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The Bitcoin Bubble (economist.com)

A reader shares an Economist article: More people will trade in Bitcoin and that means more demand, and thus the price should go up. But what is the appeal of Bitcoin? There are really three strands; the limited nature of supply; fears about the long-term value of fiat currencies in an era of quantitative easing; and the appeal of anonymity. The last factor makes Bitcoin appealing to criminals creating this ingenious valuation method for the currency of around $570. These three factors explain why there is some demand for Bitcoin but not the recent surge. The supply details have if anything deteriorated (rival cryptocurrencies are emerging); the criminal community hasn't suddenly risen in size; and there is no sign of general inflation. A possible explanation is the belief that blockchain, the technology that underlines Bitcoin, will be used across the finance industry. But you can create blockchains without having anything to do with Bitcoin; the success of the two aren't inextricably linked. A much more plausible reason for the demand for Bitcoin is that the price is going up rapidly. People are not buying Bitcoin because they intend to use it in their daily lives (Editor's note: the link could be paywalled; alternative source). People are buying Bitcoin because they expect other people to buy it from them at a higher price; the definition of the greater fool theory.

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  1. Did you really just link to goo.gl? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Really? Dick move.

    Unshorten.it reveals that the actual link is: https://getpocket.com/redirect?

    Haha! a spam link to a product completely unrelated to the supposed story.

    Nice "work" there msmash...

    1. Re:Did you really just link to goo.gl? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      *correction: full link: https://getpocket.com/redirect?&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.economist.com%2Fblogs%2Fbuttonwood%2F2017%2F11%2Fgreater-fool-theory-0&h=f46558eae82843f2d97ae0f83b27d5c96431d25a77a4cce46b92217422addada&nt=b7fecU93gH942ym

      So it appears the story is actually on the Economist. So someone posted a link to goo.gl which redirects to getpocket.com which finally redirects to economist.com.

      Wasn't Chrome going to put a stop to this asshattery?

    2. Re:Did you really just link to goo.gl? by vux984 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Pretty much. Nobody is buying bitcoin right now to make purchases, you simply don't buy something that's experiencing value increaases like this to use to buy a hamburger tomorrow.

      Tons of people are buying into it precisely because its shooting up... which makes it shoot up higher. That not only speculation... its bubble behavior.

    3. Re:Did you really just link to goo.gl? by wagnerer · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nope, not fixed at all
      2/1980 - $2,077.93/oz
      2/2001 - $367.67/oz
      2/2011 - $1573.27/oz
      2/2016 - $1,168.00/oz

      Tell the guy that bought in 1980 that the price always goes up.

      These are inflation adjusted dollars.

  2. In January, 2016, BizX acquired Slashdot Media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    BizX is an American financial technology company that operates a digital private currency (the BizX dollar) that facilitates business-to-business exchange of goods and services.

    Originally designed as a barter exchange, BizX has been upgraded to the digital private currency model, one that facilitates indirect trade by allowing members to earn BizX dollars from one member and spend them with another

  3. Incomplete analysis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The authors analysis is incomplete.
    Amongst the things that add value to bitcoin are :

    - Increased trust via ledger transparency compared to obscurity of the current banking systems (and by the way, anonymity isn't really a thing in bitcoin as they have been proven to be traceable)
    - Independance from major financial institutions ( that doesnt mean a complete lack of regulation, but it does imply less stakeholders)
    - Detached from fiat currencies (even if traded for fiat, bitcoin still lives within its own ecosystem. See usage in Venezuela or Zimbabwe for proof )
    - Cheaper transactions (on large amounts in the short term, and on smaller transactions once Lightning is up and running)
    - Simplicity of use in a digital era
    - Network size and distribution
    - Network upkeep incentive by mining mechanism

    That being said, if the author believes his bitcoins are only worth $570, I will gladly take them off his hands ... even at twice or trice that emaluation.

  4. If you really believe that ... just short it! by davidhorat · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you really believe that, just short it instead of writing a slashdot article :)

    1. Re:If you really believe that ... just short it! by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 5, Informative

      A short strategy might not work anyway... As a wise man once said, "The market can stay irrational much longer than a man can stay solvent."

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      That is all.
  5. This isn't even a story by shaitand · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are more than three reasons. The question begging here assumes the only legitimate usage of bitcoin is among criminals. This is patently false. There are nations with less than ideal currencies where bitcoin is commonly being used as exchange currency. Even a poor nation can support more currency than the total bitcoin economy and bitcoin is global. Bitcoin has a property that no other currency is proven to have (including alt cryptocurrencies) transactions are not reversible and bitcoin cannot be counterfeited.

    "People are buying Bitcoin because they expect other people to buy it from them at a higher price; the definition of the greater fool theory."

    False. Bitcoin circulates, it has underlying value, and it is deflationary. Every day bitcoin goes out of circulation as people lose access to wallets. I myself have lost access to at least 25 bitcoin over the years and nobody else has access either... that would be $187,500 at the $7500 per 1.0 btc I saw the other day. Bitcoin has had a number of bubbles and when those bubbles pop people panic and sell at a loss. When those buy in to the next bubble they buy at higher prices. This create a floor where people are generally invested at a higher price and their willingness to sell stops at a higher price. Also because bitcoin has been following that bubble, pop, bigger bubble cycle consistently since it's inception with first notable bubble being dollar parity the confidence in bitcoin is increasing over time, this too will slow the selloffs and when combined with the fact that genuinely new investors eventually slow to a trickle will mean smaller and smaller bubbles.

    There is no absolute reason for any particular price on bitcoin to be a ceiling so long as the market is fluid. In fact the 1.0 BTC mark needs to grow quite a bit more for price stability so that there aren't investors who can notably move the market. I believe I calculated something like $10,000 per 1.0 BTC back when SR1 was operating. If there is too great a disparity between where most people bought and the current price those people will cash out when the growth appears to slow.

    The recent bubble is largely because financial institution scale investors have begun investing. I don't know how safe it is to assume that can't continue to feed for quite awhile. Bitcoin is not open to the puny little wallstreet stock market type investor, it is open to global investment on a Forex level scale. It is not unreasonable at this point to think Bitcoin is only proven cryptocurrency or blockchain implementation at this point and will not go away in the forseeable future. That leaves room for a multi-trillion dollar market, not a few billion.

  6. An elemnt of it maybe by GeekWithAKnife · · Score: 3, Informative


    Firstly Bitcoin is NOT anonymous and all payments CAN be tracked. The tools to do so are not terribly accessible and when they are then they are not sophisticated enough.

    The WizTec team have found the Mt Gox stolen funds and that has lead to Alexander Vinnik's arrest. So No, it is not anonymous.

    Gold and BTC has some commonalities. There is no particular reason to buy gold beyond a store of value. That in itself is a utility.

    Yes, gold is used in other application but those are not the main reason for its price. There is a limited availability, supply rate and a finite amount of resources. That is very similar to BTC. BTC has an advantage because it's so much easier to transfer. Try moving 100kg of gold between borders as a method of payment...

    As BTC demand grows because of its utility to store and transfervalue easily without a centralised authority to control flow so will its usefulness grow. More tools and methods to handle BTC will reach every day people.

    BTC IS A BUBBLE. There is no doubt it is a bubble. Stocks are a bubble, bonds, the housing market and in deed the economy is a bubble too. Should we simply not invest in anything because its a bubble?

    The greater fool is a classic example of the Tulip bubble mania and the psychology behind it. This does not fully apply to BTC because BTC has a utility that utility gives intrinsic value. There may be much better ways to do the same exact thing that BTC does today, indeed from a technological perspective there are except they are not as well know and are not as widely endorsed.

    History is riddled with superior failed products. So BTC has the advantage, has an amazing Dev team. They are in the lead in multiple fronts and recent shakedowns with BCH and SegwitX2 etc are passed.

    We know BTC is resilient, we know large financial bodies cannot crash it and we know its growing in adoption.

    I recommend that each person evaluate and do their own research as to the utility of Bitcoin. You may find that buying $1000 worth of it today can make for a very nice retirement bonus.

    It is unclear which currency or token will come to dominate but we all know the blockchain and by extension distributed ledgers will replace fiat money.

    One parting comparison to tulips. In the tulip mania you had to buy 1 whole tulip at outrageous price without any utility. You do not have to buy a whole Bitcoin. You can buy fractions. If buying a fraction of something to sell at a greater cost, like stocks, houses etc, is only for fools then investors anywhere are fools.

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