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FCC Chairman Keeps Up Assault on Social Media (axios.com)

Republican FCC Chairman Ajit Pai is doubling down on his critique of tech companies, asking whether social media is "a net benefit to American society" in remarks at the Media Institute on Wednesday. "Now, I will tell you upfront that I don't have an answer." From a report: What he said: Pai made the case that social media has been key to the politicization of many aspects of American life. "Everything nowadays is political. Everything. ... This view that politics-is-all is often made worse by social media," he said, per his prepared remarks.

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  1. Also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is also made worse by his policy ideas, so there's that.

    1. Re:Also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      His policy ideas? I am not sure they are really his. I remember very similar ones from 80's Bulgaria.

      The government had become very interested in "Non-formal social groups", and was looking very hard at which ones were beneficial to Communist society, and which one were not. The leader of 'non-beneficial groups" would find themselves harassed and 'counseled' if they were innocuous enough, or set up, compromised, and possibly expelled/fired/reeducated if they were deemed threatening.

      I did not expect to see the same thing happen again when I made a life for myself in the United States. But on the bright side, I guess the criteria by which targets are judged will be different in Trump's America compared to Communist Bulgaria. Although I bet at least two things will not change. There will be a lot of subjectivity involved and Muslims will be on top of the shit list.

      I'm curious as to which operations will end up having been conducted with more skill and success.

    2. Re:Also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, I just did. And you know what? It is scary how much his language mirror the Communist justifications. Losing touch with the real world, divisiveness, contrary to the national values, the works...

      In the 80s, it was about high school students listening to Heavy Metal instead of Communist songs and people's (folk) music, or about minorities or locals discussing their history and traditions. Now, I guess it is a threat to free speech to have a group where you can discuss whatever interests you, if that happens to be disliked by the Powers of the Day. I guess it is terrible if people can post about how Pai is fighting against the commie monsters who are trying to prevent Comcast from wisely steering you away from substandard Internet content.

      We most definitely need government policing communication between citizens, or better yet, allowing service providers to benevolently lead us to all the right places.

    3. Re:Also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If actually read what he said about Social Media I don't know how anyone can really disagree with his position on it.

      By all indications it does isolate people, cause political divisions, and is a huge waste of time.

      It is not the job of the FCC to decide on whether or not social media should exist. Our constitution pretty much says yes it is allowed. We need ways to validate links to see if the information is true or not, and it needs to be in real time and available to everyone who is viewing the link.

      The Internet is basically a commons, or at least it should be. Letting ISPs allow different companies to win and others to lose, is the same as dedicating entire roads for the elite. We would not put up with it. We should not put up with this. Keep speaking out about how stupid this is.

  2. Benefit to American society? by DickBreath · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I might be able to agree that social media is not a net benefit to American society. But for entirely different reasons than Ajit Pai.

    Ajit Pai doesn't like it because people can express opinions -- oh my!

    I think it is simply a huge black hole for time that could be productively used for employment, study, personal enrichment, and trolling slashdot. With the additional benefit of avoiding more ads. Don't get me started about TV.

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    1. Re:Benefit to American society? by WheezyJoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think it is simply a huge black hole for time that could be productively used for employment, study, personal enrichment, and trolling slashdot. With the additional benefit of avoiding more ads. Don't get me started about TV.

      True this. But let's not start sounding like our grandparents, blaming the fall of Western Civilization on that blasted idiot box. We survived. So will the kids who grew up with the Internet.

      Big Picture, Mr. Idiot Pai is simply performing a pivot; attempting to duck the controversy about Net-Neutrality with a head-fake toward the boogeyman of mean, mean social media (and the rich, nasty, West-Coast libs who own it). Let your mind go soft and go "Gosh, maybe the Internet would be nicer if ISP's could charge more against nasty social-media sites and newspapers that pick on helpless political hacks like Pai and his sweet dear leader." Think nice thoughts while Pai's FCC junks Net-Neutrality and Title II with a party-line vote to open the floodgates to vast new opportunities for ISP profits. I wonder which of his relatives is flush flush flush with Verizon and Comcast stock, ready to take off once they finally have the right to get a piece of every successful internet business' action.

      Put simple, you wanna stream that Disney movie? Not on Comcast's wires you won't, not unless Disney pays Comcast a little extra for that bandwidth. Money money money that will eventually trickle out of you. Oh, sure, you can just pirate from a torrent... but wait! without Net-Neutrality, your ISP can shut that off, completely. VPN? Now they're calling it a business application, costs extra to carry those packets. The possibilities for new fees are as boundless as the Internet itself, with that silly Net-Neutrality out of the way.

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    2. Re: Benefit to American society? by Rakarra · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have to pay more for faster connection, why shouldn't Disney operate under the same cicumstances?

      They do. Don't they pay for their bandwidth connection? And doesn't the end customers pay for their bandwidth connection?

    3. Re:Benefit to American society? by thomst · · Score: 2

      DickBreath argued:

      I might be able to agree that social media is not a net benefit to American society. But for entirely different reasons than Ajit Pai.

      [snip]

      I think it is simply a huge black hole for time that could be productively used for employment, study, personal enrichment, and trolling slashdot. With the additional benefit of avoiding more ads. Don't get me started about TV.

      Err ... don't look now, but /. actually IS "social media". It's more about discussion and less about narcissism than, say, Zuckerbook (although there's certainly no shortage of narcissism here!), but it's about social interaction, all the same. And there are, in fact, ads aplenty - a goodly proportion of which come poorly disguised as "stories" - but I'm guessing you use an adblocker, so you don't see them.

      <snark>I'm also unconvinced that a case can be made for /. as a net benefit to American society ...</snark>

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    4. Re:Benefit to American society? by Xyrus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Is anyone really surprised? Did anyone honestly not see the parallels between the Great Orange Hitler and the original?

      One of the keys of Hitler's rise to power was the control of information. We now have the head of the FCC drawing upon "fake news" and "alternative facts" to push an agenda to give absolute control of information to a handful of major corporations. Once given, these corporations will be able to filter and manipulate any information flowing through them to their own gain. They'll be able to favor candidates, block news sites, charge ridiculous amounts of money for services, and it will all be perfectly legal.

      It's the perfect end-around of the first amendment. The government can't do anything in regards to freedom of speech, but no such stipulation exists for companies. And without net neutrality, those neo-fascists pricks that run the big ISPs can censor and filter and push whatever they like. They'll be able to freely block candidates that don't support their agenda. They can censor out videos and information they don't like. And if you try to work around their restrictions they'll label you as a criminal or a terrorist.

      This is what these assholes have been dreaming of for years; corporate fascist control of information ensuring that only their candidates remain in power. You'll see, hear, and read only what they want you to. The US will develop it's own great firewall so that all of those "bad influences" don't get in. It'll be done "for your protection". It will be done "for our freedoms". And just like Hitler's Germany, the people will cheer this on as the last vestiges of democracy are destroyed.

      Anyone want to take any bets when the modern day equivalent of the Reichstag is going to take place?
       

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  3. Irrelevant by xbytor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "whether social media is "a net benefit to American society" is irrelevant to any discussion of Net Neutrality.

    Whether Twitter is biased is irrelevant to any discussion of Net Neutrality.

    This is just more deflection. Pai has jumped the shark. Anything he says anymore does nothing to contribute to informed discussion.

    Makes me miss Wheeler: he turned out to be far more reasonable than I ever expected and than Pai ever will be.,

    1. Re:Irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is just more deflection. Pai has jumped the shark. Anything he says anymore does nothing to contribute to informed discussion.

      It's worse than that, and Americans should be alarmed and outraged by this.

      You should be alarmed and outraged because he's pas the point of "informed discussion". He's literally counter-attacking the people who have pointed out his lies about net neutrality.

      This is full on Soviet-era deflection, more or less insinuating that you shouldn't listen to Twitter when they say net neutrality is good, because after all, what Twitter does is evil and sketchy and they're probably enemies of the state.

      He has outright decided that facts and informed discussion are pointless, so he's going straight to trying to portray them as not being "net benefit to American society". He's basically threatening them in public that if they continue to disagree with him, things could get messy as they pursue other options to beat them down.

      This is naked thuggery, and people actively refusing to engage in informed discussion. This is making thinly veiled threats at people who point out you're a lying sack of shit.

      If America has reached this point, we're deeply fucked. Because this administration is pretty much showing it will do anything it wants, and if you oppose them they're going to come at you ... basically he's going at Twitter the same way Trump the idiot attacks everyone else on Twitter.

      This is appalling, and pretty much means civility and reason are dead in America. This is essentially an explicit tactic, it's not just some clown who is making false equivalents ... he is deliberately suggesting that Twitter is a bad entity to then say "so don't listen to them when they point out I'm lying".

      He hasn't jumped the shark, but America is in the middle of doing so.

    2. Re:Irrelevant by ClickOnThis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is just more deflection.

      No, it's worse. Pai asks rhetorically whether social media is "a net benefit to American society" and then dodges his own question by saying "Now, I will tell you upfront that I don't have an answer." By doing this, he manages to imply that the answer to his question is "no" without actually saying so. There's a word for this: innuendo.

      Pai has jumped the shark.

      Alas, he's a presidential appointee. We're stuck with him until his term expires.

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  4. Okay, social media is a cesspool, but... by cyberchondriac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    it has squat to do with Net Neutrality. He's conflating issues and handwaving. It does not give the FCC justification to allow the foxes to run amok in the henhouse.

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    1. Re:Okay, social media is a cesspool, but... by Narcocide · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unfortunately this lame ploy will work on 9 out of 10 regular people.

    2. Re:Okay, social media is a cesspool, but... by Xyrus · · Score: 2

      You're a fucking moron who doesn't have a single clue about what this is about.

      Facebook, Google, etc. are content providers. It's there business to provide content, and as businesses they can do whatever the hell the want with their own content. You don't like what they're doing? Don't use them.

      Comcast, Verizon, etc. are not content providers. The provide the connection and the bandwidth. That is ALL they should be doing, and that is what net neutrality ensures. It prevents these companies from being able to block/filter/limit/throttle traffic to these sites. Why is that important? Because if these ISPs are allowed to do so then they are free to whatever they want to the data flowing over there lines. They could block or double charge for content. They could come up with services and then raise the price for similar services so that they could underprice their competitors. They could block all content regarding a particular candidate. They could block all sites with unfavorable reviews. And there'd be absolutely nothing you could say or do about it because in most of America these companies have defacto monopolies.

      THE FIRST AMENDMENT ONLY APPLIES TO THE GOVERNMENT. I wish people would get that through their fucking heads. Corporations have absolutely ZERO obligation to allow free speech, and that goes for ISPs. If you give them the power over the internet, they can do whatever the hell they want to to pursue the biggest profits, including censoring everything and anything they don't like.

      Giving the ISPs power to control what information flows over their lines is one huge step towards corporate fascism and is the wet dream of the current neo-fascists in the White House and Congress. It would grant them the most powerful propaganda machine in history, which is why they are pushing so hard and so fast on this. They want this in place before the mid-term elections,

      ISPs should provide connectivity and bandwidth. ISPs should NOT be telling me what I can and cannot access.

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  5. Fuck you Pai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't see the worth of social media either, but it isn't my place, or yours, to dictate what benefits society.

  6. Re:"Rebublican Chairman" by DickBreath · · Score: 2, Informative

    He is republican in the sense that he was appointed by Trump. As expected he is trying to undo anything done by the previous administration. He is also republican in the sense that he would like to destroy the internet.

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  7. The guy is delusional. . . by Idou · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why does he even bother? Anyone with any remote interest in the subject knows he is nothing more than a paid Verizon shill with an 8 year-old's buzz cut who has no place being the head of the FCC. . .

    Why does he attempt to argue any kind of point online? He is selling out the future of the U.S. for pennies on the dollar and should go to prison for it. He might as well post "FU, bitche$, im gonna get PAID!" every morning when he wakes up, 'cause that is what we imagine he is thinking every time we see his pompous mouth-breather face. . .

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  8. Re:"Rebublican Chairman" by CronoCloud · · Score: 2, Informative

    Because he himself has said that is his political affiliation.

  9. Re:"Rebublican Chairman" by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    He is also Republican in that he decries the large role of politics of society and in doing so denigrates politics overall - part of the game plan of any authoritarian sect. Remember that if you don't have politics deciding issues, you have authorities deciding issues. Yes, democracy and the resulting politics sucks, but they suck a lot less than the alternative.

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  10. Re:Why are social media sites so non-neutral? by Narcocide · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Net neutrality is about bandwidth allocations by upstream ISPs. Stop trying to conflate that with platform's own rules for content moderation. Furthermore, you're a bad person for trying to claim this only happens to "leftist" content or that "leftist" is even a thing.

  11. Re:Why are social media sites so non-neutral? by burtosis · · Score: 2

    Further still, you had the freedom to visit the social media sites of your choice without any barriers or bandwidth issues. That could, and likely will immediately, change without net neutrality.

  12. Re:Why are social media sites so non-neutral? by DickBreath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Net Neutrality is not only about bandwidth allocation but also about WHAT you are allowed to connect to. It is none of my ISP's business nor concern whether my packets are going across the state or across the planet. The source and destination (and contents) of my packets are none of the ISPs business beyond simply routing the packets.

    This is true whether my packets to go a so called 'social' network (they do not) or to elsewhere.

    Net Neutrality is about my connection to the internet and my choices to connect to sites of my liking. Not about what is allowed or not allowed on those sites. I can choose the sites for myself. I don't want my ISP choosing for me.

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  13. Re:Why are social media sites so non-neutral? by gnick · · Score: 2

    It has nothing to do with being neutral on the political spectrum

    Ajit Pai made a specific statement trying to tie them together.

    Pai made a nonsensical statement trying to tie them together to distract from the topic. That doesn't make net neutrality and freedom of speech the same thing. It makes Pai a distributor of bullshit.

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  14. Re:Net Benefit by shilly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nope, he's really not. Trump is a self-confessed sexual predator and has been accused of child abuse.

  15. Re: "Rebublican Chairman" by DickBreath · · Score: 2

    Net Neutrality is what the net HAD for 30 years. Only recently has it become an issue to defend net neutrality.

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  16. Re:"Rebublican Chairman" by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2

    He is republican in the sense that he was appointed by Trump.

    Ummmm ... and before that he was appointed by Obama.

    He was appointed to the FCC in 2012 by Obama, per Mitch McConnell's recommendation. Obama didn't have a choice in the matter. He had to appoint a Republican to fill a vacant Republican seat on the Commission. (That being said, his appointment was confirmed unanimously by the Senate.) His term expired on June 30, 2016.

    Trump appointed Pai to the Chairmanship in January 2017. His appointment was confirmed by the senate in October 2017. This time, the Senate confirmation was far from unanimous: the vote was 52-41, split along party lines. (From 2012 to the present, Democrats learned more about Pai's views on deregulation, and changed their minds about him.)

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  17. Re:"Rebublican Chairman" by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2

    I agree completely except for this:

    (From 2012 to the present, Democrats learned more about Pai's views on deregulation, and changed their minds about him.)

    With Trump's appointments and legislative requests, the Democratic Party members have been voting as a block to oppose and derail essentially everything and everyone.

    IMHO this is just another example of that policy, opposing any Republican appointee to a power position where confirmation was required, rather than anything that was revealed about his views during his tenure as a commissioner. They'd have voted against any Republican appointee to the chairmanship unless he was a Democrat's dream candidate for the position - and perhaps even then.

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