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Report Claims That 18 Nation's Elections Were Impacted By Social Engineering Last Year (bbc.com)

sqorbit writes: Independent watchdog group Freedom House released a report that claims that 18 nation's elections were "hacked." Of the 65 countries that Freedom House monitors, 30 appear to be using social media in order to affect elections by attempting to control online discussions. The report covers fake news posts, paid online opinion writers and trolling tactics. Other items in the report speak to online censorship and VPN blocking that blocks information within countries to interfere with elections. The report says net freedom could be aided by: large-scale programs that showed people how to spot fake news; putting tight controls on political adverts; and making social media giants do more to remove bots and tune algorithms to be more objective.

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  1. OH MY GOSH BEAUHD! by Hetero · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can you BELIEVE IT! Someone used INFORMATION to INFLUENCE people's MINDS! WOW!!!

    1. Re: OH MY GOSH BEAUHD! by saloomy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It doesnâ(TM)t matter. We arenâ(TM)t allowed to question why someone votes a particular way, and free speech allows everyone to say whatever they want. It sucks that some use this to subvert some people's vote, but thats the price we pay for both free speech and open and free elections.

    2. Re: OH MY GOSH BEAUHD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "We arent allowed to question why someone votes a particular way" - Yes, we are. That doesn't touch the question of allowing known-and-provably-fraudulent news stories from propaganda sources.

      "It sucks that some use this to subvert some people's vote" = You are now apologizing for that directly. I reject that we have to allow fraudulent activity because "My interpretation of freedum sez"

    3. Re: OH MY GOSH BEAUHD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Jesus fucking Christ. This is all suddenly new? No, it's fucking not. Trump didn't get elected because Russia "hacked" an election you fucking idiot.
      And it wasn't 18 nations. It's every nation, all of them, every time, ever since the first nation was invented.

      You know how to stop it? You don't. It will never stop. The only way to counter it is a well educated, independently and critically thinking population.

    4. Re:OH MY GOSH BEAUHD! by MangoCats · · Score: 4, Informative

      Newsflash: social engineering has been used to influence elections ever since before the first election was held.

      Nature of the beast, people will buy, beg, lie, cheat, and do any other thing that they can get away with to win a contest - if it's a popularity contest, that's going to mean lots of social engineering. Now we communicate via internet, so you can't just buy ads on television and radio anymore.

    5. Re: OH MY GOSH BEAUHD! by Bert64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know how to stop it? You don't. It will never stop. The only way to counter it is a well educated, independently and critically thinking population.

      Well said and very true, however we'll never reach this state because an easily manipulated population is exactly what those in power want, they just want the exclusive ability to manipulate.

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    6. Re: OH MY GOSH BEAUHD! by guruevi · · Score: 2

      Iâ(TM)d rather have a bunch of false information than the government controlling it. You call for oversight, most intelligent people see that as a direct path to censorship.

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    7. Re: OH MY GOSH BEAUHD! by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      An act of war, gosh that's lovely. Hillary really got to you people, didn't she? She was all ready for a big shooting war with Russia until she neglected to get votes in critical states. Oops, turns out you have to actually win the election first. So instead we got widespread hysteria and Red Scare Part II and everyone is looking under their beds for TEH ROOSHINS.

      So all it took was 3,000 Facebook ads to swing the elections, who would have thought the Russians was this great at propaganda. $100,000 to defeat Hillary Clinton's $1,200,000,000. The whole narrative has become so ridiculously twisted. Replace 'Russia' with 'Britain', and the story would be about how an allied whistleblower uncovered the shocking story of the Democratic primary being rigged. Where's the outrage about that?

      That Russia has wanted, and has tried to encourage, the breakup of the U.S. for decades is not news (Igor Panarin has very publicly made a career out of it). And buying ads to exacerbate the existing divisions hardly seems like an act of war or anything.

      Russia's big "crime" was that they exposed wrongdoing of certain people within the DNC. As in, Russia exposed people circumventing the democratic process. Think about it: for all the brouhaha, by exposing that sort of thing they were actually *helping* strengthen democracy in the US. LOL! Down is up! Up is down!

      Now I don't for a moment believe their motivations were pure or pro-US in any way, but it's so absurd to talk about all their evil meddling when the main thing they did was reveal the foul play that was already going on. Sheesh. Especially when we did it first: turnabout is fair play. Here's TIME magazine in 1996 bragging about how we interfered in the Russian election.

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  2. Only 18? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Only 18? I thought that ALL elections were subject to "Social Engineering".

    That's part of the point.

    Elections aren't about being fair. They're about preventing civil war.

    They do this by predicting how a civil war to reverse their decision would come out - believably enough to convince the losers of the election that they'd also lose the war to reverse their results.

    Propaganda and other "fake news", to recruit and radicalize cannon-fodder for the civil ware are integral to the process. The election process SHOULD include them - or it becomes less believable and thus less stabilizing.

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    1. Re:Only 18? by cdsparrow · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I am amazed when these articles pop up sounding surprised that propaganda using current generation media avenues was used. Everyone treats new stuff like it's different than old stuff. 40 years ago they made pamphlets and distributed them. Good ol technology has made it easier to talk to everyone around the world in teal time, so now they use that - I'm aghast!

      Maybe if we still taught critical thinking to our kids then they could decide what they want to think about things. But a spoonfed public is obviously the way our overlords want it, and people by and large seem to be ok with that... :(

    2. Re:Only 18? by Darkling-MHCN · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What a depressing take on it all.

      This is the kind of thinking somehow distorts, fraud, dishonesty, immorality and turns it into virtues defined by a single word "winner".

      It honestly turns my stomach.

      We've got about 50-100 years to come up with something better than law of the jungle, if we can't evolve socially we're just going to wipe ourselves out along with most of the other species on this planet.

      So no I disagree, this sort of perversion, fraud, corruption, immorality, dishonesty shouldn't be a part of the election process and when it is, it should be called out and the candidate thrown out on his/her ass or better still put in jail.

    3. Re:Only 18? by Q-Hack! · · Score: 2

      I'm going to have to agree with Gary Johnson on this... While foreign governments involvement in the social engineering of elections is interesting, I am far more concerned with the government's abuse of 4th amendment rights. Illegal snooping on citizens is far more dangerous than some agency posting stories that feed people false information trying to keep them in their little bubbles.

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    4. Re:Only 18? by Darkling-MHCN · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just because they did it 40 years ago doesn't mean it's OK to do it now.

      Four million years ago we ran around clubbing each other over the head, didn't farm and ate raw meat. Four hundred years ago an unmarried women with a cat could be justifiably burnt to death for being witch. Forty years ago it wasn't unheard of for people to be lynched because of the colour of their skin.

      Do you see now just how stupid your argument is? Just because they did it in the past doesn't make it OK for them to do it now, only on a much bigger scale.

    5. Re:Only 18? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It isn't being done on a bigger scale. 40 years ago people weren't surprised by a lynching. They shouldn't be surprised now because propaganda has always been going on. It's called politics and has basically existed since people first grouped together. If you're surprised about that then you need to pop the bubble you're living in. WWII propaganda was in the education system, entertainment, news, advertising, products, and peer groups. Today propaganda is in the education system, entertainment, news, advertising, products, and peer groups. Technology has changed, but none of the fundamentals have thus you shouldn't be surprised that people are still after power for themselves.

      Until all the peaceful, super caring, and all loving people band together and kill everyone else there will always be humans out to take advantage of other humans.

    6. Re:Only 18? by umghhh · · Score: 2

      You can also see a club back then as a fair way of fighting as another club was usually at hand. If social media warriors decide you to be an evil man (usually but there are plenty of female victims too) you cannot do much. You may in fact lose a job, friends and see your family get away from you. But hey we are all better off as a society right? The clubbing back then gave you at least some chance to get at one of your attackers how do you do it with internet mob of vigilantes?

    7. Re:Only 18? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Whataboutism. Just because your own government is abusive doesn't mean you should be any less concerned about external influence.

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  3. social engineering by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So......there were only elections in 18 countries last year? Is that it?

    Seriously, the only reason Trump is president is because he was better at social engineering than Clinton. And I have to hand it to Obama, he pushed that "Hope and Change" meme better than anyone before him ever has. It's all been done before, though.

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  4. Wait... by x0ra · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Aren't elections, in general, nothing more but a huge social engineering scheme at scale ?

    Look at Canada's Trudeau winning the election on a 10 billions deficit and featuring a 30 billions one in his first budget ? Or is it just "social engineering" when the "wrong side" wins ?

  5. This won't last long by Darkling-MHCN · · Score: 2

    Social media providers will be taking this very seriously as it undermines their systems credibility as genuine platforms for social interaction. If they don't take credible actions to reduce the flow of spam on their systems, people will eventually catch on that their whole system is a waste of time and move on.

    I think it's very obvious players like Facebook etc can do a lot more than they currently are to prevent spam. I'd say it hasn't been a high priority for them and they have actually profited from providing the spammers a platform. However, after Trump's election and the inquiries into foreign state influence on the election, the spotlight has been firmly placed on Facebook and others and the priority on developing counter measures against this sort of abuse of their systems would be going way up.

  6. fake news posts, paid online opinion writers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    And that's just the Washington Post!

  7. And worse! by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not only that, they used social engineering to cause the /. editors to forget how to write a plural possessive.

    Nations', not nation's.

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  8. They're only calling it social engineering... by NIK282000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...because the politicians aren't behind it. The rest of the time its just called a campaign.

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    1. Re:They're only calling it social engineering... by Darkling-MHCN · · Score: 3, Informative

      No it's not called campaigning, if it were Robert Mueller and his team wouldn't be investigating Trump for links to this activity.

      Fraud, subversion and collusion with foreign governments may have been part of many elections in the past but not on this scale and in the past when candidates conducting these sorts of activities have been exposed it's meant the end of their campaign.

  9. Re:That's easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    He so crazy! Luckily here in America we keep him honest with our totally impartial and honest Free Press, who, despite 95% of them donating to the Democrat Party, are totally objective and unbiased.

  10. Re:Grow up, liberals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So why are incumbent Republicans losing elections now to trans women and lesbians?

    Here's a free clue: People are sick of politics as usual and have been for a long time, and so are willing to vote for anything that looks like an outsider who looks like they might have a chance. Which side of politics they come from is irrelevant. That's why they voted for Obama over Hillary, that's why they would have voted for Sanders if he'd been up against an establishment Republican, and that's why they voted for Trump who ran against an establishment Democrat.

    Of course now, people are realising that Trump is a shyster who played the greatest confidence trick in American political history. This plan sometimes backfires.

  11. Re:Grow up, liberals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're a perfect example of a conservative: Primitive. Tribal. Individualistic.

    You want liberals to grow up ? Who acted like fucking 15 year-olds during the last election ? Electing a clown as their fucking president, endangering your country, the whole world, the future of your children and grandchildren, all that just to piss off liberals, like fucking teenagers committing armed robery just to piss off their parents. You're the ones who need to grow the fuck up.

    Or rather, you need to EVOLVE. The rest of the civilized world is trying to evolve beyond simple animalistic darwinism, while you conservatives cling desperately to your old individualistic, primitive, savage ways. Life on earth has evolved beyond single-celled to multicellular organisms. Now humanity is also evolving from individualistic to communal society. And there's nothing you can do about. The dinosaurs' time is over. YOUR time is over.

  12. Re:Politics itself is social engineering by boudie2 · · Score: 2

    Yeah, since when do nerds care about social media, crazy politics and fake news? Even the occasional story actually on computers would be appreciated.

  13. US elections 101 by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Give great speeches that people in different parts of the USA want to listen to.
    Ensure that every state is included in visits by a charming politician who can give a long speech.
    Find a candidate who can keep talking for a long time.
    "Fake news" and "social media" cannot actually make a politician not show up in person all over the different parts of the USA and give a good speech.
    People all over the USA remember who they went to see in person and their ability to give a great speech.

    Dont lecture people in different states from the elite coast. All the other states can sway that US election so be more aware of local issues all around the USA.
    Dont speak of people all over the USA in a negative way. You need their vote and voters do remember all the negative words used to describe their nice parts of the USA.
    Try been positive about each part of the USA and just listen to their needs.
    Dont stay on the elite east and west coast giving short lectures to the rest of the USA.
    Talk about jobs, freedom and wealth. Real people want real ideas about good jobs, education, housing, not more negative lectures on elite issues.
    A really great candidate can get out the vote all over the USA. Staying on elite coast talking points did not win an election.
    Election observers from different political parties ensured no federal level "hacking" could happen.
    Each city, state, town voted for a person they wanted elected.
    The vote got counted and the results showed who the US states wanted elected.
    Other nations did not bus out millions of their embassy staff to vote in person all over the USA. The FBI would have noticed a few extra million embassy staff in the USA at that time.
    Other nations did not vote in the millions all over the USA. Other nations did not "hack" the computer vote as US elections do not get all counted digitally by one national computer.
    The votes get counted and the count is observed locally all over the USA.
    Real people all over different parts of the USA selected the person they wanted.
    If a political party wants their vote, fly out to their state and talk to lots of people in person.

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  14. Always Influenced by JimSadler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does anyone actually believe that local churches don't interfere in elections as well as thousands of commercial organizations? I am certain that the US does a great deal to influence the results of foreign elections as well . Look at lunatic groups like the Tea Party that devote themselves to do nothing but influence elections. Sure, you can bet that if Russia feels that a certain outcome in the US will be better for Russia that great efforts will be made. Our best answer is a much higher level of education for all of our youth. Right now we have a general public that is infested with all kinds of garbage that they believe to be the truth. I fear that if the general public starts to catch on to what is going on around them that all hell will break out and our nation and society might completely melt down. Look at the immoral vampires that now occupy the White House. They want to suck the life blood out of our nation and contribute nothing at all. An entire year has passed and the supposedly important wall is not being built at all. Congress and the Senate are doing nothing good for America or our people.

  15. Re: What free speech? What free and fair election? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "USA does NOT have free and fair elections, the people voted against Trump by millions and millions of votes and he got the Whitehouse anyway."

    Stopped reading comment here. Learn how our election works or STFU about it.

  16. Question what you read by Bert64 · · Score: 2

    The problem could be solved by educating people to question what they read and do their own research when a subject matters rather than blindly believing what someone else tells them...

    But an educated populace is not what the incumbents want, they like the idea of a populace that believes whatever propaganda they read, what they don't like is for anyone else to have the ability to put propaganda infront of large numbers of people.

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  17. The left have embraced Freedom House by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2

    I've always liked Freedom House and often linked to this map as evidence that the countries the US protected ended up more free than the ones the Commies managed to overrun.

    https://freedomhouse.org/repor...

    Of course when I did that the US left would say that Freedom House was 'a right wing site'.

    Now it seems Freedom House - who are doggedly anti Russia/China and pro US - have released a report which fits the 'Russians influenced the election' narrative and it seems that Freedom House are suddenly a trusted source.

    Amazing.

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  18. Re: What free speech? What free and fair election? by jbengt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You're forgetting, though, that the number of electoral votes per voting block is not proportional to the size of the block. Each state gets a minimum of 3 electoral votes, no matter how small the state. So the states with greater population have more potential voters per electoral vote, and the states with less population have fewer per electoral vote. The ratio of how much votes count can be almost 4 to 1, depending on population and voter turnout of the states being compared.
    That bias may be based in the history of the country being composed of separate states that had to compromise with each other in order to agree to come together, but it still isn't fair to the voters in my state.

  19. Re:Those in power by penandpaper · · Score: 2

    There's this term "direct democracy". You should research it.

    I keep getting redirected to mob rule, group think, and mass hysteria.