DC Fans Angry Over Rotten Tomatoes 'Justice League' Ratings (wired.com)
Rotten Tomatoes launched a new movie-review series called See It/Skip It last week -- but it just made some people hate the site even more. An anonymous reader quotes Wired:
Rotten Tomatoes, the review-aggregator-slash-Hollywood-agitator, had irked DC fans by withholding its Justice League score until Thursday night's See It/Skip It premiere -- even though a wave of reviews for the film had already been posted online. The move was ostensibly a ploy to get viewers to tune in for the show, yet others saw a greater villainy at work: Was Rotten Tomatoes, which is owned in part by Warner Bros., actually trying to shield the studio from an inevitably bad grade that could help kill its opening weekend?
The See It/Skip It pushback -- which involved a lot of Tweet-screaming -- was a reminder of just how controversial Justice League had become... With Justice League having earned a less-than-expected $96 million in its opening weekend, the lowest ever for a DCEU title, the movie will likely be seen as a Flash-point moment for DC movies as a whole. Considering how some DC obsessives have reacted to the films' bad reviews -- there have been death threats in the past -- the conspiracy theory is actually a somewhat measured response... But there's another reason for all the pre-release pressure on Justice League: With the exception of this summer's Wonder Woman, the previous DC entries have all earned disappointingly low scores on Rotten Tomatoes... For some fans, the low scores felt like a referendum not only on [director Zack] Snyder's work, but the DC Extended Universe franchise as a whole -- so much so, a few defenders even began to speculate as to whether Rotten Tomatoes was manipulating the DCEU data (or, at the very least, grading the reviews on a much steeper curve than the Marvel films). Such theories filled message boards and Quora discussions, and there was even a Change.org petition to shut the site down that collected more than 23,000 signatures... Dangling the [Justice League] verdict in front of fans, and putting off the inevitable, felt like a misuse of power.
"They just want to focus on the negative," one DC fan told the Chicago Tribune. Meanwhile, the film's director has endorsed a Change.org petition calling for the release of his original edit of the film.
Justice League cost nearly a third of a billion dollars to produce. On Thanksgiving Day, it earned less money than Disney-Pixar's film Coco.
The See It/Skip It pushback -- which involved a lot of Tweet-screaming -- was a reminder of just how controversial Justice League had become... With Justice League having earned a less-than-expected $96 million in its opening weekend, the lowest ever for a DCEU title, the movie will likely be seen as a Flash-point moment for DC movies as a whole. Considering how some DC obsessives have reacted to the films' bad reviews -- there have been death threats in the past -- the conspiracy theory is actually a somewhat measured response... But there's another reason for all the pre-release pressure on Justice League: With the exception of this summer's Wonder Woman, the previous DC entries have all earned disappointingly low scores on Rotten Tomatoes... For some fans, the low scores felt like a referendum not only on [director Zack] Snyder's work, but the DC Extended Universe franchise as a whole -- so much so, a few defenders even began to speculate as to whether Rotten Tomatoes was manipulating the DCEU data (or, at the very least, grading the reviews on a much steeper curve than the Marvel films). Such theories filled message boards and Quora discussions, and there was even a Change.org petition to shut the site down that collected more than 23,000 signatures... Dangling the [Justice League] verdict in front of fans, and putting off the inevitable, felt like a misuse of power.
"They just want to focus on the negative," one DC fan told the Chicago Tribune. Meanwhile, the film's director has endorsed a Change.org petition calling for the release of his original edit of the film.
Justice League cost nearly a third of a billion dollars to produce. On Thanksgiving Day, it earned less money than Disney-Pixar's film Coco.
DC fans are butthurt? What’s supposed to be the news here?
Let me get this straight, when Batman vs. Superman came out the conspiracy was that Rotten Tomatoes was colluding with Disney/Marvel to tank the movie but this year it’s that it was trying to hide bad reviews to not tank a DC movie? Seems Warner Bros. needs to work harder on being more consistent in their conspiracy plots...
Meanwhile, the film's director has endorsed a Change.org petition calling for the release of his original edit of the film.
Oh here we go again. The simple fact is that Snyder is not a good director. If you can't tell a story in 2 hours, you're not a good story teller. Stop trying to cram 4 movies into a single one.
I do believe that Joss Whedon's reshoots did more harm than good, but if the film had been watchable to start with, then WB wouldn't have requested Whedon to do so.
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Mutant...superhero...weird. It didn't matter what they called me. I was free at last to indulge in my fantasy of wearing women's nylons and yoga pants. 'Cause that's what people who get superpowers do - they wear gay clothes.
Seriously, I couldn't tell you who are DC heros and who are Marvel heros and who are off-brand heros. I can tell you that there are way too many stupid-ass superheros.
It didn't have Gleek the Monkey or that snazzy announcer "Meaaaanwhiiile, back at the Hall of Justice..."
We'll make great pets
It has only become an issue for Hollywood in more recent years. The problem is not Rotten Tomatoes, but the quality of films Hollywood is producing.
There is very little worth seeing. Half the films seem to be superhero films, which many people have no interest in. The other half are remakes, reboots or generally trash.
People seem so damned intolerant of anything anymore. You have people who, if you don't agree with everything they espouse, no matter how unrealistic it may be, you are labeled a hater, a bigot, stupid, intolerant, whatever. Frankly, I'm sick of it.
Just two days ago, my wife and I were over at her mother's for Thanksgiving, and my wife's brother, the youngest in the family and still in university, trotted out this "Thanksgiving is white privilege bullshit". Universities... supposedly places where differing thoughts and opinions can swirl around, have become bastions of intolerance for any differing opinion or belief.
That's what happens when you praise Edison instead of Tesla.
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Really? Petitioning the federal government to release a movie edit? Shit like this, no wonder this country is a laughingstock.
First of all, I just have to say: First world problems on this one...
Second of all, people have to realize that critic reviews have, almost since the time of Shakespeare, been overly critical of media that is primarily audience targeted and for lack of a better term fun to experience. Critics want edgy, ground breaking artistic media because for the most part they watch way too many movies and are burnt out and cynical. The rest of us who watch maybe 25 movies a year are for the most part just looking for a good time. The best barometer I have found to figure out if I will enjoy a movie or not is the Amazon reviews score and reading the top positive and top negative. There is always the risk of a spoiler, but it is a far better barometer because normal people are giving their impressions. As traditional media and newspapers die, so too should the movie critic industry. It is an antiquated system that is neither useful nor necessary in the modern era.
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
What the hell are you talking about? No one is petitioning the US government. It’s a petition to Warner Bros. Also, I’m failing to understand how an Egyptian DC fan making a useless change.org petition means that the US is a laughingstock. Care to explain that logic?
People are slowly reverting to their savage, primitive, tribal nature.
For centuries, if not millenia, people have fought and died to pull humanity out from the depth of barbarism and into the light of civilization. Slowly but surely, things like war, genocide, blodshed, slavery, human traficcing, sexual exploitation of women and children, linching, mob mentality and superstitions have been replaced with collaboration, gender equality, the state of law, justice, education, knowledge and science.
But in the last few decades, all of this has started to go all to hell. Extremists, both right and left-wing, once confined to the shadows, are now more and more emboldened to come out in the open. Religious superstitions and sects and sprouting everywhere. There's a systematic war on science. People are being judged, condemned, and executed (both phisically and figuratively) by social media linch mobs. delusional conspiracy theorists are spreading like a disease. Bearded savages in the middle-east are trying to push human civilization back to the dark ages. Democracies are slowly turning into fascism, police states, and other forms of tyranny.
"May you live in interesting times". This surely is true from a sociologist/anthropologist point of vew, but this is certainly not the kind of world I feel confortable raising my children in.
I feel part of the problem with DCU is their hackneyed approach to telling the individual stories. Superman got a movie, Wonderwoman got a movie, but what about Cyborg or Aquaman? Batman can be forgiven given his screen time already, and frankly I don't need to watch another hour of cutscenes describing in painstakingly detail just how Bruce Wayne became Batman ( BvS, looking at you ).
Aquaman especially; if anything, Justice League introduced a version of Aquaman I'd like to know more about, but instead they just throw him out there ruining a perfectly good story telling chance. Cyborg too; unless you knew the backstory, I get the impression a lot of folks will be lost.
Between Justice League and BvS, DCU is ignoring the supporting stories and going right to the climax. If there's a reason MCU is doing better, it's that right there; they know how to build a story.
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Superman is a terrible superhero w.r.t. storyline. Its that simple.
You speak of the first two Superman movies, but are missing the real fist movies that had the winning formula, which is light action comedy. Thats the only way Superman works on screen.
Honestly he would be a much better villain on screen. Villains should be nearly all powerful, not the hero.
"His name was James Damore."
The story sucked. The special effects were outstanding, especially in 3D.
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Nobody can defeat Jean gray as Phoenix. That's why professor Xavier tried to block it out of her memory for all those years. ;)
It's not comedy so much as "not humorless dystopian nightmares".
Normal human beings joke during stressful times. Even soldiers in combat laugh occasionally.
DC movies were made by a director who appears to actively want to destroy the DC characters.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
> Re:DC sucks
> > That's what happens when you praise Edison instead of Tesla.
You should have posted as AC.
I agree... Marvel movies seem more hopeful. Yeah the world may be in peril, again, but it seems like a world worth saving. DC is stuck in the same dystopian storytelling that led to Hunger Games, Divergent, Maze Runner and all those damn zombie apocalypse movies. It's hard to see WHY anyone would want to save those worlds sometimes. Audiences don't want to be depressed every time they go see a movie. Dystopian series have passed their sell buy date.
The best Superman film I've seen is an Animated one. "All Star Superman" (The names a pun on the fact hes literally powered by sunlight). They frigging nail him in that. He's the big blue boyscout, whos a bit TOO pure for this world, but he loves the place so much he'd give his life to save it, and for that the world loves him back. THATS superman.
Its interesting that with the Wonderwoman movie, they actually got her right, and in return, the audience and critics loved it, and loved her. Just do that for Supes, and save the grimdark shit for batman. Grimdark works for batman, he's goddamn batman and batman is sad and punches people a lot. The rest of them are not grimdark, especially fucking supes.
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Warner Brothers made a deal with Rotten Tomatoes a while back and at WBs request, Rotten Tomatoes will withhold reviews until the night of the premiere. The move was slammed by critics and earned its abysmal score. There was a lot of backlash from fans at Rotten Tomatoes for not publishing the review until the premiere. It is not doing well in the box office, and its not because of the ratings. The latest DC universe save the exception of Wonder Woman, is just not doing well. The TV shows are doing better, but unlike Marvel tying everything to one universe, DC has its TV shows set in two different universes (Supergirl and then Flash/Arrow) and their Movies in a third different universe. There is no unifying tie-in. Fans of the TV shows are upset they didn't cast those actors in the movies. They are alienating and splitting their own fans. Its DC's own fault. Stop trying to blame an aggregate site.