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Equifax Tells Investors They Could Be Breached Again - And That They're Still Profitable (nypost.com)

"Equifax executives will forgo their 2017 bonuses," reports CNBC. But according to the New York Post, the company "hasn't lost any significant business customers... Equifax largely does business with banks and other financial institutions -- not with the people they collect information on."

Even though it's facing more than 240 class-action lawsuits, Equifax's revenue actually increased 3.8% from July to September, to a whopping $834.8 million, while their net income for that period was $96.3 million -- which is still more than the $87.5 million that the breach cost them, according to a new article shared by chicksdaddy: The disclosure, made as part of the company's quarterly filing with the US Securities and Exchange Commission, is the first public disclosure of the direct costs of the incident, which saw the company's stock price plunge by more than 30% and wiped out billions of dollars in value to shareholders. Around $55.5m of the $87.5m in breach-related costs stems from product costs â" mostly credit monitoring services that it is offering to affected individuals. Professional fees added up to another $17.1m for Equifax and consumer support costs totaled $14.9m, the company said. Equifax also said it has spent $27.3 million of pretax expenses stemming from the cost of investigating and remediating the hack to Equifax's internal network as well as legal and other professional expenses.

But the costs are likely to continue. Equifax is estimating costs of $56 million to $110 million in "contingent liability" in the form of free credit monitoring and identity theft protection to all U.S. consumers as a good will gesture. The costs provided by Equifax are an estimate of the expenses necessary to provide this service to those who have signed up or will sign up by the January 31, 2018 deadline. So far, however, the company has only incurred $4.7 million through the end of September. So, while the upper bound of those contingent liability costs is high, there's good reason to believe that they will never be reached.

The Post reports that some business customers "have delayed new contracts until Equifax proves that they've done enough to shore up their cybersecurity."

But in their regulatory filing Thursday, Equifax admitted that "We cannot assure that all potential causes of the incident have been identified and remediated and will not occur again."

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  1. Equifax should be shutdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The fact it still exists shows how corrupt things are.

    1. Re:Equifax should be shutdown by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This. How is it even possible that they are still operating? Anyone else doing a fraction of what happened there would be in prison forever and his assets gone to compensate the victims. How are they not only still doing business but actually having to think whether to pay their C-Levels a bonus? I.e. how are they even still able to pay a bonus?

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    2. Re: Equifax should be shutdown by dnaumov · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The fact that it still exists merely illustrates how badly nerds misunderstand what matters in business survival. As for why Equifax still has any customers, the reason is not corruption and is very simple - the average person is dumb as a brick.

    3. Re: Equifax should be shutdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As for why Equifax still has any customers

      That's because their customers weren't affected by the breach. In fact Equifax is shielding their customers from these kind of breaches by being the ones that deal with the data and acting as a scape goat.

    4. Re: Equifax should be shutdown by volodymyrbiryuk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also despite popular belief the people who's data is being collected by Equifax are not the customers but the commodities.

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    5. Re:Equifax should be shutdown by gtall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Easy. There are no laws to prevent companies like EquiFax from sucking up your information and selling it to the highest bidder or having it pilfered by the lowest scum.

      The Republicans are big believers in "business", they won't rein in companies like this. The Libretards believe information wants to be free. The Democrats will write new legislation each year for the next 10 years and still not solve the problem.

      And the problem is: you want a loan or credit, who vouches for your background? There is a market there and it is going to be filled. The only issue is how secure is that information. Hanging the company officials won't stop the information getting pissed away. They'll simply get better lawyers.

  2. Those are cooked (non-GAAP) numbers by rtfa0987 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Equifax admitted that profit declined 28% from a year ago. However, after wiping away the $87.5 million in costs of the data breach for its adjusted earnings metric, Equifax was able to claim a 6% gain in profit and beat average analyst estimates. Equifax’s adjusted earnings are nothing new for it or thousands of other companies. MarketWatch has shown repeatedly how companies use adjusted earnings to make their results appear better than they actually are... the company stripped the charges from a non-GAAP earnings figure that it provided, which allows Equifax to claim that profits are growing even as it takes a hit from the data breach. https://www.marketwatch.com/st...

    1. Re:Those are cooked (non-GAAP) numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Plus of course, look at all the money they saved on IT security!

  3. class action lawsuit goals by D,Petkow · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well now that they have revealed those numbers, the class action lawsuit lawyers have a concrete goal for the settlement sums, lmao.

  4. It's true by bobstreo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They won't have to factor in the costs of lawyers until later.

    People should ignore the class action suits, and file millions of personal suits, assuming there are sufficient ambulance chasers available to work knowing they'll only be paid if they win.

    1. Re:It's true by guruevi · · Score: 2

      That's why class action suits were invented. Individual cases would net maybe $2000 for the victim, which would go 100% to a lawyer and the lawyer would actually lose out between running the paperwork and being in court. Additionally it would clog the justice system even more, resulting in more delays and even higher costs for everyone, including the victim (which pays for it through taxes)

      Class-actions, as shitty as they are, improve the system as a whole, the lawyer gets his pay-day and the victim sees some (although not much) money and the entire case is handled in a fraction of the time it would take to see every individual case in court.

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    2. Re:It's true by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 2

      Every US citizen multiplied by $2,000 would be a pretty good fucking lawsuit to bring them down. Meanwhile they'll just get off with a class action which will amount to a few cents per person automatically opted in even if they don't know it exists.

  5. There is no shame by Arzaboa · · Score: 2

    If these corporations were actually people, they would be feed to the dogs. They prey on people coming and going. They sell and trade information to manipulate people, while gaming the system in their favor. There are plenty of ways to do business without completely disregarding any semblance of privacy.

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    1. Re:There is no shame by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Informative

      If these corporations were actually people, they would be feed to the dogs.

      If they do have another event on a similar scale once the GDPR has come into effect in Europe next year, being fed to the dogs might be the least of their problems. The penalties for a major compliance failure can be up to 4% of annual global turnover. Going by the figures mentioned in TFS, it looks like that would wipe out Equifax's entire net income for between one and two quarters. That's just the financial penalty from the regulators in the EU, and doesn't take into account any additional criminal sanctions that member states might choose to impose.

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  6. When Your CISO Was a Music Major by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    You can play the feds like a violin.

  7. Re:Inacceptable Business Risk by guruevi · · Score: 2

    Does it matter? There was no evidence the data has been tampered with and that would be easily spotted by comparing another source of data, but even so, any data collected since is what's important for the Equifax customers.

    Equifax collects information on individuals and makes timelines for businesses, whether or not a portion of that information at some point in time was made public does not make one iota of difference to their customers.

    If they use Equifax data and it ends up being bad, they won't pay for it, loans made out are guaranteed by the tax payer, the tax payer gets an even worse credit score and thus pays increased feeds to the banks for the next two decades.

    There is no losing for these guys, that's why they got the IRS contract and will continue getting contracts, how the data is handled is not important to their customers.

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