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EU Lawmakers Back Exports Control on Spying Technology (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: EU lawmakers overwhelmingly backed plans on Thursday to control exports of devices to intercept mobile phone calls, hack computers or circumvent passwords that could be used by foreign states to suppress political opponents or activists. Members of the European Parliament's trade committee voted by 34 votes to one in favor of a planned update to export controls on "dual use" products or technologies. The EU has had export controls since 2009 on such dual use products including toxins, laser and technology for navigation or nuclear power, which can have a civilian or military applications but also be used to make weapons of mass destruction. The EU has felt that spyware or malware and telecom of Internet surveillance technologies are increasingly threatening security and human rights and proposed a modernization of its export control system to cover cyber-surveillance.

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  1. EU is a strange beast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Lawmakers" is pretty ambiguous here. Remember that in the EU, the Commission "proposes" (i.e. "makes"?) the law, whereas the Parliament votes on them. They tend to take pretty different stances, the Commission being much pro-industry and doing much dirty inter-nation bargaining (the members of the Commission are sent by the member states, thus being removed one layer more from democracy), the Parliament being more pro individual/human rights.

    Lobby money flows traditionally towards the Commission, although "industry" is discovering Parliament as of late.

    Me? I'd introduce Corporate Death Penalty whenever a corp is caught lobbying: Take the corp's assets (including their shareholders's, of course) and disband their three upper echelons. Force those to work pro bono in some NGO Ã la Doctors Without Borders or Amnesty International for three years.

    I think this kind of shameless lobbying is quickly killing our civil society.

  2. logic by phantomfive · · Score: 1
    Here is a quote from the article about their motivation:

    "The move is part of the EU’s strategy to take advantage of the trade vacuum left by more protectionist U.S. President Donald Trump both in terms of striking trade accords with other countries and setting values for global trade."

    It appears the trade commission decided to increase trade by restricting trade, and creating regulations that make no sense. (Are they really going to stop the export of computers and SDR? Not that those are made in Europe anyway, but why let that stop a futile gesture?).

    Hey, let's cheer them on, at least they aren't starting any wars or insulting other world leaders.

    (PS I lied, looks like AMD has a fab in Europe. Careful, those are usable for hacking!)

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    1. Re:logic by Plammox · · Score: 3, Informative

      Are they really going to stop the export of computers and SDR? Not that those are made in Europe anyway, but why let that stop a futile gesture?

      I know at least one deep packet inspection equipment maker here, off the top of my head. I'm sure there are many others.

    2. Re:logic by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      They are introducing measures to increase trade, but one provision of those new measures is to safeguard the EU's moral stance on the export of surveillance equipment to states where it might be abused.

      Unfortunately they don't seem to be including the UK on the list of abusers, but it's still better than nothing.

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    3. Re:logic by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Ah, I see what you are getting at. According to you, they are saying, "We don't want these devices to be used to oppress citizens, so we won't let them be exported." Whether or not they will succeed is one thing, but at least they are trying.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    4. Re:logic by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      ...they are saying, "We don't want these devices to be used to oppress other nation's citizens just our own so we won't let them be exported."

      FTFY

      After all, if they have strict restrictions on exporting them who do you think will be buying and using most of them?

      Strat

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    5. Re:logic by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      That's it. Of course those devices will still leak out, I'm sure. But if EU based companies can't sell directly or provide any support to people in those countries, it at least makes them much less valuable. Typically those tools are not plug-and-play, they require training and expertise to use.

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    6. Re:logic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the subject of computers not being made in Europe anyway: don't worry my friend. You guys in the U S of A (USA! USA! Hooraaay!) can continue assemble deh computarz.

      We here in Europe we make the machines that make the actual chips. You can find us in Eindhoven at ASML. You know, the ASML that is world famous for it among geeks and nerds around the world. That ASML is in Europe.

      Fuck us enough, and we will replace both AMD and Intel. Or did you think that we have no brains in Europe and that only the U S of A can do this?

      Think again. More, much more, than in the US. Dummies.

      Now, do you want to buy another chip fab from us? We are the only ones who can create them reliably for you. Note that China and Russia and a lot of other world powers are also buying them. Also from us.

      We are just not too interested in brainless production of chips themselves. That has not much to do with the research and development behind an actual CPU, SoC or other kind of thing for which you need ASML's products to produce them. Reliability of the machines to mass produce the chips, however. For that you need Europeans' brains.

    7. Re:logic by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      You can find us in Eindhoven at ASML

      City of light, woohoo!

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    8. Re:logic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two of the largest telecoms equipment makers are European (Nokia and Ericsson).

    9. Re:logic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The USA isn't the competition here. China, South Korea, Taiwan and Japan are. Moreover, while ASML is by far the supplier of lithography equipment, it isn't the only one. There are also a few Japanese suppliers.

    10. Re:logic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, that's why we don't produce our own CPUs and instead let the Americans do that boring part (or we make the Americans believe we don't produce our own things like CPUs and SoCs. We do that in Europe too, of course).

      I guess it's just funny to see the Americans constantly shouting how great they are in technology. While they really are not all that great at it. Not compared to Europe. Nor compared to China. Probably also not compared to Russia. Nor to India.

    11. Re:logic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US has its strengths in technology. They're among the top in aerospace, defence equipment, medicine, some types of electronics and probably a few other things as well. However, for some reason the American press have decided to rebrand web-based services as 'technology', which may give many Americans the impression the US is as leading in actual technology as they are in web-based services, which is of course not the reality.

    12. Re:logic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Qosmos + Amesys sold mass spying solutions in Lybia, Syria, Egypt, as far as I remember.

    13. Re:logic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's confusingly written. They should have used the word "framework" instead of strategy and put it in the context of Trump protectionism, and not juxtapose a part of the framework as a counter move towards that bigger protectionist backdrop.

  3. what really threatens human rights? by sittingnut · · Score: 0

    "The EU has felt that spyware or malware and telecom of Internet surveillance technologies are increasingly threatening security and human rights"

    greatest threats to individual security and human rights comes not technologies, used by random harmful people, but from modern states(or would be states) like eu, usa, china, russia, etc., all of which now seem to operate beyond democratic accountability and corrupt to the core, and monopolistic corps(especially technological conglomerates like amazon, google, facebook etc ) .
    unless deep state apparatus and functionaries are made transparent, accountable to citizens, and criminally liable, and monopolistic corps are democratically and transparently regulated, human right and individual security has no chance.

  4. Re:Horses for courses. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    Perhaps those regulations don't make sense to you. Likewise, you don't make sense to me.

    A stunning analysis based in logic and pure sequitur. Applauded to be you are. Infallible well logic sense is done!

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  5. Encryption being encouraged in the same ruling by freax · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the same ruling they are also encouraging the use of encryption and explicitly stating that EU states must not ban the use of encryption.

  6. You can't export spying technology! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    We barely have enough of it to keep our own citizens under control, if China wants to spy on their people they can bloody well do that themselves, too!

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  7. Re:Socialists are the most selfish by Opportunist · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Like... say ... Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Austria, Germany, France...

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  8. Re:EU lawmakers support Trump going to prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nah, the US preference of locking their own people into high security prisons for just about anything they ever did is not shared by the EU. They would rather prefer him to go into early retirement.

  9. Re:EU lawmakers support Trump going to prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You didn't ask any of them.

  10. Re:Socialists are the most selfish by Opportunist · · Score: 0

    Those are basically the only countries in Europe that could possibly be considered "left", so what the hell is the GP talking about?

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  11. EU's Moral Stance my ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their moral stance? Really? No, it's because they don't want competition. The EU is very happy with the member states criminalizing beliefs and cultural expressions.

  12. Accidental export ban on telecom equipment by The+Cynical+Critic · · Score: 1

    Banning the export of "dual use" products? They obviously don't know that functionality for being able to listen in on phone calls is a standard feature of telecom backbone equipment and is commonly used for perfectly legal things like criminal investigations and (actual) anti-terrorism. What this means is that European makers of it (or rather the maker of it after Nokia's networks division first merged with Siemens' and then bought out Alcatel-Lucent) need to start making sabotaged versions of their equipment, thus giving non-European competitors a clear competitive edge, or stop exporting it outside of Europe altogether.

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    1. Re:Accidental export ban on telecom equipment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They might be talking about those "software implants" that can be added to smartphones to allow display snooping, real-time editing of text messages. Whenever I have a Skype telephone interview with a company in Europe or USA, within 24-hours, I have recruiters from other parts of the UK demanding I send them an updated CV. It is getting irritating and creepy.

      https://bestcellphonespyapps.com/ddi-review/

    2. Re:Accidental export ban on telecom equipment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ayup - the list would only be complete once they include paper cups and string, binoculars, telescopes, stethoscopes, cameras of all types, pencils and paper...

  13. Not just "lobbying". *Treason* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is what we used to to call it.

    A crime that is alread punished with the maximum sentence.

    But nowadays, "lobbyism" is what n00bs do. The real pros do not manipulate politicians. They ARE the politicians. And after their term, get a nice job and a big bonus.
    This literally publicly happened to German Chancellor Gerhard "gazprom" SchrÃder. But of you actuall check, nearly every politician nowadays is actually such a beast.
    So the only reason there is still "lobbying", is to manipulate the " lobbyist" politicians of competing corporations!

  14. "demand, why?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    well, if the EU companies cannot sell this crap, then they will
    go bankrupt and again another industry moves to china with forced
    51% local ownership laws and ... backdoors.
    maybe not today, but once they have caught up with ..errr... copied the rest of the world their
    manufacturing supremacy will be enforced with more dubious tactics.

    if there's a demand for this ev1l tech, someone will provide it.