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TechShop Announces Chapter 7 Bankruptcy; Closes All Locations

Posted by BeauHD on from the closed-for-business dept.

ewhac writes: To the shock and dismay of many, TechShop today announced the immediate closure of all of its U.S. locations and is entering Chapter 7 bankruptcy proceedings. Their homepage has been replaced with a PDF relating TechShop's history, and detailing the circumstances leading to shutting down the company. First launched ten years ago, TechShop was one of the first "shared maker spaces," a members-only machine and work shop where tinkerers, makers, inventors, and innovators were able to prototype their ideas, launch products, or even just fix their own stuff. Its closing will be a huge loss to the tech and maker communities.

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  1. To many classes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    It was a great idea but they made you take a class to touch just about every tool so for makers like me with a decade or more of experience it was never really an option. It would have taken me months and hundreds of dollars just to get certified on all the tools I already use and own.

    1. Re:To many classes by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      I'm not familiar with the operation, it sounds like a great concept. I wonder if they tried to much to have 'everything' and rather could have maybe narrowed down to the most used/popular equipment. Or maybe get into service contracts with businesses that had similar facility needs at times.

      I can see how it would be hard to keep going, either way.

    2. Re:To many classes by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It was a great idea but they made you take a class to touch just about every tool so for makers like me with a decade or more of experience it was never really an option. It would have taken me months and hundreds of dollars just to get certified on all the tools I already use and own.

      You say that but... my hackspace is one where any yahoo can have a go at almost anything (with very few exceptions). End result is that most things are broken most of the time and really nice expensive kit gets trashed.

      I know it kind of sucked to get recertified, but trust me it sucks harder when you set aside time t owork, get over there and find all the tools fucked up.

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    3. Re:To many classes by Khyber · · Score: 2

      Please. We have people that would come into the rock shop and say "Yea, I know how to use this" only to have the motor bound up and burning in five minutes.

      This is why warehouses won't hire you as a forklift driver until A. you've gone through the 'certification process' outside of the company and received a certificate and then B. passing their own in-house forklift test (which is the one actually mandated by OSHA and is the only one that matters, the 'certification shops' are just BS money makers.)

      Did the shop forbid you from bringing your own tools? If not, why didn't you just bring your own?

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    4. Re:To many classes by rickb928 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The hackerspace I go to does put you through certification classes for the obviously delicate stuff (laser cutter, welders, lathe, mill, 3d printers) but you can use almost anything else, and no one seems interested in your certification status for woodworking equipment.

      Of course, it's not as shiny at TechShop, and we never have enough room nor electrical service to do everything at once, but it's friendly, lots of people involved with decades of experience, and affordable - free if you've got no $, but you can contribute.

      I've been to the Chandler TechShop a few times for events, it's not close enough for a membership, and it was busy, but it seemed that classes were a revenue source. Unfortunate to see it go, but our space will be looking to pick up some of their tools cheap, if the trustees liquidate.

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    5. Re:To many classes by barc0001 · · Score: 2

      The problem is for every person like you, there's a hundred others that claim to have the experience and knowledge and then if taken at their word, they end up wrecking a multi-thousand dollar CNC machine because they're a lying sack of crap.

    6. Re:To many classes by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      It was a great idea but they made you take a class to touch just about every tool so for makers like me with a decade or more of experience it was never really an option. It would have taken me months and hundreds of dollars just to get certified on all the tools I already use and own.

      If you already have the tools, then why bother? Just use your own.

      Take classes on the ones you want to use, the ones you don't own.

      And then take classes on the stuff you do own, because perhaps there are differences between yours and theirs, and maybe there are new "best practices" you are not aware of. Leaning is not a bad thing, and keeping current on complex equipment isn't something to be ashamed of.

      Hell, you might've learned something new and a trick that makes life easier. Or something you learned was an old wives tale.

      Otherwise you end up sounding like those grumpy old people at work who refuse to learn and think they know everything. You know, the people we always stereotype when talking about ageism.

      And here's a trick - if you are the hotshot you are, then it will be obvious on the first lesson. Help other people out in the class - the instructor will appreciate it as it means they only have to deal with half the class, while you're helping the other half learn the equipment. Getting on the instructor's good side can lead to great benefits including, well, not having to take anymore classes (under the assumption you will however ask for help).

      There is nothing wrong with this. Lots of places ask for competency before letting you go on the equipment. Hell, think of a 50-year old career airline pilot who started in the military and few the fastest jet fighters. If he walks into an airport and wants to rent a plane, the company will request he get "checked out" (i.e., hit the books and pass a company-administered flight test) before he's let loose. Here he is, someone with decades of experience and tens of thousands of flight hours, entrusted with people's lives and hundreds of millions of dollars of equipment, having to go back to school even if all he wanted to do was rent a dinky Cessna 152 costing $20,000.

    7. Re:To many classes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think it's important to make sure people know how to use a tool before using it but there is a difference between that and you must take x class at y time for z money in order to use a given tool. Many hackerspaces have tool stewarts and you have to get their sign off to use something but unlike tech shop that doesn't always involve money. For example with techshop I asked if I could skip the welding class. They said no. I offered to show them welds I had done, video of me welding, i offered to weld in front of them or give them a ride on a golf cart sized vehicle I welded from 500' of pipe. Still nope. Take the 4 hour class on saturday for $300 or don't use the exact same model welder I have in my garage. That's just totally unreasonable. It was clear from the get go they were less about being a maker space and more about making money off classes and other fees.

    8. Re:To many classes by barc0001 · · Score: 3, Informative

      > no one seems interested in your certification status for woodworking equipment.

      Most woodworking equipment is robust enough that average misuse won't damage it, and gross misuse is usually harder on the meatbag attempting it than the machine. Example, in the contest of idiot vs lathe, always bet on the lathe. And have a phone handy for the 911 call.

    9. Re:To many classes by barc0001 · · Score: 2

      When he's referring to tools, he means the ones you go to the space to use because you don't have room/money/both to have one yourself, like a cnc or laser cutter or lathe, etc.

    10. Re:To many classes by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Because carting my own welder into the shop to do a few tack welds is stupid."

      I'd think you're the stupid one for not simply using a couple car batteries, set of jumper cables, and a couple of welding rods in a backpack and doing electro-negative welding since you're only tack-welding something. Then you get to teach the skill to others at the same time, and demonstrate that you probably don't need all those classes.

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    11. Re:To many classes by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      they made you take a class to touch just about every tool

      The classes were quick and hands-on, often just 20-30 minutes, with plenty of practical tips in addition to safety. I never felt they were a problem, and I learned something in every class, even when I had previously assumed I was an "expert"

    12. Re:To many classes by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      gross misuse is usually harder on the meatbag attempting it than the machine.

      That might have been the problem. Liability insurance may have killed them.

    13. Re:To many classes by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

      I was a member for a few years.

      I didn't mind the classes that much. I saw many kids use laser cutters and fuck them up. their parents just let them run wild there and that was a really bad idea. some kid just stared at one of the cutters while it caught fire (!) and he just STOOD THERE, gaping. I had to open the cover and blow out the flames. stupid idyut!

      so, yes, you HAVE to take 'safety' classes on $30k epilogue laser cutters and such.

      I'm just so bummed out that I now have no other place to go to do my laser cutting, and I counted on that place, too.

      zero notice to customers. thanks, guys. really appreciate it. even 1 week notice would have let us finish our projects.

      fuckers! ;(

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    14. Re:To many classes by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Sound like the bulk of the maker community is full of bullshit artists who don't actually know their ass from a hole in the ground.

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    15. Re:To many classes by barc0001 · · Score: 2

      Sadly that's what happens when a lot of "makers" think a youtube video is a substitute for training/experience/both.

    16. Re:To many classes by war4peace · · Score: 1

      The local hackerspace has trained personnel who would happily help you and guide you in using and producing stuff from those special machines such as CNC and lathe. They don't force you to take classes. If you need something laser-etched, you just holler and someone who is trained into using that thing would come and help you with getting it done.

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    17. Re:To many classes by dex22 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Former member here. They had the table saws that fired an aluminum block into the blade if you touched the blade - to protect you. That would require the charge cartridge and block, and the blade, being replaced. Over $120 a pop. Nice for safety, except it would fire off for things like damp wood.

      What killed them was the required classes to use anything. You'd join ($100) then the random selection of stuff you'd want to use would cost $300-400 all in to get certified for. If the certification classes were a nominal fee, I would a) still be a member and b) have used a lot more gear.

      They were also crap at supporting electronics.

    18. Re:To many classes by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the reply. I just got tired of seeing the same general message in so many posts above. Have a nice lathe.

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    19. Re:To many classes by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      I was an instructor for welding for a short time. This would be my analysis. Trying to be everything to everybody is just to big of a job. And at that point, where do you advertise? Who do you target?

      Even visiting later, I found myself confused by all the options available.

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    20. Re:To many classes by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      the most popular things, from what I could tell (I was a member for several years) were the laser cutters. they never had enough spares to keep everyone happy, and yet so much other equip went idle most of the time.

      I'd pay money to have access to JUST laser cutters, if they maintain them and they are industrial quality.

      the 'real' laser cutters are still beyond home/hobby ownership. most other things can be garage-shed like, but not the lc's.

      once I learned how to make decent diy boxes from lc plexiglass, labels etched and ink infilled, its life-changing for a diy geek like me. my 'box making' projects could pass for pro-made chassis and they cost lunch money to make. only expense was my time, really, and it was educational and fun.

      hope something opens in the bay area to pick up the void that TS left. we had 3 shops in the bay area, more than any other, and still those lc's were busy most of the time. just give me lc access, screw the rest of the big tools! ;)

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  2. So much for those who bought "lifetime" membership by cheese_boy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am *so* glad I didn't buy a membership a year ago when they were trying to raise funds for moving the San Jose shop.

  3. Re:So much for those who bought "lifetime" members by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I am *so* glad I didn't buy a membership a year ago when they were trying to raise funds for moving the San Jose shop.

    But maybe if you had, they wouldn't have run out of money. Did you think of that? DID YOU!?

  4. Re: leadership by cyber-vandal · · Score: 2

    Making stuff is hard. Having lots of meetings about brand identity and designing a new corporate logo are where the cool kids are.

  5. They should have franchised. by wezelboy · · Score: 1

    That was my suggestion early on. Bigger impact and less risk. Overseas techshops are staying open because they are, in essence, franchises.

  6. Re:So much for those who bought "lifetime" members by Trogre · · Score: 1

    I bet a lot of people will be saying that right about now.

    All without realising that, if you had done so, you could have saved them.

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  7. Re:So much for those who bought "lifetime" members by cheese_boy · · Score: 2

    But maybe if you had, they wouldn't have run out of money. Did you think of that? DID YOU!?

    I know you're joking.

    But I'll answer anyway.

    It was $7500 for "lifetime" membership.
    or $5k for 5-year pre-paid membership
    https://web.archive.org/web/20...

    Another article said something about them losing $30k/month in Pittsburgh.
    I don't think my $7.5k would have helped much.

  8. Re:So much for those who bought "lifetime" members by cheese_boy · · Score: 1

    I bet a lot of people will be saying that right about now.

    All without realising that, if you had done so, you could have saved them.

    At the time I looked at it and decided that $7500 buys me a lot of tools - and access to them in my garage is a lot more convenient.
    And I didn't have any projects planned for the next year that I'd be able to transport to there.

    I am sad to see them go.
    Just as I was sad when I heard that the Sawdust Shop had gone out of business.
    (Not I lost/wasted $7500 sad - but still sad)

  9. Re:leadership by mhkohne · · Score: 1

    Because when you make unique, interesting stuff with any significant volume, you'll be rapidly undercut by commodity bottom-of-the-barrel manufacturers. Their product will be just good enough to sell, and 1/4 the price of yours and you'll be left with a warehouse full of stuff you can't sell.

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  10. Re:The Great Recession by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It couldn't possibly be that it was a stupid, pointless, unworkable idea.

    It may have been financially unworkable, but it was neither stupid nor pointless. I was a member for years, and used it for plenty of prototyping projects. They had CNC machine tools, laser cutters, welding equipment, a full woodworking ship, 3D printers, and even sewing machines (for "welding with cloth").

    They always seemed pretty busy, so I am not sure why they failed. I am sorry to see them go. This could have a detrimental effect on the local economies, since a lot of members were working on startup ideas.

    The only drawback for me was the age limit. Much of the equipment had a minimum age of 18, so my kids couldn't come with me to work on their own projects.

  11. As a member of techshop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've been a member for 6 years. This was a special work place in a city with such high rents, it makes your mortgages look affordable. Granted classes are necessary, it's an investment in yourself, in addition to their responsibility. I could use equipment that's professional quality to produce prototypes, prior to a small production run, or gifts, or side projects. These machines are financially out of reach for me Metal CNC ($10k), laser cutter ($25k), Wood CNC ($18k), and waterjet ($80k). Upkeep on machines is a headache, to able to just show up and run this stuff...was a dream.

  12. Re:huge loss? by Stroman+Rebar · · Score: 2

    It depended on the location. Some of them were quite liquid. Some were not. I understand the Pittsburgh location was in the red to the tune of $40k per month prior to its closure. If you already have a lot of debt from expansion costs, that sort of negative cash flow is killer. The St. Louis shop where I was a member was 18 months old and just hitting the black. When you have a big corporate debt, all the locations producing a small profit isn't enough :(

  13. Re:So much for those who bought "lifetime" members by shess · · Score: 1

    I am *so* glad I didn't buy a membership a year ago when they were trying to raise funds for moving the San Jose shop.

    Imagine how happy you'd be if you'd got in on the $750 membership deal they were running for Halloween!

  14. Always puzzled me by rtfa0987 · · Score: 1

    1. First San Jose location downtown made no sense. It was in a location ripe for development, which of course happened. So they had to start over . Were locations in other cities as poorly selected? 2. With amateurs using tools, the liability insurance must have been huge. 3. Just having one person around from 9am to midnight would be expensive, much less instructors, etc.. 4. How do you control such an operation to prevent damage and theft?