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Google Can Tell if Someone Is Looking at Your Phone Over Your Shoulder (qz.com)

Dave Gershgorn, writing for Quartz: At the Neural Information Processing Systems conference in Long Beach, California, next week, Google researchers Hee Jung Ryu and Florian Schroff will present a project they're calling an electronic screen protector, where a Google Pixel phone uses its front-facing camera and eye-detecting artificial intelligence to detect whether more than one person is looking at the screen. An unlisted, but public video by Ryu shows the software interrupting a Google messaging app to display a camera view, with the peeking perpetrator identified and given a Snapchat-esque vomit rainbow. Ryu and Schroff claim the system works with different lighting conditions and poses, and can recognize a person's gaze in 2 milliseconds. Ostensibly, this AI software is able to work so quickly because it's being run on the phone, rather than sent for processing on the company's powerful cloud servers.

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  1. Wear sunglasses by dicobalt · · Score: 1

    Wow that was hard.

    1. Re:Wear sunglasses by gnick · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sunglasses even when I'm using my own phone. It's only a matter of time before we see apps demanding access to the camera so that they can detect "eyes-on-ads". That'll be a sad day.

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    2. Re:Wear sunglasses by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      People wearing sunglasses still look like intruders, so the alarm will still go off.

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  2. yes... and... how will this be used? by vux984 · · Score: 2

    1) to charge extra when more than one person watches netflix?
    2) to do targeted advertising based on who is looking?
    3) to pause commercials if I look away until I face the screen again?
    4) to pause ads if the other person looks away, to make sure they see the ads too?

    5) to pause the video if I look away.

    6) to black out your screen any time someone else happens to look at it. great if you to don't want your bf/gf/wife/husband to see the text messages your sending... not so great if you are trying to *show* him/her the text messages your sending. And truly annoying the moment your kids and friends figure out they can black your phone out by glancing at the screen, and start doing it just to mess with you.

    Why is the camera even on? Camera should only be on, when I turn it on. Yet another feature from google I don't want.

    Meanwhile, it won't tell if I'm being recorded by 40 other cameras. So its a false sense of security at best.

    1. Re: yes... and... how will this be used? by TheOuterLinux · · Score: 1

      Damn...didn't even think about the charge extra thing...

    2. Re:yes... and... how will this be used? by HelpTheNewOverlord · · Score: 1
      7) To not show your password as you type it?

      It may be misused, but it can be used for good things too. If it is local and I can control its activation, I don't see a problem.

    3. Re: yes... and... how will this be used? by vux984 · · Score: 1

      "Paranoid much? Samsung phones already have a feature called smart stay, which keeps the screen on if you're looking at it. I"

      I have an S7 edge, and find that feature is more annoying than useful, because it doesn't work that well. Your right though, I haven't heard of any privacy issues related to that. Doesn't mean there aren't any. Do we know if that's included back in the telemetry sent to samsung... how often you look at the phone, and for how long; or if it fingerprints the faces and reports back how many different people... etc. I hope its not doing any of that, but I don't know one way or the other.

      With the amount of BS these companies try to pull right now, it certainly wouldn't surprise me.

      " The feature described in this article can be used for the convenience of users and also to improve privacy if it's used correctly."

      Yes, the article covered that. I'm pointing out what the article didn't consider.

      "It's also relatively easy to defeat a camera by covering it up."

      Why should I ever have to "defeat" my phone. It's *my* phone.

    4. Re: yes... and... how will this be used? by Known+Nutter · · Score: 1
      You should really learn to use blockquote tags.

      They're awesome!

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    5. Re: yes... and... how will this be used? by vux984 · · Score: 1

      You should really learn to use blockquote tags.

      They're awesome!

      I use them all the time. Sometimes I don't close them properly; and I'm far to lazy to preview posts. ;)

    6. Re:yes... and... how will this be used? by swillden · · Score: 1

      7) To not show your password as you type it?

      It may be misused, but it can be used for good things too. If it is local and I can control its activation, I don't see a problem.

      More importantly, to tell you not to type your password when someone is watching. Obscuring the letters of the password is standard, but doesn't prevent someone from seeing what letters you press on the onscreen keyboard.

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  3. EyesOnU by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

    So, what they're really saying is what we already suspected - google devices are always spying on you, now it's visual and they are identifying what's happening in the background.

    1. Re:EyesOnU by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1
      Rest easy

      it's being run on the phone, rather than sent for processing on the company's powerful cloud servers.

      Although I am sure this means: "it's being run on the phone before being sent to the company for further processing".

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  4. Rather than a "vomit rainbow"... by mykepredko · · Score: 1

    Maybe blurring the screen? The example in the TFA isn't great and it implies when there is an eavesdropper, a view of the user and the highlighted image of the person looking over their shoulder comes into view.

    I'm thinking that if the display is truly horrific and/or ruins the user experience, the phone's owner will probably disable the feature.

  5. More creepy than the peeping by TheOuterLinux · · Score: 1

    Like we need more facial recognition in the world... Just wait until people realize that devices like this involuntarily collect biometrics on everyone in things like group selfies and family photos. No fancy Facebook code required this time, just a new smart phone. It's not coincidence that Apple made a new video and image format. They'll have facial recognition exif data in key frames inside videos based on what it knows from your photos. Then, your YouTube and Facebook uploads get to collect that data.

  6. and the battery-eating continues by holophrastic · · Score: 1

    Another problem that 1% had, and that no one wanted solved, especially by a solution with a huge cost: no one will be looking over my shoulder when my battery is dead.

  7. Nice. However... by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    I can think of several low-tech approaches that will accomplish the same thing, just as fast, as probably more reliably. This is mostly one of that we-are-doing-it-because-we-can kind of things.

  8. How did we get here by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    How did we get here, I wonder?

    I can remember when GMail first came out and they were scanning the messages for spam. Everyone thought it was creepy, and an invasion of privacy, and maybe we shouldn't be using GMail for our personal messages...

    ...but Google said it only correlates words, it doesn't interpret the *meaning* of the text, and your privacy is safe. E-mail is unencrypted when it goes out over the net, by the way, you have no expectation of privacy.

    Fast forward and we have Twitter and Facebook reading our feeds and automatically banning people. With no warnings, no explanation or identification of what caused the ban, just "you were saying inappropriate things, you're gone".

    And of course their system can't be everywhere all the time, so they have "report this post" links where people can helpfully alert the companies about posts that should be examined.

    ...but now being reported itself is enough to get banned. Instead of examining the content, the system just goes ahead and *assumes* that if several people were concerned, the content is inappropriate.

    (This, of course, gets abused in so many ways for political spite.)

    Google is now scanning peoples' documents stored online, and simply banning access to the docs if the topics are deemed "unnecessary " (as in: "needlessly graphic or violent content". You didn't *need* to have that, so we're banning your short story.)

    They don't give warnings or even explanation of what was detected, simply remove the person's 1st amendment right: you can't share the document with others. Or, apparently, copy it back to your local system.

    Now they look over your shoulder, helpfully telling you that someone is snooping on your video chat.

    Great. Wonderful. Completely useful feature, helps us keep our privacy. It's creepy, but for a good cause.

    How did we get here again?

    1. Re:How did we get here by Moof123 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We got here by you dolts continuing to use those products.

      I quit Facebook. I don't use Twitter. I don't use Google Docs. I barely use my Gmail account, and keep really personal stuff out of email and messaging systems in general. I use my phone mostly as a phone and a calculator and install very little on it, I frankly overbought my phone as it was the cheapest way to get non-junk with vanilla Android at the time. I don't rely on Cloud stuff more than I am forced to, rather I keep my stuff local and don't use non-standalone products for anything I care about. I keep hard copy backups of really important stuff like tax records.

      It is not hard, but people need to actually vote with their feet. Instead they pine about the fjords every time a new line is crosses and carry on shoveling their personal life details to these unholy behemoths. So frankly we as a society are where we deserve to be.

    2. Re:How did we get here by pete6677 · · Score: 1

      You sacrifice a lot, and gain very little.

    3. Re:How did we get here by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

      We got here by you dolts continuing to use those products.

      I quit Facebook. I don't use Twitter. I don't use Google Docs.

      You quit Facebook and you're calling others dolts? You should have never signed up!

      Keep in mind that the search engines track all your searches. Your internet provider tracks, well, all your internet traffic. So unless you are using a VPN, you're not really showing anyone anything.

      The key is just to keep in mind that your online information is online, for all to see. So use it appropriately... but still use it!

  9. Incorporate with Signal by crow · · Score: 2

    This is the sort of thing you would want to have included with encrypted messaging apps like Signal. Of course, it should be a configurable option, and when it detects other eyes on the screen, it should display an option to override the privacy (perhaps you want to show a message to a friend). But for reading possibly sensitive messages in a public place, this is a great idea.

    Though I agree that there are a lot of cases where you don't want this, and it could be used to your disadvantage. That's why I want to see a phone where access to any given hardware can be controlled, with the option to provide simulated hardware in cases where you want the app to think it's using the real camera, GPS, motion sensor, or whatever. And that should include the network (which happens to be down all the time for certain apps, or only up when I'm viewing them).

  10. And it can detect when a third person is watching at your phone, besides you and Google. Isn't it neat?

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  11. Ya, but ... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    ... can it also detect when Google is looking over your shoulder?

    [ Oh wait, that's basically always. ]

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  12. Will it tell me if the NSA is spying? by WCMI92 · · Score: 1

    What kind of emoji do they get?

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  13. Always-on Camera by SeattleLawGuy · · Score: 1

    Because billions of devices with always-on cameras is good. In case someone doesn't respect your privacy and peeks over your shoulder.

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  14. today vs tomorrow by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Maybe that's still working today. But if the progresses of Facebook's face recognition is used as a benchmark, very soon, the only way to escape google's detection would be to wear dazzle make-up.

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  15. And lowfi tech wins again? by Joviex · · Score: 1

    Use a mirror. #REKT