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Should Developers Do All Their Own QA? (itnews.com.au)

An anonymous reader quotes IT News: Fashion retailer The Iconic is no longer running quality assurance as a separate function within its software development process, having shifted QA responsibilities directly onto developers... "We decided: we've got all these [developers] who are [coding] every day, and they're testing their own work -- we don't need a second layer of advice on it," head of development Oliver Brennan told the New Relic FutureStack conference in Sydney last week. "It just makes people lazy..."

Such a move has the obvious potential to create problems should a developer drop the ball; to make sure the impact of any unforeseen issues is minimised for customers, The Iconic introduced feature toggles -- allowing developers to turn off troublesome functionality without having to deploy new code. Every new feature that goes into production must now sit behind one of these toggles, which dictates whether a user is served the new or old version of the feature in question. The error rates between the new and old versions are then monitored for any discrepancies... While Brennan is no fan of "people breaking things", he argues moving fast is more beneficial for customers.

"If our site is down now, people will generally come back later," Brennan adds, and the company has now moved all of its QA workers into engineering roles.

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  1. Rotate by sycodon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    EVERYONE on your team should be a developer.

    But QA should come from that pool for one project. Swap them out for the next, etc.

    Developers working at QA know where the mistakes are likely to be.

    Developers testing their own shit subconsciously avoid the shoddy parts.

    This also keeps the team as one.

    It's like a platoon of Marines taking turns burning the shit.

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    1. Re:Rotate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's not surprising, the two groups that are best for finding bugs are the power users and the completely incompetent. And the power users are likely not the same type of people that are doing the programming.

      I've personally got a talent for breaking software by doing innocuous things that should have been tested for.

    2. Re: Rotate by CODiNE · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The incompetent person in your example is the developer who let the same order be sent 100x.

      It's normal to refresh or try again when a page hangs. Or do you sit there for several minutes before you try again? At the least they could deactivate the submit button once clicked, the right solution is an order token that is only accepted once.

      I bet you only press the cross-walk button once too. Wouldn't want to break the signal!

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  2. Re:no by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Exactly. Some people are good at writing code. Some people are good at finding errors.

    Modern writing has gone to hell compared to even cheap books written when I was young. As long as the word is correctly spelled it gets thru to being published. You read the atrocious error, get jarred out of the book, then resume reading.

    In development, the atrocious error is a loss of all data on the screen, or the program hangs, or you can't update an amount if you come at the screen from one particular set of commands.

    Heck- the system IBM wrote for us years ago literally dumped an entire order if any error occurred. A half an hour of work lost. Because they treated it the same as ordering one item from amazon instead of ordering 130 items each with different quantities.

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