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'Something Is Wrong On the Internet' (medium.com)

"Someone or something or some combination of people and things is using YouTube to systematically frighten, traumatize, and abuse children, automatically and at scale, and it forces me to question my own beliefs about the internet, at every level," writes James Bridle. From the article: To begin: Kid's YouTube is definitely and markedly weird. I've been aware of its weirdness for some time. Last year, there were a number of articles posted about the Surprise Egg craze. Surprise Eggs videos depict, often at excruciating length, the process of unwrapping Kinder and other egg toys. That's it, but kids are captivated by them. There are thousands and thousands of these videos and thousands and thousands, if not millions, of children watching them. [...] What I find somewhat disturbing about the proliferation of even (relatively) normal kids videos is the impossibility of determining the degree of automation which is at work here; how to parse out the gap between human and machine. The New York Times, last week: Parents and children have flocked to Google-owned YouTube Kids since it was introduced in early 2015. The app's more than 11 million weekly viewers are drawn in by its seemingly infinite supply of clips, including those from popular shows by Disney and Nickelodeon, and the knowledge that the app is supposed to contain only child-friendly content that has been automatically filtered from the main YouTube site. But the app contains dark corners, too, as videos that are disturbing for children slip past its filters, either by mistake or because bad actors have found ways to fool the YouTube Kids algorithms. In recent months, parents like Ms. Burns have complained that their children have been shown videos with well-known characters in violent or lewd situations and other clips with disturbing imagery, sometimes set to nursery rhymes.

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  1. What a terrible headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Something is wrong on the Internet" does not immediately translate to "so let me tell you about these absolutely bizarre and potentially illegal Youtube videos."

    1. Re:What a terrible headline by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      The same parents that watch afternoon talk and court shows and scripted reality shows?

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    2. Re:What a terrible headline by Bryansix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Children tend to have a hard time distinguishing fantasy from reality. Usually they mistake unreal things for real but occasionally they mistake real things for unreal. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...

      However, that isn't the only problem here. There is also the problem of being exposed to and having to deal with the very idea of violence and physical harm. To you or me, we are probably desensitized to such an idea. People die every day and we know it. A child hasn't processed this kind of reality and the first time they do process it, it will be hard even if they know it is unreal. This is because, they still have to address in their minds that it can happen in reality.

    3. Re:What a terrible headline by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well,
      kids (depending on age) are not scared by macabre jokes/cartoons.

      When I grew up we had a joke type called 'alle Kinder', aka 'all children', sorry I can not make perfect rhymes, as I lack knowledge about english names, but I try:

      All the children are watching the burning house,
      But not _Klaus_ (should rhyme with house)
      he looks out of the window (in german it would rhyme with house: 'er schaut raus')

      All the children are up to the neck in mud/swamp
      but not Porter,
      he is shorter.

      All the children watch the burning car
      just not Kell
      he is in the seat belt.

      I don't recall anyone getting psychological problems from such jokes ... but well, we are a tough generation! (*flex*)

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    4. Re:What a terrible headline by war4peace · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Must have been a "modern" psychologist bullshitting you like that.
      I don't remember the first time I was exposed to the concept of death, but it must have been before I was 4, when I buried my dead cat with help from my grandparents. I remember having been familiar with the concept of disease (cat died because it was sick) and physical harm (chicken and pigs being slaughtered for food, for example).

      At the countryside, kids are exposed to these things from start. If kids reach the age of 3-4 and are not yet exposed to reality of this kind (living things die, harm may happen to them, etc) then they're not raised well. Helicopter parenting is a plague - remember that.

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    5. Re:What a terrible headline by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Children tend to have a hard time distinguishing fantasy from reality. Usually they mistake unreal things for real but occasionally they mistake real things for unreal.

      Then I guess today's children are getting more stupid with every generation somehow.

      I grew up in the days of cartoons every afternoon and Saturday all morning....in the days of NON- censored Loony Tunes.....I knew full well at the youngest age I have memories that cartoon violence was different than reality.

      I knew that the anvil that hit Wily Coyote was not real and would kill a real person or animal.

      Hell, I remember one old Bugs Bunny cartoon....where he saw Elmer asleep against a tree...and Bugs whipped out a bottle of sleeping pills, labeled "Take Deeze and Dose"....gulped them down and fell asleep there too so he could enter Elmers dream and mess with him there.

      I saw this same cartoon not long back...and that part with the sleeping pills? It was fucking edited OUT?!?!

      Seriously? We can't let kids see that anymore? The snowflakes are now too sensitive, and can't know cartoon from reality?

      Ugh....

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    6. Re:What a terrible headline by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't remember the first time I was exposed to the concept of death, but it must have been before I was 4, when I buried my dead cat with help from my grandparents.

      Yes. With your grandparents or another adult right beside you. Not some anonymous asshole from 4chan who gets off on scarring you. Context.

    7. Re:What a terrible headline by Gr8Apes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just watch the original Pinocchio... the smoking, drinking, and general adult behavior in a "kid's" show may surprise you. What's even more surprising is that few adults remember any of those things when they saw it as kids, they do remember Pinocchio made some bad choices, but mostly his nose grew when he lied, and he was a wooden puppet. Oh, and he turned into a real boy.

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    8. Re:What a terrible headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I never saw Pinochio. Thanks for the spoiler alert, asshole.

  2. Ms. Burns by Osgeld · · Score: 5, Insightful

    quit showing your kids stuff you don't like, you are the parent and are responsible for what they consume you dink

  3. Did somebody bring Happy Tree Friends back? by ffkom · · Score: 5, Funny

    If that is what happened, then please tell me the URLs, it was one of my favourite shows!

    (Here is some older example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... )

  4. It's almost like.... by whyyisthissohard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's almost like some one is profiting from the effects of these attacks our childrens' minds. Like some one wants people to grow up and be triggered into hyperactivity by certain cues from screaming colors and sounds.
    *glances at media-driven political feud*
    I wonder why???????

  5. Obligatory xkcd by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Funny
  6. Eh... by Gilgaron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Next thing you know they'll be on Slashdot and click a link to goatse!

  7. How Hard Is It To Curate Youtube KIDS Properly??? by dryriver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So you are creating a Youtube site/app for Kids and are using _algorithms_ to keep the kids safe from bad content? Er, Google... how many tens of Billion dollars does your company have in its coffers? Is it so bloody hard to hire 500 people whose job it is to watch the videos and determine whether they are suitable for kids?

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  8. An example by Harlequin80 · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is a video where gentle music plays and cutesy version of my little ponies slide across the screen into a box full of cotton wool. That is the original version. Goes for about 2 minutes. Sounds like torture when described like that but the kids liked it.

    Someone released a version where about 90 seconds in the box of cotton wool is replaced with a box of nails and the pony is eviscerated by them. There is also a change in the audio to a distorted "Oh Fuck". And it then goes back to the cutesy version.

    No other reason to do that then to get past the automated filters and mess with little kids.

    1. Re:An example by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No other reason to do that then to get past the automated filters and mess with little kids.

      Yup, some people are just plain ol' tacky assholes.

      What I don't get is how people think a website that literally anyone can upload a video to is a good babysitter for their kid. I mean, you wouldn't set up a playpen in the middle of Union Station and just leave little Johnny Bastard to the wolves, would you?

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  9. Question my beliefs? by Headw1nd · · Score: 3, Funny

    On the contrary, this only strengthens my beliefs about the internet. Like all the rest of it, at the very root is some man jacking off.

  10. oh wait ... by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 3

    ... so it is OK for me to not let my kids have smart phones and for me to police their internet usage?

    Because the rest of the time that supposedly makes us backward freaks.

  11. Re:How Hard Is It To Curate Youtube KIDS Properly? by WolfgangVL · · Score: 3

    Can you imagine the trauma stories that would come out of that office? Have you ever actually sat and watched legit children's programming? I doubt the smut-porn police would last more than a week.

    Seriously though, if you replace the babysitter with a computer, your gonna get trolled. EVERY. TIME.

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  12. Internet is not the problem, you are by joao.cordeiro · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The internet is like going outside it has war, killers, morons, sex, violence.
    And it should stay that way, as it should reflect all humans in this planet, not just middle class parents.

    The problem is ppl like you that think the internet could replace you as a parent.
    What you should do is to filter what your kind kids see, by seeing it 1st. In the same way you don't send you kid alone to the cinema. And while you do that, try to make your kids to think about what they are, in order to grow a strong personality and be able to face the internet and the street and a younger age.

  13. Missing the Point by nealric · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think a lot of commentators are missing the point of the original article. The fact that kids might see somewhat inappropriate videos is just a symptom of the underlying problem.

    The problem is that the information we see and content we view is increasingly the result of the interactions of various algorithms. You see this in the way Google inadvertently promotes conspiracy theories. The content itself starts to become more and more automated as every video or article just ends up being a reconfiguration of popular keywords. I suppose the dystopic end-game if this were in an episode of Black Mirror would have everyone completely disassociated from reality as all information they consume is simply generated and and pushed out to them by various bots interacting.

  14. One site or app is poorly curated by istartedi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Big company decides that bots are "good enough". They aren't. That's all this is. As bad as it is to sit your kids in front of the old fashioned tube, as much as you might complain about the FCC, there was pretty much zero chance that we were going to see Oscar, Big Bird, and the Count going at it in a 3-way. That's because real human adults were in charge, and were paid what they were worth. The Internet isn't broken. A bunch of greedy pigs just paid some cheap coders far less to create something much less safe, then a bunch of lazy parents sat their kids down in front of it. The results were predictable.

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