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Nearly All of Wikipedia Is Written By Just 1 Percent of Its Editors (vice.com)

From a report on Motherboard: According to the results of a recent study that looked at the 250 million edits made on Wikipedia during its first ten years, only about 1 percent of Wikipedia's editors have generated 77 percent of the site's content. "Wikipedia is both an organization and a social movement," Sorin Matei, the director of the Purdue University Data Storytelling Network and lead author of the study, told me on the phone. "The assumption is that it's a creation of the crowd, but this couldn't be further from the truth. Wikipedia wouldn't have been possible without a dedicated leadership." At the time of writing, there are roughly 132,000 registered editors who have been active on Wikipedia in the last month (there are also an unknown number of unregistered Wikipedians who contribute to the site). So statistically speaking, only about 1,300 people are creating over three-quarters of the 600 new articles posted to Wikipedia every day.

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  1. So... when does it get moved to fiction? by TimothyHollins · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So what you're saying is that the main premise of Wikipedia is false.

    It is not a crowd-sourced documentation of knowledge. It is the exact same encyclopaedia, written by a few experts, that Wikipedia was supposed to supplant.
    Oh, except that instead of having verified and accountable experts like we had in the old format, we now have unverifiable non-experts that aren't accountable, and may put whatever biased crap they want in there.
    If it's all the same to you, I'll stick with the merit-based format.

    Somehow, I don't think this what founder Jimmy Wales envisioned.

    1. Re:So... when does it get moved to fiction? by Tom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, the main premise of WP is false. More importantly, many of its articles are incomplete or factually false, especially whenever they enter territory where it needs a subject matter expert to write a correct description. But according to official WP policy, a factually false entry with easy-to-understand third-party sources (which can all point back to the same one long since falsified study) will take precedence over a properly sourced references that are more difficult to understand or judge.

      There were a couple other WP-like projects a decade ago, which had a concept of "experts" where you would send in your credentials and only then get proper editing privileges on specific topics or areas. Their quality was considerably higher, but their quantity was so much lower that they lost out and disappeared.

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  2. I'm not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is a Wikipedia clique that won't accept any additions or changes by anyone who isn't in on it. I have tried to contribute to Wikipedia in the past and have had every single edit reverted. It wasn't because I was breaking rules or adding unsourced data, it was because it conflicted with what the self-appointed arbiters of the articles in question believed or wanted readers to believe.

    Because of this, I have given up on Wikipedia completely. I have seen incorrect information and outright vandalism, but I won't lift a finger to help because it will probably get reverted without even being checked.

    1. Re:I'm not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Different AC, similar experience. Any time I tried to make corrections (with well regarded sources to back them up) or additions, everything I did was instantly reverted.

      It is NOT a crowd-sourced encyclopedia, it belongs to the people whose lives let them camp on it and treat it as "theirs".

    2. Re:I'm not surprised by Quinn_Inuit · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just what I was coming here to say. I'd contribute more if that 1% of editors would let me. After having one too many articles (about historical events, I might add) I'd put real time into researching get deleted for not being notable, I gave up.

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    3. Re:I'm not surprised by aevan · · Score: 4, Informative

      And it still won't matter. They'll argue your sources are bad (even if those sources are considered acceptable in other articles), that you're not using proper secondary sources (the author of a novel is not a valid source of what the novel is about, it must be some 'appropriate magazine' or such), that you're being contentious and not listening, that it's 'original research', then have a wiki court toss your stuff out if you persist in taking it up. Controversial just means 'against what the policing group wants', doesn't actually require being something most people would have considered debatable or political.

    4. Re:I'm not surprised by apoc.famine · · Score: 4, Interesting

      While I was in grad school I naturally looked at a couple of the pages that touched on the research I was doing. All were 20-30 years out of date, poorly written, and in many areas incorrect even based on the old research. So I spent a couple of days, re-wrote one of them, added citations to current research, and then posted the re-write. And less than an hour later it was entirely reverted.

      I messaged the editor, and was met with silence. I tried to escalate the issue and got nowhere.

      So yeah, no wonder that 1% of editors "write" everything. If you look at all of the solid content that was reverted by those asshats, I wonder how many actual authors there would be.

      And like the rest of you, I gave up. I go to google now and find other sources, because I can't trust that anything on wikipedia is of accurate and of decent quality, no matter how it looks.

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  3. Oh really? by DRJlaw · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Wikipedia wouldn't have been possible without a dedicated leadership" who have created bots, notifiers, and other mechanisms to zealously "curate" Wikipedia content by reverting any editing contributed by the other 99% of Wikipedia users.

    "The assumption is that it's a creation of the crowd, but this couldn't be further from the truth" because Wikipedia tolerates these practices and cannot be bothered so long as donations far in excess of its operating needs continue to roll in in response to never ending "we need money" campaigns.

  4. Re:132,000 suckers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So how many Morons did it take to create GNU/Linux?

    How many Morons volunteer for lifesaving charities?

    The only Moron i see here is you.

  5. Comparison by religionofpeas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How does that compare to other encyclopedias ?

  6. Did everyone fail math in school? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd be shocked if was even as many as 1%. First, they admit openly that there are a huge number of unregistered editors... I know that I've made plenty of edits and new pages there without ever thinking to register. Who wants to deal with yet another set of login info?

    Second, the numbers are not showing that there is a group of editors, and 1% of that group is making nearly all of Wikipedia. In the article they even admit that who is in this "1%" is changing over time (whoever came up with this whole 99/1 percent recurring theme is an annoying idiot).

    For those that are unaware, this is what's called a "push piece", where the point of view (the importance of a dedicated leadership) is determined in advance and then numbers are chosen to make it seem like it's the only valid one.

    1. Re:Did everyone fail math in school? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I do the same thing, although I'm registered. Most of the time, I make tiny edits to correct issues in technical articles. At one time, for example, there was a code example with a typo. It's awesome to be able to go in and fix little issues like this. So, I'm part of the vast 99% that makes very few edits.

      Sorry if it makes me a bad person, but I have no interest in spending serious amounts of my time editing Wikipedia articles. Honestly, though, I'm glad there are such people. I don't understand the general contempt of Wikipedia around here. It's got its flaws, but it's an amazing concept, and generally produces really good results, as far as I've seen. And it's been worth enough to me to donate a few bucks each year. I consider it to be a wonder of the information age.

      So, people complain about the turf wars by a few editors with power over their tiny pond? So what? Let me introduce you to the species we call "humans", where such things happen all the time, in every social environment you can imagine, from politics to mega-corporations to open-source development teams to your local homeowner's association board.

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    2. Re:Did everyone fail math in school? by dpidcoe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I do the same thing, although I'm registered. Most of the time, I make tiny edits to correct issues in technical articles. At one time, for example, there was a code example with a typo. It's awesome to be able to go in and fix little issues like this. So, I'm part of the vast 99% that makes very few edits.

      I did that once after encountering an article that was in really bad shape. Among other things, it had pretty much every spelling variant possible of words that have multiple valid spellings (e.g. aluminum-aluminium, adaptor-adapter, etc.). I spent an hour or so cleaning up some atrocious sentence structures, and then looked up what spelling wikipedia used for a word in its corresponding page (e.g. "aluminum" redirects to "aluminium") and then standardized all of the variants based on that. I even left a fairly good log of all the changes I had made. The next day the changes had been reverted by the guy who had made a bunch of edits to it previously claiming that my edits were vandalism.

  7. Solution: time delays by DatbeDank · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's an open secret the site is run by little dictators.

    The solution to all of this is rather simple, time delays.

    You make an edit or any type of change and you are forbidden from make any more changes for a pre-determined amount of time.

    1. Re:Solution: time delays by Baron_Yam · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >It's an open secret the site is run by little dictators.

      If you've ever been part of a volunteer-based club, you've seen this is human nature. Everyone gets together for a common cause, some people are better at some tasks than others and they gain respect... which then becomes central to their identity and they fight to protect their fiefdom.

      It ultimately (usually) finds an equilibrium between significance and the required effort of any particular issue - the bigger the problem, the more likely the average member is willing to fight to fix it. Sometimes you get one or more assholes with more time and with an insane dedication level and everything falls apart.

      Wikipedia is still the former in most cases - few people are fighting over the dry stuff, it's pretty detailed and accurate. Nobody's willing to start an edit war (or at least sustain one) over it. Something tells me that changes drastically once you get to a subject that has 'fans'.

    2. Re:Solution: time delays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's an open secret the site is run by little dictators.

      The solution to all of this is rather simple, time delays.

      No, the solution is to have Wikipedia content managed by Wikipedia employees who are held accountable, just like the employees of any company.

      Wikipedia currently has approximately 300 employees, NONE of whom are involved in creating or editing content. That is done entirely by unpaid volunteers.

      Wikipedia currently has annual revenue of approximately $80 Million. About $3 Million is spent on the actual expense of webhosting and maintaining servers. NONE of the remaining $77 Million is spent on creating/maintaining content on Wikipedia.

      But they did spend £1,335 on business cards one year for the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation. And €18,000 in Germany to send people to pop concerts as "accredited photographers". And €81,000 to people paid to photograph politicians. And €81,720 paid to a researcher to study... editing. And lots of fancy, expensive office space in major cities around the world.

      And so on . . . . .

    3. Re:Solution: time delays by omglolbah · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I tried for a while to update various details around oil rigs and sites on the articles and every single one got immediately reverted with "Reverted vandalism" as the automatic reason.
      Things like changing dates of installation for a living quarters module by 3 months. Article had original planned date but the project got delayed... with automatic bots reverting changes like that how would I trust that other details can get fixed?

    4. Re:Solution: time delays by jittles · · Score: 3

      >with automatic bots reverting changes like that how would I trust that other details can get fixed?

      You need to apply one more level of effort before giving up - report the bots' bad behaviour and see if you can get the account they're using blocked by Wikipedia.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      I wouldn't necessarily expect success... but if you care enough to contribute in the first place, you should try before you throw up your arms and walk away.

      You sound like part of the problem and not the solution. If someone makes an edit, with source material, and has it automatically reverted why should they make the effort of reporting those bots? Such effort is useless. They'll create a new sock puppet and the bot will go right back to work again reverting everything anyone actually tries to contribute. There has to be a cultural change at the foundation for anything meaningful to happen. I suspect that the only way that will happen is if people stop contributing to the website. You should be encouraging people to take useful action if you actually want change.

  8. 1% by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's probably because:

    1% signed up with an honest intent to be an editor and with knowledge to back it up.
    4% signed up as a lark and to see what it was all about.
    5% signed up with good intentions but don't have any knowledge to create pages with.

    The other 90% are trolls that signed up to graffiti pages of politicians they don't like, or to edit Taylor Swift's page to talk about how she really has a penis.

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    1. Re:1% by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's probably because:

      1% signed up with an honest intent to be an editor and with knowledge to back it up. 4% signed up as a lark and to see what it was all about. 5% signed up with good intentions but don't have any knowledge to create pages with.

      The other 90% are trolls that signed up to graffiti pages of politicians they don't like, or to edit Taylor Swift's page to talk about how she really has a penis.

      You forgot those who signed up with good intentions and the knowledge but gave up in frustration because all of their edits are reverted by trolls or people with an agenda.

  9. Current events is the main generator of noise by funky_vibes · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem is that Wikipedia allows current events and therefore the political arguments that inevitably occur.
    In such a situation, the strongest group always wins an edit war, not the best arguments.
    It's unprofessional to claim such information has any place in an encyclopedia.
    They should, as a rule, point information under dispute to other sites.
    That in itself should be reason enough for the disputing parties to eventually come to an agreement.

  10. Re:132,000 suckers by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 5, Funny

    What more amazing about that is that these 1% people do have a broad range of knowledge!

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  11. Wikipedia is driving away editors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to wikipedia stats, I had over 4500 edits on more than 500 pages in a little over 5 years. Rather large edits, with an average of >300 bytes per edit. I completely gave up editing when the main subject I was interested in (History of Romania and the Republic of Moldova) was hijacked by what I believe are institutional accounts with multiple editors, which enforced the presentation of only the official government view (and trust me, I do understand WP:POV). At the time I was pretty bitter about it, but then I came to believe that this outcome was predictable. However, the overall result was that I no longer edit.

  12. Yet another misleading headline by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course, these "1 percenters" have changed over the last decade and a half. According to Matei, roughly 40 percent of the top 1 percent of editors bow out about every five weeks.

    So there's a tremendous turnover in this 1%. This is *exactly* what one would expect - someone comes in, writes an article on something they know about, make it nice, and then drop out.

    They also don't seem to say what "70% of content" means since they are talking about edits. Are people writing 70% of the actual words by count, or are they making 70% of the edits? I actually have an account, but I rarely log in to make edits. The edits that I make nowadays are usually fixing a typo or grammatical error and not worth logging in. If I'm actually adding content I'll log in.

  13. Re: Speaking of tools... by XXongo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Think about it... When the 1% deletes anything written by anyone else, then everything will be written by the 1%.

    Yep. That's the problem. There are a small number of editors who believe that they personally own the articles they wrote, and will revert any changes made by anybody else. And, since they do this deletion a lot, they are very good with the Wikipedia bureaucracy and know exactly how far they can go without getting counted as "edit warring"-- and how to entice novice editors into breaking one of Wikipedia's invisible rules and getting banned.

    The article says : "As detailed in a 2013 feature in the MIT Technology Review, the decline of active editors with more than 10 edits under their belt has been attributed to the increasingly bureaucratic nature of the editing process. The semi-automation and stricter editing process was initially launched as a way to combat vandalism on Wikipedia pages. Although the new protocols did result in a decrease in vandalism, it also resulted in a steep drop off of new editors that stayed 2 months after their first edit."

    No. It's not the semi-automation, it's the bureaucracy being used by the "deletionists" who don't want you-- if you fail to follow obscure rules when responding to the asshole who deletes the stuff you just wrote, you will be banned.

  14. I was blocked for reporting a banned user by whoever57 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I saw that someone who was already banned by the Wikipedia community was editing articles again, so I reported it in the proper forum.

    A Wikipedia administrator blocked me. That's right: I followed all the rules, reported someone else breaking the rules, yet I was blocked.

    There are clearly rogue administrators out there, using their power in ways that should not be sanctioned.

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  15. Re:Social Movement by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Wikipedia is both an organization and a social movement,"

    That, is why it fails.

    Remember boys and girls,. citing Wikipedia is still a reason for an automatic fail for most university professors

    That's irrelevant. First up, because everything in Wikipedia is sourced, you don't need to cite Wikipedia -- you can pick up the source and look it up in the library. Secondly, Wikipedia isn't disregarded as a citation source because it's normally inaccurate, but for two reasons: 1) it changes frequently, so it's too much work to verify it as a source and 2) the student could theoretically change it to say whatever they want to put in their essay.

    Banning citing Wikipedia actually makes Wikipedia more reliable in the long term.

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  16. Re:132,000 suckers by Tom · · Score: 3, Informative

    They actually don't, which is why you find extensive articles on geography, cities and stars, movies and a hundred other topics that are easy to understand and easily found in a Google search. But when you get into difficult subjects, a large number of articles are basically extended stubs that look like someone edited together a summary of the first 10 hits of a Google search. No in-depth information, less than five links to other sources, half of which are newspapers or magazines who published one article about this subject ten years ago.

    Whenever I am researching something that's tricky or technical, I don't even bother with the WP article. The exception is if I need to write a very simple high-level summary for lay people (executives and managers). In that area there's a 50% chance that the WP article will be useful.

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  17. Re: Speaking of tools... by sandbagger · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ditto.

    I with a few others were contributing to an article when suddenly some undergraduate deleted all of the content and replaced it with his crappy, meandering school essay. We got into an edit war with him and his friends who now suddenly appeared from no-where to side with him and support this editorial lunacy.

    Because the adults had jobs and he and his buddies had all day to dick around on Wikipedia, guess who won?

    After that I gave up on Wiki.

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