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Amazon Discounts Other Sellers' Products as Retail Competition Stiffens (reuters.com)

Amazon is slashing prices of products from third-party sellers on its website, moving beyond its more typical method of discounts on items it sells directly. From a report: The "discount provided by Amazon" applies to products including board games and technological gadgets offered by other merchants as the holiday season approaches. The retailer has been trying to compete aggressively on some items to win sales and draw customers away from low-priced rivals like Wal-Mart Stores. The move allows Amazon to sell the products at lower prices while still giving full price to the sellers. "When Amazon provides a discount, customers get the products they want at a price they'll love, and small businesses receive increased sales at their listed asking price," an Amazon spokeswoman said in an emailed statement, noting that businesses can opt out at any time.

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  1. Wonderful by hackertourist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the old "drive all your competitors out of business" ploy. This time, powered by a global conglomerate.

    1. Re:Wonderful by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sure, but this time it's Amazon doing it to Wal-Mart. All the little fish were eaten long ago. Now the big fish only have each other to feed off of.

      30 years ago, Wal-Mart pushed all the small shops out of the small towns; now, Wal-Mart is pulling up roots in those same small towns, leaving the residents with no retail grocery options.

      What happens to the bears (consumers) when all the fish have devoured one another, and the lake stands empty?

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    2. Re:Wonderful by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      30 years ago, Wal-Mart pushed all the small shops out of the small towns; now, Wal-Mart is pulling up roots in those same small towns, leaving the residents with no retail grocery options.

      What happens to the bears (consumers) when all the fish have devoured one another, and the lake stands empty?

      I dunno....maybe the mom and pop stores come back?

      In business like anything else, if there is a void, it will be filled.

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    3. Re:Wonderful by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      I never said anything about "the hood," and FYI it's pretty telling that you make the assumption that food deserts only exist in high-crime sections of large cities.

      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/w...

      Potosi, MO isn't even close to what anyone would consider a "ghetto," but without Wal-Mart, the residents are looking at a 40+ mile drive just for daily necessities.

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    4. Re:Wonderful by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2

      Last time this happened (about 130 years ago), the government had to step in and break up the monopolies in the U.S. Once monopolies grow enough, it becomes impossible to compete and it's a certain lost to invest money trying to compete.

      They are charging $20 for something that costs $3 to make.
      You start selling it for $12, so they start selling it for $2 until you go out of business.
      Then they move the price back up to $20.

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    5. Re: Wonderful by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      but I've been poor, and I would never buy produce. It's expensive. It goes bad quickly, so a lot of it just ends up getting thrown out,

      I've been semi-poor...as in college student poor, working, going to school...etc.

      I like to cook and I'm able to....I found that I bought whatever produce was on sale, and would look at the mark down bin for meat.....and I would eat like a king for less money that others were spending for FF.

      Yes, I do eat leftovers, so nothing is wasted....and if there are bits and pieces laying in the fridge, they don't go to waste...that's what jambalaya is for....

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  2. Can anyone say "monopoly"? by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't this a perfect example of monopolistic behaviour? Use your large size to sell a service at zero or even below cost to drive anyone not using your service out of business?

    1. Re: Can anyone say "monopoly"? by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      It's a near monopoly in the USA. We can expect the same kinds of games and tricks Microsoft pulled, such as taking a loss in Market A to gain market share in Market B to force out competition, forced bundling, ghost product announcements, and other tricks pioneered by the likes of Standard Oil and IBM.

    2. Re:Can anyone say "monopoly"? by Gilgaron · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In this instance, though, they're nominally supporting third party vendors that they are just a payment processor and business aggregator for... it'd sort of be like if Walmart backed coupons for other stores in the same strip mall.

  3. An end run around collecting sales tax by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Amazon sells nearly everything its third-party sellers do. I noticed after Amazon started collecting sales tax in my state they began to feature third-party sellers much more prominently in my browsing sessions, none of who collect sales tax because they're mostly virtual resellers with a physical presence in only one state. Amazon still makes money by charging transaction fees on the seller. The fact they're subsidizing discounts for these third-party sellers is more proof of Amazon's sales tax strategy.

    1. Re:An end run around collecting sales tax by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In that case, the 3rd-party seller is supposed to collect sales tax for customers any state where Amazon is warehousing their inventory (which could be over 20 states, each usually requiring separate registration and quarterly filing).

      I can imagine that the number of sellers actually 100% compliant with this crazy system is pretty small.

  4. people still buy from Amazon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I haven't bought from Amazon in 2 years because they aren't competitive with brick and mortar stores anymore. If I buy online it's through in store pickup at Walmart or best buy. Also, brick and mortar stores will price match Amazon; so.... No need to even buy from them. I don't want to wait days for something.... And, for fast service you want me to pay for prime? Lol nty

  5. Walmart gets Walmarted and I don't like it by RhettLivingston · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the late 80s - early 90s time frame, Sam's and Pace (owned by KMart) were in competition. There were over a dozen Pace Membership Warehouses in the St. Louis metropolitan area by my recollection. I personally preferred Pace and thus watched what happened with interest.

    Walmart decided they wanted the business. They proceeded to build a Sam's within sight of almost every Pace at great expense because they had to get whatever land was there instead of cherry-picking sites. It was so blatant that you knew what was going on from day one. After doing so, they opened the stores, set the prices below Pace (running them all at a loss), and fairly quickly put the Pace stores out of business. They then built some more new stores in the area with a different distribution so that they could cover the area with fewer stores and closed down almost everything they had built to put Pace out of business. When Pace started talking lawsuit, Walmart purchased the corpses to shut them up.

    In a remarkably short time, we went from a competitive market to a monopoly market.

    I sincerely hope that we're not seeing similar tactics happen here, but now to Walmart. Having Amazon in competition with Walmart helps us. Losing Walmart in that competition would put us right back in the monopoly situation with an even stronger predator.

  6. Re:Wal-Mart is going to lose this fight. by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    It's not like Amazon has a workplace reputation for being rainbows and lollipops.

  7. Amazon Seller Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I know they are trying to paint a happy face on this, but over the past year Amazon has instituted a number of seller hostile policies and we are getting pretty sick of it. Most recently - very recently - Amazon instituted an automatic return policy. It used to be that we would get a return request notification with a reason selected and an explanation from the buyer. This allowed me to save many sales or otherwise turn some frowns upside down. A return request was a great way to get a good seller review. Being able to offer customer service on returns also helped reveal scammers. Now if a buyer wants a refund, they just pick an option, usually "bought by mistake" or "did not need" with no written explanation. Still want to contact the buyer? Too late, they already printed out the prepaid return label and it's on its way. The seller pays for the prepaid return label. Have a policy that the cost of the label will be deducted from the return? The buyer can file a claim to dispute that and will usually win. Otherwise you get a nasty review out spite, and there is nothing to do about that either. Need a new guitar for a gig this weekend but you have to pay rent in two weeks? No problem! So we can opt out huh? Yeah, right. This week maybe.

    I would rather not have posted this anon, but Amazon has become so big brother the paranoia is justified.

  8. Re:Bye Bye Toys-R-Us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The final nail in the coffin of Toys-R-Us was when they stopped differentiating and just carried the same stuff that everyone else did. They decided to compete only on price, and they should have known they would lose.

    They stopped carrying all the cool toys. That is what killed them.

  9. Make money by selling on Amazon! by iTrawl · · Score: 4, Funny

    No, this isn't the usual scheme. Put your stuff for sale on Amazon and buy it back at a discount. Then sell it again and again and again until Amazon stops giving you free money.

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  10. Re:Wal-Mart is going to lose this fight. by i286NiNJA · · Score: 2

    Sure. But the compensation package is just good enough to keep people around until they're fully vested and then they take it out the door, it's common to take a long break from work after the end of a stint at AMZN. That's Amazon's formula for keeping top talent around until they're totally burned out and can be replaced with a fresh crop of good engineers to burn.

    You can't pull off that trick with Walmart's attitude towards workers.