because, if they were playing the inside they'd have made a shit-ton more than that between them.

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    1. Re:To be fair by geekmux · · Score: 3, Insightful

      big companies that reward their executives with stock, or large numbers of options, usually put restrictions on the sale as part of the contract. For example, the most common contract is that they can sell their stock, but only on a 6-month schedule. So they had to have it scheduled for sale at least 6 months ahead of time. I have no knowledge of Equifax in particular, but this is SOP. It would raise a shit ton of eyebrows if not. And, if it's only just a little over a million bucks, that sounds to me like they had it scheduled. Because, if they were playing the inside they'd have made a shit-ton more than that between them.

      And is it also SOP for the board of the company being investigated to be in charge of the investigation? To be fair, that is what reeks of the most bullshit here.

      Well that, and the fact that executives are playing dumb to not knowing about the largest breach in company history for days. Either they're corrupt and knew about the breach, or they're incompetent for holding a keep-me-in-the-dark policy regarding cyberattacks. Which is it?

    2. Re: To be fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They knew of breaches since March and did not report. The 6 month window would have come and gone.

    3. Re:To be fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who is to say that they didn't do exactly that buying and selling by proxy?

    4. Re:To be fair by MikeDataLink · · Score: 2

      the most common contract is that they can sell their stock, but only on a 6-month schedule

      Yes, and many companies also have auto-buys and auto-sells for senior executives. They have no choice. This is designed to put the fire under their ass. If your stock will auto sell 1 million shares after the earnings call, it best be a good quarter! ;-)

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    5. Re:To be fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think incompetent. You would be surprised what people don't know or are unaware of. The bigger the organization the more it happens.

    6. Re:To be fair by helga+the+viking · · Score: 1

      Stock buybacks and whatnot. Talking to all kinds of engineers who have to deal with these people the whole corporate stucture is flawed by design. http://www.businessinsider.com...

  21. Thanks, I will wait for the Criminal Investigation by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nice try Equifax, but I will wait for the findings and recommendations of the federal investigators, not some stooges you hired to put out what amounts to a PR statement.

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  22. Pre-Enter Sell orders by mysidia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How about if you are an executive, then for every quarter you Pre-Enter a Sell Order assuming something bad will happen.... If you don't learn of anything catastrophic happening, then cancel or modify your sell order before it occurs and/or before it has to be reported.

    Any investigation will basically always show you knew nothing about what the bad thing was at the time you created the order ----- Because it's what you knew when you failed to cancel your order as otherwise intended that matters.

    1. Re:Pre-Enter Sell orders by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Can you do that? I mean selling when you know something bad happened and not selling when you know something good happened sounds like two sides of the exact same coin. I thought the entire point of the SEC filings was to say in advance that you've committed to selling stock to reduce speculation that the sale is due to undisclosed numbers or breaking events. Obviously if a crisis has been long in the making like this it doesn't always help, but it's only supposed to be a speed bump not a full protection against inside trading.

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    2. Re:Pre-Enter Sell orders by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Can you do that? I mean selling when you know something bad happened and not selling when you know something good happened sounds like two sides of the exact same coin.

      I don't know.... It would still be insider trading, BUT impossible for an investigation that makes certain assumptions to prove.

      That's the the thing with trades is they can be cancelled at the last second. The decision to actually cancel is likely to be met with less scrutiny, although a long pattern of cancelling orders might cause some suspicion.

    3. Re:Pre-Enter Sell orders by mysidia · · Score: 1

      I found it interesting when I read that the SEC considers it NOT insider trading to cancel an order based on insider information.

  23. Re:Thanks, I will wait for the Criminal Investigat by SumDog · · Score: 1

    I doubt that anything will come of that either. Is anyone from the 2008 financial collapse in jail? No, of course not. There is a different standard of justice for the 1%, because they control everything.

  24. Re:The report, prepared by a board-appointed speci by Luthair · · Score: 1

    Even if they weren't sent an email, its hard to imagine they didn't hear something at the water cooler.

  25. Re:The report, prepared by a board-appointed speci by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or that they were notified of the site weaknesses found in December 2016....gosh no!

  26. Conclusion: executives were clueless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Does this come as a surprise?

    1. Re:Conclusion: executives were clueless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does this come as a surprise?

      Given the duties and responsibilities of a CIO and CSO working for a public company in 2017? Fuck yes it is.

  27. Remove the beam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, much snark.
    Yet for some reason you can't see how this situation exactly mirrors having all of Hilldawg's cronies "investigate" her numerous wrongdoings. You see that as A-OK.

    Remove the beam from your eye, Pope.

    1. Re:Remove the beam by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Yet for some reason you can't see how this situation exactly mirrors having all of Hilldawg's cronies "investigate" her numerous wrongdoings.

      There have been dozens of Republican investigations into Hillary Clinton, by every far-right congressional jack-off you can think of. They've all come up with nothing

      Robert Mueller is a Republican. He's also a highly decorated war hero. His military decorations and awards include: the Bronze Star Medal with Combat "V", Purple Heart Medal, two Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medals with Combat "V", Combat Action Ribbon, National Defense Service Medal, Vietnam Service Medal with three 316" bronze stars, Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross, Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal, and Parachutist Badge.

      He served as FBI director under both Republican and Democratic administrations. And now, as Special Prosecutor, he's already taking Trump administration scalps. Number of arrests of Obama Administration officials over eight years? Zero. Number of Trump administration officials arrested or had to resign in disgrace just in the first 10 months of his presidency? I count an even dozen, including Trump's choice for chief scientist at the USDA, Sam Clovis.

      So take that beam and stick it straight up your alt-right ass.

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    2. Re:Remove the beam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like how on the one hand you calculate Obama administration officials arrested over eight years, then on the other hand you include Trump officials also forced to resign in disgrace (Van Jones anyone?) Very fair and reasonable of you, sir ;)

      CAPTCHA: Opacity, as in lacking transparency.

    3. Re:Remove the beam by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Okay, to be fair, let's count the Obama administration officials who had to resign in disgrace Van Jones is one, pretty minor (as opposed to, say, Tom Price, who was a cabinet secretary), and it's arguable if it's in "disgrace" although he was forced out because of controversy, true enough. Any others?

    4. Re:Remove the beam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, one person resigning for taking heat for some political statements is equivalent to a dozen people resigning, some being indicted, for colluding with a hostile foreign power to manipulate a Democratic election? This is the foreign government you guys would be building bomb shelters in your back yards in fear of just a few decades ago...

      Too bad McCarthy wasn't around to pull a witch hunt on all these Russian sympathizers...

    5. Re:Remove the beam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing? Have you seen what's been going on with the Uranium One investigation? Hardly "nothing". And it seems your hero Mueller was involved. Not looking good for the DNC, Obama, the Clintons, or anyone involved with them. Not looking good at all..

      But you come across as the kind of guy that gets your news from the MSM, where they don't talk about this because it's damning to their agends, so you're blissfully ignorant about the affair.

      So keep cawing about that $50k or $100k or whatever it was in Facebook ads, and ignoring the $100M+ payoff from a foreign government for access to the key ingredient for nuclear weapons. Once again, DNC/libs prove to be hypocritical projectionists, accusing others of doing what they themselves are guilty of.

  28. LOL @ "internal investigation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That means jack shit. Time for the external investigators to begin their investigation.

  29. uranium one is illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    trump, crystal clear

  30. hackmania by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  31. Re:The report, prepared by a board-appointed speci by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not genocide if it's a white people's culture you're destroying.

  32. Your ignorance and cynicism colluded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The board is looking to be able to blame them, and failed. The investigation is a defensive move to cast blame on the execs, not a defensive move to avoid blame.

    That and an 11 day timeline? You've never sat on bad news before bringing it to your boss, ever. Particularly news so bad you're probably going to get fired? Right.

    1. Re:Your ignorance and cynicism colluded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've never sat on bad news before bringing it to your boss, ever. Particularly news so bad you're probably going to get fired? Right.

      Ah yes, the old psychological projection defense. An oldie but goodie.

    2. Re:Your ignorance and cynicism colluded by Maritz · · Score: 1

      That and an 11 day timeline? You've never sat on bad news before bringing it to your boss, ever. Particularly news so bad you're probably going to get fired? Right.

      Well, this shouldn't have to be said, but just because you're incompetent as fuck doesn't mean everyone is incompetent as fuck.

      The answer is no, I've never had to tell any boss something so bad I'd be fired, because I generally know what I'm fucking doing. These wankers knew what they were doing when they sold stock, and they did not know what they were doing when setting up a secure environment.

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  33. I'm not surprised, motherfuckers! by blind+biker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So the Equifax board, composed of people who play golf with and has hired these execs, has cleared the execs of wrongdoing? What a fucking surprise.

    In a better world, both the execs, the board, and the committee they appointed, would be chilling in the slammer right now.

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    1. Re:I'm not surprised, motherfuckers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right on.!

  34. Re: The report, prepared by a board-appointed spec by oobayly · · Score: 1

    That's my take on it. I'd be willing to accept that they didn't know specifically about the breach. However they probably had heard that something had happened which would negatively affect share prices.

  35. 10b-51 plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IF they sold as part of a previously set to 10b-51, then it's highly likely that the execs are clear.

    IF not, NO ONE slightly smart would leave any sort of trail ... Tho it takes balls to sell after unsider knowledge.

    I really want to know how this company can lose my info, and STILL be referenced by a bank when someone goes for a mortgage.

  36. Re:The report, prepared by a board-appointed speci by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Culture? He was talking about Atlanta!

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  37. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Last time I checked a company cannot clear someone of criminal wrong doing. These execs need to be looked at by the Justice department.

    Nice try Equifax.

    1. Re:What? by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked a company cannot clear someone of criminal wrong doing. These execs need to be looked at by the Justice department.

      The Feds are part of the problem as they (both parties) are more corrupt than who you're asking them to prosecute. If you have enough wealth & power then what happens is along the lines of what we've seen occur in recent history

      "...found no criminal intent..."..."no reasonable prosecutor would...bring charges..."

      Since government touches almost everything, a corrupt government means corruption everywhere.

      Strat

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  38. Re:The report, prepared by a board-appointed speci by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    Watercoolers are for the interested or those managers that feign interest by talking down the line. This is Equifax we're talking about. I have no doubt that these people have an ivory tower built withing a cone of silence.

  39. Re:Thanks, I will wait for the Criminal Investigat by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    People get put in jail for insider trading all the time. The problem is what looks like insider trading often isn't more than pure co-incidence. E.g. they sold stocks the day before the announcement? Have you tried selling company stock options before? With the restrictions in place they likely had been working on this sale for months, or it was scheduled as part of the standard remuneration vesting.

  40. While it may be standard by Pollux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It needs to stop.

    About 8 years ago, I read a book called "The Battle for the Soul of Capitalism", by John Bogle, founder of Vanguard. In one of his chapters, he makes a case for ending executive stock-option compensation. The original intentions of stock-option compensation were to provide executives an incentive to perform well; as Bogle puts it, "align management's interests with those of shareholders".

    But Bogle went on to explain a key difference between executives and shareholders. Executive interests are short-term, while shareholders are invested long-term. Most individuals still invest long-term, and a substantial percentage of the stock market is locked away in retirement 401k's / 403b's, or in pension account investments. That money's not going anywhere anytime soon. But executives want their salaries as big as possible, as soon as possible. So, rather than executives making business decisions with long-term interests in mind, they selfishly make business decisions that maximize short-term values with little interest in how those decisions will affect the value of the company beyond the sell date of their stock compensation, 401k's be damned.

    And that's why we need to end stock-option compensation.

    1. Re:While it may be standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So a bonus then, for slashing costs, employees and people on the streets?

      Captcha: ersatz

    2. Re:While it may be standard by trawg · · Score: 1

      Interesting! Book sounds cool, added to my "hopefully I'll have time to read this one day" list.

      The point totally makes sense, but isn't it an easy fix to tie stock option compensation to long term performance? Just make it so the shares don't vest for five years or more so the short-term incentive to pump and dump is removed?

  41. Once again, the facts don't support the mob by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 2

    As I said at the time, the amounts of stock the three execs sold in this particular date range were small percentages of their overall holdings and less than amounts they sold earlier in the year (and, I suspect if someone were to take the time to look, the prior year as well, etc.) If they really were trying to liquidate their holdings in response to bad news, they did a pretty poor job of it.

    And look at it this way: if they really did know about the breach, they would have well understood that selling into that bad news would have triggered exactly the reaction it did, creating a huge amount of both civil and criminal risk in exchange for what was for them a fairly small amount of money.

    I know conspiracy theories are fun, but I'm holding out hope for a thoughtful response this time.

  42. They carefully looked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For information that only might indicate they're innocent. You don't have to be told "The stock is gonna tank because we did X" to know that X is something being done and not yet out in the open. But they assiduously did not look for when information about X being heard and only the "The stock will tank because of X".

  43. Or you can't sell the stock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you can't sell the stock until 5 years after you leave, the horizon for prediction will be 5 years, not the next quarter, and the more stock held in the company the riskier the job is, therefore the more careful the execs will be. And if it's still after you leave, then there will be more care placed in the replacement choice.

  44. We have investigated ourselves... by BadTuna · · Score: 1

    ... and found we have done nothing wrong.

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  45. BULL... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fucking shit.

  46. Forensic accounting, call in law enforcement. by helga+the+viking · · Score: 1

    Oh phew at least they acted legally says their own internal investigation.

    I burnt the house down then tried to incriminate the neighbour but hey my own investigation team says i am not guilty of the latter. Lets try and forget the house burning incident too ;-)

    Poor Americans, this is like most of you are enrolled in an anti-lottery. That means if you win some criminal chose your identity to conduct fraud.

    If USA had a real government department to enforce this stuff they would have shut down equifax immediately. In the same way as banks work: banks don't/cant go broke but if run badly at solvency risk the auditors come in and take over the administration of the bank. Equifax just uses this whole turbid event to try and sell dodgy insurance products against a breach they created. Ultimate white collar criminals.

  47. I wonder ... by PPH · · Score: 2

    ... if these executives will be able to clear their records of these events in the Experian and TransUnion databases.

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  48. Re:The report, prepared by a board-appointed speci by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Water coolers or office wet bars. When there's money to be made, ivory towers become easily accessible, and cones of silence effortlessly lifted.

  49. Great, more government overreach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The government needs to not be in how people buy/sell stock in any way, shape, or form. You can see the poisonous taint of socialism, pure and simple. Thankfully, the wise men of Congress are removing this from our government slowly, but surely, be it far better tax laws in front of Congress, to letting the engines of economic growth do what they do best without the burden of excessive taxation.

    If they have stock, it is their right to sell it at any time. If the security breach was known about privately, that doesn't change anything, and it is their right (like a salary perk) to dump stock and short it before the breach comes out, due to the company positions they hold. Don't like it, feel free to move to a socialist nation that likely will collapse, while the US rides the highest stock figures in history, showing the current libertarian values in place, are what a country needs.

  50. Anyone buying this by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    Load of crap?

  51. Yeah. And if you believe that... by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

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  52. Nothing to see here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aw gee, their internal investigation cleared their executives? That sounds totally legit. I'm glad that's over. Nothing to see here... Move along.

  53. Would we lie to you ? by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

    "The report, prepared by a board-appointed special committee"

    That whole asking the " fox to guard the hen house " thing comes to mind.

    No wrong doing found here. No sir. Nothing to see, move along.

  54. In related news ... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    An investigation performed by a skulk of foxes into the mysterious deaths of five chickens in a nearby coop revealed no obvious cause and that reports of chicken feathers found in piles of fox poop near the scene were fake news.

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  55. We Have Investigated Ourselves.. by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    EQUIFAX: We have investigated ourselves, and found that we have done nothing wrong.

    SEC: Cool. As you were.

  56. Re:The report, prepared by a board-appointed speci by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually I'm guessing their findings basically found there were no emails or internal memos of the top people being informed officially about the hack. And everyone else was too concerned about getting fired to rat on the boss.

    Amazing what you can tell people in person though.

  57. Re: yeah...foxes agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The foxes all agreed the henhouse is safe.

  58. Let us expand the scope now,. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    Let us expand the scope of the criminal investigation by outside law enforcement agencies to include this investigation too. Let us check how diligent these investigators were, what documents these guys chose not to see, and see what this investigation did not know, and when they did not know it.

    Further let us also investigate why the top officials were not informed of important security issues. Also let us investigate the board for paying such salaries and compensation with no requirement to know, with no real responsibility.

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  59. I bet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you took 4 random supermax residents and asked them to do an investigation to see if they were guilty,
    they would carefully study the matter and decide that, no they were innocent.

    Why is this case different, in terms of controlling the investigation of one's self?

  60. We asked them if they knew and they said "no". by Maritz · · Score: 1

    Glad that's all cleared up then.

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  61. Such BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on... how naive / corrupt can you get. Apparently insider trading is only illegal if you're not at the top. Double standards... always.